I just bought this two months ago for home renovation projects. I use it a few times a day, and have still not needed to recharge the battery once since its initial charge. The blade that comes with it is so impressive, everything cuts smooth like soft pine, even plywood and hardwood. I love this saw.
Phenomenal video with unparalleled effort. I keep finding myself watching your videos every time you release a new one thinking these guys are going tooth and nail to become the best tool review youtube channel on the planet earth. Your growth will continue to grow - just make sure your youtube title names are on the mark, think what people will search for in the right words, especially when doing those huge comparison tests for each type of tool, those videos can easily draw a million views worldwide. Much appreciated for the time and effort you yourself Rob and your crew/friends put in to making these videos available worldwide all for free for the viewer. You sir are doing a fine job both on the video and text side with your website, thumbs up as always.
It was stated very quickly, but it is amazing to hear that there was a consensus that the Milwaukee actually has more power with their 18 volt platform.
the ol’ 8.5” 28yr old MACKEATER in the rouessoueuuueeèù ? stand with outfeed table is still kickin worked hard and only changed brushes once. Shows no signs of quitting my mentor gave it to me and my apprentice will be next lol no BS best job site tablesaw ever made.. it deserves its own review
I’m needing a smaller saw for this upcoming season and even though I’m fully vested into the M12/M18 platform? It’s great to see that Dewalt’s original efforts have held the test of time. (Hats off to Dewalt, and kudos to Milwaukee.)
Thank you, Rob, for taking the time to produce another excellent, thorough, and unbiased review. Personally, I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Makita will come out with a 36v X2 cordless table saw. I have their 36v tracksaw (sold my corded Festool to get it) and 36v miter saw and they've both been absolutely brilliant.
As usual thank you for the solid and fair reviews. There are so many reviewers doing this a side gig with Little experience in the trade. I know you are truthful and thorough with your reviews. After watching this I’m certain that you could go either way and be in good shape. I have a ton of Milwaukee batteries and Dewalt flexvolt batteries as well. I think it’s a toss up for the table saw, but Dewalt has Milwaukee on the miter saws.
They should make these cordless saws with a cord, just so you have the option. Also the saw should have a battery charger for the battery powered saw built right into it. Also another great idea offered as an ''option'' would be a generator that is pedal powered like those old stationery bicycles. They should also start making the ''table'' portion of the ''table saws'' out of solar panels that power the battery charger built into the saws. They should also make the saws with one or more of those generators that produce energy from movement/shaking like those flashlights that are already available, this way the saw charges up in the van/truck any time it's moved like on the ride to work. They should also add a light to the saws and built them right into it, this way you can see when moving it around at night or working in the dark. The saws should also have a corded radio built into/onto it that plugs into the table saw for power, the radio should also power ports for charging of backup batteries. A built-in coffee maker ('Mr. Milwaukee'?) would be nice... but that would also be a little over the top crazy... Thanks Rob
You guys came through right when I needed you! Been humming and hawing over this pre-order promotion in Canada (comes with an additional 12 Ah battery, free!) but I just needed a review to send me over the edge! I knew you guys would be first! Great job!
Atlas tools and mississauga hardware have it for $699 with extra 12 volt. But if you can wait I was speaking to milwaukee reps at home depot and in mid August I believe it will be $599 with extra battery. Having a big release than.
Yeah I was going to get it from BC Fasteners (closer to home) for the same free battery deal. Its tempting to wait for the price drop but I'm just one of those suckers that has to jump on a deal and can never roll the dice on a deal later ahaha. Especially when right out the gate, those batteries are $290 a piece. There's almost no other way I'll be getting 12 Ah battery at this early point in my contracting career.
Running at higher voltages favours less I2R (heat loss) and allows for smaller wire in motor windings. I agree with your extrapolation regarding the DeWalt's cutting capacity with a 12AH battery. I'd even suggest it will be better as the internal resistance of that battery will be even less resulting in less I2R losses with the battery heating up.
Agree with your crews who said the milwaukee TS seems to have more power. Feels like roughly 10% more powerful during use. Dewalt cordless TS had good power also during use. Always need a sharp blade also, not only for safety, but also for decent battery runtime on these units.
Thank you for this review. This is the kind of information I was looking for and pretty much solidified my decision. Most of my tools are Milwaukee with the exception of my Makita LXT miter. As much as I have enjoyed all my corded DeWalt saws, I really didn't want to be in the position of juggling so many different batteries and chargers. It seems that both table saws are excellent little saws so going with either is just fine.
Rob - Great breakdown. I love your deep tool knowledge and that it's based in truly understanding that a tool is a tool for doing work, not just an item you prattle off features about. Another one well done.
I think the biggest thing when it comes to which tool line to get is where you start. If you start buying Makita, Ryobi, etc. that's what you will stick with because you already have the batteries and chargers. Where the issue starts is someone just starting to buy cordless tools...that's where your run times and power would come more into play I assume? I don't have the Dewalt cordless saw, but I really wonder how much the lack of having 2 miter slots would make in a production type job? I know i use them quite a bit on my Ridgid contractor saw, and my Skil portable saw so the lack of that one miter slot may be a huge deal for some. Great review by the way. I like when people review stuff who aren't biased for or against a particular brand....thank you.
Also where you live. I am in Middle America and you just don't see Makita, or Hitachi table saws and other tools and brands full line. there are times where I needed a new tool ASAP and going with a few of those brands I just mentioned would be more troublesome. don't have the time to wait for a tool to be ordered and delivered.
True, Dewalt Table saws have been a go to saw for years, I bought the Elecric jobsite saw some 15 years ago and didn't care for the fence at all or the stand, Sold it 8 months later and got the Ridgit from H.D. and just love it , Many others have thought so as well. Way better then the Dewalt Imho.
Good work as always. Milwaukee definitely takes designs and adds to them, all their tools are top notch. They have some nifty one off tools as well. I have the Flexvolt saw and would be happy to own either. I wish the Dewalt saw have two miter slots and dado capability, but I haven't need them yet. I was still able to make a scarfing jig and crosscut sled work with one miter slot. I still have some Milwaukee tools around the garage from before I switched and I'm happy with both sets. Both tools sets have had their issues, but are great.
ordered mine a month and half ago the reps promised me it would get it beginning this month, but ain't holding my breath , I had to wait over 6 months for ordered tools, so hopefully soon
Hey Rob! Thanks for the review. I’ve been wanting a cordless tablesaw for a while now. I’m already invested in Milwaukee tools and didn’t want to buy into another battery system, especially since I have 4 others already. Now I know what I’m going to ask Santa for. Have a great 4th.
I have seen several videos of this saw petering out after short usage. I don`t think cordless table saws are quite there yet, but they are getting close.
Sweet! I won't ask how you got it so quick. I just can't wait for the videos to come. Power station/home backup power supply(lol), with 4 of them I would imagine you could use it for days if the power goes out for lights and other basic things. Thanks for all you do Rob!
Great videos sir. I ordered one and im not a professional. Just a weekend DIYer. I bought the miter saw too and a bunch of other m18 tools. Can wait to try them out!
Hayden Gregory hey there, i got the 10” miter saw and it came with a free 12ah battery. The 7 tool fuel set that I bought came with the fuel jigsaw 👍😎 i went on a crazy shopping spree at home depot and spent like $4k. Gonna make a video showing everything I got. 👍
Hi, Robert. I am buying Genesis GTS10SB 10" Table Saw and asked the Genesis for the size of Dado blade saw that fits in this table saw and they are unable to help me. Do you know by any chance what is the size of the dado blade saw fits in this Genesis GTS10SB, 8" or 6" blade? Thanks.
The DeWalt and Milwaukee cordless table saws are pretty close with each other. In my opinion the DeWalt 60 Volt Flex is still top of the battery food chain because they are equally compatible with all of their other cordless XR tools.
Irish62 Sullivan I think they may be on top for build quality - the Flexvolt battery is only backward compatible. Milwaukee is 100% forward and backward compatible
Rob, you mentioned using a dado and Milwaukee offering a wider throat plate to accommodate the dado stack. Does the wider throat plate come with the saw or will it be an additional purchase accessory?
Does One-Key allow you to change the blade speed? If so, would slowing it down from 6300 RPM to 5800 RPM to match DeWalt's speed change the Wh/cut calculation?
MidnightInsight no, it doesn’t allow speed changes. Lockout, location, and inventory (check in, check out) are the ONE-KEY features implemented on this saw.
Not all Milwaukee products are the best in every category, but they are always at the top. That being said, this table saw is the better saw, run time can always be taken care of with another battery and a charger since the M18 batteries will work on this saw. As always a great review. Keep up the good work, I love your reviews.
If I was to buy this used, is it difficult to bring the “one key” back to factory settings, or how does that all work? I don’t know anything about one key
Thanks for the review Rob. And your corded table saw the other day was your best yet ever seen from all channels related to a review. You put some money, time and tech into that review! You didn't commit either way between Dewalt and Milwaukee? I can't stomach another battery platform in 60 volt depsite having most dewalt 20 volt tools. I think unless dewalt comes out with some crazy 60 volt tools it's not worth it. At the end of the day you will always have two batteries so linear foot cuts are really not that important. I don't think one would run out of juice in 2018 with battery technology where its at and Milwaukee will just release a newer battery in 2019. Most legit trades in 2018 will have a Festool track and mft set up to compliment there tools and be using a tables saw for ripping and than finishing up on the Mft3. The rough carpenters may need a plug in machine because accuracy is not the crucial and just need to be constantly rip and banging away... But it sounds like the Milwaukee can handles this also! What I find most important is the rack and pinion fence and the fact that lowering and raising the blade has been significantly reduced. Would love the saw stop gearing in it! How is the mitre cuts and accuracy? Any chance you can compare powered 120 to cordless? Keep up the great work!
I'd be curious to see a side by side test with some oak. Wondering if the m18 saw is geared for strength of cut over run time in comparison with the dewalt.
With regards to the battery stuff, if you consider that battery efficiency may not increase linearly with battery capacity could explain why Milwaukee appears to be less efficient than the De-Walt. Maybe... IMHO...
What is the point of a cordless table saw? Once you're lugging around tools that large to a place thst may not have power, bringing a generator seems more practical.
or if you are American you could buy the only brand that is At Least Assembled in the U.S.A. Dewalt but then again I forget that people don't care that much about their country.
I think your extrapolation has an error. It would be 33 x 12/9, which is 44 cuts expected from the DeWalt 12AH. However, the higher density cells are known to test below their capacity at high draws.
It was Mentioned that the DeWalt can also do 18v at 9ah aren’t the DeWalt saws 20V? Are they able to run on lower voltage or how does that work? Watt Hours (Wh) is obtained by multiplying the Volts by AmpHours VxAH=WH I’m confused so if DeWalt released a 20v12Ah battery then that would mean 240WH to Milwaukee’s 216WH right? Meaning it still have either better WH per cut average or longer runtime since it’s a 20V tool So shouldn’t the Extrapolation of the cuts based on a 12AH 20V(20Vx12AH=240WH) be this :: 240WH / 4.9AH per cut = 49 cuts and not 52 cuts?
I might be the only home woodworker with a garage shop too small to put in the full-sized table saw I want, but I doubt it. While I can bring home sheets of plywood, I lack the room for a table saw inside the garage. I do have room to store a portable jobsite saw like this, and since I am invested in the M18 tool/battery system, I'm buying myself this saw. I can carry it 20 feet to my flat driveway and do my cutting there, instead of waiting for the lumberyard to cut my plywood down on their panel saw, or trying to make loooong straight cuts with a circular saw out in the driveway. Corded jobsite saw perhaps? Sorry, my little garage has two 15a circuits - one of which is shared with the outlets on the adjacent wall in the living room! If I run a 13-15a tool on the shared circuity, it'll pop. If I run it on the unshared circuit, I have to shut off a couple of things first. I'd rather go cordless, since I already have eight M18 batteries in various Ah sizes, and I'd get the 12.0Ah batt combo kitted with the saw.
5:06 what do you mean 6in. Stap dayto? ?? And what is the flat dayto that you said that Milwaukee made a special for this saw? ?I haven't seen anything on Milwaukeetools ... Thanks again
What good is the 60v flexvolt line then. If it still just comes down to amp hours. I figured there would be no way possible a 18 volt saw could keep up with a 54 volt saw.
Did the flex volt saw have the cloth underneath or not? I know different versions may not just like the quick release insert plate where I am. If I bought the correct saw for my country I needed a tool to remove the insert plate but a parallel imported one from America came with the tool less insert plate.
Thanks rob for that review was hunting for it all time. In my opinion how much linear feet of board for dewalt table saw. And again what stopping Milwaukee from making a 120 volt platform with one battery now that would be a thriller to see.
Good on you for bringing up the Watt-Hours of the batteries - that's the true measure. Voltage doesn't matter much in brushless motors - especially once you are in whole numbers ;-)
Great video. As for the saw, Ive yet to see any cordless table saws in my neck of the woods. Who's using them? By the time table saws hit a house there is power already. Sheathing maybe?
Just ordered the Milwaukee one yesterday. Kinda wish I didn’t wait so long because the price has certainly gone up quite a bit. Paid $500 plus even with a discount.
You dont I use a 18v makita dust extractor with mine and it works fine. And when I say that I mean almost every day. An AC vacuum is better but not greatly.
You only have to have common sense to understand the dust collecting was his personal addition to be clean during the video. this was a review of a product for F's sake. No you would not use a vacuum for dust collector on a job site in almost all cases. simmer down little buddy it was a tool review. and good for him for wanting to be clean. because as a contractor I will be the first to say 99% of you guys are messy AF and NEVER clean up after yourselves. good lord people are ignorant.
If you use this commercially, buy a second large, 9 or 12 amp hour battery. I'm a DIY guy and use 5, 9 and 12 hour amp. hour batteries. I built my own cabinet with left side extension, and out feed table that fold down. I am now using a circ. saw blade, that is quieter and improves battery life. There is a clip to hold the saw to the stand... Try it.
rich hubert hitachi has their multi-volt saw coming out this summer or q3. We’re planning a cordless table saw head to head with Dewalt, Milwaukee, and the Hitachi when that saw is released. Jeff @ ToolBoxBuzz
Thanks for video, it is great analysis. Maybe another difference would be dado saw capability in both units. I am planning to buy my first table saw, but I can not make on my mind yet. I love my m12 cordless hammer drill from Milwaukee with two batteries but I am also dewalt fan. Not sure which would be better and more versatile.
@@ConcordCarpenter Sorry for the dumb question. This is my first table saw and I want to order dado blade set before it arrives next week. So to confirm, even though it's a 8¼" diameter saw...don't order a 8¼" dado set. Order a 6" diameter.
thecookster92 they need to. I believe it would have been a great way to show off the 12.0 battery instead of just upgrading the motor of their current circ saw.
Great review thx! It all depends on which battery brand you have already invested in so even if Dewalt is better I’m so invested in Milwaukee batteries already
I just bought this two months ago for home renovation projects. I use it a few times a day, and have still not needed to recharge the battery once since its initial charge. The blade that comes with it is so impressive, everything cuts smooth like soft pine, even plywood and hardwood. I love this saw.
The fact that Milwaukee is doing it at 18 volts vs 54 volts for Dewalt is pretty impressive on its own.
I have nothing but high regards for Millwakee products...I'm a commercial carpenter and by far the best.
Phenomenal video with unparalleled effort. I keep finding myself watching your videos every time you release a new one thinking these guys are going tooth and nail to become the best tool review youtube channel on the planet earth.
Your growth will continue to grow - just make sure your youtube title names are on the mark, think what people will search for in the right words, especially when doing those huge comparison tests for each type of tool, those videos can easily draw a million views worldwide.
Much appreciated for the time and effort you yourself Rob and your crew/friends put in to making these videos available worldwide all for free for the viewer.
You sir are doing a fine job both on the video and text side with your website, thumbs up as always.
Ryan s Thank you for the advice, going to work harder at those tiles and thank you for the great feedback and compliment
Ryan thanks for the tip and feedback, much appreciated
It was stated very quickly, but it is amazing to hear that there was a consensus that the Milwaukee actually has more power with their 18 volt platform.
the ol’ 8.5” 28yr old MACKEATER in the rouessoueuuueeèù ? stand with outfeed table is still kickin worked hard and only changed brushes once. Shows no signs of quitting my mentor gave it to me and my apprentice will be next lol no BS best job site tablesaw ever made.. it deserves its own review
I’m needing a smaller saw for this upcoming season and even though I’m fully vested into the M12/M18 platform? It’s great to see that Dewalt’s original efforts have held the test of time. (Hats off to Dewalt, and kudos to Milwaukee.)
Thank you, Rob, for taking the time to produce another excellent, thorough, and unbiased review. Personally, I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Makita will come out with a 36v X2 cordless table saw. I have their 36v tracksaw (sold my corded Festool to get it) and 36v miter saw and they've both been absolutely brilliant.
As usual thank you for the solid and fair reviews. There are so many reviewers doing this a side gig with Little experience in the trade.
I know you are truthful and thorough with your reviews.
After watching this I’m certain that you could go either way and be in good shape.
I have a ton of Milwaukee batteries and Dewalt flexvolt batteries as well. I think it’s a toss up for the table saw, but Dewalt has Milwaukee on the miter saws.
xXAnchormonXx naw the 7-1/4 is better than dewalts
Hands down...you offer the best, most thorough tool reviews I’ve seen. Keep it up and thanks!!!
Yeah there’s a lot of terrible videos out there and I hate the ones with music all on them. Ugh. I like His videos too.
Thanks Rob/toolboxbuzz for an honest,and non schilly review! Am planning on buying when it comes out.
I've been using mine for 2 years, HEAVY. And I love it. Hands down, my favorite go to table saw! Going into a (semi)permanent table!
Thanks for sharing!
They should make these cordless saws with a cord, just so you have the option. Also the saw should have a battery charger for the battery powered saw built right into it. Also another great idea offered as an ''option'' would be a generator that is pedal powered like those old stationery bicycles. They should also start making the ''table'' portion of the ''table saws'' out of solar panels that power the battery charger built into the saws. They should also make the saws with one or more of those generators that produce energy from movement/shaking like those flashlights that are already available, this way the saw charges up in the van/truck any time it's moved like on the ride to work. They should also add a light to the saws and built them right into it, this way you can see when moving it around at night or working in the dark. The saws should also have a corded radio built into/onto it that plugs into the table saw for power, the radio should also power ports for charging of backup batteries. A built-in coffee maker ('Mr. Milwaukee'?) would be nice... but that would also be a little over the top crazy...
Thanks Rob
I trust Rob because of his track record on this channel. I'm an electrician but I'm definitely getting one of these table saws.
You guys came through right when I needed you! Been humming and hawing over this pre-order promotion in Canada (comes with an additional 12 Ah battery, free!) but I just needed a review to send me over the edge! I knew you guys would be first! Great job!
Atlas tools and mississauga hardware have it for $699 with extra 12 volt. But if you can wait I was speaking to milwaukee reps at home depot and in mid August I believe it will be $599 with extra battery. Having a big release than.
Yeah I was going to get it from BC Fasteners (closer to home) for the same free battery deal. Its tempting to wait for the price drop but I'm just one of those suckers that has to jump on a deal and can never roll the dice on a deal later ahaha. Especially when right out the gate, those batteries are $290 a piece. There's almost no other way I'll be getting 12 Ah battery at this early point in my contracting career.
I'm still waiting for another bare tool deal for the cordless Milwaukee shears after dropping the ball two black fridays ago ahaha
Running at higher voltages favours less I2R (heat loss) and allows for smaller wire in motor windings. I agree with your extrapolation regarding the DeWalt's cutting capacity with a 12AH battery. I'd even suggest it will be better as the internal resistance of that battery will be even less resulting in less I2R losses with the battery heating up.
Agree with your crews who said the milwaukee TS seems to have more power. Feels like roughly 10% more powerful during use. Dewalt cordless TS had good power also during use. Always need a sharp blade also, not only for safety, but also for decent battery runtime on these units.
Such a nice, thorough, honest review, Rob. Thumbs up!
Thank you for this review. This is the kind of information I was looking for and pretty much solidified my decision. Most of my tools are Milwaukee with the exception of my Makita LXT miter. As much as I have enjoyed all my corded DeWalt saws, I really didn't want to be in the position of juggling so many different batteries and chargers. It seems that both table saws are excellent little saws so going with either is just fine.
great review, you sold me on the milwaukee saw, i’m getting it next week. thank you!
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Rob - Great breakdown. I love your deep tool knowledge and that it's based in truly understanding that a tool is a tool for doing work, not just an item you prattle off features about. Another one well done.
The TOOLS Show thanks man
Great thorough review, Rob!
Doresoom Reviews hope you get one for a review can’t wait!
thx brother
I think the biggest thing when it comes to which tool line to get is where you start. If you start buying Makita, Ryobi, etc. that's what you will stick with because you already have the batteries and chargers. Where the issue starts is someone just starting to buy cordless tools...that's where your run times and power would come more into play I assume? I don't have the Dewalt cordless saw, but I really wonder how much the lack of having 2 miter slots would make in a production type job? I know i use them quite a bit on my Ridgid contractor saw, and my Skil portable saw so the lack of that one miter slot may be a huge deal for some.
Great review by the way. I like when people review stuff who aren't biased for or against a particular brand....thank you.
Also where you live. I am in Middle America and you just don't see Makita, or Hitachi table saws and other tools and brands full line. there are times where I needed a new tool ASAP and going with a few of those brands I just mentioned would be more troublesome. don't have the time to wait for a tool to be ordered and delivered.
True, Dewalt Table saws have been a go to saw for years, I bought the Elecric jobsite saw some 15 years ago and didn't care for the fence at all or the stand, Sold it 8 months later and got the Ridgit from H.D. and just love it , Many others have thought so as well. Way better then the Dewalt Imho.
Good work as always. Milwaukee definitely takes designs and adds to them, all their tools are top notch. They have some nifty one off tools as well.
I have the Flexvolt saw and would be happy to own either. I wish the Dewalt saw have two miter slots and dado capability, but I haven't need them yet. I was still able to make a scarfing jig and crosscut sled work with one miter slot. I still have some Milwaukee tools around the garage from before I switched and I'm happy with both sets. Both tools sets have had their issues, but are great.
ordered mine a month and half ago the reps promised me it would get it beginning this month, but ain't holding my breath , I had to wait over 6 months for ordered tools, so hopefully soon
Hey Rob! Thanks for the review. I’ve been wanting a cordless tablesaw for a while now. I’m already invested in Milwaukee tools and didn’t want to buy into another battery system, especially since I have 4 others already. Now I know what I’m going to ask Santa for.
Have a great 4th.
Bernarr Coletta yeah stick to your battery platform
December is a long ways away. . .
Another fantastic tool review. You guys rock👍
That's a great review Rob ! Thanks a lot for that ! I'm looking forward for the next comparison with the 60v 12Ah ! ( Team Milwaukee 👊🏻 )
Thanks Rob, mine just arrived.
I have seen several videos of this saw petering out after short usage. I don`t think cordless table saws are quite there yet, but they are getting close.
The Dewalt 12ah battery is available from Tool Nut for pre order, ships on August 1st. An eternity.
yup and we just got one yesterday!!!
Sweet! I won't ask how you got it so quick. I just can't wait for the videos to come. Power station/home backup power supply(lol), with 4 of them I would imagine you could use it for days if the power goes out for lights and other basic things. Thanks for all you do Rob!
What's the smallest amp hour battery this saw will function with?
chris veith we used it with a 5.0Ah or see if it would work - it did
Good review as always. Just ordered this, excited to see how it performs :)
Badass, looking forward to this and other new tools
Familia M while you are still waiting for this to come out. I’m FLEX VOLTIN’ all over the job site.
renaissanceman lol. Always on my comments, I'm on the Milwaukee platform, but I do own the corded DeWalt table saw
Familia M just good fun bro. I just drumming up sales for Renaissance Tools. SEND STRAIGHT CASH HOMIE!!!
renaissanceman lol I know. You have a website or something to order from?
Awesome review, the best one I could find.Thanks a lot!
Thanks Rob!
Great videos sir. I ordered one and im not a professional. Just a weekend DIYer. I bought the miter saw too and a bunch of other m18 tools. Can wait to try them out!
The Ronin Chronicle did you order off of tool but they had a killer deal on m18 7-1/4 miter saw and D handle jig saw!! Might need to get this soon
Hayden Gregory hey there, i got the 10” miter saw and it came with a free 12ah battery. The 7 tool fuel set that I bought came with the fuel jigsaw 👍😎 i went on a crazy shopping spree at home depot and spent like $4k.
Gonna make a video showing everything I got. 👍
mine didn't come with a dado throat plate. but it's ok, i love everything else about it!
Great review as usual
Keep it coming!!!
Great review rob
Excellent Rob ! Thanks
I want to make a 19mm birch ply walk in wardrobe with this do you think it’s a good saw for the job?
Hi, Robert. I am buying Genesis GTS10SB 10" Table Saw and asked the Genesis
for the size of Dado blade saw that fits in this table saw and they are
unable to help me. Do you know by any chance what is the size of the
dado blade saw fits in this Genesis GTS10SB, 8" or 6" blade? Thanks.
If u didn't catch where there from from him saying, or by how he says saw-r, you can def tell by just seeing how they frame
The DeWalt and Milwaukee cordless table saws are pretty close with each other. In my opinion the DeWalt 60 Volt Flex is still top of the battery food chain because they are equally compatible with all of their other cordless XR tools.
Irish62 Sullivan I think they may be on top for build quality - the Flexvolt battery is only backward compatible. Milwaukee is 100% forward and backward compatible
Fantastic information as usual. Thanks so much.
Rob, you mentioned using a dado and Milwaukee offering a wider throat plate to accommodate the dado stack. Does the wider throat plate come with the saw or will it be an additional purchase accessory?
Daniel Julian additional accessory. Jeff @TBB
accessory
Does One-Key allow you to change the blade speed? If so, would slowing it down from 6300 RPM to 5800 RPM to match DeWalt's speed change the Wh/cut calculation?
MidnightInsight no, it doesn’t allow speed changes. Lockout, location, and inventory (check in, check out) are the ONE-KEY features implemented on this saw.
no
Not all Milwaukee products are the best in every category, but they are always at the top. That being said, this table saw is the better saw, run time can always be taken care of with another battery and a charger since the M18 batteries will work on this saw. As always a great review. Keep up the good work, I love your reviews.
If I was to buy this used, is it difficult to bring the “one key” back to factory settings, or how does that all work? I don’t know anything about one key
Another great review. I wonder if using the same Diablo blades on each saw would make any difference.
would be good if you could connect with the packout systym
Thanks for the review Rob. And your corded table saw the other day was your best yet ever seen from all channels related to a review. You put some money, time and tech into that review!
You didn't commit either way between Dewalt and Milwaukee? I can't stomach another battery platform in 60 volt depsite having most dewalt 20 volt tools. I think unless dewalt comes out with some crazy 60 volt tools it's not worth it.
At the end of the day you will always have two batteries so linear foot cuts are really not that important. I don't think one would run out of juice in 2018 with battery technology where its at and Milwaukee will just release a newer battery in 2019. Most legit trades in 2018 will have a Festool track and mft set up to compliment there tools and be using a tables saw for ripping and than finishing up on the Mft3. The rough carpenters may need a plug in machine because accuracy is not the crucial and just need to be constantly rip and banging away... But it sounds like the Milwaukee can handles this also!
What I find most important is the rack and pinion fence and the fact that lowering and raising the blade has been significantly reduced. Would love the saw stop gearing in it!
How is the mitre cuts and accuracy?
Any chance you can compare powered 120 to cordless?
Keep up the great work!
I'd be curious to see a side by side test with some oak. Wondering if the m18 saw is geared for strength of cut over run time in comparison with the dewalt.
With regards to the battery stuff, if you consider that battery efficiency may not increase linearly with battery capacity could explain why Milwaukee appears to be less efficient than the De-Walt. Maybe... IMHO...
What is the point of a cordless table saw? Once you're lugging around tools that large to a place thst may not have power, bringing a generator seems more practical.
Sometimes there's not enough power. Or just no power outlets
Batteries are a big profit generator for them. Electric cords don’t make money.
Great review as usual. Looks like it's another case of pick your colour and go with them thanks for a great review once again keep it up.
or if you are American you could buy the only brand that is At Least Assembled in the U.S.A. Dewalt but then again I forget that people don't care that much about their country.
I think your extrapolation has an error. It would be 33 x 12/9, which is 44 cuts expected from the DeWalt 12AH. However, the higher density cells are known to test below their capacity at high draws.
It was Mentioned that the DeWalt can also do 18v at 9ah aren’t the DeWalt saws 20V? Are they able to run on lower voltage or how does that work? Watt Hours (Wh) is obtained by multiplying the Volts by AmpHours VxAH=WH
I’m confused so if DeWalt released a 20v12Ah battery then that would mean 240WH to Milwaukee’s 216WH right? Meaning it still have either better WH per cut average or longer runtime since it’s a 20V tool
So shouldn’t the Extrapolation of the cuts based on a 12AH 20V(20Vx12AH=240WH) be this ::
240WH / 4.9AH per cut = 49 cuts and not 52 cuts?
Nice job Rob, as usual
I might be the only home woodworker with a garage shop too small to put in the full-sized table saw I want, but I doubt it. While I can bring home sheets of plywood, I lack the room for a table saw inside the garage. I do have room to store a portable jobsite saw like this, and since I am invested in the M18 tool/battery system, I'm buying myself this saw. I can carry it 20 feet to my flat driveway and do my cutting there, instead of waiting for the lumberyard to cut my plywood down on their panel saw, or trying to make loooong straight cuts with a circular saw out in the driveway.
Corded jobsite saw perhaps? Sorry, my little garage has two 15a circuits - one of which is shared with the outlets on the adjacent wall in the living room! If I run a 13-15a tool on the shared circuity, it'll pop. If I run it on the unshared circuit, I have to shut off a couple of things first. I'd rather go cordless, since I already have eight M18 batteries in various Ah sizes, and I'd get the 12.0Ah batt combo kitted with the saw.
5:06 what do you mean 6in. Stap dayto? ??
And what is the flat dayto that you said that Milwaukee made a special for this saw? ?I haven't seen anything on Milwaukeetools ...
Thanks again
נועם אברהם דודאי stacked dado
This might be a dumb question... but can I run a dado stack with these? I know I’ll probably only get like 5 cuts, but had to ask!
What good is the 60v flexvolt line then. If it still just comes down to amp hours. I figured there would be no way possible a 18 volt saw could keep up with a 54 volt saw.
Wish they had a corded version
David Dawson isn’t Milwaukee strictly cordless only with everything they bring out? So I doubt they will make one
Did the flex volt saw have the cloth underneath or not? I know different versions may not just like the quick release insert plate where I am. If I bought the correct saw for my country I needed a tool to remove the insert plate but a parallel imported one from America came with the tool less insert plate.
I believe they do
Curtis Ongley No the flex volt has an aluminum enclosure
Ok then I have a different version that has a cloth/canvas cover to the sides with foam padding to the front of the blade under the table.
Yes, both do. The Milwaukee has aluminum with a thick vinyl fabric. The dewalt has aluminum with a type of cordura fabric.
So which one is quieter?
Thanks rob for that review was hunting for it all time. In my opinion how much linear feet of board for dewalt table saw. And again what stopping Milwaukee from making a 120 volt platform with one battery now that would be a thriller to see.
Have you computed the cost to charge the battery and runtime compare the cost to run a cordless tools?
no
That's the exact same fence system from DeWalt. Rack & Pinion front & back + flip over fence support.
yep
How would the Milwaukee and DeWalt compare to the Metabo C3610DRJQ4M?
I think they’re both superior
how accurate are they, with the fence?
At 14:23 looks very wobbly cutting that wood why?
not wobbly
@@ConcordCarpenter umm look at your video
@@David-ki1oq The only thing I see is a long, heavy, pressure treated 2 x 4 that was warped
@@ConcordCarpenter like I said looked wobbly
Good on you for bringing up the Watt-Hours of the batteries - that's the true measure. Voltage doesn't matter much in brushless motors - especially once you are in whole numbers ;-)
Anyone hear if Makita will be putting out a cordless table saw anytime soon?
I think you made an error, on your DeWalt extrapolation, you changed the cost per cut from 4.9 to 4.9 wh per cut
is there an adapter to use with the milwaukee backpack vacuum?
Great video. As for the saw, Ive yet to see any cordless table saws in my neck of the woods. Who's using them? By the time table saws hit a house there is power already. Sheathing maybe?
Joe Blow we use it regardless, for convenience
Just ordered the Milwaukee one yesterday. Kinda wish I didn’t wait so long because the price has certainly gone up quite a bit. Paid $500 plus even with a discount.
It does not make sense to me to go cordless tablesaw, but need a corded vacuum for dust collection.
You dont I use a 18v makita dust extractor with mine and it works fine. And when I say that I mean almost every day. An AC vacuum is better but not greatly.
You only have to have common sense to understand the dust collecting was his personal addition to be clean during the video. this was a review of a product for F's sake. No you would not use a vacuum for dust collector on a job site in almost all cases. simmer down little buddy it was a tool review. and good for him for wanting to be clean. because as a contractor I will be the first to say 99% of you guys are messy AF and NEVER clean up after yourselves. good lord people are ignorant.
If you use this commercially, buy a second large, 9 or 12 amp hour battery. I'm a DIY guy and use 5, 9 and 12 hour amp. hour batteries. I built my own cabinet with left side extension, and out feed table that fold down. I am now using a circ. saw blade, that is quieter and improves battery life. There is a clip to hold the saw to the stand... Try it.
Team RED!
Spot on about cordless jobsite use. I'm completely cordless on the jobsite these days and will never go back.
great video, can anyone let me know if it is bad practice to store one of these on its side to save space? thanks!
Very nice review. You used the new Milwaukee blades on both saws. How do you like them?
their ok
I would love to see a 9AH side by side comp.
i have a crap table saw, so my blade height wheel broke, i ground the stud so i can just use a 10 mm socket on my drill driver to raise and lower it
Does anyone know how the electric brake works on this saw? Thank you!
Nice review Rob. Was wondering if you had any insight on future competitors coming out with cordless table saws?
rich hubert hitachi has their multi-volt saw coming out this summer or q3. We’re planning a cordless table saw head to head with Dewalt, Milwaukee, and the Hitachi when that saw is released. Jeff @ ToolBoxBuzz
Hitachi
Thanks guys!
Are you saying Hitachi or Metabo?
Thanks for video, it is great analysis. Maybe another difference would be dado saw capability in both units. I am planning to buy my first table saw, but I can not make on my mind yet. I love my m12 cordless hammer drill from Milwaukee with two batteries but I am also dewalt fan. Not sure which would be better and more versatile.
Would this be good for a DIY hobbiest? I dont have alot of room and have a m18 platform of tools.
*a lot
Also, yes.
Can someone explain what he meant by 6" dado. You can stack blades up to 6" wide?
PowerScissor 6” blade
@@ConcordCarpenter Sorry for the dumb question. This is my first table saw and I want to order dado blade set before it arrives next week. So to confirm, even though it's a 8¼" diameter saw...don't order a 8¼" dado set. Order a 6" diameter.
Do you know if Milwaukee going to make a cordless worm drive saw?
thecookster92 they need to. I believe it would have been a great way to show off the 12.0 battery instead of just upgrading the motor of their current circ saw.
Was the saw calibrated out of the box?
Yes
Very good review.
Why is Makita not in the mix?
Andrew Broyles t wasn’t aware they had a cordless tablesaw?..
Isnt the dewalt flexvolt 9.0 ah for their 20 volt tools and 3.0 ah for their 60 volt tools?
yes but apples for apples its 18v 9ah as the milaukee isnt a 60v battery.
FlexVolt is marketed as 60V MAX, it's actually only 54V nominal running at 4 Ah, it's only 9 Ah when it's running on a 20V MAX tool.
7:30 you gave me anxiety
Great review thx! It all depends on which battery brand you have already invested in so even if Dewalt is better I’m so invested in Milwaukee batteries already
Totally agree!