Enhancement here. Love the damage this season without too long an interval between bursts. We're still super kite-able and our defensives suck, but if we can get the right lobby its great fun!
Man frost dk needs an ability like Templar strikes for ret where it just straight increases auto attack damage and then just give frost strike a heal absorb or something. Then they should make soul reaper a straight up execute.
Outlaw is the most fun spec in the game when you get it down. It's like playing Fury Warrior with a brain. Scratches the high APM melee itch while also forcing you to constantly be using your head and adapting on the fly on top of juggling all of your synergies perfectly. Fun and rewarding to play well.
i think this is pretty damn accurate survival is definitely A tier but they are strong af they put in mad work every time i see them shadow priest slightly lower but yea destro is definitely prolly the biggest problem those chaos bolts mid game are devastating i feel like ret need a buff to defensive then we will be on demon hunter level tho its not always good to be super over powered because i have a feeling more nerfs to them will come
who needs mobility when you can kill ppl from 30 yards in 2 seconds with ascendance. The whole problem with enha, is that the 3 min ascendance is too lond, and the 7% proc chance is totally unreliable. If ascendance would have a rework, maybe make is 2 min CD and the proc chance increased to 15% and lasts 4 sec. Or make mini-ascendance able to pop it when you want, some sort of charge accumulation from stormstrike
There should be a distinction between defensive specs and offensive specs, in regard to balance drood and demonology warlock. Warlock and balance should not be next to each other with Balance, all you do is run away. You don’t play like that on a warlock. Balance should be down on a because of that maybe. Jmho.
@wladynoszhighlights5989 It's performing very well in arena right now. Not boomy levels but definitely up there. Actually, Supa elaborated and said he doesn't want to place tanks even if it and Veng are doing well right now (they tend to get nerfed fast regardless)
Nearly all "hybrid" specs are complete garbage since many of them rely on self heal for survivability, but that said self heal is so bad that it does absolutely nothing even in BGs, much less so in Arena. Even a 100% buff on that heal you would not even notice a difference.
LOOLLLLL Boomy S tier He's really funny That he thinks the BOOMY ARE S TIER ( The results speak, 2400+ TOTAL DH 335 VS TOTAL BOOMY 71 AGAINST TOTAL WARRIOR 171 AND TOTAL DK 187)
That doesn't mean boomy isn't an S tier spec... people are just playing DH more because they aren't trying to sweat boomy or whatever class they were originally playing.
@@Minerals333 You're funny, there is no boomy who clones in .5 sec and AWC he played with a rogue who stuns all the normal players who are capable of clones when everything is stun Look so well instead of writing things thick
@@pierrerenaud281 no, he frequently cloned without stuns for setup. He was also very good at fake casting and getting precog - the casters mentioned it many times. I can see your English isn’t very good so maybe that’s the problem 😊
I've played 1500 solo shuffle games this season as Prevoker. I only managed 2000 CR in shuffle, which made me rank #110 in shuffle. Then I quit...I'm just waiting for buffs honestly, there's no point to play the game with my spec in this state, it's just demoralizing seeing all those DH climb while I fight for my life and get 3-3 every time.
Finally, you put Disc where it belongs. Shit mana, average to poor damage, low throughput, only spec in the game without a stun or interrupt option. The spec is fuckhn trash probably belongs in the hole. To quote Cdew Disc changes are an insult when I log in im taking smite off my bars because fuck them.
Tired of Supa using the same worn out argument for MW every single time. No one is playing both fist and casting MW in the same lobby. It's a different great! casting MW is not an A tier healer, not even close
I’ve faced a few monks that play both in the same lobby, really screws me playing Hunter when I expect them to be caster and they’re fistweaver and I don’t have diamond ice trap
For most ppl this list dont matter, up to 1800 transmog rating. I have my disc, frost dk and pres evo at 1800, while my dh, destro and resto shaman i cant break above 1600. Its all about luck. Just play and eventualy inflation will bring you up there where you want it
brother arms is getting 10% buff and is already topping the charts, arms destroys dh by default, dh getting hit. why u putting dh and outlaw up there? outlaw is awful especially for non min-maxed setup players. is this tierlist made for AWC vacuum (who nobody cares about btw ppl only care about ladder) I rly don't care about awc minmaxed strats and metas. I'm calling it now, if u wanna win next patch as a melee, reroll to an arms warr. there's no way this tierlist is even CLOSE to being srs. u have hunter and dk in the same tier man? uh dk is just as good as fury warr no?
Pvp is dead unfortunetly 😑 . I just look at videos if there is any improvements in game its getting worse . Good i swichted singel players game like elden ring. Lords of fallen , lies of p . Just get in game play . Hard to come back to wow .
bro i was randomly watching 2015 blizzcon finals and it blew my mind how much weight you've lost. love to see it.
Supa doesnt lose weight, he just got nerfed from Kul Tiran to regular Human.
Supatease wanted that OP every man for himself racial, FOTM rerollers smh@@cci9459
@@cci9459 best thing ive read all day
surv hunter resto shaman meta best meta baby. high skill and interactive classes. coming back for this
Blizzard you are forgetting yourselves!
that frost DK rework better be on its way!
so pretty much the same tier list we've had in the last 3 expansions, I cannot wait
I absolutely love this channel. You and Venruki are awesome. Thanks for the insight brother
So we are nerfing DH a bit to help balance it out, but its still going to be the best melee class by far
It stilll is
Enhancement here. Love the damage this season without too long an interval between bursts. We're still super kite-able and our defensives suck, but if we can get the right lobby its great fun!
Man frost dk needs an ability like Templar strikes for ret where it just straight increases auto attack damage and then just give frost strike a heal absorb or something. Then they should make soul reaper a straight up execute.
Outlaw is the most fun spec in the game when you get it down. It's like playing Fury Warrior with a brain. Scratches the high APM melee itch while also forcing you to constantly be using your head and adapting on the fly on top of juggling all of your synergies perfectly. Fun and rewarding to play well.
Outlaw feels slow idk
Would love to know, what does it feel slow compared to? @@jayfedder1578
@@jayfedder1578then you're playing it wrong lol
Agree with the list. Except pres evoker is a tier maybe b if your biased
i think this is pretty damn accurate survival is definitely A tier but they are strong af they put in mad work every time i see them shadow priest slightly lower but yea destro is definitely prolly the biggest problem those chaos bolts mid game are devastating i feel like ret need a buff to defensive then we will be on demon hunter level tho its not always good to be super over powered because i have a feeling more nerfs to them will come
BM and MM are both really good, but you might have fun on Surv too. Woah surprised Aug-voker seems to have jumped up.
who needs mobility when you can kill ppl from 30 yards in 2 seconds with ascendance. The whole problem with enha, is that the 3 min ascendance is too lond, and the 7% proc chance is totally unreliable. If ascendance would have a rework, maybe make is 2 min CD and the proc chance increased to 15% and lasts 4 sec. Or make mini-ascendance able to pop it when you want, some sort of charge accumulation from stormstrike
Pres criminally underrated I can’t lie 😮💨
Did u take the flame rift nerfs in consideration while positioning destro as the best spec of all?
There should be a distinction between defensive specs and offensive specs, in regard to balance drood and demonology warlock. Warlock and balance should not be next to each other with Balance, all you do is run away. You don’t play like that on a warlock. Balance should be down on a because of that maybe. Jmho.
Supaaaaaaaaaaa, please try your frost mage again to push 2400. Need someone to watch to improve
Blood in d tier? Are they nerfing it?
No its just a troll pick for arena, it could work much better in rbg or wpvp
@wladynoszhighlights5989 It's performing very well in arena right now. Not boomy levels but definitely up there.
Actually, Supa elaborated and said he doesn't want to place tanks even if it and Veng are doing well right now (they tend to get nerfed fast regardless)
@@BasedChadman What comp is blood dk good in? 3v3 or 2v2?
Man im tired of seeing frost dk in the gutter. It was good for one season last xpac and its been shit since......
I've been struggling a bit with my bm hunter, would you recommend trying survival after the buffs?
If you’re 1600 then no. If you’re 2400 then yes
If you struggle with BM as a spec, then definitely dont try a complex melee like SV
@hulkhogan9704 damage isn't the problem. I am usually the target and die first as soon as all my defensives are on cd.
@@gapplebees9295if you can’t survive as bm, you’re probably not going to do well playing SV - where you’ll be in the melee blender
@gapplebees9295 learn how to time your burst and cc and close games.
Hpriest feels great in SS imo.
Nearly all "hybrid" specs are complete garbage since many of them rely on self heal for survivability, but that said self heal is so bad that it does absolutely nothing even in BGs, much less so in Arena. Even a 100% buff on that heal you would not even notice a difference.
any tip on ele shaman? im new to them and kiting a DH and a warrior at the same time seems fucking impossible lol
So basically nothing changes lmfaooo
LOOLLLLL Boomy S tier He's really funny That he thinks the BOOMY ARE S TIER (
The results speak, 2400+ TOTAL DH 335 VS TOTAL BOOMY 71 AGAINST TOTAL WARRIOR 171 AND TOTAL DK 187)
That doesn't mean boomy isn't an S tier spec... people are just playing DH more because they aren't trying to sweat boomy or whatever class they were originally playing.
Did you not see the AWC where boomkin controlled games with 0.5 sec cast clones?
@@Minerals333 0.5 dude we can’t cast clone 0.5 sec retarded, you didn't look who had a rogue with him who stun on the player
@@Minerals333 You're funny, there is no boomy who clones in .5 sec and AWC he played with a rogue who stuns all the normal players who are capable of clones when everything is stun Look so well instead of writing things thick
@@pierrerenaud281 no, he frequently cloned without stuns for setup. He was also very good at fake casting and getting precog - the casters mentioned it many times. I can see your English isn’t very good so maybe that’s the problem 😊
Sighs in frost dk :(
😂
@@turk1592 someday we won't be Garbo tier
@Stardustheart Wishful thinking. Been trash since s3 of shitolands
Frost was awesome in wotlk lol
@@sanctuarypest2212 Eh, it was strong but boring. Peak frost dk was mop and wod imo. BFA was where it all fell apart
I've played 1500 solo shuffle games this season as Prevoker. I only managed 2000 CR in shuffle, which made me rank #110 in shuffle. Then I quit...I'm just waiting for buffs honestly, there's no point to play the game with my spec in this state, it's just demoralizing seeing all those DH climb while I fight for my life and get 3-3 every time.
Your only miss was not putting mistweaver in S
Finally, you put Disc where it belongs. Shit mana, average to poor damage, low throughput, only spec in the game without a stun or interrupt option. The spec is fuckhn trash probably belongs in the hole. To quote Cdew Disc changes are an insult when I log in im taking smite off my bars because fuck them.
Stop separating melee and ranged. They can fight each other therefore their power can compare to each other
Fire Mage might be a sleeper spec
really good patch except the nerfs to DH and Outlaw are far too small and they will remain oppressive S tier
hpally B tier for shuffle? Maybe in a wizard lobby. They're S tier if there's 2+ melees in the lobby.
Yep, playing Hunter vs hpal is just depressing, seems the only chance you can win is if you get a lucky dispel on bop
SUuuuUuuuuuUUUUPpppPPpaaaaaaAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'll put some money on the BDK meta. Not a lot, and not cos I think it's legit, but it would be funny
"Crush demon hunters, crush rogue" puts ret on A tier... 🙂
Feral is not hard one here, they are Trash as much as Fury war.
two dps on tank tier
great video
WTB instant-cast Denounce!!!
Duration and damage would have to be significantly nerfed
DH S+ tier no doubt
fury wars are going to be B tier not D i thibk
Dampening scales up so fast in shuffle, Plus plus their mortal strike being overwritten by other effects, arms feels stronger
Tired of Supa using the same worn out argument for MW every single time. No one is playing both fist and casting MW in the same lobby. It's a different great! casting MW is not an A tier healer, not even close
He’s not a monk guy. Relax. Ain’t that deep
I’ve faced a few monks that play both in the same lobby, really screws me playing Hunter when I expect them to be caster and they’re fistweaver and I don’t have diamond ice trap
For most ppl this list dont matter, up to 1800 transmog rating. I have my disc, frost dk and pres evo at 1800, while my dh, destro and resto shaman i cant break above 1600. Its all about luck. Just play and eventualy inflation will bring you up there where you want it
U Just suck thats all
I love the healer balance this season
brother arms is getting 10% buff and is already topping the charts, arms destroys dh by default, dh getting hit.
why u putting dh and outlaw up there? outlaw is awful especially for non min-maxed setup players.
is this tierlist made for AWC vacuum (who nobody cares about btw ppl only care about ladder)
I rly don't care about awc minmaxed strats and metas.
I'm calling it now, if u wanna win next patch as a melee, reroll to an arms warr.
there's no way this tierlist is even CLOSE to being srs.
u have hunter and dk in the same tier man?
uh dk is just as good as fury warr no?
Survival is not S tier.
Actually First, GG.
Pvp is dead unfortunetly 😑 . I just look at videos if there is any improvements in game its getting worse . Good i swichted singel players game like elden ring. Lords of fallen , lies of p . Just get in game play . Hard to come back to wow .
Aff lock A Tier is wild lmao 😂
SV S ? are you kidding me ? that specs only works if played by bicmex