cold start 4230 john deere diesel tractor
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ต.ค. 2024
- cold starting our 4230 john deere after I forgot to plug it in the day before it was about 13 degrees out at the time these 30 series john deeres were notorious for being shitty pigs when it comes to cold starting
As a former John Deere Area Service Manager may I offer some suggestions:
There is a metering attachment that SHOULD be on the tractor to meter starting fluid into the intake manifold. Injecting either directly into the intake manifold as shown in the video can do damage to the pistons. Also there is a block heater that will keep the anti-freeze warm and help in cold weather starting.
it actually helps the block heater hold in quite a bit of heat... helps quite a bit more than a person would expect... also helps it warm up a little faster
our good loader tractor is a 1964 4020 with a excel cab and a DU-AL 345 loader, one nice about owning a DU-AL loader is you,re never short of empty 5 gallon buckets
No ours is a 4 cylinder turbo rated at 82 HP with a JD 175 Loader and SG2 cab. I Love John Deere's it's the first tractor i drove when i started my job as a farm worker and it's always been my favourite and it's never let me down.
The 4230 cold start reminds me of mine .. Not a real good candidate for cold starts . My 4020 will out start it anytime , But still a great tractor .. Love it ..
the 2955 was produced from 87-92 was rated at 97 hp and used the gen III 5.9L whereas the 4230 replaced the 4020 was produced from 73-77 rated @ 100 horse and used the Gen II 6.6 liter... other than the appearance and power ratings these were two completely different animals and the 30 series tractors are notorious for terrible cold starting... but on the other hand check out my 2240 cold start youll like that one... and dont forget to subscribe cause theres more to come
I was LMAO! at this,reminds me of 35 years ago when we had our 4230,I remember my Old Man gettin so pissed at it that he would actually build a fire underneath the oil pan,worked everytime!I enjoyed your vids,keep em coming.I use to do some stuff in the 4230,but thats a WHOLE nother story.The 4230 is really 102 H.P.,not that it matters tho.I knew that damn thing was addicted to eaither the 1st 4 cranks.Ours had a loader on it too,never broke no bolts though.
I read in the owners manual that Plug in is a 2 to 4 hour process, not over night. Other wise some damage may occur
Never ceases to amaze me how some young men think it's important to advertise how they can start a engine that they failed to plug in or park inside in the warm. And it always seems like it's an older tractor that there grandfather or father worked hard to pay for. Comments like" low compression" and "hard starting" are usually the end result of too many " cold starts. I have several of these old 30 series and they start very easy after they are plugged in for several hours. Also, keeping the fuel level in the fuel tank above the height of the injection pump helps too. Shooting ether in a cranking engine is the safest way, if it must be done.
with a cold diesel it is the recomended starting procedure to throttle it all the way up so you get as much fuel into the cylinder as possible
I used to have a 4230 that was cold natured as well. Try leaving ur throttle all the way back, on a cold start, especially if you use starting fluid. You dont want to throw a rod. Also when cranking, turn your steering wheel back and forth, it will take pressure off the hydrallic pump and help it start.
we used to have two cylinder JDs and 2 of them were started using a big wheel on the side...ah, the good old days :)
Plug in a Grid Heater
the 30 series had to have those because they normally take forever to start......but if you plug it in it will warm the block up to the point where it will fire right up
the starter im talking about is a perminent magnet starter, like they use on the new tractors, the30 series orgionally used a delco remy, but ours and most other 30 series had them replaced with a nippondesno starter, looks like a delco but bigger and a little longer,but they now have the perment magnet gear reduction starter avalable now, best thing is go talk to the john deere dealer
I figured they must be just couldnt remember off the top of my head. I watched that video 24,000 hours is insane. We had a 5200 that had a three cylinder that hated the cold. ill be sure to subscribe cant wait to see whats ahead keep up the great work and keep them deeres a rollin
another trick to starting a cold diesel is to cut your fuel, and turn it over a few times. let it sit for a minute and repeat. The compressed air is hot and warms up your sleeves. then through the fuel in and its warm enough to ignite.
ether still works better though :)
AMEN TO THAT! my neighbor has a IH 684 ....wow you give it a shot of ether and one or two cranks and your in buisness.....awesome tractor..drove it myself a few times
sweet, I should try that on my tractor it can be a cold blooded pig sometimes too.
Love your videos. Keep them coming.
it is indeed a cub cadet but its a heavily modified 1650 hydrostatic... Im just now putting a video up about it and maybe Ill get around to starting it yet today too... and as for as the smoking Im not in the least offended and Ive been trying to quit for years its a bitch of a habit to quit... at any rate be sure to subscribe to catch more good videos including the cub cadet
I realy have to say I love your videos a lot...
lol @ John Deere i cant remember last time our 1086 had trouble like that but love the vids
Was there diesel in a red can?
I LOVE diesel power.
No glow plugs on that baby? That would be a hard start!
Suggestion;
have someone shoot the ether while you are cranking the engine, it will pull it in as a fine mist and should start on first try before battery is getting low.
My Jeep Liberty is diesel with glow plugs and it has started after sitting outside all night in 0 degree weather. Synthetic oil is required by manufacturer and may help your big, bad Johnny.
Diesel, nothing like it.
yup that was diesel... no glow plugs on that model though... Ive heard some really good and some really bad things about those liberty diesels but Ive always been a little curious about them... good to hear from another diesel lover... keep on trucking
I have one my dad bought brand new. Still on the farm running a chesil plow in the fall n digger in the spring. Very dependable tractor
Also have a 4030. Bought with the 4230. Always happy with it and its big jobs stock chopping. Hauling loads to the elevator and its the tractor we blow snow all winter with
ha ha very nice Ive never actually heard of doing that quite ingenious... cheers
Verry nice cold start !
LOL the thought has crossed my mind more than once
so were the 40 series, our old 4640 always needed a little starting fluid even in mild cold temps, but still was a great tractor.
its always hope and pray below 40 F with this 4230
yeah Im still running two 6 volts in series I hadnt even thought of trying the 12 volts so thanks for that... we do have the upgrade starter on it though
no problemo... we like it
I love the John Deere. My Tractor only has 12 gears.
Our JD 2140 always starts even in -10c it only has the air intake manifold glowplug . the coldest it's been in devon in the UK where i live was - 18c
@squirrel6158 it means plug in the tractor so it warms the block up so you dont have to use ether
We have a 2955 and ive started it as low as -5 without plugging it in or either no problem. I think the engines are similar. They are around the same horse power.
I get the feeling that Kayla hates being on camera or is camera shy because almost every time she's in one of the videos, she has a look on her face like ugh, Wayne, get the camera out of my face! LOL
no its not... as I mentioned several times before and as anyone who has owned a 30 series deere from the 70s will tell you these tractors are just terrible to start in anything below 40 degrees or so
wow, thats a rought cold start. my tiny 855 fires right up with no glow plugs at 15F perfectly.
I love Jhon deere I have a 1965 Jhon deere 110
Good. You had the work done...
Nice cold start I have a case ih 2394 and it starts better then that and it's more hp and has a bigger turbo I start it in minus 20 celcius and it doesn't use either and its notplugged in. case ih will never let you down!!!!
yeah, this particular 4230 didnt come equipped with glow plugs...doesnt even have an ether injection port... which kinda sucks
just trying to use up all the fuel weve got in the jugs before we start taking out of the big tanks... we try to save whats in the big tanks for haying season when we use the most fuel
yeah the viking will be up very soon for a cold start, but no luck on the snow now at least not for another 8 months or so
awesome thats the baby brother to our 2240... is yours the 3 cylinder diesel? I got a cold start video of the 2240 JD up now you aught to check it out
Man by the third take I was thinking it was a no go since it wasn't cranking very fast.
@willyford oh and by the way this tractor is natural aspirated, it has no turbo
John Deere's should always start and never have trouble starting
yeah gas starter motors kick ass
we have 4430,you need to plug it in when it gets cold or just don't mess with it, im going to put a 2,000 watt tank type heater on it, the block heater is too slow
Het Wayne u should do a cold start on the viking truck and make Kayla drive it in the snow!
yeah every 30 series JD Ive ever come across has been a pain in the ass to start cold If I dont pug ours in at anything below about 40 I have to use ether and hope for alot of luck
im reading up on other comments posted. very well. if you use eiither all you need is a sniff while its being turned. it may cause a head gasket to blow.
4020's are really good tractors
there is no other way to start this tractor the 30 series tractors were notoriously hard to start in the cold... if too much ether is used then yes major damage can be done but used in moderation it makes an excellent starting aid for some diesel vehicles... if it wasnt intended to be used then why did john deere put ether injection ports on some tractors
I spy a Chevette! You sure don't see too many of those anymore. Do you still have it around?
you should never use eather unless the engines half nackered and you dont plan on fixing it. i have a ih 485 and it got addicted and fucked up the seals on the pistons.
That's what i would i do, if i had a diesel that hard to start.
Our tractor we had a hard time trying to get it started. It finally starts and runs for two minutes and then runs out of diesel. After that
it was even harder to start it.
check if the engine glow plugs are working (do not test for over 30sec or they will burn)
install an gas preheater that will the glow plugs it will be easy
just got both boom cylinders fixed today, i noticed tonight one of the bucket cylinders is drooling now, hope i can just tighten the packing nut, yeah right,
no Im not disagreeing with you on that note the 30 series JD didnt start for squat at anything below 40F I dont give two hoots about what jack smack says about his 4230 starting at -70F just didnt happen (and if it did lets see a video lol)... as far as the color of tractor it all comes down to comfort with the controls and presonal preference and I just tend to lean a little more to the JDs cause thats what Ive been exposed to
amen to that dude...NOTHING RUNS LIKE A DEERE lol
thats the best way to go really... If you like this video check out my other videos... and be sure to rate and subscribe
@TheWackerfaxes no glow plugs or grid heater on this beast
yea man they will get used to it we have that 4560 in my vid and its the same way but we just take the filters out and spray a little in it because like you said it will get used to it lol and the guy down on this page said somthin about engine skip to long thats where the ether hit anybody that has worked around equipment knows that tractors these days are almost imune to tempertures above 0 degrees anything below needs a block heater
i put 2 12 volt batteries inparrell in the 4430 that helped a bunch,i serously thinking of putting a new gear reduction starter on it when the starter craps out, john deere has them $800.00 but im sure you can buy one cheaper
this tractor did not come equipped with a grid heater
I was LMAO! at this,reminds me of 35 years ago when we had our 4230,I remember my Old Man gettin so pissed at it that he would actually build a fire underneath the oil pan,worked everytime!I enjoyed your vids,keep em coming.I use to do some stuff in the 4230,but thats a WHOLE nother story.The 4230 is really 102 H.P.,not that it matters tho.I knew that damn thing was addicted to eaither the 1st 4 cranks.Ours had a loader on it too,never broke no bolts though.How come U dont use the "Either Cup"?
@cumminsdeiselpower not sure what type of set up he has but it either keeps the fuel from sludging or keeps the block warm.
We got a IH 766 no glow plugs block heater or heated garage or either starts the same in 90 degree weather as well -25 degree weather choose a different brand
I have a 4230... Why on earth would you start it dead cold with throttle wide open?...bad idea. And i never move mine till it warma uo and the hydro oil is warmer and the seals warm up. Cold oil going through cold o rings you start having leaks
@brian93ist any other suggestions for getting it started in the winter
@brian93ist yes I will agree with that but I had forgotten to plug it in the night before and didnt have time to wait for it so I had to do what I had to do
@willyford no I didnt blow it this winter or last winter or the winter before that and Im most likely not going to blow it next winter either, and as far as your "theory" goes it hasnt needed a lick of ether since about september so not quite sure where you come up with the its going to need more and more thing, furthermore maybe youd like to give me some great ideas on how to get it started since you know so much about this tractor or the 30 series in general
with ours any where below 50F, you better punch the either button
@wagner59270 that's nice wish ours had a cab and a heater.
I dont think I could say for sure Ive never run a 4630 before I did like the 4430 I ran though
My dad said if it doesn't start he said Either is your best friend.
"These 30 series John Deeres are notorious for being shitty pigs when it comes to cold starting."
So is my grandpa's 4040, cold or warm.
Full throttle?
no offense taken dude, and i realize that I did shoot in quite a bit but believe it or not thats actually what this tractor takes to wake it up, as much as I hate to do it, I think the previous owner must have shot it with a crap load of ether cause its been like that since the day we bought it, theres been 50-60 degree days where it wouldnt start without the go go juice
yeah I was starting to get a little worried myself
yeah Im pretty sure mine is about due for one
thanks dude
@1944johndeerel They had a 329 cubic in.
I havent run many 40 series in the cold but if their anything like the 30 series then its a raging blast eh lol
that ether is why it doesnt start in the cold
the 4240 is just as much of a pig to start in the cold :P
Does that have a heater in the cab?
@willyford are u huffing either, u might need more and more each time, but its ok to put in diesels
We have a 310 that starts right up after being plugged in for about 45 minutes... perhaps overnight is overkill?
lol i know we have a 1971 john deere 4320 and i bet it could beat the crap out of any case you threw at it lol
my 4430 john deere is just the same to start
cool vi ddude
Before I overhauled mine, Would not cold start at 65 degrees.
right on thats actually pretty unusual for this series of tractor... but hell yeah thats definitely nothing to bitch about
why do you use containers like that?
anyway, don't matter. 2755's are fuel hogs and coldblooded too
Well if ya call her a stupid pig she's gana give ya some trouble give her some love don't beat her with ether for not starting more of a chance with some sweet talk ya know!
maybe john deere should of kept the pony motor, like caterpillar did
Why does that tractor have a hard time starting in cold weather when it's cold?