As someone who has never played warcraft (and probably never will at this point) but loves a great story, just sitting back and listening to how it all played out is amazing. Give the new guy a raise I say
@@rhysweston9426 These days there are many reasons why I should not and can not play MMO's at all. One is the grindy nature actually clincally depress' me. Doc strongly suggests i stick to virtual murder with guns.
AV had some of the most epic battles ever. I remember a down to the wire one on one fight between my Troll shadow priest and a gnome warlock that came down to wand strikes.
That's fucking awesome! I remember kitting the Alliance Captain (before he was chained in the room) to almost the middle of the map with a team. We were trying to just bring him into the horde area to have them just start wrecking face! LOL
@@medernach I mean, there was plenty of pve content already, and while I enjoyed warfronts, having them be pvp or have a pvp version, would have been amazing. Just a thought anyway :-)
@Brant Hall People who prefer proper balance prefer PvE to PVP. Pvp will never be properly balanced, not with how classes and races are designed. Last expansion my warrior would 3 shot players of the similar ilvl. This expansion, boomkins would 3 shot my warrior.
Remember how OP the ice lord was though, Ivus was a JOKE, so easy to kill, did nothing. The horde frost lord would often trundle upto the alliance bridge by itself and wreck everything.
AV could last a lot longer then 1 day, i remember a game i was in for an entire weekend. Original AV was quite the epic BG, it could be very punishing but it was fun.
Alterac Valley really was an experience. The Alliance may have had the Stormpike Bowman and the bridge, but Drek'thar whirlwind was way more deadly than anything Vanndar would throw at you. I also really enjoyed the PvP that the battleground tunnels brought to each zone. I would group up with my other mage friends outside the AV tunnel, go invisible and run down to the end of the tunnel where all the horde players were sitting and AoE until we died to see how many horde players we could kill for those sweet sweet HKs.
The longest I remember being in... three times... was 2 days and 9 hours. It wouldn't work today i think, given how the age of the game and gaming in general has moved us from wonder to reward-driven motivations. But I recall it very fondly, it was great to play a hunter in it and try to take out other hunter/rogue gankers using tracking and anti-tracking cleverly. I think also, as simple as it was, the announcers in the battleground really helped hype it up, I still remember the tension building as you saw Vanndar or Drek'thar under attack, or even a tower or two about to fall and you'd scramble to save it. The best parts, other than the center, was easily the dynamic of the relief hut and the two main fortress towers.
I think it would work fine because the main objective of killing the final boss isn't why most people went there anyway. The point was to grind honor and rep with frostwolves. If the boss died it didn't really matter that much other than getting that huge chunk of rep.
Alterac Valley Released in 2005, Dark Age of Camelot (RvR) released in 2001, Alterac wasn't unique in the industry but it was unique for WoW. However, I understand this is a history of WoW and not a history of MMO's.
Well, he did seem to imply it was unique to the industry, but it really wasn't. AV was basically Blizzard's mistake, which turned out to play similar to RvR (from DAoC) instead of the "Battleground" they wanted it to play like, which is why it was subsequently nerfed until it played like a "Battleground". Sad, because most PvP players at the time preferred the original implementation.
bell its about time u got into major story telling of wow because for years nobel had it on lock lol and i love his story telling really helps bring out the flavors and love of wow for me
Today the Elemental Lords are still a little epic when they spawn because there so many players that didn't know they existed that its a big WTF moment for them.
The original map was much larger, and bases had mines that needed disarmed. Most people didn't know about them and would constantly set them off, killing themselves and everyone around them.
They need to "remake" battlegrounds to make them like this again. I think even new retail players would enjoy at least ONE thing that wasn't set to an easy mode.
13:34 "Vanish - Should be a lot more responsive when used to avoid incoming attacks" So that 0.5s immunity to everything was actually a intended mechanic and not a bug? :0
The Vann vs Drek argument is a sign of who is biased and who is not. At least when it comes to who is more difficult. ANYONE who thinks Vann was a challenge is biased. A thunderclap that did shit damage and a long high damage single target stun is his only threat to the Horde. Both Drek and Galv not only hit hard, but have 1-hit kill cleaves/whirlwind, AoE stuns that often combo into those 1-hit kill skills, and are very easy to reset with AoE fears. Vann's marshals are infinitely more of a threat than Vann himself, unlike Drek, whose additional NPCs not only include the equivalent warmasters, but the wolf pets. Balinda is 100% soloable by a Warlock, Mage, or Priest, so that doesn't even really need to be discussed.
You missed the flying event in AV! Free the Wing Commander from the enemy base, escort him back and unleash hell with flying units bombing the crap out of the enemy.
Missed an important original AV aspect. GY flags were in the middle of the spawn location. The spawn location got moved away from flag in a later patch which made winning quicker.
I started with TBC AV, where it already had reinforcements. But it still had all those turn-ins. From reading/hearing about the 1.5 AV, I really prefer the TBC version...
They aren't giving us the classic Alterac Valley tho, sadly. I mean, they are giving us a version that was live during classic, but one far inferior to the original version everyone remembers and loves.
SerSparky amazing how many blaspheme the Lord.... everybody does. It tells me there is something up with this Jesus dude. More authority than some dude like Muhammed.
You can tell Bell really enjoys this series because I don't think I have seen him more excitedly talking in a video then he was in this one. Bell either really likes talking about faction Vs faction warfare and/or loved the new additions that were added to a game you know he loves dearly. Either way well done sir!! I truly love this series and I wait with baited breath for each new episode. Keep up the good work and give your script writer a solid high five for his great writing. Cheers!!
So, here's an idea I asked upon. Do you think Classic is just a means for them to essentially restart the game from the beginning? And will have expansions built from Classic? Personally, I'd be okay with it!
I wonder how AV will look when it releases in classic. I hope for the full 24 hour war ground but I also hope they take that opportunity to fix some of the extreme glaring balance issues that effected the original BG on horde side. Like seriously take that hill away from the fence. No reason for alliance to have an easy way to jump over the walls.
i remember we summoned the elemental at least once. countless battles in Alterac grinding PvP gear for BC... that became useless w/ WoLK but that's just me whining.
Up to 1 day? Wtf... the longest Alterac battle i participated in was the whole weekend.. so at least 2 days. It was insane. My buddy back then was playing a warrior and wanted the blue quest axe which was very good pre raid. In the end he had to leave and shortly after we won.. he was kinda mad :D
One of the fantastic things about vanilla battlegrounds was the level tiering. Before the advent of heirlooms and the ability to gain experience from PVP, on RP servers you would have groups of people who would work really hard at collecting good gear and soulbound items and then eschew any further leveling content upon reaching certain levels. Level 19 was the most fun for me in Warsong Gulch as there was a good balance of abilities at play for each class, with a minimum of exploits, and leveling and gearing your character appropriately was an interesting challenge in which you had to plan out your questing and dungeon runs in advance, often running great distances through higher level areas while avoiding gaining exploration experience in others, to maximize your chances of getting certain drops. At that point the game became about avoiding experience while gathering low level gear sets to roleplay with. Occasionally a player would accidentally or deliberately level out of the tier and we would roleplay mourning that character's passing with a wake.
On bonechewer. AV didnt last hours to maybe a day... it would last a week or so. And the elemental lord summons would often fail to help capture more than one point. No joke. Certainly not q game ender, not even close
I loved AV, I just wish they'd bring it back for classic, though I've heard they don't plan to. It was a wonderful experience, with flecks of PVE stuff amidst a giant PVP war. Really well thought out and well done, even if they had one hell of a time trying to figure out how to balance it.
To start off. Hello Asmongold. This was War. This was PVP. This was fun. BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE! In OG AV. If the Alliance lost it just ment you guys sucked. It was almost impossible for the Alliance to lose. I remember it took about 15+ games till I was finally part of a winning Horde team. And man did it feel good.
You forgot the air raids in AV. You had to rescue your Wing Commanders from the bunkers (named after Top Gun characters no less) and then feed their beasts flesh to get them ready for a strike. Also there were side quests with mobs that were off the beaten path. Trolls over the Snowfall bridge and harpies and gnolls in caves at either end. The sheer number of mobs present and the fact that so many players zoning in were not yet 60 were two of the main factors that made the battles so long and made conflict between the players assured. Once players started coming into AV with BWL and HWL gear on and the number of mobs was reduced, that was when it devolved into a zerg fest. If the archers and towers aren't deadly then rushing the boss becomes inevitable.
I really wish blizzard would add more along the lines of old school alterac Valley. I personally love the pvpve dynamic,and being able to complete side objectives to give your team that slight edge.
..."and chaos ensued" boy that sounds good,. In the years prior to quitting wow, my PVP experience was pretty much: This is the plan (that we always do) We will win if we stick to the plan, anyone who doesn't is a ... [This account has been suspended for toxicity]
AV isn't Alliance biased, players being impatient and stupid as they are wont to do, gave the Alliance an edge. The physical layout of the Battleground itself is very Horde favored on Defense. Towers are FAR easier to recapture than Bunkers, and recapturing them is the timed event, not capturing them. And Frostwolf Village's massive LOS breaks turn sieging it into more of a nightmare than the Bridge. AV is Horde favored, it's just that mutual zerging is the norm, completely invalidating the massive advantages Horde has in Defending, because defending and long BGs are boring, so zerg zerg zerg!
Original Alterac Valley was basically a good warfront.
true, bfa warfronts are a joke
Correct
AV is basically a bad warfront.
I resubbed to WoW thinking Warfronts would be PVP :(
Lmao too true
Alterac Valley was the best. Just hours and hours and hours having a blast. Nothing will ever replicate that experience again.
As someone who has never played warcraft (and probably never will at this point) but loves a great story, just sitting back and listening to how it all played out is amazing. Give the new guy a raise I say
Dave Williams you should really give it a try! It’s a pretty amazing game.
@@rhysweston9426 These days there are many reasons why I should not and can not play MMO's at all. One is the grindy nature actually clincally depress' me. Doc strongly suggests i stick to virtual murder with guns.
Well that is definitely more preferable to RL murder lol 😂
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AV had some of the most epic battles ever. I remember a down to the wire one on one fight between my Troll shadow priest and a gnome warlock that came down to wand strikes.
@@arckanon13
Talk like a normal human, you fucktard.....
That's fucking awesome! I remember kitting the Alliance Captain (before he was chained in the room) to almost the middle of the map with a team.
We were trying to just bring him into the horde area to have them just start wrecking face! LOL
For the Horde
Alterac Valley, the original warfront. Just imagine if bfa warfronts were PvP instead of the shitty pve afk fest we got
Not everyone likes pvp. Many prefer pve
@@medernach I mean, there was plenty of pve content already, and while I enjoyed warfronts, having them be pvp or have a pvp version, would have been amazing. Just a thought anyway :-)
But WOT About mai free Epix???
You should try the Heroic Warfronts, they're much more fun.
@Brant Hall People who prefer proper balance prefer PvE to PVP. Pvp will never be properly balanced, not with how classes and races are designed.
Last expansion my warrior would 3 shot players of the similar ilvl. This expansion, boomkins would 3 shot my warrior.
Original AV was the best time I've ever had in any game ever. Hours and hours of struggle and emotion
RIP 1.5 AV used to love it so much.
Too bad Classic isn't going with 1.5 AV.
@@eternalvigilance5697 They may be convinced.
This patch gives me the most memories from vanilla wow.
Damn dude I remember watching you as a kid playing wow. Look at us now. Bless up brotha 🤙
Remember how OP the ice lord was though, Ivus was a JOKE, so easy to kill, did nothing. The horde frost lord would often trundle upto the alliance bridge by itself and wreck everything.
I really love your videos, but your transitions are waaaayy too loud! :)
This video brought back so many memories! I used to LOVE PvP when these came out. I also participated in the world PvP but AV was just too much fun.
AV could last a lot longer then 1 day, i remember a game i was in for an entire weekend. Original AV was quite the epic BG, it could be very punishing but it was fun.
Alterac Valley really was an experience. The Alliance may have had the Stormpike Bowman and the bridge, but Drek'thar whirlwind was way more deadly than anything Vanndar would throw at you. I also really enjoyed the PvP that the battleground tunnels brought to each zone. I would group up with my other mage friends outside the AV tunnel, go invisible and run down to the end of the tunnel where all the horde players were sitting and AoE until we died to see how many horde players we could kill for those sweet sweet HKs.
Not to mention there was a backdoor into the alli base lol, was no sneakyboi way into the horde base :(
Thank you for this series! Very fun so far
The longest I remember being in... three times... was 2 days and 9 hours. It wouldn't work today i think, given how the age of the game and gaming in general has moved us from wonder to reward-driven motivations. But I recall it very fondly, it was great to play a hunter in it and try to take out other hunter/rogue gankers using tracking and anti-tracking cleverly. I think also, as simple as it was, the announcers in the battleground really helped hype it up, I still remember the tension building as you saw Vanndar or Drek'thar under attack, or even a tower or two about to fall and you'd scramble to save it. The best parts, other than the center, was easily the dynamic of the relief hut and the two main fortress towers.
I think it would work fine because the main objective of killing the final boss isn't why most people went there anyway. The point was to grind honor and rep with frostwolves. If the boss died it didn't really matter that much other than getting that huge chunk of rep.
The very anticipated Call to War patch! Great video!
7:05 TFW the video ended prematurely
Alterac Valley Released in 2005, Dark Age of Camelot (RvR) released in 2001, Alterac wasn't unique in the industry but it was unique for WoW. However, I understand this is a history of WoW and not a history of MMO's.
Well, he did seem to imply it was unique to the industry, but it really wasn't. AV was basically Blizzard's mistake, which turned out to play similar to RvR (from DAoC) instead of the "Battleground" they wanted it to play like, which is why it was subsequently nerfed until it played like a "Battleground". Sad, because most PvP players at the time preferred the original implementation.
Whoa, just got flashbacks of RvR in DAoC and how Midgard and Hibernia would always team up to trounce Albion. Because screw Albion.
bell its about time u got into major story telling of wow because for years nobel had it on lock lol and i love his story telling really helps bring out the flavors and love of wow for me
Let's keep nobbel the story keeper. He's earned it.
@@Warpgatez yea but his voice is perfect for it 100 lol
Classic AV where you can log off to go to the school, come back and log into the same AV.
Today the Elemental Lords are still a little epic when they spawn because there so many players that didn't know they existed that its a big WTF moment for them.
Imo classic Alterac Valley is by far the best battleground I've ever been apart in. Very Immersive experience for a BG 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
that firefox website picture with that ancient windows task bar really brought me back.
Really enjoying this series, please keep em coming!
The original map was much larger, and bases had mines that needed disarmed. Most people didn't know about them and would constantly set them off, killing themselves and everyone around them.
Here in 2024 the opening line "gather your warband" is pretty funny to hear. Michael is a prophet of the WoW future!
Can't wait for Patch 6.1 :D
They need to "remake" battlegrounds to make them like this again. I think even new retail players would enjoy at least ONE thing that wasn't set to an easy mode.
13:34 "Vanish - Should be a lot more responsive when used to avoid incoming attacks" So that 0.5s immunity to everything was actually a intended mechanic and not a bug? :0
The Vann vs Drek argument is a sign of who is biased and who is not. At least when it comes to who is more difficult. ANYONE who thinks Vann was a challenge is biased. A thunderclap that did shit damage and a long high damage single target stun is his only threat to the Horde. Both Drek and Galv not only hit hard, but have 1-hit kill cleaves/whirlwind, AoE stuns that often combo into those 1-hit kill skills, and are very easy to reset with AoE fears. Vann's marshals are infinitely more of a threat than Vann himself, unlike Drek, whose additional NPCs not only include the equivalent warmasters, but the wolf pets. Balinda is 100% soloable by a Warlock, Mage, or Priest, so that doesn't even really need to be discussed.
foomp thank you. How did he gloss over this?
You missed the flying event in AV! Free the Wing Commander from the enemy base, escort him back and unleash hell with flying units bombing the crap out of the enemy.
Absolutely nothing like an old school AV for hours on end
Missed an important original AV aspect. GY flags were in the middle of the spawn location. The spawn location got moved away from flag in a later patch which made winning quicker.
I started with TBC AV, where it already had reinforcements. But it still had all those turn-ins. From reading/hearing about the 1.5 AV, I really prefer the TBC version...
Hey man been watching for a long time but can you please turn down the transitions they are super loud! Thank man
AV was my absolute favorite battleground . So many good and funny moments
Love the content as it reminds me of old times!
Can't wait for battleground to be live on classic
They aren't giving us the classic Alterac Valley tho, sadly. I mean, they are giving us a version that was live during classic, but one far inferior to the original version everyone remembers and loves.
AV is one of my favorite battleground
My classic WG experience was just chaotic rushing of both sides to the flag and then just a mad hide and seek hunting of the flags.
Ivus the kite lord. He was useless to us.
Does he talk about 1.5 adding a lfg dungeon queing system?
No because it didn’t
You forgot the flying commanders in av
The longest AV I was a part of lasted for four days...
please, this has been an ongoing issue for many MANY videos now; learn how to mix down your audio. your transitions are way too loud.
Love this series!
Jesus Christ your camera quality is amazing
SerSparky amazing how many blaspheme the Lord.... everybody does. It tells me there is something up with this Jesus dude. More authority than some dude like Muhammed.
You can tell Bell really enjoys this series because I don't think I have seen him more excitedly talking in a video then he was in this one. Bell either really likes talking about faction Vs faction warfare and/or loved the new additions that were added to a game you know he loves dearly. Either way well done sir!! I truly love this series and I wait with baited breath for each new episode. Keep up the good work and give your script writer a solid high five for his great writing. Cheers!!
Amazing content, as always! Great work Bell&Team. Loved it!
hey bellular! Your videos always keep me entertained on my way home from work
So, here's an idea I asked upon. Do you think Classic is just a means for them to essentially restart the game from the beginning? And will have expansions built from Classic?
Personally, I'd be okay with it!
Would be nice with all bugs like when it was possible to capture towers with shaman's frost shock or through walls.
I wonder how AV will look when it releases in classic. I hope for the full 24 hour war ground but I also hope they take that opportunity to fix some of the extreme glaring balance issues that effected the original BG on horde side. Like seriously take that hill away from the fence. No reason for alliance to have an easy way to jump over the walls.
rekrn12345 we are getting the later version and not this 1.5 version. It will be a race to the boss and battles will end quickly unfortunately
What is the music being playing at the end of the Intro?
Dun Morogh
i remember we summoned the elemental at least once. countless battles in Alterac grinding PvP gear for BC... that became useless w/ WoLK but that's just me whining.
Bellular has gone shadow clone jutsu to make videos. You keep cranking them out. Keep up the great work!
Up to 1 day? Wtf... the longest Alterac battle i participated in was the whole weekend.. so at least 2 days. It was insane. My buddy back then was playing a warrior and wanted the blue quest axe which was very good pre raid. In the end he had to leave and shortly after we won.. he was kinda mad :D
He never played vanilla so he is just going off whatever he can find online for info.
ahhhh Thottbot and Blizzard Background Updater
1.5 AV looks so Epic!
You forgot the airstrikes and the player controlled shredders!
What's the name of their other channel he always talk about?
Love this series
Been loving this series man, your team does great work
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Keep these vids coming, Bellular! Love this history stuff :)
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Cannot wait for some AV goodness
Big up the Bell man
I was in a AV battle 3 days running,,,lost btw,,not jk btw,lest i was told it was one long battle,,bit fuzzy on details rofl
Man I miss old AV. It's too bad we didn't get it back with Classic.
One of the fantastic things about vanilla battlegrounds was the level tiering. Before the advent of heirlooms and the ability to gain experience from PVP, on RP servers you would have groups of people who would work really hard at collecting good gear and soulbound items and then eschew any further leveling content upon reaching certain levels. Level 19 was the most fun for me in Warsong Gulch as there was a good balance of abilities at play for each class, with a minimum of exploits, and leveling and gearing your character appropriately was an interesting challenge in which you had to plan out your questing and dungeon runs in advance, often running great distances through higher level areas while avoiding gaining exploration experience in others, to maximize your chances of getting certain drops. At that point the game became about avoiding experience while gathering low level gear sets to roleplay with. Occasionally a player would accidentally or deliberately level out of the tier and we would roleplay mourning that character's passing with a wake.
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these where the days right here fuuuck man. Roaming bands of world PvP that was good times.
I do miss the days of Mind controlling battlemasters outside of their portals
I like this way more than all the sensationist news videos you've been doing lately.
So Visceral, much WoW.
On bonechewer. AV didnt last hours to maybe a day... it would last a week or so. And the elemental lord summons would often fail to help capture more than one point. No joke. Certainly not q game ender, not even close
great video
Oh, hey there!
i never liked the idea of global nerfs to fix pvp imbalances. There I said it.
*who remembers the 72 hr AVs*
Along with AV, I think isle of conquest is pretty great.
And strand of the ancients
I loved AV, I just wish they'd bring it back for classic, though I've heard they don't plan to. It was a wonderful experience, with flecks of PVE stuff amidst a giant PVP war. Really well thought out and well done, even if they had one hell of a time trying to figure out how to balance it.
Where did you get the info that they wont bring it back? As far as I know its scheduled to hit in phase 3...
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Do a video on the unexpected content update!
To start off. Hello Asmongold.
This was War. This was PVP. This was fun.
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!
SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!
In OG AV. If the Alliance lost it just ment you guys sucked. It was almost impossible for the Alliance to lose.
I remember it took about 15+ games till I was finally part of a winning Horde team. And man did it feel good.
just got back from cooking a steak dinner is the warfront over yet?
Heh, I remember that list of top player killers, shame it doesn't seem to exist anymore
HE IS STREAMING ! monkaS HE WILL COME ! monkaS HE WILL WATCH ! monkaS
If the Frostwolves were banished for not drinking Mannoroth's blood, then why are they green?
You forgot the air raids in AV. You had to rescue your Wing Commanders from the bunkers (named after Top Gun characters no less) and then feed their beasts flesh to get them ready for a strike.
Also there were side quests with mobs that were off the beaten path. Trolls over the Snowfall bridge and harpies and gnolls in caves at either end.
The sheer number of mobs present and the fact that so many players zoning in were not yet 60 were two of the main factors that made the battles so long and made conflict between the players assured.
Once players started coming into AV with BWL and HWL gear on and the number of mobs was reduced, that was when it devolved into a zerg fest. If the archers and towers aren't deadly then rushing the boss becomes inevitable.
7:29 "wtf they're going under the bridge" lol
"AV sometimes lasted a day" clearly he never played vanilla. AV was know to last 2-3 days on uther.
I really wish blizzard would add more along the lines of old school alterac Valley. I personally love the pvpve dynamic,and being able to complete side objectives to give your team that slight edge.
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AV and WSG the only battlegrounds imo.
Is this #2 or #3 in the series?
Losing combo points when the target dies or switched is very frustrating 😑
When you think about what combos in fighting are, how does it make sense to keep em after switching a target or the target dying. Spoiler it doesn't
Use that attackspeed finisher on a dead target to salvage the situation. Slice and dice it is, I think.. Not sure about the english name
We just watched a kodo's ass for 16 minutes.
I began playing wow right when this patch came out. My earliest memories of vanilla involve BGs.
Can you go through each players key changes or link the text? I want to see how my class progresses and changes thanks
..."and chaos ensued" boy that sounds good,.
In the years prior to quitting wow, my PVP experience was pretty much:
This is the plan (that we always do)
We will win if we stick to the plan, anyone who doesn't is a ... [This account has been suspended for toxicity]
AV isn't Alliance biased, players being impatient and stupid as they are wont to do, gave the Alliance an edge.
The physical layout of the Battleground itself is very Horde favored on Defense. Towers are FAR easier to recapture than Bunkers, and recapturing them is the timed event, not capturing them. And Frostwolf Village's massive LOS breaks turn sieging it into more of a nightmare than the Bridge. AV is Horde favored, it's just that mutual zerging is the norm, completely invalidating the massive advantages Horde has in Defending, because defending and long BGs are boring, so zerg zerg zerg!
intro music is very high ...