Thank you Siba. You were very professional and fair to king Nala.All I can say is that, "please fellow Christians, let us be thinkers and follow the truth and discern.
I have been following this discussion and I must say that I have heard many instances where Prof mentioned possible scribal errors, omissions and different accounts of events but I have not heard him point out a single Bible contradiction (in my understanding of what contradiction means). It really seems like he is intent on classifying everything as a contradiction so that he can discredit the integrity of the Bible. Classifying them correctly as errors would not be sufficient for him to discredit the Bible because errors do not prove a lack of integrity. Dr Jiyane explained it clearly, there are no Bible contradictions but only scribal errors due to human interpretation and that is something that perhaps needs to be acknowledged by Christians. My view is that those errors do not affect the overall integrity of the Bible.
@@thobelandlebe4634 But how is that a contradiction? At best, that is an “inaccuracy” or “different accounts of dates by the authors/interpreters” and as Dr Jiyane explained, all historical dates are estimations, they can never be accurate. It would not be a bad idea to revisit the definition of a contradiction.
@@glenmash2363 Sir, I am not arguing on his behalf. I am merely referring you to his one of his earlier statement. I agree with you that it is inaccuracies that he is perhaps referring to. What I will state however that I have found some interesting inconsistencies in both the text and the beliefs of those who have embraced them. If you have studied eschatology, you will know what I am referring to. An example of this are the different schools of thought that exist in the theology of the rapture. There are those who believe in the pre tribulation rapture and then there are those who believe in the post tribulation rapture. Both sets of beliefs (camps) posit their own views on this matter. This is one of many that exist.
Written history must be accurate because it is recorded, and the bible does not say approximately. It just says what happened as a fact. The problem with the Bible is the Canon that was decided by the counsels, that we don't know what their agenda was when they omit other books. The story of Messiah is so ancient that it is found in other ancient records, and it was developed from astrological studies.
Doctor Jiyani thank u very much I know u had so much to say but bcz the time was very short....once again thanks doc u made a justice for me...viva siba
Again Dr/Prof Nala is saying Christians are arrogant but he always talk with a veiled arrogance towards Christians. Go to most of his vidios where he is criticising Christians and listen if he respects them as he demands to be respected, again we respect him as an elder but he must not force us to bow to him like a Nala nation/plentians does. I truly respect his belief but he must also respect Christians, most of his teachings against Christianity are showing no respect towards Christians/Christianity.
I think Dr Jiyane did an amazing job explaining everything honestly speaking I think now it’s up to you as a Christian to make your own research if you want to dig deeper and also pray that the holy spirit helps you to understand.
Mr Nala I don’t think I am ready for this because Christianity isifundise ukungakwazi uku reason inqondo ivalelwa ekopini icindezelwe ngebhayibheli ukuze ungabi nemibuzo nokwenza your own research Thank you Baba neninabo lapho studio ukusufundisa ukuthi singakhuluma ngama Topics anjena singavukelwa umoya wengxabano ngoba kona imibuzo miningi
If anyone is interested in this topic please read Dr. Kenneth Kitchen "the reliability of the Old Testament" and Dr. Peter Williams "Can we trust the Gospels."
This show really stretched my mind and it's good. The difference between Dr/prof HQ Nala and Dr Jiyane is: prof Nala knows verses but Dr Jiyane knows the Bible that's why u Prof is capitalising on verses that everyone can read but u Dr Jiyane goes beyond that. Let us agree bafethu without supporting any of the two speakers, this man yakwa Jiyane has knowledge unless I want to be the supporter of ubab'uNala. Yes uSomnala is a man who is studying hard but guys this man called Dr Jiyane has a knowledge, respect to you doc. I am going to seek knowledge, again u Prof Nala is capitalising on pressing more in agitating blacks to believe that Christianity roped us our culture which is wrong for, he don't want to be criticized but look at him when he is calling Christians and judge for yourself.
Thank you for standing for the true faith not like Nala who took glory for himself instead of God....he can share it now but once he die he will suffer the consequences big time
Ngsacela namanje lisilethele ubaba u Skhakhane, hayi ngoba ngsola udokotela uJiyane but just to highlight ukuthi skhumbule sometimes we use to differ ngezinto eziningi lodokotela uJiyane lo Mr Given
@Carol Made what are properties of truth? Which truth really? Relative truth? But reletive to what? Historical truth? But where is the evidence? Baphi futhi bathi ababekhona nobukazi babo? Is it moral truth? But what is the moral standard and is the moral universally acceptable? Is the absolute truth that is transcends to all?
Arguments and debates won't help we know the truth don't be shaken let us look to Jesus the author and finisher of our faith and no one else. And let those who are blind continue to be blind and those who don't hear continue and their path slippery. at the end of the day on judgement day God will ask about how you lived and not the next person.Wayesho no Jesu Kubafundi bakhe ethi if they chase you away and reject you don't resist dust your feet,clap your hands and move on.for they have not rejected you but God himself.they rejected Jesus but he became the chief cornerstone.
Impela ngoba asinayo i freedom of choice ngokwethu outside two categories of spirits behind our thoughts or views. We can only express views either form Christ Spirit or AntiChrist spirit.
Uma sihlaziya kafushane: ukuthi bekukhulunywa ngani, isiqalo esihlokweni nokuqhakambiseka kwe nkinga; ingxoxo ngokukuqonda inkinga ngokwahlukana, kanye novela kwemimqondo emumethwe izikhulumi ngamaphuzu abekiwe kwinkulumo; isiphetho nemiphumela evaza izindlela eyahlukene okumiwe kozo. ANALYSIS: Problem identification and Results / taking a position/Viewpoint/ Resolve (which affects your walk/identity going forward, regarding your faith life). The discussion starts with the identification of a problem (that's contradicting the scriptures of the Bible). Then, the result is then a stand against the Bible and all it stands for. Now separate identities are automatically assumed and cannot be hidden because two identities are different and opposite. The behind unseen spirits or different subconscious mental positions are revealed, through concluding remarks that the Bible is not the word of God and Jesus' historical writings are false and can't be trusted nor be taken as evidence of Jesus's existence as the Christ/as exact image of God. From the discussion, we witnessed the pronounced/declaration statements or conclusions made based on an individually personalized understanding of the problem or problematization of Biblically texts. Therefore the decision can be described as follows: *PROBLEM: Contradicting scripture in Bible *CONCLUSION VIEWS: Bible is fraud vs Bible is true and the Word of God *REVEALED SPIRITS: AntiChrist spirit vs Christ Spirit
I would love to hear them, it can be a great one ,Nala does not want to call it a debate until he feels that you are not challenging him then he says he will like to debate😅😅😅
This is a good topic, but qualified to be discussed by Bible believers, to be meaningful, not to end with the situation of arguments for the sake of it or just discussion that lacks authenticity, and truthfulness. The chosen topic doesn't match the chosen guest (the one against) representing the unknown religious/faith institution. The authenticity of Bible is appropriately argued against where other religious institutions refer to their books or spell out identity of religious institutions with clearly pronounced/documented religious constitution. We can not give credibility to a debate, for or against Bible to outsiders, if they don't also bring their own book or religious constitutional standpoint that must be reflected against Bible. It is easy to give credence into a debate for example that of Bible vs Quran, because it is book vs book, if you say the Bible is incorrect or contradicting then you bring your book and show it is correct and has no contradiction. Akesibheke okwakho ukuthi bumiphi ubuqiniso. That is debating with trtuth, with personal accountability to your moral law or display of genuineness of own couscous, not just free to point to other but not me, given the platform for freedom to shoot the existing reference but can't match own frame of reference as your standard of truth. Amanga lawo and dishonest criticism. Asikho nesidingo soku defender the Bible. Why defend the Bible if you are not one who saw wrong. At least let us be shown the right against the wrong of Bible, then we can scrutinize that claim of right against the Bible as we understand it. Yini le eqhathaniswa nebhayibheli. It can't be Bible vs unknown. We will be more specific to address it biblically if known what is this “other truth” or standard of truth that is believed or must be believed against the Bible.
Christians don't want to think out the box. We are not sure that the Bible is the word of God I still maintain that I used to believe that also but then I read many books Qua'ran and The African spirituality and many more you can't read a one book and say you have a knowledge of the all. For the fact that also the people who came with the Bible are infidel. My black people we need to awake. I'm not against any religion but I want something that will liberate my people not imprison them. Cause religion especially Christianity was created to enslave the minds of the people. Common sense God said let's make men in our image who did he tell that? And who wrote that cause God didn't tell that person. Is like can you know my thoughts? Christians and mostly Africans are the ones on the bottom of the human food chain. I do believe that there is a God and I believe in one God so which God Is the right God? Islam, Christian, Judaism, Hinduism? God didn't create religion human did that's why we are all confused. We believe in a religion because of our location in the world if you are born and live in middle east you would have been a Muslim in India a Hindu in Israel a Judaism in China shangdi, But now unfortunately we are in Africa we don't have a religion of our own cause God is not religious He is spiritual that's what we are the chosen race of the most high we walk in the sun it doesn't burn us cause we are Africa. I love being black is the best thing that God has ever given me I love him so much. They won't enslave us for 400 years and give us the true God.
Error in your approach in this particular discussion and your assumptions as agreed base/rule/foundation of discussion is disqualified to stand on as premise of arguing your points of view. The assumptions cannot be used but must be debated agreed and accepted by both parties opposing parties as their singular frame to move from. Disqualified for use assumptions are, to name the few: the use and the meaning of 'WE' assumption, 'Blacks', 'Africans', 'infidels' ....... These assumptions and categories need to find commonality on both arguing groups in the beginning prior debating the topic at hand. To make sense it is important to adhere to technical principles of any debate. The premise of this debate, regarding identity, social and national categorization remains on the beliefs, religious differentials, differences in faiths, not in color, nationality and geographic locotion in the globe. It is also not a political issue, is factual incorrect that any group of people as in color identity or nationalities or as in their position as continent, HAVE A SINGULAR PARTICULAR FAITH. I think the word you used, i.e "Box" or thinking in the box, can make more sense if it is used for individual stand point, not to the grouping of self as us responsibility. Take individual responsibility not We Africans. Therefore take an individual responsibility of your own understanding and view not bringing those like you in other qualifitites/similarities/ features/common values. People will have other similarities identity but also have differences. Unfortunately this debate is about differences in matters faith and religion. Stick to the rules to meaning to your views.
Uhambe wayothwala Nala that's why sumzonda kangaka u krestu and ubaphilisa ngalamandla wenyoka nomuthi mina ngeke nje ngiloku ngijikajika nibaningi mangibheka indlela enenza ngayo kuyabinakala nithwele and wena u worse uyakhothamelwa ingako wasuka ku krestu ngoba wawungafuni kumkhothamela but wawufuna ukukhothamelwa ngokwakho...umelwe yisihogo and nawe uyakwazi loko
Ntate Nala what are u . What do u believe in ? Which religion do u belong to ? Your healing and deliverance are u doing under which God or god? Iam very confused here.
@@glenmash2363 A follower of Christ is someone who is not one with him or someone who is receiving things from him but We however have accepted and received him so that he can live in us and us living in him 🙏, so brother you can't be a follower of someone whom you live in or who lives in you. The word Christian means, the one who is like him and being like him is the same thing as being him🙏🙏🙏
@@glenmash2363 are you a saved Christian, if you are, you don't need me to tell you how many verses that one contradicts with. Read it your language and compare it with your salvation.
It seems like dr Jiyane is dancing around not answering the scriptures the king is referring too i wish the whole team can reseach this and discuss it as a full panel. It is pastor Zweli who always says give us the scripture and dr Jiyane his aguement is not scripture base. Please bring the full panel and do more research to try and answer the king, am left worried and wondering now
Wehlulwa yisono uNala, wonke umzalwana "owile" uyavama ukuthi abese criticise iBhayibheli!! Kanti makabuye, avumizono ahlambulule, Nkulunkulu uzomthethelela. Lama bandla evangeli angayifundisi noma ayimise intlambuluko, yiwona abulala ama new converts to Christianity. Confession of sins is a biblical doctrine. Js. 5:16; 2Cor.7:1; 1Jn.1:9; Ps. 51:1-4 (after king David had committed adultery with Bathsheba and murdered Uriah her husband) Confession of sins my brother, is a means by which God restores us after we had fumbled. God knows that we love Him and seek to have a relationship with Him. While God is aware that we will falter on the way, and that our spirit had been born anew, the sin we commit is in our flesh. Our flesh ain't goin' to heaven! But people who have seen us "fall" must see us cleans ourselves ritualistcally, in order not to sully our faith and conduct. We must appear to be sorry for our mistakes and not just be blaze about our shortcomings! Buya mzalwana, usathandwa ekhaya, remember imbi indawo ongaya kuyona uma uyiqinisa!! Suk wena umdedele umuntu omdala osewafa nokufa futhi! Amen! And Praise the Lord!
Pastor Jiyane did an amazing job he explained everything well, unfortunately when you already have negative connotations towards the bible or Christian religion it will be difficult for you to hear his response.
babNala unfortunately because there’s no standard in which we can use to measure your own beliefs and we’re just expected to take your word for it and some miracles you have done that is not enough. The same measures you use to measure Christian doctrine have to be used for your religion as well.
I think ubaba uNala won this talk or debate. I don't agree with him about contradictions and also I feel ukuthi u-Doctor failed to engage uMnala with his verses. God's word is not a theory... Next time please prove someone wrong by quoting scriptures to debunk the wrong teaching not theories. Doctor Nala won because he proved all his points. Come on Christians we can do better than this. God help us. 🙏
There are contradictions in the New Testament as pointed out by King Somnala, let's not spin the facts that are obvious. There is also no certainty as to who wrote the gospels i.e. all gospels were written by anonymous writers and they were written between 40-70 years after Jesus died. In fact, none of the apostles of Jesus wrote anything about Jesus. Biblical scholars agree on this matter. The authors of the gospels were decided by the church elders when they were canonizing the bible. Now, not only are there contradictions in the New Testament, but there are also interpolations i.e. texts that were added about 400 years after the early manuscripts were written. In short, the New Testament is a well-composed fiction that was intended to override the sacred scriptures that were renamed as Old Testament so that you and I should find the New Testament more relevant than what was dubbed, the Old Testament.
Nala was never a true Christian and never had or experience the Holy spirit that's why he is against Christianity,all he need to do is asking for forgiveness from God and repent
Ngiyabesaba labo baba bama Khrestu abafisi ukuthi isizwe esimnyama sikhululeke. Dr Jiyane is hard at brainwashing abantu laba abangama khrestu. Umdali uzophendula kabuhlungu ngiydabuka
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣, sewabuya ujesu asazi Thina. There's one thing we know Jesus Christ is white and we're black according to white people. When we die we will go and wait with our families.
For me I think we are at a time where we need to admit that the Bible in itself is not the word of God 🤞 But in doing that we need to also thank it for revealing the character and personality of the word of God (Christ) because today we know how to distinguish between the spirit of Christ and the spirit of the Satan.
Thank you Dr. Jiyane ngokumela ivangeli likaKrestu ngesibindi. Iya ne kubi la enyango. Sihawukele Jehova singalahlwa sesihambe kangaka.
Gobhozi mele abuye Siba azoxolisa ku Baba Nala, wakhuluma kabi kona
We thank u Pst Siba😊
I really don't remember why I believed in jesus, ngaphandle nje kokusaba isihogo no kuya ezulwini. This talk really opened my mind
Thank you Siba. You were very professional and fair to king Nala.All I can say is that, "please fellow Christians, let us be thinkers and follow the truth and discern.
Very insightful topic...what I conclude we need more vessels like Dr Jiyane in the body of Christ, to tackle 'amaAntiChrist' otherwise we are doomed!
Mr Nala is a good narrator of confussion...
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I have been following this discussion and I must say that I have heard many instances where Prof mentioned possible scribal errors, omissions and different accounts of events but I have not heard him point out a single Bible contradiction (in my understanding of what contradiction means). It really seems like he is intent on classifying everything as a contradiction so that he can discredit the integrity of the Bible. Classifying them correctly as errors would not be sufficient for him to discredit the Bible because errors do not prove a lack of integrity.
Dr Jiyane explained it clearly, there are no Bible contradictions but only scribal errors due to human interpretation and that is something that perhaps needs to be acknowledged by Christians. My view is that those errors do not affect the overall integrity of the Bible.
But he pointed to the dating of the birth of Jesus according to the different gospels as a starting point. Did you not hear that?
@@thobelandlebe4634 But how is that a contradiction? At best, that is an “inaccuracy” or “different accounts of dates by the authors/interpreters” and as Dr Jiyane explained, all historical dates are estimations, they can never be accurate.
It would not be a bad idea to revisit the definition of a contradiction.
@@glenmash2363 Sir, I am not arguing on his behalf. I am merely referring you to his one of his earlier statement. I agree with you that it is inaccuracies that he is perhaps referring to. What I will state however that I have found some interesting inconsistencies in both the text and the beliefs of those who have embraced them. If you have studied eschatology, you will know what I am referring to. An example of this are the different schools of thought that exist in the theology of the rapture. There are those who believe in the pre tribulation rapture and then there are those who believe in the post tribulation rapture. Both sets of beliefs (camps) posit their own views on this matter. This is one of many that exist.
😂😂true that
Written history must be accurate because it is recorded, and the bible does not say approximately. It just says what happened as a fact.
The problem with the Bible is the Canon that was decided by the counsels, that we don't know what their agenda was when they omit other books.
The story of Messiah is so ancient that it is found in other ancient records, and it was developed from astrological studies.
I thank uMuntu The Holly Spirit because I've personally seen Him walking with me in The wilderness, nothing can shake me,Dr Jiyane thank you 👏👏👏
Doctor Jiyani thank u very much I know u had so much to say but bcz the time was very short....once again thanks doc u made a justice for me...viva siba
Thank you very much for this talk because it tells you to learn more rather than to fight!
Again Dr/Prof Nala is saying Christians are arrogant but he always talk with a veiled arrogance towards Christians. Go to most of his vidios where he is criticising Christians and listen if he respects them as he demands to be respected, again we respect him as an elder but he must not force us to bow to him like a Nala nation/plentians does. I truly respect his belief but he must also respect Christians, most of his teachings against Christianity are showing no respect towards Christians/Christianity.
Somnala syabonga nkosi ukusivula amehlo nokusikhulula, ngoba nami bengihlez nginemibuzo engingenazo izimpendulo zay regarding bible and Jesus, may God bless you sir🙌
Wangiphephisa dokotela jiyani ngiyabonga ngakimi iyavakala the way u explained it....Amen
I THANK GOD THE FATHER THAT I WAS FREE DELIVERED FROM BEING "CHRISTIAN"
Knowledge is power ...thanks to you Mr Jiyane
Paul spoke about this , lies so clever they sound like the truth . Don’t be moved oh Church . Jesus is God and choose to believe him not matter what !
Lendoda Nala inhlobo enenkani muntu phela vele mesedla Sono hlezi enendlela yokuzivikela
I think Dr Jiyane did an amazing job explaining everything honestly speaking I think now it’s up to you as a Christian to make your own research if you want to dig deeper and also pray that the holy spirit helps you to understand.
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Inspiringphilosophy is one of the great apologist. Please visit his channel for the so-called Bible contractions.
I love Dr Jiyana🔥🔥 ngase ake avele uApostle Neo Radebe
This was a productive talk show...
Is Nala now equating himself to God that his name can do miracle
Baba Jiyane...Siyabonga! Ushayile..
Mr Nala I don’t think I am ready for this because Christianity isifundise ukungakwazi uku reason inqondo ivalelwa ekopini icindezelwe ngebhayibheli ukuze ungabi nemibuzo nokwenza your own research Thank you Baba neninabo lapho studio ukusufundisa ukuthi singakhuluma ngama Topics anjena singavukelwa umoya wengxabano ngoba kona imibuzo miningi
Ngiyabonga Babu Jiyane haleluya wayichaza lendaba
Funny how much we know about things that happened before CE and yet we do not know what happened in 1651.
Dr Jiyane syabonga baba ulwazi olunzulu onalo 🤝
Ilike this
Conversation
King Somnala😊
I can agree with pastor Zweli🎉🎉🎉🎉
Akukho fair ukukholwa uma ungancwadile ngoke Bible ngoba sizozimoshela isikhathi.
Power Mr Jiyane
If anyone is interested in this topic please read Dr. Kenneth Kitchen "the reliability of the Old Testament" and Dr. Peter Williams "Can we trust the Gospels."
This show really stretched my mind and it's good. The difference between Dr/prof HQ Nala and Dr Jiyane is: prof Nala knows verses but Dr Jiyane knows the Bible that's why u Prof is capitalising on verses that everyone can read but u Dr Jiyane goes beyond that. Let us agree bafethu without supporting any of the two speakers, this man yakwa Jiyane has knowledge unless I want to be the supporter of ubab'uNala. Yes uSomnala is a man who is studying hard but guys this man called Dr Jiyane has a knowledge, respect to you doc. I am going to seek knowledge, again u Prof Nala is capitalising on pressing more in agitating blacks to believe that Christianity roped us our culture which is wrong for, he don't want to be criticized but look at him when he is calling Christians and judge for yourself.
Enlightening conversation. Asbonge Siba and your panel. 🙌🏾
Sound quality was bad. Sicela kulungiswe.
Ave eyingozi umuntu obesindisiwe mangabe esedukile wenza i dilema yodwa
Ushayile baba Giyane to defend iGosbel kusiza lah ukuzikhalima ngengcwadi komthetho
Saze samlimazi skhathi ubaba waze walahlekela lukholo lwakhe lwasekqaleni. Yini ebalulekile eskhathini
Thank you for standing for the true faith not like Nala who took glory for himself instead of God....he can share it now but once he die he will suffer the consequences big time
Ngsacela namanje lisilethele ubaba u Skhakhane, hayi ngoba ngsola udokotela uJiyane but just to highlight ukuthi skhumbule sometimes we use to differ ngezinto eziningi lodokotela uJiyane lo Mr Given
Vele vele u king Nala ushlulile😂😂😂
Ingoba ukhuluma iqiniso
@Carol Made what are properties of truth? Which truth really? Relative truth? But reletive to what? Historical truth? But where is the evidence? Baphi futhi bathi ababekhona nobukazi babo? Is it moral truth? But what is the moral standard and is the moral universally acceptable? Is the absolute truth that is transcends to all?
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I really need them to invite Apostle V.B.Mahlaba we CKC ake ezokhuluma no Nala hayi u Nala nfathi uthunywe usathane uzo twister ubu cristu nje
Arguments and debates won't help we know the truth don't be shaken let us look to Jesus the author and finisher of our faith and no one else. And let those who are blind continue to be blind and those who don't hear continue and their path slippery. at the end of the day on judgement day God will ask about how you lived and not the next person.Wayesho no Jesu Kubafundi bakhe ethi if they chase you away and reject you don't resist dust your feet,clap your hands and move on.for they have not rejected you but God himself.they rejected Jesus but he became the chief cornerstone.
Impela ngoba asinayo i freedom of choice ngokwethu outside two categories of spirits behind our thoughts or views. We can only express views either form Christ Spirit or AntiChrist spirit.
Imfeketho le, ngolimu lwesizulu. Yini inhloso ye discussion. Ekugcineni yini eyezenzekayo nge discussion, noma ukuthuluma nje like any
Uma sihlaziya kafushane: ukuthi bekukhulunywa ngani, isiqalo esihlokweni nokuqhakambiseka kwe nkinga; ingxoxo ngokukuqonda inkinga ngokwahlukana, kanye novela kwemimqondo emumethwe izikhulumi ngamaphuzu abekiwe kwinkulumo; isiphetho nemiphumela evaza izindlela eyahlukene okumiwe kozo.
ANALYSIS: Problem identification and Results / taking a position/Viewpoint/ Resolve (which affects your walk/identity going forward, regarding your faith life).
The discussion starts with the identification of a problem (that's contradicting the scriptures of the Bible). Then, the result is then a stand against the Bible and all it stands for.
Now separate identities are automatically assumed and cannot be hidden because two identities are different and opposite. The behind unseen spirits or different subconscious mental positions are revealed, through concluding remarks that the Bible is not the word of God and Jesus' historical writings are false and can't be trusted nor be taken as evidence of Jesus's existence as the Christ/as exact image of God.
From the discussion, we witnessed the pronounced/declaration statements or conclusions made based on an individually personalized understanding of the problem or problematization of Biblically texts.
Therefore the decision can be described as follows:
*PROBLEM: Contradicting scripture in Bible
*CONCLUSION VIEWS: Bible is fraud vs Bible is true and the Word of God
*REVEALED SPIRITS: AntiChrist spirit vs Christ Spirit
Mina nje ngiqala ukumbona angizange ngimthembe ngabuka ukugunda kwakhe wenza izinto zabafana abncane yooo kanti imali injani
Kusho wena abukho ubukazi ngokushoyo is your story Mr nala
Can you please bring Pastor Given to have this talk with Sir Nala because I believe Doctor is avoiding some questions asked by Mr Nala
Bazoxabana labo, ngoba umuzwa nje Nala embiza ngo boy😂
I would love to hear them, it can be a great one ,Nala does not want to call it a debate until he feels that you are not challenging him then he says he will like to debate😅😅😅
Ngiyazithanda lezingxoxo ngoba ngiyafunda
umrNala uzokphendula konke enimbuzaKona khululekan😮 and Sizoziyela kuye njengeMK vele akabizan akaNcengimunt😅 but Sthanda iphilosophy nePlontiologist yakhe🤔 kungenzeka syeka impileNcono gyz🤦♀️
Dr Jiyane Angikaze ngimuzwe ekhuluma ngoMoya Ongcwele….🤔….ukhuluma ngokufunda but le kaMoya Ongcwele ukuthi uyosifundisa kinke aangikaze ngimuzwe ekhuluma ngayo🤔
Ngakho Jesu ethi usoshiya noMoya oyigcwele oyakusifundisa konke wayaz kuth kuyoba nje siyabonga baba Jiyane kumela ivangeli lika Krestu
Very true, ubab' uNala is manipulating the Bible scriptures for his own beliefs, which is true according to his belief but according to the Bible no.
Which religion are true according to the Bible in this world? Because many religions are not true according to the Bible Mathew 7;21-23,1JOHN 4;1.
I respect Dr Jiyane even thou ndihamba nobabu Nala ngokwefacts ezibekiwe
Facts? Examples are...
Sorry on Jesus is King ,🙃
It will be fair enough for Gobhozi to engage with Nala
That would be a great segment and really unpack these "contradictions" to get to the bottom line of this issue
This is a good topic, but qualified to be discussed by Bible believers, to be meaningful, not to end with the situation of arguments for the sake of it or just discussion that lacks authenticity, and truthfulness.
The chosen topic doesn't match the chosen guest (the one against) representing the unknown religious/faith institution. The authenticity of Bible is appropriately argued against where other religious institutions refer to their books or spell out identity of religious institutions with clearly pronounced/documented religious constitution.
We can not give credibility to a debate, for or against Bible to outsiders, if they don't also bring their own book or religious constitutional standpoint that must be reflected against Bible. It is easy to give credence into a debate for example that of Bible vs Quran, because it is book vs book, if you say the Bible is incorrect or contradicting then you bring your book and show it is correct and has no contradiction. Akesibheke okwakho ukuthi bumiphi ubuqiniso. That is debating with trtuth, with personal accountability to your moral law or display of genuineness of own couscous, not just free to point to other but not me, given the platform for freedom to shoot the existing reference but can't match own frame of reference as your standard of truth. Amanga lawo and dishonest criticism.
Asikho nesidingo soku defender the Bible. Why defend the Bible if you are not one who saw wrong. At least let us be shown the right against the wrong of Bible, then we can scrutinize that claim of right against the Bible as we understand it. Yini le eqhathaniswa nebhayibheli. It can't be Bible vs unknown. We will be more specific to address it biblically if known what is this “other truth” or standard of truth that is believed or must be believed against the Bible.
Christians don't want to think out the box. We are not sure that the Bible is the word of God I still maintain that I used to believe that also but then I read many books Qua'ran and The African spirituality and many more you can't read a one book and say you have a knowledge of the all. For the fact that also the people who came with the Bible are infidel. My black people we need to awake. I'm not against any religion but I want something that will liberate my people not imprison them. Cause religion especially Christianity was created to enslave the minds of the people. Common sense God said let's make men in our image who did he tell that? And who wrote that cause God didn't tell that person. Is like can you know my thoughts? Christians and mostly Africans are the ones on the bottom of the human food chain. I do believe that there is a God and I believe in one God so which God Is the right God? Islam, Christian, Judaism, Hinduism? God didn't create religion human did that's why we are all confused. We believe in a religion because of our location in the world if you are born and live in middle east you would have been a Muslim in India a Hindu in Israel a Judaism in China shangdi, But now unfortunately we are in Africa we don't have a religion of our own cause God is not religious He is spiritual that's what we are the chosen race of the most high we walk in the sun it doesn't burn us cause we are Africa. I love being black is the best thing that God has ever given me I love him so much. They won't enslave us for 400 years and give us the true God.
Error in your approach in this particular discussion and your assumptions as agreed base/rule/foundation of discussion is disqualified to stand on as premise of arguing your points of view.
The assumptions cannot be used but must be debated agreed and accepted by both parties opposing parties as their singular frame to move from.
Disqualified for use assumptions are, to name the few: the use and the meaning of 'WE' assumption, 'Blacks', 'Africans', 'infidels' .......
These assumptions and categories need to find commonality on both arguing groups in the beginning prior debating the topic at hand. To make sense it is important to adhere to technical principles of any debate.
The premise of this debate, regarding identity, social and national categorization remains on the beliefs, religious differentials, differences in faiths, not in color, nationality and geographic locotion in the globe. It is also not a political issue, is factual incorrect that any group of people as in color identity or nationalities or as in their position as continent, HAVE A SINGULAR PARTICULAR FAITH.
I think the word you used, i.e "Box" or thinking in the box, can make more sense if it is used for individual stand point, not to the grouping of self as us responsibility. Take individual responsibility not We Africans.
Therefore take an individual responsibility of your own understanding and view not bringing those like you in other qualifitites/similarities/ features/common values. People will have other similarities identity but also have differences.
Unfortunately this debate is about differences in matters faith and religion.
Stick to the rules to meaning to your views.
😂😂😂 hair style ka Nala
Uhambe wayothwala Nala that's why sumzonda kangaka u krestu and ubaphilisa ngalamandla wenyoka nomuthi mina ngeke nje ngiloku ngijikajika nibaningi mangibheka indlela enenza ngayo kuyabinakala nithwele and wena u worse uyakhothamelwa ingako wasuka ku krestu ngoba wawungafuni kumkhothamela but wawufuna ukukhothamelwa ngokwakho...umelwe yisihogo and nawe uyakwazi loko
😂😂😂myb ksasa uyokphilisa ngayo lenyokaYakhe
If Paul was not in the bible then as a Christian I would believe bible is unified in theme
Ntate Nala what are u . What do u believe in ? Which religion do u belong to ? Your healing and deliverance are u doing under which God or god? Iam very confused here.
What special your name nala
Human nala wants to possess power also...
Matthew unama shares emalini leyatsengisa Jesu😂
What is king Somnala Official channel here on youtube. I need to Learn more
Kingsomnala - Nala mandate
In reality salvation is not really about believing but it's about knowing that you are Christ and Christ is you.
But first you must know who is this Christ. That is the basis of Prof Nala talk
@@somnalaonlinetv3842 Yes🙏 but as long as you don't reduce him into a human being or flesh.
Salvation is about knowing Christ, and there is only one Christ. We are not “Christs”, we are Christians (followers of Christ).
@@glenmash2363 A follower of Christ is someone who is not one with him or someone who is receiving things from him but We however have accepted and received him so that he can live in us and us living in him 🙏, so brother you can't be a follower of someone whom you live in or who lives in you.
The word Christian means, the one who is like him and being like him is the same thing as being him🙏🙏🙏
@Funda - Being like someone is not the same as being that person. You are not Christ, don’t mislead us 🤚🏾
We need to accept the fact the bible contradict itself and just get comfortable with it
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Where... How...? What...?
@@mikekulati7526 what do you make of 1 Corinthians 7: 14? Just get comfortable that scriptures do contradict somehow and that won't damage your faith.
@Linda, how is that verse a contradiction? Which other part of the Bible does it go against?
@@glenmash2363 are you a saved Christian, if you are, you don't need me to tell you how many verses that one contradicts with. Read it your language and compare it with your salvation.
Is Nala exactly sure about the year Shaka was born? Or he's against Christ because he serves another God,is there any eyewitness about Shaka?
Naze nazihlupha babujiyane ngalobaba ubuswa inyoka ismgwinyile iyamcontrola manje lomuntu uneqwaba yabafazi udayisa amanzi amathawula yonke lenishinishi ngenxa yemali izbuko lezi azifaka ubusuku nemin uthwele losomnala king musa ukudlala ngabantwana bakaNkulunkulu uzojeza kunzima nkos yakwanala
Ibizele zikhali lendoda
If you need to learn more about what Prof HQ Nala beleives and teaches, here is his TH-cam channels: th-cam.com/channels/mBl_AFtz5mkMkJb29yyqjQ.html
SoMNALA uyibeke yacaca
It seems like dr Jiyane is dancing around not answering the scriptures the king is referring too i wish the whole team can reseach this and discuss it as a full panel. It is pastor Zweli who always says give us the scripture and dr Jiyane his aguement is not scripture base. Please bring the full panel and do more research to try and answer the king, am left worried and wondering now
Dr Jiyane is authorized to quote his book but Nala must use his book not the Bible
Wehlulwa yisono uNala, wonke umzalwana "owile" uyavama ukuthi abese criticise iBhayibheli!!
Kanti makabuye, avumizono ahlambulule, Nkulunkulu uzomthethelela.
Lama bandla evangeli angayifundisi noma ayimise intlambuluko, yiwona abulala ama new converts to Christianity.
Confession of sins is a biblical doctrine. Js. 5:16; 2Cor.7:1; 1Jn.1:9; Ps. 51:1-4 (after king David had committed adultery with Bathsheba and murdered Uriah her husband)
Confession of sins my brother, is a means by which God restores us after we had fumbled. God knows that we love Him and seek to have a relationship with Him.
While God is aware that we will falter on the way, and that our spirit had been born anew, the sin we commit is in our flesh. Our flesh ain't goin' to heaven! But people who have seen us "fall" must see us cleans ourselves ritualistcally, in order not to sully our faith and conduct. We must appear to be sorry for our mistakes and not just be blaze about our shortcomings!
Buya mzalwana, usathandwa ekhaya, remember imbi indawo ongaya kuyona uma uyiqinisa!!
Suk wena umdedele umuntu omdala osewafa nokufa futhi! Amen! And Praise the Lord!
Pastor Jiyane did an amazing job he explained everything well, unfortunately when you already have negative connotations towards the bible or Christian religion it will be difficult for you to hear his response.
@@mbalimoloi1822 🙏
KING SOMNALA IS SIMPLE AND STRAIGHT FORWAD....ukuth lapha ebhayibhelini ababhali bakhona bachaza ngodaba olulodwa koda bakhulume izinto ezingafani
Okwenza istory sigcine sesingasazwakali nhlobo sesiphikisana
babNala unfortunately because there’s no standard in which we can use to measure your own beliefs and we’re just expected to take your word for it and some miracles you have done that is not enough. The same measures you use to measure Christian doctrine have to be used for your religion as well.
I think ubaba uNala won this talk or debate. I don't agree with him about contradictions and also I feel ukuthi u-Doctor failed to engage uMnala with his verses. God's word is not a theory... Next time please prove someone wrong by quoting scriptures to debunk the wrong teaching not theories. Doctor Nala won because he proved all his points. Come on Christians we can do better than this. God help us. 🙏
Human Nala is very willing to be a god🙆 but unfortunately his man...
There are contradictions in the New Testament as pointed out by King Somnala, let's not spin the facts that are obvious. There is also no certainty as to who wrote the gospels i.e. all gospels were written by anonymous writers and they were written between 40-70 years after Jesus died. In fact, none of the apostles of Jesus wrote anything about Jesus. Biblical scholars agree on this matter. The authors of the gospels were decided by the church elders when they were canonizing the bible. Now, not only are there contradictions in the New Testament, but there are also interpolations i.e. texts that were added about 400 years after the early manuscripts were written. In short, the New Testament is a well-composed fiction that was intended to override the sacred scriptures that were renamed as Old Testament so that you and I should find the New Testament more relevant than what was dubbed, the Old Testament.
True 😂😂😂😂
The greatest enemy of God is religion
This guy has not met a person who's had an experience with God nje qha.
Nala was never a true Christian and never had or experience the Holy spirit that's why he is against Christianity,all he need to do is asking for forgiveness from God and repent
Holly spirit is not Christian element 😂😂😂😂😂
2PETER 3:16.
Nala don't know nothing, he is just bubbling
Ngiyabesaba labo baba bama Khrestu abafisi ukuthi isizwe esimnyama sikhululeke. Dr Jiyane is hard at brainwashing abantu laba abangama khrestu. Umdali uzophendula kabuhlungu ngiydabuka
Jesus is coming very soon
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣, sewabuya ujesu asazi Thina. There's one thing we know Jesus Christ is white and we're black according to white people. When we die we will go and wait with our families.
For me I think we are at a time where we need to admit that the Bible in itself is not the word of God 🤞
But in doing that we need to also thank it for revealing the character and personality of the word of God (Christ) because today we know how to distinguish between the spirit of Christ and the spirit of the Satan.
I see the Bible as a book that contains /teaches the word of God.
So if someone is asking, What is the word of God 🤔 What would you say?
@@FundaL1989 JESUS is the word of GOD!
@@vuyimaya6340 Exactly🤒🤒🤒
Thank you Dr. Jiyane ngokumela ivangeli likaKrestu ngesibindi. Iya ne kubi la enyango. Sihawukele Jehova singalahlwa sesihambe kangaka.
Inkosi iyibeka into icace kuphela mongalifun iqiniso uzophika njeee