Roman going to the protest just so he could get beaten and hurt is absolutely heartbreaking, he’s so accustomed to dealing with emotions with pain that the first thing he does when in emotional pain is to look for physical one to numb him .
This!! I’ve already “pre grieved” my parents in a way but I know realistically I’m going to be Roman when it happens because if the emotions are already complicated when they’re alive I can’t imagine in death
I think that's what made it even more heartbreaking, that he's breaking down over someone who abused him his whole life but it's still his dad in that coffin
i kind of hate using the word "abuser" bc it flattens out the complications. logan was abusive, absolutely. but the kids will never think of him as simply an "abuser" bc that word won't capture all of what he was to them or what they're feeling. he's their father, their abuser, their provider, their judge and jury, their shadow, their boss, etc.
Kieran Culkin broke my soul in this episode. What a freaking performance. Give him a Grammy, an Oscar, a Nobel, just give him all the awards for this season.
I don’t know if this is mentioned but the funeral arrangements Logan specified that he wanted a picture of his mother and Rose buried with him in pocket. I think any true ability to love selflessly and entirely died in him when they died
The funeral is the perfect example of what the kids are. Roman is a poser who crumbles under pressure, when things go wrong. Shiv rejects all responsibility and places it on someone else when things get messy but wants to remind people she played a part when things are better. Kendall bumbles his way through but ends up rising to the occasion in his own way only to ruin it later. And Connor is a non factor.
lol so it was a coincidence all his romantic partners in the show (holly hunter aside) just so happen to look like his real wife? crazy? olive skin/dark hair
@@John_Locke_108 Kieran raised his level this season, and is rightfully getting the praise he deserves but I still think Jeremy Strong's performance of Kendall is the defining one of the series.
this episode solidified succession as my favorite TV series of all time. obviously connor’s wedding, the finales of season 1 and 3, and all of the episodes in between had insane moments, but to deliver with such great writing and storytelling over 40 hours into the show is just mind blowing. season 4 of succession is one gut punch after the next and it literally never stops. an absolute triumph of a series, and will forever be one of the best pieces of media ever conceived!
Ewan's look to Kendall after Kendall's speech was such a deep and subtle moment. Ewan almost looks sad because he's seeing that Logan still lives in Kendall
James Cromwell was actually asked what Ewan was feeling in that moment when he looks across the aisle at Kendall and he said he was feeling pity and sympathy for him. He said he recognizes there's torment inside him, and as a human being, he has compassion for him. He recognizes Ken is stuck in a system, not of his own making, and that he's being encouraged to make it even worse. He's stuck, and he suffers with this pain of not knowing if anyone cares about him except for his money.
always thinking about them in the mausoleum seeing where they will be buried and that quote by catherine lacey: "if you're raised with an angry man in your house, there will always be an angry man in your house. you will find him even when he is not there. and if one day you find that there is no angry man your house- well, you will go find one and invite him in." imagine being trapped in a house with an angry man even in death. just terrifying and so bleak.
Do you know what means "Kinder, Küche, Kirche", what Mencken says at 19:49? Is a German slogan translated as "children, kitchen, church" used under the German Empire to describe a woman's role in society.
I loved it because I felt vindicated. The show made it seem like the Roy's run the political landscape. But now we see that is not the case. Menken used them and now he doesn't need them anymore. Maybe he'd need Logan but not these fools. It's beautiful.
@@John_Locke_108 No, Mencken is acting like he's already won, but he's delusional. The last indication we have is that he's going to lose the court case in Wisconsin, which makes Jimenez the president.
It took me awhile but it was this episode where I was finally done with Kendall...and it was how he reacted to Jess FINALLY speaking up and saying she wanted something different for herself. That woman stood by Kendall throughout everything and showed him more loyalty any of his siblings did. Put up with all his crap and manic behavior and did her job perfectly....only to be treated like garbage the second she "stepped outta line". It was then I realized that Kendall was (for me at least) irredeemable in his narcissism.
Jess quitting over the Mencken election was just bad/contrived writing IMO. She's been working for a right wing company this entire time, one that employs people like Ravenhead, and she's suddenly shocked that they ended up backing Mencken? Also, Kendall did act like a total asshole but it's pretty obvious that he's doing that because he's hurt and lashing out, not because he actually views Jess as garbage. He puts on his sunglasses right after that interaction which is a callback to Roman saying "Sunglasses. Good idea, that way people won't see you cry." It because of how loyal she's been that he freaks out. He's losing the one person he always trusted and expected to be in his corner, one of the only people who (according to Juliana) actually cared about him and saw good in him. There was also cut dialogue from the script where he tells her how much he cares about her. If he didn't care, he wouldn't have had such a strong reaction to her wanting to leave. It shows how immature Kendall is. I don't think it had anything to do with her "stepping out of line" though. He's a petulant child having a tantrum because someone he loves is essentially telling him they're done with him.
I don't know what it was about Logan's death, but I freakin bawled in the episode he died and in this one. It's probably just due to how incredible the writing of this show is. Logan was a complete asshole even to his own children, but his death was so sad. I guess that's what made it so realistic. We all have somebody close to us that we've gotten into arguments or said some truly hurtful things, but at the end of the day we still love them. Logan's death being so sudden couldn't be more realistic because that happens a lot.
They need to be engraving Kieran Culkin's Emmy since we have two weeks left. Watching this show again with y'all and Reel Time just made me realize how awful Kendall can be. I am team kids through and through though. I like them because they're awful but I think I overlooked some of his shittier moments when I first watched.
"I loved him very much. I miss him very much. He broke my heart...and he broke yours too." I thought the final scene with Marcia and Shiv was outstanding. Really poignant stuff to end Marcia's character.
Honestly the people who side with Ken on the Rava situation are kinda wild, like yes okay Rava might be overreacting, but he literally said “do not fuck with me today” to her. Excuse me? Is that an acceptable way to speak to the mother of your children? Yea, its understandable that Ken wants his family with him, but if I were Rava and he spoke to me like that, I would 100% not go. If he needed them there for emotional support then he could’ve said that. He could’ve said so many other things that could’ve swayed Rava but no, he was immediately dismissive and aggressive and out of touch with the feelings of everyone involved
He is awful, but the difference is that he actually occasionally has brief moments of self awareness where he feels bad about being awful. See the election episode with him agonizing about not being a good father, him saying he's a bad person in the s3 finale, etc. Shiv and Roman have never once admitted to being bad people, nor do they really care about being good people. But there is a part of Kendall that wants to be good and feels like shit about the fact that deep down, he knows that he really isn't.
It is 100% clear as day that Shiv and Roman do not care about the feelings or wellbeing of others. We do, however, get multiple instances of Ken wrestling with his morality (taking the blame after the car accident even though the waiter was the one that pulled the wheel, financially helping the family of the waiter, the election, recognizing he's not doing enough as a father, etc)
im sorry but kendal is allowed to be upset and want to take his children with him to his dads funeral (and it would be safe for him to look after his kids for an hour like its just not right) as someone who lost his father (admittedly at a much younger age) i get how emotional a day like this would be and how having two of his family members taken away and not even being with him at the funeral would be
Your reaction to the Marcia Kerry moment or lack there of broke my heart. You would have enjoyed this show way more if you weren't constantly tryna prove a point with every breathe.
@@amateuruncleI’ve rewatched this season 4 with them bc I haven’t had the emotional capacity to do it and I realized how much of a blur s4 was. It was too many emotions week to week plus discussing on succession twitter also helped me notice things I wouldn’t have and just this rewatch I’ve noticed even more. Plus I rewatched s1-3 2x each before s4. Succession is a dense text!! It gets better on rewatch imo. You really hone in on the psychology. I feel they’ve done an amazing job on the first watch! Only reaction I’ve been able to watch of succession. No other reactor actually picks up on things or gets the intent of the writing
@amateuruncle I appreciate your retort but it's not about catching every detail, it's about framing your mind to understand what the purpose of each moment is to drive home the thesis of the show. I agree that you can't catch every detail on a first viewing and I know that a reaction requires commentary, people miss THE definitive meaning when they try to inject there own.
These reactors are super-neurotic. Not in a bad way but just hyper-sensitive to negative emotions and very susceptible to anxiety. It means they miss a lot of stuff by overreacting to previous emotional beats and jumping to emotional conclusions. Everyone's different ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
5:30 There was nothing respectful about it though. She scheduled it on the day of the funeral. It could have been before or after, but she picked the day of.
I don’t see any indication that she scheduled it the day of the funeral? It seems like Ken’s going through his calendar - he says “Monday… Tuesday…” then finds the meeting scheduled with Jess
Naah, I don't know if you have worked in corporate but as a 'secretary' for a long time, you just don't quit. She isn't some IT guy you know. He was a moron, she wanted to not do it today and even then refused but the man-child kept insisting and then got mad.
Exactly. She scewed that up but she was probably in auto pilot mode when she made the appointment and forgot to reschedule it due to the craziness happening.
@@John_Locke_108 she probably had to schedule it immediately or she would have chickened out. There is no good time with Kendall. He would have been awful regardless the day
Kieran Culkin is going to win the emmy for this episode and it's bullshit, Jeremy Strong is a way better actor and gave his soul to Kendall Roy, Roman "being strong" after his father died was all bullshit and we knew it as an audience, we were all waiting for him to break at that funeral BEGGING THE ACTING GODS FOR A JEREMY STRONG EMMY WIN
Roman saying “He made me breathe funny,” was absolutely gut wrenching. Totally relatable for anyone growing up in an unpredictably abusive situation
Roman going to the protest just so he could get beaten and hurt is absolutely heartbreaking, he’s so accustomed to dealing with emotions with pain that the first thing he does when in emotional pain is to look for physical one to numb him .
This!! Logan abused him the most clearly and it’s definitely implied he has self harmed as a coping mechanism since childhood from this scene.
Roman is the definition of a Masochist ..
There is a great example of it in the next episode as well which takes brotherly love to a new level..
grieving for an abuser is such a complicated process and i really appreciate how the showrunners handled it.
This!! I’ve already “pre grieved” my parents in a way but I know realistically I’m going to be Roman when it happens because if the emotions are already complicated when they’re alive I can’t imagine in death
I think that's what made it even more heartbreaking, that he's breaking down over someone who abused him his whole life but it's still his dad in that coffin
i kind of hate using the word "abuser" bc it flattens out the complications. logan was abusive, absolutely. but the kids will never think of him as simply an "abuser" bc that word won't capture all of what he was to them or what they're feeling. he's their father, their abuser, their provider, their judge and jury, their shadow, their boss, etc.
@@grasshopperye3593of course it’s complicated but at the end of the day that’s what he primarily was. Us as the audience can see that
Kieran Culkin broke my soul in this episode. What a freaking performance. Give him a Grammy, an Oscar, a Nobel, just give him all the awards for this season.
A truly soul shattering performance. 👏
@JumboMceal Really? Guess I'm soft because everytime I watch it, I cry.
@@John_Locke_108 Count me in as soft too. Cry every single time. But then again I am a very empathetic person... 🤷♀
Yeah he's going to win the Emmy because he cried lol
imo jeremy deserves it more if you take on account the whole season
Pre-grieving is NOT an effective coping skill.
The fact they finally addressed mourning an abuser in such a profound way in this episode - ugh, it kills me. Culkin was perfect.
I don’t know if this is mentioned but the funeral arrangements Logan specified that he wanted a picture of his mother and Rose buried with him in pocket. I think any true ability to love selflessly and entirely died in him when they died
The funeral is the perfect example of what the kids are. Roman is a poser who crumbles under pressure, when things go wrong. Shiv rejects all responsibility and places it on someone else when things get messy but wants to remind people she played a part when things are better. Kendall bumbles his way through but ends up rising to the occasion in his own way only to ruin it later. And Connor is a non factor.
From an early age, Connor Roy was interested in politics.
Trivia: Sally-Anne ("Caroline's Kerry") was played by Nicole Ansari, Brian Cox's actual wife.
lol so it was a coincidence all his romantic partners in the show (holly hunter aside) just so happen to look like his real wife? crazy?
olive skin/dark hair
@@Diegesishe definitely has a type for sure
This is Kieran's Emmy win; "Is he still in there?" fucking broke me
edit: I HAD TO COME BACK AND EDIT KIERAN WON YEEEEEAHHHHHHHHH
Brian Cox, Kieran Culkin and Jeremy Strong are all 3 nominated for Best Actor Emmy for the same show. It'll be nuts.
Kieran has to get it, right? He was on a whole different level this season. I thought he absolutely killed it in the finale, too.
Brian Cox got it for 2 episodes? That's kinda crazy; I feel like he should have been moved to Best Supporting Actor for this season.
@@John_Locke_108 Kieran raised his level this season, and is rightfully getting the praise he deserves but I still think Jeremy Strong's performance of Kendall is the defining one of the series.
this episode solidified succession as my favorite TV series of all time. obviously connor’s wedding, the finales of season 1 and 3, and all of the episodes in between had insane moments, but to deliver with such great writing and storytelling over 40 hours into the show is just mind blowing. season 4 of succession is one gut punch after the next and it literally never stops. an absolute triumph of a series, and will forever be one of the best pieces of media ever conceived!
Ewan's look to Kendall after Kendall's speech was such a deep and subtle moment. Ewan almost looks sad because he's seeing that Logan still lives in Kendall
James Cromwell was actually asked what Ewan was feeling in that moment when he looks across the aisle at Kendall and he said he was feeling pity and sympathy for him. He said he recognizes there's torment inside him, and as a human being, he has compassion for him. He recognizes Ken is stuck in a system, not of his own making, and that he's being encouraged to make it even worse. He's stuck, and he suffers with this pain of not knowing if anyone cares about him except for his money.
@@sparkleclover oh wow, I did not know that. Thanks for that :)
I've said this maybe 35 times already, but this is one of the best episodes of "Succession".
Last episode made me enraged at Roman then this episode made me cry for him. This show man…
always thinking about them in the mausoleum seeing where they will be buried and that quote by catherine lacey: "if you're raised with an angry man in your house, there will always be an angry man in your house. you will find him even when he is not there. and if one day you find that there is no angry man your house- well, you will go find one and invite him in." imagine being trapped in a house with an angry man even in death. just terrifying and so bleak.
The scene with Kerry, she was genuinely being nice
Roman the showman light up the sky!
Do you know what means "Kinder, Küche, Kirche", what Mencken says at 19:49? Is a German slogan translated as "children, kitchen, church" used under the German Empire to describe a woman's role in society.
“And the Emmys go to….”
last episode is among the greatest series finales of all time
Its really funny to me that Mattson turns into such a child when talking to Mencken
Sally-Ann was my Kerry lol.
Well played
Menken absolutely LOVES people now coming to him with requests. Everyone just seems like a play thing to him now.
I loved it because I felt vindicated. The show made it seem like the Roy's run the political landscape. But now we see that is not the case. Menken used them and now he doesn't need them anymore. Maybe he'd need Logan but not these fools. It's beautiful.
@@John_Locke_108 No, Mencken is acting like he's already won, but he's delusional. The last indication we have is that he's going to lose the court case in Wisconsin, which makes Jimenez the president.
Happy new years you crazy mofos and thank you so much, im grateful and so appreciative that yall share with us. Best wishes for 2024 yall
It took me awhile but it was this episode where I was finally done with Kendall...and it was how he reacted to Jess FINALLY speaking up and saying she wanted something different for herself. That woman stood by Kendall throughout everything and showed him more loyalty any of his siblings did. Put up with all his crap and manic behavior and did her job perfectly....only to be treated like garbage the second she "stepped outta line". It was then I realized that Kendall was (for me at least) irredeemable in his narcissism.
Jess quitting over the Mencken election was just bad/contrived writing IMO. She's been working for a right wing company this entire time, one that employs people like Ravenhead, and she's suddenly shocked that they ended up backing Mencken? Also, Kendall did act like a total asshole but it's pretty obvious that he's doing that because he's hurt and lashing out, not because he actually views Jess as garbage. He puts on his sunglasses right after that interaction which is a callback to Roman saying "Sunglasses. Good idea, that way people won't see you cry." It because of how loyal she's been that he freaks out. He's losing the one person he always trusted and expected to be in his corner, one of the only people who (according to Juliana) actually cared about him and saw good in him. There was also cut dialogue from the script where he tells her how much he cares about her. If he didn't care, he wouldn't have had such a strong reaction to her wanting to leave. It shows how immature Kendall is. I don't think it had anything to do with her "stepping out of line" though. He's a petulant child having a tantrum because someone he loves is essentially telling him they're done with him.
@@sparklecloverKendall doesn't work for ATN does he? He'd have been CEO of all of Waystar. Ravenhead is news anchor. Mencken is the President of USA.
im glad roman is happy now
off topic but Arianna looks absolutely beautiful in this video, so glad you guys reached to this!
I don't know what it was about Logan's death, but I freakin bawled in the episode he died and in this one. It's probably just due to how incredible the writing of this show is. Logan was a complete asshole even to his own children, but his death was so sad. I guess that's what made it so realistic. We all have somebody close to us that we've gotten into arguments or said some truly hurtful things, but at the end of the day we still love them. Logan's death being so sudden couldn't be more realistic because that happens a lot.
Arianna has a lot of emotional intelligence.
They need to be engraving Kieran Culkin's Emmy since we have two weeks left. Watching this show again with y'all and Reel Time just made me realize how awful Kendall can be. I am team kids through and through though. I like them because they're awful but I think I overlooked some of his shittier moments when I first watched.
MINDHUNTERS NEXT or Vikings
YES TO MINDHUNTER!!!
You guys totally misread the Caroline scene lol
you guys should react to shameless
"I loved him very much. I miss him very much. He broke my heart...and he broke yours too."
I thought the final scene with Marcia and Shiv was outstanding. Really poignant stuff to end Marcia's character.
Kendall Roy speech is great. Will become an orator’s piece for Capitalism.
Honestly the people who side with Ken on the Rava situation are kinda wild, like yes okay Rava might be overreacting, but he literally said “do not fuck with me today” to her. Excuse me? Is that an acceptable way to speak to the mother of your children?
Yea, its understandable that Ken wants his family with him, but if I were Rava and he spoke to me like that, I would 100% not go. If he needed them there for emotional support then he could’ve said that. He could’ve said so many other things that could’ve swayed Rava but no, he was immediately dismissive and aggressive and out of touch with the feelings of everyone involved
marcia is a specific type of gold digger. 8:50
Oh if you want real, and family, The Sopranos is for you guys
go avs go!
Why do women always justify staying in obviously toxic relationships?
Kendal is as awful as his family, I don't know why people act like he's a good guy or more fit than the others...
He is awful, but the difference is that he actually occasionally has brief moments of self awareness where he feels bad about being awful. See the election episode with him agonizing about not being a good father, him saying he's a bad person in the s3 finale, etc. Shiv and Roman have never once admitted to being bad people, nor do they really care about being good people. But there is a part of Kendall that wants to be good and feels like shit about the fact that deep down, he knows that he really isn't.
It is 100% clear as day that Shiv and Roman do not care about the feelings or wellbeing of others. We do, however, get multiple instances of Ken wrestling with his morality (taking the blame after the car accident even though the waiter was the one that pulled the wheel, financially helping the family of the waiter, the election, recognizing he's not doing enough as a father, etc)
because he's always tried to be better, and is certainly nowhere as horrible as his sibs.
im sorry but kendal is allowed to be upset and want to take his children with him to his dads funeral (and it would be safe for him to look after his kids for an hour like its just not right) as someone who lost his father (admittedly at a much younger age) i get how emotional a day like this would be and how having two of his family members taken away and not even being with him at the funeral would be
Avs nice👍
Your reaction to the Marcia Kerry moment or lack there of broke my heart. You would have enjoyed this show way more if you weren't constantly tryna prove a point with every breathe.
they're not gonna catch every little detail on the first viewing. that's just the nature of reaction content.
@@amateuruncleI’ve rewatched this season 4 with them bc I haven’t had the emotional capacity to do it and I realized how much of a blur s4 was. It was too many emotions week to week plus discussing on succession twitter also helped me notice things I wouldn’t have and just this rewatch I’ve noticed even more. Plus I rewatched s1-3 2x each before s4. Succession is a dense text!! It gets better on rewatch imo. You really hone in on the psychology. I feel they’ve done an amazing job on the first watch! Only reaction I’ve been able to watch of succession. No other reactor actually picks up on things or gets the intent of the writing
@amateuruncle I appreciate your retort but it's not about catching every detail, it's about framing your mind to understand what the purpose of each moment is to drive home the thesis of the show. I agree that you can't catch every detail on a first viewing and I know that a reaction requires commentary, people miss THE definitive meaning when they try to inject there own.
These reactors are super-neurotic. Not in a bad way but just hyper-sensitive to negative emotions and very susceptible to anxiety. It means they miss a lot of stuff by overreacting to previous emotional beats and jumping to emotional conclusions.
Everyone's different ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@MaMvidS45 you're right but you're annoying as fuck
5:30 There was nothing respectful about it though. She scheduled it on the day of the funeral. It could have been before or after, but she picked the day of.
I don’t see any indication that she scheduled it the day of the funeral? It seems like Ken’s going through his calendar - he says “Monday… Tuesday…” then finds the meeting scheduled with Jess
Jess didn't have to put a meeting on Ken's calendar. She could have just quit. Him finding it ahead of time was a foreseeable outcome.
Naah, I don't know if you have worked in corporate but as a 'secretary' for a long time, you just don't quit. She isn't some IT guy you know. He was a moron, she wanted to not do it today and even then refused but the man-child kept insisting and then got mad.
Exactly. She scewed that up but she was probably in auto pilot mode when she made the appointment and forgot to reschedule it due to the craziness happening.
@@John_Locke_108 she probably had to schedule it immediately or she would have chickened out. There is no good time with Kendall. He would have been awful regardless the day
Kieran Culkin is going to win the emmy for this episode and it's bullshit, Jeremy Strong is a way better actor and gave his soul to Kendall Roy, Roman "being strong" after his father died was all bullshit and we knew it as an audience, we were all waiting for him to break at that funeral
BEGGING THE ACTING GODS FOR A JEREMY STRONG EMMY WIN
"we knew it was going to happen"
What does the actors performance have to do with you seeing something in the story coming?
Sarah Snook should win it. Period. I loved Jeremy's performance whole show but Sarah topped it this season.