If you're still curious, the reason the 0 ATK Yamcha still does damage is because damage rolls in a small range. Damage is calculated by taking (ATK * Type Multipliers or Crit * Damage Reduction) - DEF, rounding up to 0 if the answer is negative, and then adding the result of a dice roll between I believe 1 and 255 to determine the final damage done. If the final number in the math ends up being 0, all you get is the dice roll. That's the same reason why you take more than 0 damage if using EZA AGL Golden Frieza with a Whis active, or a million defense against LGE. It's functionally zero, but the odds of it landing on 0 are very low unless you have a nullification effect that sets it to specifically zero
You're wrong, Yamcha does the MOST damage and has the MOST defense in the game, he can tank a 5 year old krillin easily and only takes double digits with 0% DR. Never diss on Yamgoat
9. Performs an additional attack that has a medium chance to become a super attack 🎉🎉🎉 10. Seal own Super Attack when HP is below 40% (Golden Metal Cooler)
Still remember how ass phy beerus was in order to see his true power you had to put him in slot one so he could get hit but he couldn't take a hit worth shit
@@lightyoshiman yep units like him are so annoying, put him in slot 1 bargaining the boss doesn't super immediately gets supered immediately and dies. Then you put him in slot 2 to not bargain anymore when you see the boss attacking 7 million times in the front and 3 times in slot 2 then the boss says watch this and supers immediately on the first of the 3 attacks and kills you.
Bro the 1st one is even WORSE than str ui, how did the devs even make that bro😭. Also str ui is a fraud the 70% dodge is fake, my Teq ui dodged 6 attacks in a row PRE-TRANSFORMED
Str ui doesn’t have a great chance, it has to be high after being eza’d because I’ve died with him not dodging once so many times. I legit don’t use him anymore
1:02 i don’t remember what vid it was (or the exact wording used in it) but i saw a yt short that was talking about how the japanese Dragon Ball community doesn’t like Z Broly and sees him as a joke, and honestly i can get behind that.
Luckily, a lot of these weaknesses are beginning to fade away. Ie: newer units/ezas are much more reliable with their guard/def And also bringing more debuffable opponents And after int angel frieza eza, I don’t think the Allie debuffing ever returned 🤔 Truly, The only one I doubt they’ll “fully” fix, is teq ssj3 Brody’s seza
@@legendaryred24at the time ss3 Broly was pretty strong though, I remember when his eza dropped and he did a lot of damage for the time. So much that a certain community created the "ss3 Broly Golden rule" which is: you don't need defense if you destroy them first
@@giulianopisciottano8302 Hopefully the SEZA is the same, I remember his EZA on release but it was fairly controversial because they really did not fix much of his original issues just made the debuff a bit less.
Str goten and trunks gotta be one of the worse side TURs of all time. Its frustrating too, since they were meant to help Mageta fulfill the conditions for his intro skill.
For INT Majin Vegeta, you also have to keep in mind that the HP you lose on his active skill can be easily healed, while you have to wait for the end of the turn with Heart Virus Goku
I understand what str Goten and Trunks we're meant to do because they were definitely designed to be ran alongside int majin Vegeta and so they would take damage from the first slot to get you below the hp threshold of majin Vegeta so he isn't mid when he released but if the boss attacks twice then it's lights out
Watching these kind of Dokkan videos made me realize just how little I used to read some card's abilities. For example, I had Goten and Trunks for years not even knowing that they needed to receive an attack to dodge, or also that the EZA of LR Rose was so bad because he needed to finish off an opponent to gain the buffs.
@@mm39607 it honestly is crazy how some abilities we just missed bc we don’t read every card you know. Some unit I didn’t know had certain abilities until re reading
@@legendaryred24 for real! And there are TONS of examples like those, in which literally the gameplay would be so different if we were more used to read every single card sescription.
I think the reason agl yamcha can still do damage is because whenever a character *can't* do dmg (for example AGL Jiren's 100% DR in standby) it just gives you a random double/triple digit number under 200
They should like add a guard icon that shows when guard is active or not, I dont like putting all my hopes and dreams on a unit and they dont guard (I have trust issues now 😭)
I feel like the reducing own def only works in the era where bosses only attack every other turn, so there are safe spots, but in this era its just braindead
There is one even worse, a high chance to dodge the enemy's attack (including super at) as a 1st attacker, the character won't dodge until the character attack first
I honestly never knew why people loved super trunks for so long. He was so bad that he could barely keep up with the content that was already out at the time, and the fact that the guard was still a gamble made him worse. if he had a 50% to proc guard but with 3 other android/cell saga allies its be guaranteed he'd be a lot better. I will say if you did get super trunks out oooooh boy was he a monster. Now buff trunks attack stat is a normal Monday for basic Turs
SSJ3 Teq Broly gets his Super Eza and becomes top 5 best units in the game competing with LR Beast, Agl Ui Goku and Int Vegeta and Broly & Cheelai & Lemo for the GOAT spot *Absolute Cinema*
Definitely could be absolute Cinema, but honestly depends on how they pull it off. Broly could also just suck because he would have to be hitting like 150 mil in order to kill bosses before they kill him
One of the abilities that you missed is for scouter/foresee super attack, Agl Ginyu (Goku) got a high chance instead of 100% and its kinda dookie since you don't know if that proc or not
So sad int golden frieza still had the debuff in his eza, back when he released he was so strong that debuffing your Allies are worth it since frieza made up for it with his power But eza frieza is just okay and then the debuff makes him pretty bad
I honestly believe that if dokkan made it so that current and future bosses can be debuffed at most maybe have a really small chance to be sealed or stunned it could really benefit the characters that need debuffs on enemies to be good like seriously what is a lowering attack and or defense gonna do if the current bosses can one shot you?
@@manuelzelaya8973 You would be surprised tbh. The new Cell Max fight is a good example of this as people are able to cheese the boss so much with debuffs that people started bringing teams that had multiple units that were not under a leader skill on the team and survived till the end
Number 9. Characters not transforming when they’re supposed to I just did a magnificent battle with 2 Broly’s and neither of them transformed by turn 8, wtf was I doing wrong?
@@Basedbrawler Called this awful transformation condition where they can only transform 5 turns from THEIR first turn (so can be turn 1, 2 or 3) and if a domain is active he can’t transform either
@@legendaryred24 thats the video with dfe. But this one is different from others, it will features every oldest units that still haven't got their recent ones
Trunks was such a disappointment, I love Trunks but that high chance to guard shit is so dumb, it would be more tolerable if they made an icon to signify you are guarding before you see damage, just like I think a dodge % counter icon would be great as well. Broly just.....lol losing defense per orb somebody just hates Broly idc that he's an old unit I can't think of any other unit that loses def per orb.
@@legendaryred24 I think all the devs in 2023 were smoking some weed, that or somebody fucking despises Trunks because yea 3 characters on a MEH team for the 2023 meta just to have coinflip odds to guard? He was actually pretty good in his transformation state but the odds of getting there just don't exist anymore lol
I’m back with another idea: all lr ezas in order and how good they were when they released + details
Also (another idea)
“The worst ezas in dokkans history”
Ie: int tur rose, str jiren, lr ssj2 youth gohan, teq ssj3 broly
Etc etc
@@geru1583 Seems like a lot 🤔,but something to consider for sure
@@nachozacho1407 this one I have been planning to do for a good minute so very likely we could see this one fairly soon
@@nachozacho1407I can’t stand base transformation goku black was terrible absolutely terrible
This was literally done by Platy on Twitter a few days ago…
Never got why Broly was built like this, in every single movie he's in, dude can take a lot of hits, yet in dokkan, bloody Glass cannon
Fr Broly is always the tank but in dokkan bud can’t even take a normal from April Fools Yamcha
old dokkan devs were scared of making a broly with defense for some reason just look at TUR STR Broly
One day it happen... only defensive Z Broly we have is the INT one
@@legendaryred24 It happened suddenly
If you're still curious, the reason the 0 ATK Yamcha still does damage is because damage rolls in a small range. Damage is calculated by taking (ATK * Type Multipliers or Crit * Damage Reduction) - DEF, rounding up to 0 if the answer is negative, and then adding the result of a dice roll between I believe 1 and 255 to determine the final damage done. If the final number in the math ends up being 0, all you get is the dice roll. That's the same reason why you take more than 0 damage if using EZA AGL Golden Frieza with a Whis active, or a million defense against LGE. It's functionally zero, but the odds of it landing on 0 are very low unless you have a nullification effect that sets it to specifically zero
Interesting 🤔
You're wrong, Yamcha does the MOST damage and has the MOST defense in the game, he can tank a 5 year old krillin easily and only takes double digits with 0% DR. Never diss on Yamgoat
@@FronBlaack 😭
Actually when a stat is too high for the game to calculate it, it becomes 0, Yamcha is just too strong for the game to handle and to comprehend
Wasn’t that unit a part of an April fools day event?
@@DefensiveQueen yes
@@stoneoceanfan7371 he knows what hes talking about
9. Performs an additional attack that has a medium chance to become a super attack 🎉🎉🎉
10. Seal own Super Attack when HP is below 40% (Golden Metal Cooler)
I mean 9 is not that bad but it's toxic and we all know it can be great or at least high chance 😢
@@XayLies 😭, yeah I could also put seals own super attack in general and include LR Yamcha
@@XayLies so toxic lol
@@legendaryred24 oh right that incel too
@@XayLies 😭
Honorable mention: Gaining dodge against enemies who are stunned or sa sealed
@@ultrite2696 that’s an ability 💀, who has that 😭
@@legendaryred24 lr gt cell and frieza
@@ultrite2696and to make it worse it’s NOT EVEN GUARANTEE 💀💀
That is insane...
@@ultrite2696ah, the LR fortnite duo. Lmao.
Still remember how ass phy beerus was in order to see his true power you had to put him in slot one so he could get hit but he couldn't take a hit worth shit
@@lightyoshiman Yeah we will definitely look at the worst designed units in a future video lol
@@lightyoshiman yep units like him are so annoying, put him in slot 1 bargaining the boss doesn't super immediately gets supered immediately and dies. Then you put him in slot 2 to not bargain anymore when you see the boss attacking 7 million times in the front and 3 times in slot 2 then the boss says watch this and supers immediately on the first of the 3 attacks and kills you.
So basically str super Vegeta
Bro the 1st one is even WORSE than str ui, how did the devs even make that bro😭. Also str ui is a fraud the 70% dodge is fake, my Teq ui dodged 6 attacks in a row PRE-TRANSFORMED
@@NotFidy fr lol, STR UI’s kit is actually lol. But yeah… idk what the devs were cooking lol
@@legendaryred24 I’m gonna be hating on str ui until his goddamn super eza… just you wait and see…..
@@NotFidy 😂
Str ui doesn’t have a great chance, it has to be high after being eza’d because I’ve died with him not dodging once so many times. I legit don’t use him anymore
all my homies hate str ui omen out here
Chance of guard amazing ideaaa devss in fact having change to take only 500k instead of 1million is great
So much pain
Nice dbz MOE upgrade
Appreciate it 😤
Keep on the grind
@@HkGaming2010 will do🫡
1:02 i don’t remember what vid it was (or the exact wording used in it) but i saw a yt short that was talking about how the japanese Dragon Ball community doesn’t like Z Broly and sees him as a joke, and honestly i can get behind that.
Kind of crazy that the JP Community doesn’t like Z Broly but to be fair the whole reason why he is driven is bc Goku cried when he wanted to sleep lol
@@legendaryred24 i could be misremembering the video (which is entirely possible since i have spotty memory)
@@legendaryred24 i also wouldn't say not liking Z Broly is too far fetched, but thats probably my personal hatred of Z Broly speaking for me
@@josephthomasjr14 that’s fair
Luckily, a lot of these weaknesses are beginning to fade away.
Ie: newer units/ezas are much more reliable with their guard/def
And also bringing more debuffable opponents
And after int angel frieza eza, I don’t think the Allie debuffing ever returned 🤔
Truly, The only one I doubt they’ll “fully” fix, is teq ssj3 Brody’s seza
@@nachozacho1407 For sure, these were definitely early game weaknesses
@@legendaryred24at the time ss3 Broly was pretty strong though, I remember when his eza dropped and he did a lot of damage for the time. So much that a certain community created the "ss3 Broly Golden rule" which is: you don't need defense if you destroy them first
@@giulianopisciottano8302 That is definitely the rule he had to abide by because if he got hit it was GG.
@@legendaryred24 that's the thing, he did enough damage to destroy them, dude was a beast, no need for tanking in those days
@@giulianopisciottano8302 Hopefully the SEZA is the same, I remember his EZA on release but it was fairly controversial because they really did not fix much of his original issues just made the debuff a bit less.
Str goten and trunks gotta be one of the worse side TURs of all time. Its frustrating too, since they were meant to help Mageta fulfill the conditions for his intro skill.
@@isaacwright6522 exactly, literally did not help MV at all
I dunno what's more egregious. The fact Dokkan keeps making Z Broly units not tanky. Or Trunks and Goten needing to be in slot one so they can ddoge
Both are pretty awful lol
@@sharifrowe7812 We all know Z Broly was running that full dodge build in the movie to hide his 0 defence
For INT Majin Vegeta, you also have to keep in mind that the HP you lose on his active skill can be easily healed, while you have to wait for the end of the turn with Heart Virus Goku
Which is nice for Goku but 18% with MV is crazy 😭
I understand what str Goten and Trunks we're meant to do because they were definitely designed to be ran alongside int majin Vegeta and so they would take damage from the first slot to get you below the hp threshold of majin Vegeta so he isn't mid when he released but if the boss attacks twice then it's lights out
Yeah...
Watching these kind of Dokkan videos made me realize just how little I used to read some card's abilities. For example, I had Goten and Trunks for years not even knowing that they needed to receive an attack to dodge, or also that the EZA of LR Rose was so bad because he needed to finish off an opponent to gain the buffs.
@@mm39607 it honestly is crazy how some abilities we just missed bc we don’t read every card you know. Some unit I didn’t know had certain abilities until re reading
@@legendaryred24 for real! And there are TONS of examples like those, in which literally the gameplay would be so different if we were more used to read every single card sescription.
@@mm39607 exactly
Dude i cant wait for Brolys Ssj3 super eza
@@bat-erd842 negative 30% DEF per orb😭
I have an idea for an LR: You get 100% damage reduction after getting hit by a super in slot 1. One of the abilities of all time
Make sure they have 0 defense and 0 defensive abilities before hand so it really is the ability of all time
@@doomiseternal201 such a gamble lol that would be so fun
@@WolfHaley456 lol
I think the reason agl yamcha can still do damage is because whenever a character *can't* do dmg (for example AGL Jiren's 100% DR in standby) it just gives you a random double/triple digit number under 200
@@Aegis824 yeah that would make sense
I feel that Yamaha having 0 atk and still doing damage is the same case as a new born trying to hit you. It’s not gonna hurt but you’ll still feel it
lol fair
Curious, have you ever done a video for poorly designed Side Banner units?
I have not though I would most likely do a video over the worst designed units in the game.
Video would be like an hour long
They should like add a guard icon that shows when guard is active or not, I dont like putting all my hopes and dreams on a unit and they dont guard (I have trust issues now 😭)
@@denisangelohernandez5334 fr😭
They made an icon to show when dr is active, they could do the same for guard
@@isaacwright6522 fr
I feel like the reducing own def only works in the era where bosses only attack every other turn, so there are safe spots, but in this era its just braindead
Yeah… idk how they save SSJ3 Broly now unless he has a scouter and hits for 200 mil
nice vid 👍 congratulations on reaching 6k sub btw 🎉🎉🎉
Appreciate it😤
3:36 Enjoying Fused Zamasu one shotting Yamcha
@@jigoku7501 😭
Was wondering about an idea of the nest unit of every year, not to include the anniversary ones, what they did and why they were the top pick.
Interesting topic for sure 🤔
There is one even worse, a high chance to dodge the enemy's attack (including super at) as a 1st attacker, the character won't dodge until the character attack first
That's what Goten and Trunks do
@@legendaryred24 LR hit and goku too
@@FiRsTofALL0132 Fr... they have that too
Losing your guard before you can transform
I know that everyone already know lol
Teq Jiren is fine but the real problem with him is the 5 hits he needs to take and not the debuffs
Yeah...
I honestly never knew why people loved super trunks for so long. He was so bad that he could barely keep up with the content that was already out at the time, and the fact that the guard was still a gamble made him worse. if he had a 50% to proc guard but with 3 other android/cell saga allies its be guaranteed he'd be a lot better. I will say if you did get super trunks out oooooh boy was he a monster. Now buff trunks attack stat is a normal Monday for basic Turs
Fr
Bro I’m convinced these devs were balling in laughter after making some of these units😤😤😤
@@THEPLANTINITOMAN37 honestly I wouldn’t doubt it😭
SSJ3 Teq Broly gets his Super Eza and becomes top 5 best units in the game competing with LR Beast, Agl Ui Goku and Int Vegeta and Broly & Cheelai & Lemo for the GOAT spot
*Absolute Cinema*
Definitely could be absolute Cinema, but honestly depends on how they pull it off. Broly could also just suck because he would have to be hitting like 150 mil in order to kill bosses before they kill him
One of the abilities that you missed is for scouter/foresee super attack, Agl Ginyu (Goku) got a high chance instead of 100% and its kinda dookie since you don't know if that proc or not
yeah but it doesn't kill the unit tho
Gotta love commentary
@@Mortimer..._00 yessirrrr
So sad int golden frieza still had the debuff in his eza, back when he released he was so strong that debuffing your Allies are worth it since frieza made up for it with his power
But eza frieza is just okay and then the debuff makes him pretty bad
@@rumbling9879 AT least the debuff is way less than it was before
Luckily these Abilities are a lot less common in the newer units
For sure, but I mean domains are pretty much Angel Frieza's ability just controlled tho
Gotenks 11 ki super mechanic should have been here , really annoy with how dokkan don't let us choose direction of orbs.
6 leader skill, 3 over in a flash, you better hope theres either one type orb or off type orbs and they BETTER not ruin the orb structure
It really is not that bad tbh…
Eh it really is not that bad tbh
I honestly believe that if dokkan made it so that current and future bosses can be debuffed at most maybe have a really small chance to be sealed or stunned it could really benefit the characters that need debuffs on enemies to be good like seriously what is a lowering attack and or defense gonna do if the current bosses can one shot you?
@@manuelzelaya8973 You would be surprised tbh. The new Cell Max fight is a good example of this as people are able to cheese the boss so much with debuffs that people started bringing teams that had multiple units that were not under a leader skill on the team and survived till the end
@@legendaryred24 fair but it is kind of like the only exception due to how his fight works
@@manuelzelaya8973 fr
thankfully they never added a defuse mechanic on any of the vegitos
Defuse mechanic on any of the fusions would be nasty work😭
@@legendaryred24 fr imagine phy gogeta or agl blue bros 💀💀💀
@@Shaunnindroid6130 It would be awful
I love gambling to see if i get guard or not but end up dying either way
@@CheapSeek It is such an awful ability 😭
Number 9. Characters not transforming when they’re supposed to
I just did a magnificent battle with 2 Broly’s and neither of them transformed by turn 8, wtf was I doing wrong?
@@Basedbrawler Called this awful transformation condition where they can only transform 5 turns from THEIR first turn (so can be turn 1, 2 or 3) and if a domain is active he can’t transform either
Active skill conditions count turns from the characters first appearance.
I still wanna know how anyone could have designed a nuker that loses defense
Lol fr
1:02
this aged well
They said watch this lol
I’ve been watching a lot of your videos and forgot to subscribe
@@PrimeRev1ver no worries 🫡, just appreciate the support 😤
Video idea: the most deserving unit to get a new card
Kind of already did that 😅
@@legendaryred24 thats the video with dfe. But this one is different from others, it will features every oldest units that still haven't got their recent ones
@@deletosuper9186 That’s not really a most deserving unit video then, just units that need upgrades
actually agl lr broly is crazy
@@LEANBOIGALACTIC he is very good for sure
Trunks was such a disappointment, I love Trunks but that high chance to guard shit is so dumb, it would be more tolerable if they made an icon to signify you are guarding before you see damage, just like I think a dodge % counter icon would be great as well. Broly just.....lol losing defense per orb somebody just hates Broly idc that he's an old unit I can't think of any other unit that loses def per orb.
Fr, and the fact that he had a high chance to guard AFTER having a team restriction is crazy.
@@legendaryred24 I think all the devs in 2023 were smoking some weed, that or somebody fucking despises Trunks because yea 3 characters on a MEH team for the 2023 meta just to have coinflip odds to guard? He was actually pretty good in his transformation state but the odds of getting there just don't exist anymore lol
@@sersquishiez fr💀, my other video coming out in a few days just shows how bad 2023 was in terms of releases and EZA’s
1:09 It finally happened 🥹
Yessirrrr
TEQ Merged Zamasu in nutshell
lol
i meannn if you go additional on broly, he does have a lot of defense
@@radovan1936 if you don’t get a lot of orbs
yo i might be dumb, but where do you fight the goku black and zamasu where zamasu heals 99 mil hp? i cant find it
Should be the Zero Mortals plan the int the divine will or something like that name challenge event
@@legendaryred24 ive looked and I cant find anything with that name sadly
@@spookieguddd divine wrath and mortal will stage 4
@@legendaryred24 ty
@@spookieguddd yessirrrr
Where is LR GT Cell and Frieza
@@SevenShot_23 they could be mentioned as well
The worst unit i have used was the LR EZA Full Power Boujack
Really?
@@legendaryred24 yes on my old account
@@MetrieWilliams I see
TEQ Trunks could’ve been Him…
If only...
How were ur teq ui goku summons bro?
@@Harsha-h5d Got everyone besides the two units I wanted; Rose and TEQ UI
@@legendaryred24 i got teq ui and int ssj 4 goku but really wanted str vegito and goku black Hopefully u get him soon
@@Harsha-h5d niceee and appreciate it!
I got teq ui and I really wanted Rose on ui's banner and MUI on Beast banner, so I'm going to summon on Beast Gohan for MUI and grind coins for Rose.
@@Harsha-h5d Same here
Golden frieza and gohan 70% to guard AFTER super..
@@Nagittokomaeda no way that’s real💀😭
EZAs that will break the game?
@@Aloviya already do that one actually😅
@@legendaryred24 Most overhated units Maybe?
@@Aloviya Already done, but probably will need an updated one fairly soon
I brought physics goku black now ur telling it garbage really really
@@JeffWeselyan that’s INT Rose Goku Black not PHY
@@legendaryred24 oh ok
And it's called physicall not physics 💀
@@MustafaHasan-qu2xh ok nobody cares but thank you 😊
@@JeffWeselyan np
rage is the worst skill in the world
Not really tbh, it’s like giant mode which is very good
1:10 maybe
Dodging chance characters , I Will only Say something.. I HATE YOU PHY GOD GOKU
love you int pan
@@maxis2753 😭
Can we get legendary red tom more subs that DBZmoe pls guys?
That would be awesome
w video
Yessirrrrr
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First video I fully agreed with, well done 🫡
Appreciate it😤