I always liked this scene because it's a very human one. It's very humanising of his character and puts these things in perspective. It's a sobering thought
One of my favorite scenes from this flick. Leave it to fiction to put a conscience on the American military/political machine, because in real life, it's just one mess after another and the worst part of it: most of the government simply doesn't care and the ones who do care, are quickly silenced in order to not disrupt the ways of the establishment.
A president with a conscience. When I first watched this movie, I thought, "Now this is a president. We need men and women like him in the Oval Office. People who consider all the angles, not just the ones that get them elected." Now this is the epitome of character.
The American people need to watch this scene and film nowadays to remember who we were, how we used to think and what we stood for and return to the path of sanity and integrity
We argue amongst ourselves about political parties everyday. But this scene truly defines who Presidents are. The decisions they make even if for the greater good, they still impact those we don't see but each president knows of when in briefing.
@BoobaDoo let's just hope America can find a way of the mess it got itself in over the years, both with politics and everything else. We need to get back to the way we used to be and what we stood for
So true. This movie was kind of a prequel to west wing tv series. Episode was “a proportional response”.., they used that line in previous scene in movie. Plane was shot down on west wing and young medical officer who was gonna be president Bartlett’s doctor was onboard. He was furious n had to be talked down by Leo mcgarry. Even Martin sheen in this movie and some future west Wing tv stars. Anna deveare-smith was press secretary in this movie and was national security advisor on west wing 👍
They practically poked fun of that when AJ says proportional response and Shepard straight up says "someday I'll need you to lecture me on the virtue of a proportional response."
Wrong, the Janitor is doing his job and trying to support whatever family he has where he lives. This movie portrays a president who acknowledges that he probably just killed several innocent people with a single order in order to make his nation safe. He acknowledges that when he meets his maker he'll have to answer for that.
@@blastermasterguy - That's the nature of self-defense and national defense. And if a god cannot embrace and celebrate the virtue of such things, the it is not a God worth worshipping or even bothering ourselves with.
I agree with him whole heartedly. If the idea was retaliation for the attack on Americans in Israel, then the American bombing should have been in the middle of the day, when the men who planned said attack would be in the building, not at home asleep in their beds while said janitor dies.
Middle of the day, it's easier to see the aircraft coming in and shoot at it with firearms like rifles and handguns. The people they were after would run.
@@drmayeda1930 true true, but a B52 flys at 34000 feet. The human eye really can't see a plane flyijg above 32000 feet. However, you are correct that the actual targets would run away. However I think it sends a more powerful message to a fictional Iranian leader to have to flee their headquarters than to be asleep in his bed when said headquarters is destroyed.
The point of the attack wasn't to kill people; it was to cripple their intelligence capability. If there's a mix of civilians at that building when military personnel are present, such an attack could be considered a crime against humanity (you'd be targeting the building for its people rather than its functions). That's why he attacked at night: to minimize casualties.
@uisblackcat I agree. People need to live their life based on Universal unavoidable principles, instead of "reacting" to life because of circumstances, which is where the famous "If only..." comes from.
Catherine, ETF is probably a sociopath... he or she completely lacks the empathy and compassion that most of us were born with, and thus finds it difficult to grasp the point that this scene has successfully gotten across to many of us.
Wait - this doesn’t make sense. Making that call to strike the embassy is the precisely the kind of decision that a president is elected to make! Why else would you need a commander in chief if the commander thinks making a military decision is NOT presidential!? You can say you make a bad decision vs a good decision but as President, you can’t opt out of making a call like that. Stupid line
I guess it depends on perspective. If I were in his shoes, I would have a terrible sense of guilt in making that call, knowing it was going to kill other human beings. I would make the call if necessary, but I would consider it more necessary than Presidential.
He did order the attack but in doing so, he is bothered by his conscience that an innocent janitor will be killed, someone who is in no way responsible for the attack on the US
Very nice movie scene and an apeal to presidential leaders all over the world to get aware of what small orders are actually about. But I can't imagine many incumbent presidents in this world to feel that way!
You serious? The president ordered a retaliation attack on the people who attacked the US. But in that order, an innocent janitor has to lose his life. The janitor was not responsible in anyway in attacking the US. Surprised at your response, you are probably would not hesitate to kill cats and dogs just because
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I always liked this scene because it's a very human one. It's very humanising of his character and puts these things in perspective. It's a sobering thought
One of my favorite scenes from this flick. Leave it to fiction to put a conscience on the American military/political machine, because in real life, it's just one mess after another and the worst part of it: most of the government simply doesn't care and the ones who do care, are quickly silenced in order to not disrupt the ways of the establishment.
A president with a conscience. When I first watched this movie, I thought, "Now this is a president. We need men and women like him in the Oval Office. People who consider all the angles, not just the ones that get them elected." Now this is the epitome of character.
Indeed
@@cbarry9819 He had a reason. Did you watch the rest of the movie or just this clip? I'd bet my mother's life on the latter.
@@cbarry9819 k 🤡
And then you have trump 😂😂😂😂😂
And then along came Trump who destroyed any illusion of the Presidency being about honor, integrity or even basic human decency. 🤔
scene had a strong impact. he portrays a president well.
The American people need to watch this scene and film nowadays to remember who we were, how we used to think and what we stood for and return to the path of sanity and integrity
We argue amongst ourselves about political parties everyday. But this scene truly defines who Presidents are. The decisions they make even if for the greater good, they still impact those we don't see but each president knows of when in briefing.
@BoobaDoo let's just hope America can find a way of the mess it got itself in over the years, both with politics and everything else. We need to get back to the way we used to be and what we stood for
So you want to.......Make America Great Again?@@operation1968
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If they didn't make The West Wing, THIS would have been a great movie series.
Considering that Shepherd's chief of staff happens to be Bartlett, what a comment.
Oh how I wish he was real. Him and Jed Bartlet and Matt Santos from The West Wing.
I'd vote for him
@viewz We shouldn't aspire to be better?
Jed who created an entire conspiracy to hide criminal actions so ass to be elected to the presidency in the first place?
Just vote for a Democrat, that's who Sorkin based them all on.
If only Bartlet had picked up on this. Just a handful of episodes into the first season and he basically throws a tantrum about the exact opposite.
So true. This movie was kind of a prequel to west wing tv series. Episode was “a proportional response”.., they used that line in previous scene in movie. Plane was shot down on west wing and young medical officer who was gonna be president Bartlett’s doctor was onboard. He was furious n had to be talked down by Leo mcgarry. Even Martin sheen in this movie and some future west Wing tv stars. Anna deveare-smith was press secretary in this movie and was national security advisor on west wing 👍
They practically poked fun of that when AJ says proportional response and Shepard straight up says "someday I'll need you to lecture me on the virtue of a proportional response."
They just basically filled out the cast of The West Wing from a bunch of the people in that room, right?
In under a minute he proves to be a better president than Trump.
Wrong, but isn`t it a bit of a coincidence?
Trump just called off an Iranian attack because of a unmanned drone. This scene just got played out in real life . Trump is awesome
@@Alex-rn5hz So is his video collection.
Trump’s attack of the Iranian general must have been inspired by this movie!
The janitor is in the wrong building.
doctadeath2020 "We're sorry, Mario. But the janitor is in another building!"
Wrong, the Janitor is doing his job and trying to support whatever family he has where he lives. This movie portrays a president who acknowledges that he probably just killed several innocent people with a single order in order to make his nation safe. He acknowledges that when he meets his maker he'll have to answer for that.
@@blastermasterguy - That's the nature of self-defense and national defense. And if a god cannot embrace and celebrate the virtue of such things, the it is not a God worth worshipping or even bothering ourselves with.
Not proportional . . . he is killing the Janitor rather than the General who attacked the US . . . who works during the day
It wasn't about who gets killed, he wanted to destroy the building so the General loses his resources. He'd warn the janitor to escape if he could.
I agree with him whole heartedly. If the idea was retaliation for the attack on Americans in Israel, then the American bombing should have been in the middle of the day, when the men who planned said attack would be in the building, not at home asleep in their beds while said janitor dies.
Middle of the day, it's easier to see the aircraft coming in and shoot at it with firearms like rifles and handguns. The people they were after would run.
@@drmayeda1930 true true, but a B52 flys at 34000 feet. The human eye really can't see a plane flyijg above 32000 feet. However, you are correct that the actual targets would run away. However I think it sends a more powerful message to a fictional Iranian leader to have to flee their headquarters than to be asleep in his bed when said headquarters is destroyed.
The point of the attack wasn't to kill people; it was to cripple their intelligence capability. If there's a mix of civilians at that building when military personnel are present, such an attack could be considered a crime against humanity (you'd be targeting the building for its people rather than its functions). That's why he attacked at night: to minimize casualties.
I think he was more about taking out their base so they cannot strike again. Just like his logic of ban handguns eliminates murder.
LOL... I hear you, but I've grown weary of trying to engage people like him in dialogue or debate... it's like tilting at windmills.
@uisblackcat I agree. People need to live their life based on Universal unavoidable principles, instead of "reacting" to life because of circumstances, which is where the famous "If only..." comes from.
Catherine, ETF is probably a sociopath... he or she completely lacks the empathy and compassion that most of us were born with, and thus finds it difficult to grasp the point that this scene has successfully gotten across to many of us.
Ages of innocent
The least Presidential thing I do. Because he failed to find a political or diplomatic solution.
Just quietly, what political or diplomatic solution would you have suggested?
@ETF1964 You mean to defend the Constitution of the United States?
The Constitution is an outdated document. Several amendments are in drastic need of a major update (especially the 2nd amendment).
@@blastermasterguy That is the least American thing I heard.
@crazyalvin3 What about President Thomas J. Whitmore?!
Thomas J. Whitmore, aka the antichrist?
Wait - this doesn’t make sense. Making that call to strike the embassy is the precisely the kind of decision that a president is elected to make! Why else would you need a commander in chief if the commander thinks making a military decision is NOT presidential!? You can say you make a bad decision vs a good decision but as President, you can’t opt out of making a call like that. Stupid line
You’re an idiot. His point was it’s not something to be celebrated. Not sure how you missed that.
He didn't say it wasn't presidential, he said it was the "least presidential" thing that he does. Do differences like that escape you often?
I guess it depends on perspective. If I were in his shoes, I would have a terrible sense of guilt in making that call, knowing it was going to kill other human beings. I would make the call if necessary, but I would consider it more necessary than Presidential.
He did order the attack but in doing so, he is bothered by his conscience that an innocent janitor will be killed, someone who is in no way responsible for the attack on the US
As much as I love this movie that's a very naive way to view the world.
Very nice movie scene and an apeal to presidential leaders all over the world to get aware of what small orders are actually about. But I can't imagine many incumbent presidents in this world to feel that way!
Awesome flick👍
And the problem with that is???
You serious? The president ordered a retaliation attack on the people who attacked the US. But in that order, an innocent janitor has to lose his life. The janitor was not responsible in anyway in attacking the US. Surprised at your response, you are probably would not hesitate to kill cats and dogs just because