been waiting for this - very good explanation !! the "fake it till you make it" philosophy is very prevelant in EIE lives btw lol. I've watched a lot of ur videos recently and i don't get how u got typed as an SLE when you are clearly Ne base and not rly se valuing 😭 extra surprising considering the guy who typed u seemed like a pretty good socionicst too
Check out differences in methodology and definitions - they vary a lot when we compare WSS take and Archetype Centre take on Socionics, talks between Timur and Jack are good starting point to see the divide. One of the biggest differences is that WSS puts "Will" under Extraverted Sensing while in Archetype intepretations this phenomena is unrelated with that Information Element. So if you "absorbed" a lot of interpretations of WSS and you are focused on this school of Socion you won't see what Archetype calls Black Sensing or "valued Black Sensing" in Jack interpretations of the world. In Archetype take Jack as SLE fits fairly well - I tried to debunk it with their methodology, as much as I've got it, but there was really not much of Black Intuition in Jack narratives.
@@stiken4421 the problem is that Timur's approach basically stripped out a lot of the meaning of Socionics and put it in PsycheYoga, leaving Socionics a bit of a meaningless shell. In addition, you say that I "fit fairly well" SLE in the Archetype school, but I asked my wife to read the description of SLE written and provided by Timur and she said it sounded nothing like me. So, Timur's approach isn't very good.
@@WorldSocionics It "stripped out a lot of" things that should not be related with Socion while making it clearer, and about Information Metabolism. Archetype, along with School of System Socionics, seems to be most clear about their principles of all the schools I've seen until now. Psychosophy is totally diffrent typology, created as a critique of Socion (while paying honors to Aushra works) and ended up as a very good addition to Socionics, while being independent at the same time. Both systems are existing separately, their usage depeds on "what part of psyche one want to explore", what questions one wants to have answered. And Socionics is not left as "meaningless shell" by Psychosophy users ;D About "SLEism" - what you will do with being typed this way is up to you, may as well ignore it. I won't force feed you with that. I simply consider that typing as valid based upon materials that are avaible (your interviews, videos, questionnaires, online activity) and AC methodology applied.
@Stiken Less is not always more. Socionics is a metaphysical theory, it deals with information. Therefore everything that can be given to us as information, in other words, everything, is information. Willpower and other concepts in Psychosophy belong already in Socionics and no clear argument has been given for how it would be otherwise. A justification is needed for these reassignments that throw Occam's rasor to the floor. What is left in Timur's socionics is vacuous. There isn't much that is left to an SLE once you strip away volition and file it away in a different system. In doing this the necessity of Psychosophy is artificially created, much as the purchase of a crutch is made necessary by severing a man's leg. You say I should do with this typing as I will. That's a burying of your head in the sand. If the method was followed perfectly and validly, and it still does not describe what it sets out to describe, then the methodology is wrong.
I appreciated this very much , and this should reveal that most of these people are not Ni-fe , that claim it especially ones who say simple minded myopic things like they don't like astrology, occult , esoteric or metaphysics yet not knowing carl jung and many who they respect from the past did like and use astrology because its more than a bloody star sign even more when i hear rejections of psychic phenomena or things like precognition, or presentiment, but the topics that they choose to talk about the whole anti spiritual vibe , the lack of concern for the future or something bigger, thank you for mentioning and validating our claircognizance and clairvoyance. like how can you claim ni-fe while looking like the whole last man slave creature comfort passive nihilism red pill stuff its one thing to have bum days when no one is looking ,but how dare you present yourself online with a dirty plain background or poorly dressed or bad fashion unkept and unprepared while on camera for all to see forever ,because its on the internet which means even when you're 80 ,as tech progresses you will be able to look back and see how not only stupid you sounded ,but how tacky you were dressed lol which is one of the reasons why i don't do videos i know imma look back at myself and call myself a dumb ass lol most of social media especially typology communities are anti truth and toxic positivity, so again no real ni-fe making videos or being interviewed , but i will be honest and say have seen some in the comments, some that i even thought it was something i wrote myself. omg yes i hate explaining myself it just makes me angry its one thing when im monologuing but i kinda just wish that everyone had telepathy ,that way they could just read my mind and understand or i could project a mental image or make them experience what i need them to simply from mind to mind but yes all these emotionally / viscerally meek people claiming ni-fe , they speak nothing like a ni-fe but yet cannot emote and have no charisma whatsoever and especially their backgrounds (the walls behind them ) or lives that they live or have lived or people who they are connected with. thank you for mentioning the ntj comparison thank you for mentioning the conquerors too it is slave labor! and i grew up hard still haven't adapted i can just endure better this is why i said that IEI is Dionysus (the real one not the Christianized version) like how dare people try to say Hestia, like Hestia is ESE or SEI This is why i say type is for healing and can create a better future rather than be mocked in the way its being used , it can heal families is used correctly , people stop using typology for larping and cosplay just to hook up I really appreciate this video you and your clarity im happy with this video I hope you feel better
Yes! Yes! Yes! I want to move people. I see it as my job. All my interests are geared around that. Even the mundane in my life is geared around/toward that. I do like to provoke, not too disagreeably, I try to use charm, or humor, unless really pushed, bc I am very agreeable, and despise conflict, and long for connection, although I think I am finally outgrowing that, but to push a little, especially when I detect lies, and see them gaining momentum, then I will say something provocative out loud, or when I feel that people are lost, I will try to point them toward the way. Do you know of any great Fe + Ni painters? I wonder about Rembrandt.
Yes.I can see that. Vincent definitely the turbulent sort, if that’s a thing in socionics. Still learning here. How desperately he wanted connection. I think if the INFp can get over that need, it’s a great help. I think the connection they seek is with themselves anyway, and they have somehow been blocked from this. I think Ni acts as it does because they have somehow been forced to live divorced from themselves, and their introverted intuition pushes through into the world like dynamite, in spite of, or one could say because of, their lack of faith in the reality of themselves@@WorldSocionics
Anyone counting the number of times I say "profound"?
14+1 in the comment section.
been waiting for this - very good explanation !! the "fake it till you make it" philosophy is very prevelant in EIE lives btw lol. I've watched a lot of ur videos recently and i don't get how u got typed as an SLE when you are clearly Ne base and not rly se valuing 😭 extra surprising considering the guy who typed u seemed like a pretty good socionicst too
Check out differences in methodology and definitions - they vary a lot when we compare WSS take and Archetype Centre take on Socionics, talks between Timur and Jack are good starting point to see the divide. One of the biggest differences is that WSS puts "Will" under Extraverted Sensing while in Archetype intepretations this phenomena is unrelated with that Information Element.
So if you "absorbed" a lot of interpretations of WSS and you are focused on this school of Socion you won't see what Archetype calls Black Sensing or "valued Black Sensing" in Jack interpretations of the world.
In Archetype take Jack as SLE fits fairly well - I tried to debunk it with their methodology, as much as I've got it, but there was really not much of Black Intuition in Jack narratives.
@@stiken4421 the problem is that Timur's approach basically stripped out a lot of the meaning of Socionics and put it in PsycheYoga, leaving Socionics a bit of a meaningless shell.
In addition, you say that I "fit fairly well" SLE in the Archetype school, but I asked my wife to read the description of SLE written and provided by Timur and she said it sounded nothing like me.
So, Timur's approach isn't very good.
@@WorldSocionics It "stripped out a lot of" things that should not be related with Socion while making it clearer, and about Information Metabolism. Archetype, along with School of System Socionics, seems to be most clear about their principles of all the schools I've seen until now.
Psychosophy is totally diffrent typology, created as a critique of Socion (while paying honors to Aushra works) and ended up as a very good addition to Socionics, while being independent at the same time. Both systems are existing separately, their usage depeds on "what part of psyche one want to explore", what questions one wants to have answered. And Socionics is not left as "meaningless shell" by Psychosophy users ;D
About "SLEism" - what you will do with being typed this way is up to you, may as well ignore it. I won't force feed you with that. I simply consider that typing as valid based upon materials that are avaible (your interviews, videos, questionnaires, online activity) and AC methodology applied.
@Stiken Less is not always more. Socionics is a metaphysical theory, it deals with information. Therefore everything that can be given to us as information, in other words, everything, is information. Willpower and other concepts in Psychosophy belong already in Socionics and no clear argument has been given for how it would be otherwise. A justification is needed for these reassignments that throw Occam's rasor to the floor. What is left in Timur's socionics is vacuous. There isn't much that is left to an SLE once you strip away volition and file it away in a different system. In doing this the necessity of Psychosophy is artificially created, much as the purchase of a crutch is made necessary by severing a man's leg.
You say I should do with this typing as I will. That's a burying of your head in the sand. If the method was followed perfectly and validly, and it still does not describe what it sets out to describe, then the methodology is wrong.
@@stiken4421 tbh... thinking that hes an SLE would almost suggest that you've never met an SLE in your life
I appreciated this very much , and this should reveal that most of these people are not Ni-fe , that claim it especially ones who say simple minded myopic things like they don't like astrology, occult , esoteric or metaphysics
yet not knowing carl jung and many who they respect from the past did like and use astrology because its more than a bloody star sign
even more when i hear rejections of psychic phenomena or things like precognition, or presentiment, but the topics that they choose to talk about the whole anti spiritual vibe , the lack of concern for the future or something bigger,
thank you for mentioning and validating our claircognizance and clairvoyance.
like how can you claim ni-fe while looking like the whole last man slave creature comfort passive nihilism red pill stuff
its one thing to have bum days when no one is looking ,but how dare you present yourself online with a dirty plain background or poorly dressed or bad fashion unkept and unprepared while on camera for all to see forever ,because its on the internet which means even when you're 80 ,as tech progresses you will be able to look back and see how not only stupid you sounded ,but how tacky you were dressed lol
which is one of the reasons why i don't do videos i know imma look back at myself and call myself a dumb ass lol
most of social media especially typology communities are anti truth and toxic positivity, so again no real ni-fe making videos or being interviewed ,
but i will be honest and say have seen some in the comments, some that i even thought it was something i wrote myself.
omg yes i hate explaining myself it just makes me angry its one thing when im monologuing but i kinda just wish that everyone had telepathy ,that way they could just read my mind and understand or i could project a mental image or make them experience what i need them to simply from mind to mind
but yes all these emotionally / viscerally meek people claiming ni-fe , they speak nothing like a ni-fe but yet cannot emote and have no charisma whatsoever and especially their backgrounds (the walls behind them ) or lives that they live or have lived or people who they are connected with.
thank you for mentioning the ntj comparison
thank you for mentioning the conquerors too
it is slave labor! and i grew up hard still haven't adapted i can just endure better
this is why i said that IEI is Dionysus (the real one not the Christianized version) like how dare people try to say Hestia, like Hestia is ESE or SEI
This is why i say type is for healing and can create a better future rather than be mocked in the way its being used , it can heal families is used correctly , people stop using typology for larping and cosplay just to hook up
I really appreciate this video you and your clarity
im happy with this video I hope you feel better
I agree or something to that affect
@@amberroses7285 thank you i think
Yes! Yes! Yes! I want to move people. I see it as my job. All my interests are geared around that. Even the mundane in my life is geared around/toward that. I do like to provoke, not too disagreeably, I try to use charm, or humor, unless really pushed, bc I am very agreeable, and despise conflict, and long for connection, although I think I am finally outgrowing that, but to push a little, especially when I detect lies, and see them gaining momentum, then I will say something provocative out loud, or when I feel that people are lost, I will try to point them toward the way.
Do you know of any great Fe + Ni painters? I wonder about Rembrandt.
Toulouse Loutrec? Vincent VanGogh?
Yes.I can see that. Vincent definitely the turbulent sort, if that’s a thing in socionics. Still learning here. How desperately he wanted connection. I think if the INFp can get over that need, it’s a great help. I think the connection they seek is with themselves anyway, and they have somehow been blocked from this. I think Ni acts as it does because they have somehow been forced to live divorced from themselves, and their introverted intuition pushes through into the world like dynamite, in spite of, or one could say because of, their lack of faith in the reality of themselves@@WorldSocionics
To know what ain't so can be dangerous.
I would argue Ni sucks in past patterns that better allows it to foresee one's future.
I hate whe Fe project emotions on me to get their job done
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If that’s Fe + Ni then what’s Fi. People often say Fi is about this passionate and deep thing or idk
I think I haven't seen any descriptions about Fi with passion or deep things, either socionics or mbti. Deep feelings might be a Fi thing.
@ idk he did said Fe+Ni being super deep and passionate