Jasmine Bird indeed, he needs to calm down and be more measured which would make it much more enjoyable to listen to, I feel out of breath can’t listen anymore......😼
@@janebrettell1737 ........Totally agree Jane - Mr Morgan is a dreadful presenter and I stopped watching immediately after his [pointless] self-introduction.
@@thesoultwins72 That presentation was a disaster. "Here we can see there is smoke" "Now we know that this is water.. Here is Turner showing us the effects of light on water.." Terrible delivery. Meaningless content. Perfect encapsulation of "adult learning experience programming" British institutions nowadays.
@@powerbite92 .....It's absolutely astonishing just how poor most people are at making a relatively simple presentation. Yet according to studies on what the most important [business] competencies are - presentation skills ranks number 4!
A student teacher in an art class during my final semester in high school introduced me to Turner and it was love at first sight. Many, many years later I got to see "Temeraire" in person and started to cry when I stood in front of it. My one and only trip to England - I had two particular art goals, to see "Temeraire" and Millais' "Ophelia" which my senior honors English introduced me to that same semester. (I'm now 71.)
JMW Turner. I grew up inspired by his work. People tend to focus on his vibrant colors but it is his later work and life that is brilliantly interesting. Senior Turner was by most accounts, a stingy, private old man with somewhat an acquired bitterness in him. Yet his later work was increasingly fierce and positive. His work literally shines. Unlike many successful artists who became dull and negative in their later life, Turner somehow rebel against his aging through his works.
Turner is also one of my favorite artists. I was able to view this particular painting when it was exhibited in Los Angeles a few years ago it is rather dramatic,
To me Turner is one of the worlds greatest painters, the use of colours to obtain the effect of light scattering from objects is breathtaking, his seascapes are unparalleled, he was a complete genius, I must also add the John Constable is another genius of painting as well, and they where around at the same historical time , Britain was truly blessed
@@markmeade2937 I know as much as the limitations of being human allows, if you too have a modest understanding of the history of art you may understand why I hate Turner and I have given him many opportunities, seeing many in person, up close. I would concede his greatness on this point, I am initially repulsed then bored by his paintings and evoking such a strong emotion through paint may very well prove his greatness. I prefer Monet, Cezanne and even Klimts impressionism, Gustav is lesser known for this style but I like it's rawness and subdued pallet in comparison to Monet, although more refined and restricted than Cezanne, it is these three laid the path to today, not the misery of Turner, Constable and the Dutch Golden age of browns mixed with depression. What contemporary painting style do you enjoy today Mr Meade? If you look at Turner's raw ability laid bare in Going To Sea (1832) you may see what I see in every Turner. An oddly composed, uninspiringly sketched painting, unfortunately highlighting new softened interpretations of light with a blanket fog does not impress me. Nearly every single painting, covered in fog. What really jars me about Turner is his incorrect perspective, it is not misplaced in a jazz or golden ratio way, intelligently bringing focus to an area, it is always focusing attention to a blank boring part of the canvas, and his attempts at Venetian inspired city scapes do the masters a great disservice, in modern Rome 1839 and the decline of the Carthaginian empire the perspective is disturbingly incorrect for a draghtsman. If he dug deeper, maybe he could have used the techniques of the great artists he was impersonating, namely a pin hole camera and a ruler. It shows an over confidence and premature technical ability. He idolised Claude Lorrain, requesting his own Dido building Carthage be hung alongside Lorrain on his death, Turner's attempt is paradoxical exposed as vastly inferior. Lorrain was an undisputed master and his perspective was flawless, he had a deep and meaningful understanding of the mechanics of what is depicted. Turner did not. Not only am I repulsed by Turner's paintings, he was not someone I would have been friends with, after his Royal Academy ascension, he took the same honor away from Constable, voting against his application to join, three times. Not only was his ascension at just 14, damaging to his continued development as a great artist, he actively restricted an undeniably talented artists exposure, proliferation and opportunities. Not nice.
@@ezicarus8216 I’m just not going to agree with you, i was introduced to Turner and John Constable at an early age, around 8 years old , been to the National Gallery and have seen there work close up and love it, both there seascapes and landscapes. I love the way there paint is use to convey light and texture and as Turner got older the more abstract he became. I love Rubens , Sargent, Hans Holbein and Van Gogh . I respect your point but I’m afraid I have to disagree on this one , but I will respect your point of view and leave it at that
@@ezicarus8216 To me looking at a painting and the way it makes you feel both emotionally and the way the painting is technically painted , the colours used and whether it’s a landscape, seascape , still life or portrait is how I see a painting, drawing or pastel . I love pen and ink drawings too. All artists are different but wonderful, they bring many things to life in there artwork and that is why I have certain favourites. I have seen some very disrespectful comments on TH-cam and we are all different, o see your point and respect that point but for me a painting must move me emotionally when I look at it and both Turner and Constable do that for me. To others they don’t but me personal preference are those two great painters . Walking into the National Gallery is an explosion of colour and light , the beauty of an artist eye forever in time and space . 👍
How cool you publish these presentations. I cen comfortly sit in my living room hundreds of miles away and visit the National Gallery at the same time - in front row! Marvelous! Thank you for the presentation, good man. I tend to imagine Turner is also doing a bit of a self portrait here...
I was first introduced to this painting in the 007 movie "Skyfall" as Q & Bond sat in front of this painting to meet. It's delightful to learn more about the painter & this painting.
Turners skies were the aftermath of the eruption of Krakotao (which we call Krakatoa). The dust lingered in the stratosphere for a decade or more giving the wonderful red sunsets
Very interesting, there is so much in this painting, many questions, which raise yet more. A wonderful painting by a great artist and explanations from an entusiastic and capitvating Matthew Morgan. I chanced upon this video, and just had to watch it. The first of many I suspect. Turner was a fantastic Artist and as just a painting The Fighting Temeraire is one of his best, but it's far more than a simple painting isn't it. It's a story in itself. Wow!
Amazing 🔥🔥 Great great presentation Matthew.. (I just found causally this video cause I have to present a painting from Turner next week at the university, great inspiration).
Really interesting to contrast Mr Morgan's presentation style here to his later ones, a couple of years later... Very different demeanor, much more calm and easy-speaking. Wonder whether it was just a case of his becoming more comfortable in public speaking through continued practice, or intentionally taking instruction based on feedback received, or...? Turner's work still seems to be quite divisive even this long after its construction, but one can't help but admire his rise from the working class background of that era to being an artist at such a young age!
I think the painting can speak for itself and that trying to second guess what Turner, "really meant," can a bit of a Snark Hunt. Nonetheless this is and interesting and fun excursion, one that encourages people to think about what they're looking at. Thank you.
I came here in the hope of finally finding an explanation of what the object in the lower right is. I love this painting and have done so since I first saw it in the National Gallery 40 years ago but this cylindrical, tilted, dark object (a barrel, a bouy?) has always niggled at me. Wiki doesn't explain it in its analysis and. apparently, neither does anyone else, including Mr Morgan here. It doesn't seem necessary to the painting, unlike every other object which has emotional and symbolic value as well as visual impact. It is a mystery to me!
The dark object. Important, maybe. It is a buoy. Importantly, if you zoom into focus on it, you can see that it is itself producing it's own wake and a bow-wave. That indicates that the tug was itself pulling the Temeraire against the tide, itself signalled as maybe fighting the passage of time, fighting the natural forces that run against us all no matter how busy we are? I strongly recommend seeing the picture in real life. On the wall, it singularly lights up the entire wall of many tens of great works. On it's own one's eyes are drawn to the luminosity of the sunset/rise?? You can't not look straight at it.
He puts a period after every word. “Turner. Is. Not. Interested. In. Conveying. What. Happened. In. The. Event.” Omg... managed to listen to the while lecture only because indeed this painting is fascinating and it was a good lecture..
Yes its a sunrise and the sky is red . From the old phrase " Red sky in the morning , shepherds warning . Red sky at night , shepherds delight " , Turner is warning us that tommorow or ' the future' may not be as rosy at it would seem .
HI, I have a (what i assume to be a print ) but the age of it is unknown. of that painting, the print looks very old and frame has also has a no 6 plus on back of frame, The frame has, AC The Auto Type Comp, New Oxford st W.C London also has 74, Th print is brownish in colour not greys or black, Just been very curious on age etc,
The colors and theme are both very sellable today. Not that this piece is up for sale but a lot of old paintings are no longer desirable due to changing tastes in interior decorating.
The sunset does indicate the end of an era. By this time all of the navy's wooden walls were obsolete. I link the situation to the sad end of the Warspite, which broke it's tow on the way to being scrapped, and ran aground. A futile attempt to avoid it's fate.
When I did O-level Art, around 1980, for homework on the 'History of Art' element, I was asked to write about this painting. Obviously, nowhere as detailed, involved, or as insightful as this excellent lecture, but I did highlight that the starboard side of the Temeraire (to the left as you look at it here), looks like a (soulless/mournful) skull looking out, perhaps suggesting its imminent fate and/or that it was already dead? And yet, I've never seen *anybody* else ever pick up or suggest this. So, was it really a case of a teenager's over-active imagination or am I really the first to 'spot something' about this painting?! :o(
It's very much an elegy. (The white flag is on the mast of the tug). Is that really a beautiful sunset? Or is it symmetrical with the Temeraire -- also obscured by the thick orange smoke of that tugboat? The sunset would've been beautiful as the history of the Fighting Temeraire was heroic, but time has past, it's now old, obsolete - being hauled off to the wrecking yard. When you see a trail of smoke like this (I think Turner could've made the connection and trail a bit clearer) it also tells the story that this tow started way in the back on the right, and steadily moved to where they are seen now. The tug is also portrayed as very powerful. Dark, large, crisp. And the 'color' of water? Water has many colors or no color - as water is a(generally smeared) reflection of sky, clouds, smoke; or as in Monet it's also the obscured color casts over what's below the surface. (Did Monet in his water lilies ever actually paint 'water'? Or did he paint what was above the water, reflected in the water, floating on the surface or what's underneath the surface of the water?) And the Turner after dinner story...? I've known many artists, some of them notable. I've said things to them that stopped them in their tracks. A good idea is a good idea - especially to someone intelligent enough to not be afraid of a good idea when they hear it. My guess is that Turner saw the elements of this scene on different days, in different places with different ships. What suggests that Turner didn't actually see this exact scene is how white and ethereal the Temeraire is. I think that's more what that ship would look like obscured by haze, or at a greater distance (aerial perspective). The tug is clearly not in any haze.
isnt the point of art to allow each person their own interpretation of the piece in question? if i do not know anything of turner...certainly this painting takes on a different meaning then had i known everything of the mans life.... this picture..says every thing ends...and few take note of it...and it is ONLY through rigid retrospection...does it come alive again..sad of course because...no matter ones memory....death is an ending....and turner is doing his best to keep the Temeraire ....alive....
What a fanciful dialogue of hogwash! A tapestry of fiction held together with strands of conjecture, hypothesis, surmise and subjective interpretation, held together with a veneer of academic approval!
J.M.W.T. a.k.a. " The painter in the mists " at times also painted pictures where one is able to make out definite shapes, sometimes even events. Pity that this was not always the case.
My favourite painting is in the Liverpool Walker Gallery. "A landscape (1850)" A misty brown painting that takes an age to fully distinguish a reed bed, a brook, a castle.
I wanted to learn about Turner paintings, this one in particular. Problem, the lecturer seems to be conducting an orchestra as much as talking about the painting. Two minutes of this, adios.
His style of presentation is testing at times. Those big arm movements and every second word heavily emphasized made listening to this something of an ordeal. Also, I found some of his speculations both banal and far-fetched. Art, it seems, is an area rife with nonsense and hysteria, obviously lacking any objective criteria for what is good and what is not good. Anything goes.
With the sun in that position you cannot have the full moon in that position. The moon would appear as a half moon. The sun is near mountains, so if that is the Thames, this cannot be looking toward the East as there are no mountains in the sea beyond the estuary, so it's either looking toward London (which could be, then, a sunset) or is some specific view of some specific arm of the estuary. A credible, realistic sunset in the real scene cannot be ruled out.
Not on the Thames, surely! The direction of the sunset is almost impossible. It could have been the Medway. After all the ship was being towed from Sheerness - which is on the Medway.
Keep your frigging arms still, like watching a demented windmill….but then I’m not a big fan of Turner….there was never ever a sky that looked like that.
Good introduction to Turner and I enjoyed this. However, he looks like a tic tac man though with arms flying everywhere like a marionette and although that is enthusiasm unleashed; it is also seen as a very distracting habit with most professional speakers.
Turner isn’t one of my favourite artists, but I appreciate his artistry. The presenter needs to calm down and compose his words. Breathless and his arms are flailing around making it hard to watch.
Yes, this is an interesting story. But,... Lecturer. Really. Should. Not. Move. That. Much. In. Front. Of. The. Painting,... It does destruct concentration badly.
The vessel being towed was sold by the navy and it is floating high because much of the weight of armament and heavy metals must have been removed. I was glad that I was not the only person who found the narrator’s enthusiasm” (hand gesturing, mostly) very distracting. This lecture should help students to remember to dress well, make and use notes, focus, take deep breaths and practice.
Even so, she did sit high in the water, almost like a moving castle. I think she had four gun decks one over the other. There is at least one painting (sorry can't remember what) showing several ships of the line in formation with smaller ships, mainly frigates, near them. The ships of the line are vast, towering over any other vessel. Maybe the film "Master and Commander" has a scene of the fighting formation.
I've been to several of Matthews lectures and they are always insightful, interesting and entertaining. A couple of years ago he took a group of us around some nativity scenes and his knowledge of the Bible added to that of the paintings really helped me understand and appreciate the paintings
OK, but I would have expected this expert to have looked more closely at the work. For instance, there are clearly figures on Temeraire's deck, etc etc etc.
What a dreadful speaker, no continuity and unable to sustain a sentence. If the subject matter is the ship, then he tells us nothing about the history of the Temeraire, from the first one, which was a captured French Frigate, to this later version which played the pivotal role in the Battle of Trafalgar by going in first, drawing fire and splitting the French ranks.
@@ezicarus8216 No, its an artist impression of what a famous Warship, being towed up the Thames to be broken up, years earlier, may have looked like. But in this broken up, staccato, irritating speech anything which may been of interest is lost.
The kindest thing somebody ought to have done to Turner is - to lead him gently out of the permanent fog that he seems to have been living in. He might have wanted to paint after that.
I agree. His staccato type delivery takes my attention away from what he is saying. Just wanted him to shut up and let me interpret the painting myself. @@stewartbrands
Stating the obvious is a fine art indeed. I love it when condescension is used to inform us of things that our own eyes are viewing. Wikipedia are shaking in their boots after this insightful presentation.
I like to think that Turner saw in the Temeraire the end of his own youth. The fighting Temeraire indicates his own will as he is carried off to his final sunset, replaced by the modernity of new artists.
This is one of my favorite paintings of all time. Love this so much. A grand old sail ship from the navy being scuttled by a age, and by the coming steam age. You see the steam ship pulling the old ship to its end. Like us we too get old and scuttled.
Absolutely fascinating description etc one of my favourite Turner paintings - BUT please the vessel behind the tug is not a 'boat' as you keep saying it's a SHIP! The 98-gun HMS Temeraire. 'Boats' have life vests for the crew (hence their small size), or in those days nothing! SHIPS have lifeboats even in HMS Temeraire's time, which were called gigs, sloops, long boats. But thanks anyway for the evocative description.
I must confess, I had to look up what is meant by "staccato." Having done so, You have perfectly used it. Thank you for your unintended education, haha. For me, it was one of those things where I sensed something but wasnt able to explain....until your comment. I say again, Thank you. But the painting...WOW is that supreme.
You can tell the enthusiasm for Turner overwhelms him. His mind is flooded with ideas, he’s buzzing.
Jasmine Bird indeed, he needs to calm down and be more measured which would make it much more enjoyable to listen to, I feel out of breath can’t listen anymore......😼
@@janebrettell1737 ........Totally agree Jane - Mr Morgan is a dreadful presenter and I stopped watching immediately after his [pointless] self-introduction.
@@thesoultwins72 That presentation was a disaster. "Here we can see there is smoke" "Now we know that this is water.. Here is Turner showing us the effects of light on water.." Terrible delivery. Meaningless content. Perfect encapsulation of "adult learning experience programming" British institutions nowadays.
@@powerbite92 .....It's absolutely astonishing just how poor most people are at making a relatively simple presentation. Yet according to studies on what the most important [business] competencies are - presentation skills ranks number 4!
Please, your knowledge of subject is obviously comprehensive but you need some presentational skills. Accept training.
SkyFall brought me here. I'm on a bit of a James Bond binge and a scene with this painting caught my eye and I had to learn more about it. :)
Q brought me here
It's a good movie that stimulates one to know more!
One of my favourite paintings. I love Turner's style
Thank you Matthew, this lecture really has expanded my appreciation for this wonderful painting.
One of my favorite paintings since I was a child. I'm 70 now and iI still find it very moving.
That is very nice. Do you have any other life long loves in art?
It reminds me of the opening paragraph of The Guns of August. The passing of an era
A student teacher in an art class during my final semester in high school introduced me to Turner and it was love at first sight. Many, many years later I got to see "Temeraire" in person and started to cry when I stood in front of it. My one and only trip to England - I had two particular art goals, to see "Temeraire" and Millais' "Ophelia" which my senior honors English introduced me to that same semester. (I'm now 71.)
@@catzenhouse ...să fiți sănătos, sunteți un "TEMERAR " .
Turner's representation of light is amazing
JMW Turner. I grew up inspired by his work. People tend to focus on his vibrant colors but it is his later work and life that is brilliantly interesting. Senior Turner was by most accounts, a stingy, private old man with somewhat an acquired bitterness in him. Yet his later work was increasingly fierce and positive. His work literally shines. Unlike many successful artists who became dull and negative in their later life, Turner somehow rebel against his aging through his works.
I’ve wanted to make a drink for a while but I couldn’t pause this. Enthusiasm for a fantastic painting.
Here we meet in a passion for art and Turner. Thanks for this video.
Turner is also one of my favorite artists. I was able to view this particular painting when it was exhibited in Los Angeles a few years ago it is rather dramatic,
Turner was so ahead of everything, the way he made stuff so delicate and took hard edges off of objects, beautiful
To me Turner is one of the worlds greatest painters, the use of colours
to obtain the effect of light scattering from objects is breathtaking, his seascapes are unparalleled, he was a
complete genius, I must also add the John Constable is another genius of painting as well, and they where around at the same historical time , Britain was truly blessed
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You don’t know very much about art do you …….
And I will say no more than that …………
@@markmeade2937 I know as much as the limitations of being human allows, if you too have a modest understanding of the history of art you may understand why I hate Turner and I have given him many opportunities, seeing many in person, up close. I would concede his greatness on this point, I am initially repulsed then bored by his paintings and evoking such a strong emotion through paint may very well prove his greatness. I prefer Monet, Cezanne and even Klimts impressionism, Gustav is lesser known for this style but I like it's rawness and subdued pallet in comparison to Monet, although more refined and restricted than Cezanne, it is these three laid the path to today, not the misery of Turner, Constable and the Dutch Golden age of browns mixed with depression. What contemporary painting style do you enjoy today Mr Meade? If you look at Turner's raw ability laid bare in Going To Sea (1832) you may see what I see in every Turner. An oddly composed, uninspiringly sketched painting, unfortunately highlighting new softened interpretations of light with a blanket fog does not impress me. Nearly every single painting, covered in fog. What really jars me about Turner is his incorrect perspective, it is not misplaced in a jazz or golden ratio way, intelligently bringing focus to an area, it is always focusing attention to a blank boring part of the canvas, and his attempts at Venetian inspired city scapes do the masters a great disservice, in modern Rome 1839 and the decline of the Carthaginian empire the perspective is disturbingly incorrect for a draghtsman. If he dug deeper, maybe he could have used the techniques of the great artists he was impersonating, namely a pin hole camera and a ruler. It shows an over confidence and premature technical ability. He idolised Claude Lorrain, requesting his own Dido building Carthage be hung alongside Lorrain on his death, Turner's attempt is paradoxical exposed as vastly inferior. Lorrain was an undisputed master and his perspective was flawless, he had a deep and meaningful understanding of the mechanics of what is depicted. Turner did not. Not only am I repulsed by Turner's paintings, he was not someone I would have been friends with, after his Royal Academy ascension, he took the same honor away from Constable, voting against his application to join, three times. Not only was his ascension at just 14, damaging to his continued development as a great artist, he actively restricted an undeniably talented artists exposure, proliferation and opportunities. Not nice.
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I’m just not going to agree with you, i was introduced to Turner and John Constable at an early age, around 8 years old , been to the National Gallery and have seen there work close up and love it, both there seascapes and landscapes.
I love the way there paint is use to convey light and texture and as Turner got older the more abstract he became.
I love Rubens , Sargent, Hans Holbein and Van Gogh .
I respect your point but I’m afraid I have to disagree on this one , but I will respect your point of view and leave it at that
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To me looking at a painting and the way it makes you feel both emotionally and the way the painting is technically painted , the colours used and whether it’s a landscape, seascape , still life or portrait is how I see a painting, drawing or pastel .
I love pen and ink drawings too.
All artists are different but wonderful, they bring many things to life in there artwork and that is why I have certain favourites.
I have seen some very disrespectful comments on TH-cam and we are all different, o see your point and respect that point but for me a painting must move me emotionally when I look at it and both Turner and Constable do that for me.
To others they don’t but me personal preference are those two great painters .
Walking into the National Gallery is an explosion of colour and light , the beauty of an artist eye forever in time and space .
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So insightful. I almost wept for this ship.
How cool you publish these presentations. I cen comfortly sit in my living room hundreds of miles away and visit the National Gallery at the same time - in front row! Marvelous! Thank you for the presentation, good man. I tend to imagine Turner is also doing a bit of a self portrait here...
Wonderful painting with an insightful interpretation. Well done young man!!
Yes, enthusiastic fella. Knows and loves his paintings though.
The world needs more humans like him. Passionate.
Thank You, Sir !
Totally loved this, thanks so very much 👏 Bravo
This Channel is amazing 💐
Very interesting lecture. Thank you.
Lindas pinturas de Turner , inspiração para todos nós artistas plásticos 🌇🌇🌇
I was first introduced to this painting in the 007 movie "Skyfall" as Q & Bond sat in front of this painting to meet. It's delightful to learn more about the painter & this painting.
Same here. Im on a James Bond binge and this painting caught my eye and I had to learn more. :)
Back again .epic watch
Thank you, fantastic presentation!
Turners skies were the aftermath of the eruption of Krakotao
(which we call Krakatoa). The dust lingered in the stratosphere for a decade or more giving the wonderful red sunsets
A most interesting remark!
Wait, didn´t the one ''big'' Krakatoa eruption take place in the 1880s?
Mount Tambora in Indonesia. 1815.
Thanks for posting this. Really interesting
This guy needs to slow down and take a breath. I’m getting breathless listening to him
Same. He’s buzzed
Very interesting, there is so much in this painting, many questions, which raise yet more. A wonderful painting by a great artist and explanations from an entusiastic and capitvating Matthew Morgan. I chanced upon this video, and just had to watch it. The first of many I suspect. Turner was a fantastic Artist and as just a painting The Fighting Temeraire is one of his best, but it's far more than a simple painting isn't it. It's a story in itself. Wow!
Amazing 🔥🔥 Great great presentation Matthew.. (I just found causally this video cause I have to present a painting from Turner next week at the university, great inspiration).
Anyone know the watercolour painting he is referring to near the beginning? The one Turner painted from memory alone in front of onlookers? Thanks !
It's often said a ship costs 10% of its initial cost per year to keep it ship-shape. By my calculation that would be 500 oak trees!
Mute this, go with subtitles. Fantastic series.
Really interesting to contrast Mr Morgan's presentation style here to his later ones, a couple of years later... Very different demeanor, much more calm and easy-speaking. Wonder whether it was just a case of his becoming more comfortable in public speaking through continued practice, or intentionally taking instruction based on feedback received, or...?
Turner's work still seems to be quite divisive even this long after its construction, but one can't help but admire his rise from the working class background of that era to being an artist at such a young age!
A wonderful, uncradible lection! Thank you a lot, it was very interesting!
Thank you
He should’ve framed it with the wood from the Temeraire.
Fantastic idea!! That "wood" have been amazing. :P
I think the painting can speak for itself and that trying to second guess what Turner, "really meant," can a bit of a Snark Hunt.
Nonetheless this is and interesting and fun excursion, one that encourages people to think about what they're looking at.
Thank you.
Brilliant
I came here in the hope of finally finding an explanation of what the object in the lower right is. I love this painting and have done so since I first saw it in the National Gallery 40 years ago but this cylindrical, tilted, dark object (a barrel, a bouy?) has always niggled at me. Wiki doesn't explain it in its analysis and. apparently, neither does anyone else, including Mr Morgan here. It doesn't seem necessary to the painting, unlike every other object which has emotional and symbolic value as well as visual impact. It is a mystery to me!
I'd have to agree, it would be marking the shallows or a shoal to warn boatmen to keep in the channel.
The dark object. Important, maybe. It is a buoy.
Importantly, if you zoom into focus on it, you can see that it is itself producing it's own wake and a bow-wave.
That indicates that the tug was itself pulling the Temeraire against the tide, itself signalled as maybe fighting the passage of time, fighting the natural forces that run against us all no matter how busy we are?
I strongly recommend seeing the picture in real life. On the wall, it singularly lights up the entire wall of many tens of great works. On it's own one's eyes are drawn to the luminosity of the sunset/rise?? You can't not look straight at it.
He puts a period after every word. “Turner. Is. Not. Interested. In. Conveying. What. Happened. In. The. Event.” Omg... managed to listen to the while lecture only because indeed this painting is fascinating and it was a good lecture..
Yes its a sunrise and the sky is red . From the old phrase " Red sky in the morning , shepherds warning . Red sky at night , shepherds delight " , Turner is warning us that tommorow or ' the future' may not be as rosy at it would seem .
HI, I have a (what i assume to be a print ) but the age of it is unknown. of that painting, the print looks very old and frame has also has a no 6 plus on back of frame, The frame has, AC The Auto Type Comp, New Oxford st W.C London also has 74, Th print is brownish in colour not greys or black, Just been very curious on age etc,
It is very exhausting to watch this one person talk.
The colors and theme are both very sellable today. Not that this piece is up for sale but a lot of old paintings are no longer desirable due to changing tastes in interior decorating.
Perfect presentation ❤
I’m sorry but is there a reason he never talks about the siren on the right?
I too am a big fan of Turner. If he had stopped dancing around and was a little more fluid in his speech this would have been more enjoyable.
Great painting. But I never liked those thick frames that hold the painting. The thinner the edge the better. I just want to see the painting.
The sunset does indicate the end of an era. By this time all of the navy's wooden walls were obsolete. I link the situation to the sad end of the Warspite, which broke it's tow on the way to being scrapped, and ran aground. A futile attempt to avoid it's fate.
When I did O-level Art, around 1980, for homework on the 'History of Art' element, I was asked to write about this painting. Obviously, nowhere as detailed, involved, or as insightful as this excellent lecture, but I did highlight that the starboard side of the Temeraire (to the left as you look at it here), looks like a (soulless/mournful) skull looking out, perhaps suggesting its imminent fate and/or that it was already dead? And yet, I've never seen *anybody* else ever pick up or suggest this. So, was it really a case of a teenager's over-active imagination or am I really the first to 'spot something' about this painting?! :o(
he says its probably a sunrise based on the where the sun is saing its in the east
it depends on which side you are facing it could be in the west
It's very much an elegy. (The white flag is on the mast of the tug). Is that really a beautiful sunset? Or is it symmetrical with the Temeraire -- also obscured by the thick orange smoke of that tugboat? The sunset would've been beautiful as the history of the Fighting Temeraire was heroic, but time has past, it's now old, obsolete - being hauled off to the wrecking yard. When you see a trail of smoke like this (I think Turner could've made the connection and trail a bit clearer) it also tells the story that this tow started way in the back on the right, and steadily moved to where they are seen now.
The tug is also portrayed as very powerful. Dark, large, crisp.
And the 'color' of water? Water has many colors or no color - as water is a(generally smeared) reflection of sky, clouds, smoke; or as in Monet it's also the obscured color casts over what's below the surface. (Did Monet in his water lilies ever actually paint 'water'? Or did he paint what was above the water, reflected in the water, floating on the surface or what's underneath the surface of the water?)
And the Turner after dinner story...? I've known many artists, some of them notable. I've said things to them that stopped them in their tracks. A good idea is a good idea - especially to someone intelligent enough to not be afraid of a good idea when they hear it. My guess is that Turner saw the elements of this scene on different days, in different places with different ships.
What suggests that Turner didn't actually see this exact scene is how white and ethereal the Temeraire is. I think that's more what that ship would look like obscured by haze, or at a greater distance (aerial perspective). The tug is clearly not in any haze.
absolutely dull tea towel painting but very interesting presentation, thank you
I agree
isnt the point of art to allow each person their own interpretation of the piece in question?
if i do not know anything of turner...certainly this painting takes on a different meaning then had i known everything of the mans life....
this picture..says every thing ends...and few take note of it...and it is ONLY through rigid retrospection...does it come alive again..sad of course because...no matter ones memory....death is an ending....and turner is doing his best to keep the Temeraire ....alive....
What a fanciful dialogue of hogwash! A tapestry of fiction held together with strands of conjecture, hypothesis, surmise and subjective interpretation, held together with a veneer of academic approval!
Your entire comment was fanciful hogwash, you pompous prig.
@@vikingsong2068 You silly, silly...little man....
J.M.W.T. a.k.a. " The painter in the mists " at times also painted pictures where one is able to make out definite shapes, sometimes even events. Pity that this was not always the case.
My favourite painting is in the Liverpool Walker Gallery. "A landscape (1850)" A misty brown painting that takes an age to fully distinguish a reed bed, a brook, a castle.
I wanted to learn about Turner paintings, this one in particular. Problem, the lecturer seems to be conducting an orchestra as much as talking about the painting. Two minutes of this, adios.
perhaps "dismantled" not disintegrated?
His style of presentation is testing at times. Those big arm movements and every second word heavily emphasized made listening to this something of an ordeal. Also, I found some of his speculations both banal and far-fetched. Art, it seems, is an area rife with nonsense and hysteria, obviously lacking any objective criteria for what is good and what is not good. Anything goes.
With the sun in that position you cannot have the full moon in that position. The moon would appear as a half moon. The sun is near mountains, so if that is the Thames, this cannot be looking toward the East as there are no mountains in the sea beyond the estuary, so it's either looking toward London (which could be, then, a sunset) or is some specific view of some specific arm of the estuary. A credible, realistic sunset in the real scene cannot be ruled out.
Terrible speaker, Slow down , calm down , ...... i can not listen anymore.
Not on the Thames, surely! The direction of the sunset is almost impossible. It could have been the Medway. After all the ship was being towed from Sheerness - which is on the Medway.
Red in the morning, sailors take warning. It's a sunrise.
I think most of us have had lots of experience with tugs! And most of us certainly aren't anti-tug! 🥴
Keep your frigging arms still, like watching a demented windmill….but then I’m not a big fan of Turner….there was never ever a sky that looked like that.
Wish I could just look at the painting...in silence.
so turn the volume down, perhaps?
mute button might help
Buy a postcard or turn the sound off of go to the gallery and just look
Mire ha mi se podria considerar la pintura A laDerecha del SOL la ruta de los barcos
Good introduction to Turner and I enjoyed this. However, he looks like a tic tac man though with arms flying everywhere like a marionette and although that is enthusiasm unleashed; it is also seen as a very distracting habit with most professional speakers.
Turner isn’t one of my favourite artists, but I appreciate his artistry. The presenter needs to calm down and compose his words. Breathless and his arms are flailing around making it hard to watch.
An old man at 64!?
Yes, this is an interesting story. But,... Lecturer. Really. Should. Not. Move. That. Much. In. Front. Of. The. Painting,... It does destruct concentration badly.
Shame the lecturer keeps going out of shot cameraman 👉🚮👈
The vessel being towed was sold by the navy and it is floating high because much of the weight of armament and heavy metals must have been removed. I was glad that I was not the only person who found the narrator’s enthusiasm” (hand gesturing, mostly) very distracting. This lecture should help students to remember to dress well, make and use notes, focus, take deep breaths and practice.
Even so, she did sit high in the water, almost like a moving castle. I think she had four gun decks one over the other. There is at least one painting (sorry can't remember what) showing several ships of the line in formation with smaller ships, mainly frigates, near them. The ships of the line are vast, towering over any other vessel.
Maybe the film "Master and Commander" has a scene of the fighting formation.
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Unfortunately I had to switch it off, the chaps voice and jerky phrases put me off, such a shame, hopefully lectures by him are in short supply..
I've been to several of Matthews lectures and they are always insightful, interesting and entertaining. A couple of years ago he took a group of us around some nativity scenes and his knowledge of the Bible added to that of the paintings really helped me understand and appreciate the paintings
Rolph Harris still had the master stroke.
Actually,this guy needs to slow down.
Lo que no sabe se lo inventa......
Can’t take this guy…too annoying with all his bouncing around and yelling
His delivery is terribly annoying although I respect his knowledge and enthusiasm. Did Kenneth Clark ever "do" Turner by any chance?
Mr. Morgan gives an interesting lecture but his arm gestures are really distracting and annoying. Just keep the camera on the gorgeous painting.
His cadence was annoying, I agree with his critics the sun looks muddy
OK, but I would have expected this expert to have looked more closely at the work. For instance, there are clearly figures on Temeraire's deck, etc etc etc.
Cuadro malo y feo, horroroso
This series of vidoes is terrible. Too much time spent on the indifferent adn not enough time spent on Turner's technique
What a dreadful speaker, no continuity and unable to sustain a sentence. If the subject matter is the ship, then he tells us nothing about the history of the Temeraire, from the first one, which was a captured French Frigate, to this later version which played the pivotal role in the Battle of Trafalgar by going in first, drawing fire and splitting the French ranks.
The painting is not about the battle of Trafalgar.
@@ezicarus8216 No, its an artist impression of what a famous Warship, being towed up the Thames to be broken up, years earlier, may have looked like. But in this broken up, staccato, irritating speech anything which may been of interest is lost.
The kindest thing somebody ought to have done to Turner is - to lead him gently out of the permanent fog that he seems to have been living in. He might have wanted to paint after that.
I’m not sure who this man is, but I hope the National Gallery is paying him well; he is incredible!
Yes, absolutely. Wonderful, superfluous vernacular. Top bloke, without a doubt.
I agree. His staccato type delivery takes my attention away from what he is saying. Just wanted him to shut up and let me interpret the painting myself. @@stewartbrands
Stating the obvious is a fine art indeed. I love it when condescension is used to inform us of things that our own eyes are viewing. Wikipedia are shaking in their boots after this insightful presentation.
Passion has nothing to do with money.
Presentation was great, enthusiastic and informative. Well done that man and ignore the trolls.
Um, I actually enjoyed his conducting, too bad the music is off in the video.😊
I went with a curator many years ago, he was just as passionate about drawings and paintings as this fellow. Brings back memories.
I stuck with him.hes bloody good and highly likable . top hats off to this guy.brilliant passion.
I like to think that Turner saw in the Temeraire the end of his own youth. The fighting Temeraire indicates his own will as he is carried off to his final sunset, replaced by the modernity of new artists.
but like the ship, taken apart, analysed so we can built upon what came before, nothing went to waste :)
An excellent interpretation of this painting
Thousands of miles away from The National Gallery I am watching this delightfully incredible lecture!!! Thanks a ton for this
This is one of my favorite paintings of all time. Love this so much. A grand old sail ship from the navy being scuttled by a age, and by the coming steam age. You see the steam ship pulling the old ship to its end. Like us we too get old and scuttled.
Scuttled is a deliberate sinking. This ship is being towed to the breakers yard. Just saying...
@@softailrider3129 You’re right. My bad.
Absolutely fascinating description etc one of my favourite Turner paintings - BUT please the vessel behind the tug is not a 'boat' as you keep saying it's a SHIP! The 98-gun HMS Temeraire. 'Boats' have life vests for the crew (hence their small size), or in those days nothing! SHIPS have lifeboats even in HMS Temeraire's time, which were called gigs, sloops, long boats. But thanks anyway for the evocative description.
He's an inspirational lecturer. Brilliant. Thank you
Interesting lecture although I must confess I found the staccato presentation difficult to take at times. The painting of course is quite amazing.
I must confess, I had to look up what is meant by "staccato." Having done so, You have perfectly used it. Thank you for your unintended education, haha.
For me, it was one of those things where I sensed something but wasnt able to explain....until your comment. I say again, Thank you. But the painting...WOW is that supreme.
Indeed and a little 'shouty' down .Needs to ease up a tad . it's not easy to do
Yeah what was that about? Maybe he battles a stutter
@@classicartfoundation639 I like his presentation style. Just not suited to this miserable painting.
Excellent presentation....but these days someone of 64 is not an 'old man'.
Brilliant painting, he’s enthusiastic but very difficult to listen to.
Lucky I have a picture of this in my painting book so I can reference it to see the closeups of where he is pointing.
I was lucky enough to stand a few inches from a few Turner's. I saw nothing interesting.
Love the presenter, his enthusiasm, the painting & Turner. I now have a much greater appreciation of the picture. Greetings, many thanks from Chicago.