Armor king from tag 2 to 7. It's more of an indirect nerf tho cus t7's system is just not built for my boi. Movement looks great in t8 I'm excited for him to come back and see how he does in t8 system with the sidestep buff and counter hit throws
SFV Ryu's kicks nerfed to oblivion for no fucking reason. The will just go through the opponent and do no damage and the contact point will be at the halfway point of his thigh.
An Important thing not mentioned about Fahkumla - he wasn't just busted, he was LITERALLY broken. As in the character was more bugged than a bethesda game. His forward and backdashes had low crush frames, his hitbox was wonky af making him unexpectedly evasive, his movement was fucking cracked making him a big boi char that could step some shit that some others couldn't. Like he needed to be fixed first and then he got nerfed.
The Sean nerf is unreasonably annoying to me. He's a relatively interesting take on a shoto, for the most part thanks to how his roll and takedown combine with more generic shoto stuff, but instead of making him into as solid of a character as he could be, they make him a "handicap char." I feel like some people on fightcade did end up picking him against me as a sort of self-imposed nerf to make it more even when fighting a newbie, but he could've been an actually interesting character if they just didn't nerf him for no reason. I know he's strong in 2nd Impact but nobody ever plays it, and it never felt quite as good as 3S to play. It is gorgeous though, you can tell they spent the extra memory on making more beautiful stages.
Nobody plays Second Impact because Third Strike is objectively better in nearly every regard except for the stages and some tracks. When it came out, though? Those two years, Sean was the Luke of SF3, op af and half of the playerbase maining him or at least keeping him as a secondary.
@@mappybc6097 Yeah, it's a shame they never made some sort of "ultimate" port with the stages from 2I or NG. 3S is too good to care about the stages, but it's still sad how much worse they are compared to older ones.
Nah. Don't care about Sean. He was never cool in the first place. We have so many shotos that are better than him. Even Dan is cooler than Sean. Dan is a joke character and he embraces it. That is why Dan is so loved by many fans NOT because he is viable in matches. If you want to make Sean unique, make him a basketball fighter. We don't have basketball players in fighting games these days.
@meganinten0078 he had a volleyball, i dont remember if he had real setups with it, but he could. You're thinking "make another character" when the only thing they needed was to tweak the existing one. Dan was also hardly interesting in terms of gameplay until they sauced him up in SFV.
nah pichu is still a good character even after the nerfs. but yeah, the amount of nerfs he got in one patch was insane ESPECIALLY considering how pikachu got little to NO nerfs throughout ultimate's balance patches
It's a good thing that many of the nerfs were reverted and he even got new buffs near the end of the game (like intangibility on his nair) he did not receive his forward tilt back, unfortunately
Yeah, players got better at the MU and the introduction to more powerful, easier DLC overshadowed him. He's still solid, just overhyped at the launch of Ult.
(Looking that the thumbnail) 'Fahkumram' should be a word used by fighting game fans to describe a character who started out very broken but then they nerfed them too much to the point of being unusable.
I remember back when DBFZ had added more assist options, they also decided to nerf SSJ Goku's Crouching Medium since he was a widely used character, mainly for his Beam assist, which was a very powerful tool that only two characters had access to, at the time The change is now reverted, and the character has received several buffs since then, but, at the time, since a good portion of the roster now had access to their own Beam Assist, that was more than enough of a hit to SSJ Goku to keep him in check, so the additional nerfs to the character just felt like overkill MoldyBagel has a great video fully explaining this nerf: th-cam.com/video/TNUc1LKrjIw/w-d-xo.html
I think we as a community need to take something from this. It’s fair to say “the developers need to trust the player” but these are some of the same players who have complaints about something being too strong. We can’t just put it all on the developers when they react to what the community is saying when we want them to listen to us when we complain about something. We should be biting our tongue a bit more if we don’t want constant need hammers.
I agree. Fighting game fans have to realized that balance doesn't exist. All fighting games have had, have and will have characters stronger than others.
Tekken 4 was a hot mess Julia, King, Lei and Yoshimitsu where absolutely gutted and were shells of what they were in Tag 1. Of those characters only King emerged with his playstyle intact. Lei and Yoshi were relegated to being rarely used oddballs while Julia would become strong again but with a totally different set of strong moves. Most of what made her good originally from T3 and Tag 1 had been nuked aside from elbow and mad axes. It completely killed my interest in playing her competively. Jin meanwhile, Best character in Tag 1 got redesigned and was completely busted. There's a reason half the competitive scene at the time skipped T4 and carried on with Tag 1.
Since you mentioned Lidia, she also deserves to be in this list as well... because in Season 5, they nerfed her even as hard as Fahkumram, if not worse. She used to be in contention for top tier when she came out, but Season 5 killed her toolkit, and as a character with such a complex set of moves, it makes learning her even harder. Lidia is played even less than Fahkumram. Another case of stupidly bad nerfs belongs to Roll, she was already the worst in Marvel 1, and they nerfed her hard going in to Marvel 2.
The story of pichu doesn't end there. Many of those nerfs were quietly reversed later on basically back to launch state. However, this didn't matter much because the meta had developed ways to counter pichu at that point, who now sits in mid tier at best. It's another case of the developers getting spooked by online outrage and overreacting, albeit they eventually came to their senses.
Make Leroy number one with the easiest move set on the planet, no problem. Make a character with good and complicated pattern recognition and naa fuck that lets make him bottom 5.
Depending on which set of nerfs you’re talking about, Fahk totally deserved some of them. He was mega mega dumb on release. The most recent set was kinda confusing though I agree.
FFf+2 Dragonov, you can align with kazuya with extra wavedash but if you step running Dragonov he will be probably in need of medical help with twisted ankles
Honestly, the Sentinel nerf was reasonable. It was obvious something about the character needed to change, and whereas people thought what would be targeted at his armor and moves, Capcom just made him less sturdy. This was a good nerf that lowered the power of the character without taking away any of the tools he had. The fact that this was a reasonable nerf and not an overnerf like many on this list is proven by the fact that all controversy of the nerf disappeared within 2 months of it happening, and right now Sentinel is still on nearly every UMvC3 team even at this stage of the game's lifecycle, with some players like Ray Ray even using him as an Xfactor anchor. The Sent nerf is a case of an overreaction to a nerf, not an overreaction to a strong character. It's also not an example of Capcom listening to players and letting them balance the game, because absolutely no one asked for Sentinel' health to be nerfed. Everyone was talking about his armor and range. Capcom went with a nerf thst preserved the character, and that's why still to this day, Sentinel is one of the most used characters in competitive UMvC3.
No it wasn't, especially considering the side of his hurtbox. This is the biggest L take in this comments section. If you think sentinel is on nearly every umvc3 team, then you clearly don't watch umvc3 tournaments. you only listed rayray, who is THE sentinel player. Capcom listened to players who were whining, the same people who thought magneto storm sentinel was the best team in the game because of their mvc2 ptsd
@-8h- Ceo 2023, 40% of top 8 had Sentinel on their team. Team Big Body even has an Evo Championionship under its belt. I understand the nerf still clearly makes you emotional, but unlike every other characrer on this list, Sentinel not only still sees huge amount of play, but also has a EVO victory after the nerfs being discussed. That shows Capcom knew what they were doing.
@leonfrancis3418 I like how your only reference is a tier 2 tournament with a small handful of top umvc3 players. What's even better is how you try to word it as "40%" to make it sound bigger than 2 of the top 8. With those 2, rayray and KBR being consistent top players. 3 sentinels in top 16 at ceo 2023, in comparison to evo 2023, which only had 4 sentinels in the top 64, 1 in the top 16 (being KBR, of course) with rayray being 17th. There was also a year where chun li won, and another where ghost rider and Arthur came 2nd, winning 1 evo says more about the player than the character. In a game where the devs thought that Virgil, Dr doom, morrigan, and Phoenix were ok the way they are, and hsein ko, ghost rider, and nemesis were ok the way they are, I think it's safe to say that they really didn't know what they were doing with the sentinel health nerf. Top players have said on commentary mic that a health buff still wouldn't make him good. He's called whackbot for a reason. Also, if you're gonna try and convince people of anything, saying that they're emotional just because you don't like what they said and you want to try and dismiss it as wrong never helps your argument, it just makes you look emotional.
@@-8h- It was 3 of 8. That's 38% or rounded up to 40. So you're also poor with numbers. You were absolutely emotional. You came in name-calling and talking about Ls and whatever memey gibberish. It's only after you couldn't spaz at what I had to say anymore that now I get an actual human response from you, and even then you ignore the facts. Sentinel sees huge amounts of play and is on an evo winning team post nerf. He is the only character on this list where that is the case. Because he doesn't belong. As I said, an overreaction to a nerf.
The biggest problem with Pichu is not only the nerfs, but the new meta In the early meta, aggressive characters were more prominent, so Pichu didn't worry too much about approaching. And his f-tilt being broken made camping risky (which has been heavily nerfed). But now, a lot of meta characters were really good at camping, good disjoints, or really good at stuffing approaches. Pichu is forced to play patient with aggressive tools, while surprisingly technical and unforgiving Before the nerfs, Pichu was already starting to fall off cause it was progressively harder to play him. Void the top Pichu player was already planning to drop them before the nerfs, but the nerfs sealed the deal. Even the major buffs they give him later weren't enough, cause Pichu still gets camped hard
As a Fahkumrahm user, it was sad just how bad he got nerfed. He was definitely overpowered when he initially dropped, but so was every new DLC character in Tekken 7. Unlike Leroy, however, he was left a withered husk of his former self. I highly doubt he'll get a revival in the future.
'Fahkumram' should be a word used by fighting game fans to describe a character who started out very broken but then they nerfed them too much to the point of being unusable.
I think Buffs over Nerfs is the best approach. Many can feel a character is busted but only minor nerfs should be done to actually broken 7-3 characters. Buffing the lower tiers to the S Tiers gives them tools to deal with the Top 3 characters. It gives more tools, more tech, more things to discover and doesn't take away strategy's or gameplans from characters. Nerfs make the game more stale, annoy most players who actually use the nerfed characters that put in hundreds of hours of grinding into their character to just have to relearn or pickup a new character. Buffs accomplish the same thing nerfs can bur without the anger, salt and feeling of betrayal
Little Mac nerf in smash 4 should be on this list. The smash community cried about how broken his character was pre-release without learning how to fight against him, that nintendo prematurely Nerfed him to bottom tier early
If we're talking about Smash characters being nerfed, I'd say Kirby got it worse. Kirby was a god in Smash 64, but got nerfed into the Earth's mantle in Melee. Kirby's a bottom 5 character in Melee, and has been mediocre, at best, in every game since then. Speaking as a Tekken player, I'd argue Lidia's nerfs were more controversial than Fahk's. Lidia did need some nerfs, but she wasn't even the best female character in the game on release, nor was she in the same solar system as pre-patch Fahk or goddamn Leroy. Lidia was gutted in her very first patch, basically, getting done to her what took multiple patches to happen to Fahk, and never, truly, got done to Leroy.
Still blows my mind that nintendo made Pichu's hurtbox bigger than Pikachu's. Also the nerf that needed to happen but didn't is Lab coat 21's debuff is still permanent. The most absurd thing i've ever heard in a fighting game of all time
Fahkumram my boi, I stopped playing Tekken after 2021 pandemic clearing out, and with that I stopped playing Tekken too. I enjoyed playing him and still felt good after 2020, but after one of season 6 patches I think I couldnt find any energy to come back to Tekken. And I still dont have for Tekken 8 I think. Because I have a feeling that Dagunov gonna get nerfed the moment I pick him up....
Potemkin nerfs in strive were always a mystery to me dude was good early on in the beta and people cried bloody murder before even knowing the matchup and they neutered the poor guy megafist itself has been hit like 5 times for no reason since.
In the case of fukurmom, he has some hitbox issues, the character is just too big. Having him balanced right, just makes the hitbox issue too relevant, unfortunately the character is doomed, at least in T7. If they were to bring him back in 8, maybe some solutions could be evaluated to fix the hitbox first. I personally don't think he is coming back, but who knows.
Fahkumram shouldn't have ever been made imo, most boring character in the entire Tekken series and being a second replacement for Bruce on top of Josie already being there was dumb
I used Fahkumram on account of Bruce not being in the game. Was he OP on drop? Yes! But the nerfs in S3 and S4 were just needless. He was made invalid and unplayable against anyone who had even a small bit of knowledge about Tekken.
Marvel vs Capcom 3 has never even been in the discussion of best fighting game of its year, let alone ever made. Not sure what you're talking about there.
You forgot to mention Android 21 Lab Coat when he got hit with the nerf hammer. Reducing her damage output. My suggestion to the devs is make a high tier characters strong but very difficult to use and master and the easy characters at least mid tier or low tier but usable in FGC tournaments. It's impossible to completely balance fighting games when the final buffs and nerfs are implemented.
Cyrax in mk1 wasn't broken to me and the change to him wasn't killer esp compared to how much they butchered so many characters throughout literally every nrs game since mk9. Injustice 1 scorpion i think was the most egregious though with him being undisputedly the best character in the game on release to the worst character in the game in one patch and they never buffed him after that
Mk1 is on this list and you didn't pick sub zero a character who got 12 nerfs in early access the week before the game launched so players never even got to make any informed decisions to how strong he actually was.
What character nerf in any fighting game did you hate the most?
Armor king from tag 2 to 7. It's more of an indirect nerf tho cus t7's system is just not built for my boi. Movement looks great in t8 I'm excited for him to come back and see how he does in t8 system with the sidestep buff and counter hit throws
SFV Ryu's kicks nerfed to oblivion for no fucking reason. The will just go through the opponent and do no damage and the contact point will be at the halfway point of his thigh.
Fahkuram in Tekken 7 got me heated.
Johnny cage losing his plus frames in mk11 was an insane balance decision imo, bro I'm still hurt.
Tanya MKX. Kobu Jitsu variation was eventually nerf destroyed in the near final version of the game.
An Important thing not mentioned about Fahkumla - he wasn't just busted, he was LITERALLY broken. As in the character was more bugged than a bethesda game. His forward and backdashes had low crush frames, his hitbox was wonky af making him unexpectedly evasive, his movement was fucking cracked making him a big boi char that could step some shit that some others couldn't. Like he needed to be fixed first and then he got nerfed.
Injustice 1 Scorpion nerf was pretty crazy
MKX tarkatan Alien as well lol
The Sean nerf is unreasonably annoying to me. He's a relatively interesting take on a shoto, for the most part thanks to how his roll and takedown combine with more generic shoto stuff, but instead of making him into as solid of a character as he could be, they make him a "handicap char."
I feel like some people on fightcade did end up picking him against me as a sort of self-imposed nerf to make it more even when fighting a newbie, but he could've been an actually interesting character if they just didn't nerf him for no reason.
I know he's strong in 2nd Impact but nobody ever plays it, and it never felt quite as good as 3S to play. It is gorgeous though, you can tell they spent the extra memory on making more beautiful stages.
Nobody plays Second Impact because Third Strike is objectively better in nearly every regard except for the stages and some tracks.
When it came out, though? Those two years, Sean was the Luke of SF3, op af and half of the playerbase maining him or at least keeping him as a secondary.
@@mappybc6097 Yeah, it's a shame they never made some sort of "ultimate" port with the stages from 2I or NG. 3S is too good to care about the stages, but it's still sad how much worse they are compared to older ones.
Nah. Don't care about Sean.
He was never cool in the first place.
We have so many shotos that are better than him.
Even Dan is cooler than Sean.
Dan is a joke character and he embraces it.
That is why Dan is so loved by many fans NOT because he is viable in matches.
If you want to make Sean unique, make him a basketball fighter.
We don't have basketball players in fighting games these days.
@meganinten0078 he had a volleyball, i dont remember if he had real setups with it, but he could. You're thinking "make another character" when the only thing they needed was to tweak the existing one. Dan was also hardly interesting in terms of gameplay until they sauced him up in SFV.
nah pichu is still a good character even after the nerfs. but yeah, the amount of nerfs he got in one patch was insane ESPECIALLY considering how pikachu got little to NO nerfs throughout ultimate's balance patches
It's a good thing that many of the nerfs were reverted and he even got new buffs near the end of the game (like intangibility on his nair) he did not receive his forward tilt back, unfortunately
@@tastyfalcon1788f.tilt was the most fun part =(
Yeah, players got better at the MU and the introduction to more powerful, easier DLC overshadowed him.
He's still solid, just overhyped at the launch of Ult.
(Looking that the thumbnail)
'Fahkumram' should be a word used by fighting game fans to describe a character who started out very broken but then they nerfed them too much to the point of being unusable.
I remember back when DBFZ had added more assist options, they also decided to nerf SSJ Goku's Crouching Medium since he was a widely used character, mainly for his Beam assist, which was a very powerful tool that only two characters had access to, at the time
The change is now reverted, and the character has received several buffs since then, but, at the time, since a good portion of the roster now had access to their own Beam Assist, that was more than enough of a hit to SSJ Goku to keep him in check, so the additional nerfs to the character just felt like overkill
MoldyBagel has a great video fully explaining this nerf: th-cam.com/video/TNUc1LKrjIw/w-d-xo.html
I think we as a community need to take something from this. It’s fair to say “the developers need to trust the player” but these are some of the same players who have complaints about something being too strong. We can’t just put it all on the developers when they react to what the community is saying when we want them to listen to us when we complain about something. We should be biting our tongue a bit more if we don’t want constant need hammers.
I agree.
Fighting game fans have to realized that balance doesn't exist.
All fighting games have had, have and will have characters stronger than others.
Tekken 4 was a hot mess Julia, King, Lei and Yoshimitsu where absolutely gutted and were shells of what they were in Tag 1.
Of those characters only King emerged with his playstyle intact. Lei and Yoshi were relegated to being rarely used oddballs while Julia would become strong again but with a totally different set of strong moves. Most of what made her good originally from T3 and Tag 1 had been nuked aside from elbow and mad axes. It completely killed my interest in playing her competively.
Jin meanwhile, Best character in Tag 1 got redesigned and was completely busted. There's a reason half the competitive scene at the time skipped T4 and carried on with Tag 1.
Whooping people with Fahk now is great. 3+4 being -11 is fuckin garbage design though.
Since you mentioned Lidia, she also deserves to be in this list as well... because in Season 5, they nerfed her even as hard as Fahkumram, if not worse. She used to be in contention for top tier when she came out, but Season 5 killed her toolkit, and as a character with such a complex set of moves, it makes learning her even harder. Lidia is played even less than Fahkumram.
Another case of stupidly bad nerfs belongs to Roll, she was already the worst in Marvel 1, and they nerfed her hard going in to Marvel 2.
I think they got scared of the "Leroy effect". At least that's what I'm calling it. They got scared of the new character being hated for being to good
The story of pichu doesn't end there. Many of those nerfs were quietly reversed later on basically back to launch state. However, this didn't matter much because the meta had developed ways to counter pichu at that point, who now sits in mid tier at best. It's another case of the developers getting spooked by online outrage and overreacting, albeit they eventually came to their senses.
The worst thing that ever happened to Sean was that he wasnt a launch character in SF6
Fahkumram got hit WAY too hard.
Make Leroy number one with the easiest move set on the planet, no problem. Make a character with good and complicated pattern recognition and naa fuck that lets make him bottom 5.
Depending on which set of nerfs you’re talking about, Fahk totally deserved some of them. He was mega mega dumb on release. The most recent set was kinda confusing though I agree.
@@BigLeafyTree hmmm which ones might i be referring to...MAYBE THE ONES THAT MADE HIM BOTTOM 5 LMAO
He looks so unbelievably stupid that I’m actually glad he’s not good anymore.
Excellent.
FFf+2 Dragonov, you can align with kazuya with extra wavedash but if you step running Dragonov he will be probably in need of medical help with twisted ankles
Honestly, the Sentinel nerf was reasonable.
It was obvious something about the character needed to change, and whereas people thought what would be targeted at his armor and moves, Capcom just made him less sturdy.
This was a good nerf that lowered the power of the character without taking away any of the tools he had.
The fact that this was a reasonable nerf and not an overnerf like many on this list is proven by the fact that all controversy of the nerf disappeared within 2 months of it happening, and right now Sentinel is still on nearly every UMvC3 team even at this stage of the game's lifecycle, with some players like Ray Ray even using him as an Xfactor anchor.
The Sent nerf is a case of an overreaction to a nerf, not an overreaction to a strong character.
It's also not an example of Capcom listening to players and letting them balance the game, because absolutely no one asked for Sentinel' health to be nerfed.
Everyone was talking about his armor and range.
Capcom went with a nerf thst preserved the character, and that's why still to this day, Sentinel is one of the most used characters in competitive UMvC3.
No it wasn't, especially considering the side of his hurtbox. This is the biggest L take in this comments section.
If you think sentinel is on nearly every umvc3 team, then you clearly don't watch umvc3 tournaments. you only listed rayray, who is THE sentinel player.
Capcom listened to players who were whining, the same people who thought magneto storm sentinel was the best team in the game because of their mvc2 ptsd
@-8h- Ceo 2023, 40% of top 8 had Sentinel on their team.
Team Big Body even has an Evo Championionship under its belt.
I understand the nerf still clearly makes you emotional, but unlike every other characrer on this list, Sentinel not only still sees huge amount of play, but also has a EVO victory after the nerfs being discussed.
That shows Capcom knew what they were doing.
@leonfrancis3418 I like how your only reference is a tier 2 tournament with a small handful of top umvc3 players. What's even better is how you try to word it as "40%" to make it sound bigger than 2 of the top 8. With those 2, rayray and KBR being consistent top players.
3 sentinels in top 16 at ceo 2023, in comparison to evo 2023, which only had 4 sentinels in the top 64, 1 in the top 16 (being KBR, of course) with rayray being 17th.
There was also a year where chun li won, and another where ghost rider and Arthur came 2nd, winning 1 evo says more about the player than the character.
In a game where the devs thought that Virgil, Dr doom, morrigan, and Phoenix were ok the way they are, and hsein ko, ghost rider, and nemesis were ok the way they are, I think it's safe to say that they really didn't know what they were doing with the sentinel health nerf. Top players have said on commentary mic that a health buff still wouldn't make him good. He's called whackbot for a reason.
Also, if you're gonna try and convince people of anything, saying that they're emotional just because you don't like what they said and you want to try and dismiss it as wrong never helps your argument, it just makes you look emotional.
@@-8h- It was 3 of 8. That's 38% or rounded up to 40.
So you're also poor with numbers.
You were absolutely emotional. You came in name-calling and talking about Ls and whatever memey gibberish.
It's only after you couldn't spaz at what I had to say anymore that now I get an actual human response from you, and even then you ignore the facts.
Sentinel sees huge amounts of play and is on an evo winning team post nerf.
He is the only character on this list where that is the case.
Because he doesn't belong.
As I said, an overreaction to a nerf.
Sent nerf was a good call for this list, I'd put the She-Hulk nerf on here too though
From my understanding Noel Vermillion was nerfed so hard from one BlazBlue to another that they even nerfed her drip.
The biggest problem with Pichu is not only the nerfs, but the new meta
In the early meta, aggressive characters were more prominent, so Pichu didn't worry too much about approaching. And his f-tilt being broken made camping risky (which has been heavily nerfed). But now, a lot of meta characters were really good at camping, good disjoints, or really good at stuffing approaches. Pichu is forced to play patient with aggressive tools, while surprisingly technical and unforgiving
Before the nerfs, Pichu was already starting to fall off cause it was progressively harder to play him. Void the top Pichu player was already planning to drop them before the nerfs, but the nerfs sealed the deal. Even the major buffs they give him later weren't enough, cause Pichu still gets camped hard
I'm surprised Urien didn't get mentioned in this.
Good video.
As a Fahkumrahm user, it was sad just how bad he got nerfed. He was definitely overpowered when he initially dropped, but so was every new DLC character in Tekken 7. Unlike Leroy, however, he was left a withered husk of his former self. I highly doubt he'll get a revival in the future.
I was heated with Fahkurahm getting nerfed. That basically made me not want to play Tekken anymore.
'Fahkumram' should be a word used by fighting game fans to describe a character who started out very broken but then they nerfed them too much to the point of being unusable.
I think Buffs over Nerfs is the best approach. Many can feel a character is busted but only minor nerfs should be done to actually broken 7-3 characters.
Buffing the lower tiers to the S Tiers gives them tools to deal with the Top 3 characters. It gives more tools, more tech, more things to discover and doesn't take away strategy's or gameplans from characters.
Nerfs make the game more stale, annoy most players who actually use the nerfed characters that put in hundreds of hours of grinding into their character to just have to relearn or pickup a new character.
Buffs accomplish the same thing nerfs can bur without the anger, salt and feeling of betrayal
Someone needs to buff the focus on the webcam.
Little Mac nerf in smash 4 should be on this list. The smash community cried about how broken his character was pre-release without learning how to fight against him, that nintendo prematurely Nerfed him to bottom tier early
If we're talking about Smash characters being nerfed, I'd say Kirby got it worse. Kirby was a god in Smash 64, but got nerfed into the Earth's mantle in Melee. Kirby's a bottom 5 character in Melee, and has been mediocre, at best, in every game since then.
Speaking as a Tekken player, I'd argue Lidia's nerfs were more controversial than Fahk's. Lidia did need some nerfs, but she wasn't even the best female character in the game on release, nor was she in the same solar system as pre-patch Fahk or goddamn Leroy. Lidia was gutted in her very first patch, basically, getting done to her what took multiple patches to happen to Fahk, and never, truly, got done to Leroy.
Still blows my mind that nintendo made Pichu's hurtbox bigger than Pikachu's. Also the nerf that needed to happen but didn't is Lab coat 21's debuff is still permanent. The most absurd thing i've ever heard in a fighting game of all time
Sentinel with Wesker's move set 😂
I was like who’s move is that at first 😭
Fahkumram my boi, I stopped playing Tekken after 2021 pandemic clearing out, and with that I stopped playing Tekken too. I enjoyed playing him and still felt good after 2020, but after one of season 6 patches I think I couldnt find any energy to come back to Tekken. And I still dont have for Tekken 8 I think.
Because I have a feeling that Dagunov gonna get nerfed the moment I pick him up....
Potemkin nerfs in strive were always a mystery to me dude was good early on in the beta and people cried bloody murder before even knowing the matchup and they neutered the poor guy megafist itself has been hit like 5 times for no reason since.
Before watching this i know my boy aquaman has to make the list
Just something I notice, your mic picks up metallic echo, not too distracting but might be something to look at.
Mk1 Sub zero should be in this vid...
In the case of fukurmom, he has some hitbox issues, the character is just too big. Having him balanced right, just makes the hitbox issue too relevant, unfortunately the character is doomed, at least in T7. If they were to bring him back in 8, maybe some solutions could be evaluated to fix the hitbox first. I personally don't think he is coming back, but who knows.
Tira, back in Soul Calibur V comes to mind...
My feelings for the Street Fighter franchise haven’t been the same since the Sean nerf.
Whats with the tin can echo in the mic audio...
Fahkumram shouldn't have ever been made imo, most boring character in the entire Tekken series and being a second replacement for Bruce on top of Josie already being there was dumb
Sean Matsuda should have been more like a Male Sakura, a Boy who Idolized Ken, not Brazillian Dan.
How about a Flip side as a suggestion for the next video: Most Controversial Buffs in Fighting Games?
9:10 excuse me did I just see Sentinels model over Weksers moveset 😂
they butchered poor Lidia. Top 5 to Bottom 5 with a single patch
Patch culture is cringe
Fahkumram's 3+4 and db4 nerfs were big BS
Fakh went from top 5 to bottom 5. Fakh'd hard😂
All pig in dbd gets is nerfs and no one even uses her
2 words …..Leroy Smith😖
The most worst nerf was goku ui on dbfz
Southampton catching strays, you love to see it
"UMVC3 is one of the best if not THE VERY BEST fighting game in existance"
What....
Add Kimberly from SF6 please
I used Fahkumram on account of Bruce not being in the game. Was he OP on drop? Yes! But the nerfs in S3 and S4 were just needless. He was made invalid and unplayable against anyone who had even a small bit of knowledge about Tekken.
Marvel vs Capcom 3 has never even been in the discussion of best fighting game of its year, let alone ever made.
Not sure what you're talking about there.
You forgot to mention Android 21 Lab Coat when he got hit with the nerf hammer. Reducing her damage output.
My suggestion to the devs is make a high tier characters strong but very difficult to use and master and the easy characters at least mid tier or low tier but usable in FGC tournaments. It's impossible to completely balance fighting games when the final buffs and nerfs are implemented.
Lies lab coat 21 still best character in the game in dbfz btw the last dbfz patch her buffs was op
Buffs!! Next
Cyrax in mk1 wasn't broken to me and the change to him wasn't killer esp compared to how much they butchered so many characters throughout literally every nrs game since mk9. Injustice 1 scorpion i think was the most egregious though with him being undisputedly the best character in the game on release to the worst character in the game in one patch and they never buffed him after that
Sheeva in MK11. From absurdly busted at launch to the worst character in the game. NRS doesn't know how to balance a fighting game.
Mk1 is on this list and you didn't pick sub zero a character who got 12 nerfs in early access the week before the game launched so players never even got to make any informed decisions to how strong he actually was.
Most of these nerfs were warranted… especially Fahkuram and Cyrax