The Importance Of Electronics In Modern Drumming
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 มิ.ย. 2024
- Mike Sleath is the touring drummer for international artist Shawn Mendes. He has played hundreds of shows and has played for some of the largest crowds you can imagine. And for Mike, electronics are a staple and a must-have when he hits the road. From simple triggers to sample pads, each added element allows him to tailor his playing for Shawn and to create the best possible experience for the audience.
By adding triggers to his kit Mike is able to dial in the perfect sound for each song. In addition, he is also able to change and add to his sound during the song itself. By adding a sample pad to his arsenal Mike is able to trigger loops and backing tracks, add layers to his kit and customize his performance however he likes. If the song needs something extra, Mike can and will deliver.
That is the importance of electronics in modern drumming. No matter the scenario electronics allow you to deliver the best experience for your audience, your band, and, ultimately, yourself.
So what can you, as a drummer, do to ensure you keep up with modern trends and add more to your performance? What can you do to become the ultimate gigging drummer? That's what this video is all about.
#ultimategiggingdrummer #electronicsindrumming #drumeo
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0:00 - Concept Demo
0:20 - Gear Overview
1:07 - Gear And Samples Used In "If I Can't Have You" by Shawn Mendes
2:42 - "If I Can't Have You" Performance Demo
3:45 - Gear And Samples Used In "In My Blood" by Shawn Mendes
4:48 - "In My Blood" Performance Demo
6:12 - Gear And Samples Used In "Treat You Better" by Shawn Mendes
7:36 - "Treat You Better" Performance Demo
8:12 - Outro
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I’m not a gigantic Shawn Mendes fan, but this is pretty cool.
I really liked it when he dragged the stick down the HiHat for that reverse build-up effect. Other than that, I am not a fan of too much electronics on a kit.
I liked that too!
Maybe someday you'll evolve like the world of drums have. Personally, I love the options of having tons of other drum sounds out of one kit
I'm more of a fan of trigger pads (such as the Roland PD8 and BT1) than I am triggers on acoustic drums. The gate application is genius, but I'm not a fan of sample replacement or samples layered with acoustic sounds. I prefer getting the best possible sounds out of my drums, and if I want an electronic sound, I'd hit the e pad.
This is one of the most beautiful sounding/mixed drum i ever heard in my life... Congrats to Mike and all drumeo staff!
I can't stand this type of music but if someone like that asked me to drum on a world tour i'd be like HELL YES.
More about acoustic-drums together with eletronic-drums, please!
drumeo plz 🥼
@@xScottyallx Check out my clips, with some also produced by Drumeo -> th-cam.com/users/michaelschack
I love playing with electronic components in my setup. It allows me so much flexibility, just like Mike mentioned, it allows pop drummers to still be true to their playing and produce the layered sounds the audience knows from the album.
Keep up the awesome work Mike & Drumeo.
Gotta love how drumming has changed over the years, now we've got electronic layering on literally every single drum!
Great ideas, not at all what I was expecting! Bringing the album production into the live setup...well presented too.
Mike is a great drummer who lays down the beat with passion and conviction and great respect for the original recorded version. He plays for the song and elevates it without the need for superfluous chops drum fills that dilute the groove and sap the songs power.
I heard some gospel chops in there too!
Thanks Neil!!! ❤️
@@MIKESLEATH You're welcome Mike, we'll miss you at the store but great to see you will be back on tour soon!
love you Neal!
I love my Hybrid setup. Mapex Armory with Roland triggers/Cubase, and an Alesis DM Pro mesh with Superior Drummer 3. Waiting for a good day in the market to get the SPX... Layering sounds, loops, adding effects in conjunction with that real acoustic sound.... This is the next Phase of Percussions.. Playing an Island type beat, and being able to layer in some steel drums and various indigenous percussion instruments takes the track to another level..
Wow, what a really cool and useful video. I have owned an electronic kit in the past, but currently only have an acoustic kit. I do like the way that you used the electronics and the acoustic combined as it gave some added flavor to the sounds. Your use of electronics was very creative and I can see applications for my own playing. In the future, I look forward to applying this information to my own kit and playing.
Valuable insight! I'm going to have to look into going hybrid with incorporating electronics like this in the next while, so this is cool to see!
Been playing for a long time, but new to electronics in my kits. I’d love to try this out. Looks interesting and fun!
This is completely new to me...thanks for the insight!!
Sounds absolutely incredible!
I never knew this. Opens up a other world of playing.
This is just... crazy.. Amazing video!
I would love more instructional videos like this on mixing electronics with acoustics.
This is something I want to get more into. I have 25+ years playing drums but also a background in IT/computer repair so it's only natural I should incorporate more tech into my drumming.
This is so cool. Great inside look
Sounds fantastic!
One of the best lessons in Drumeo up to this date!!!!!!
Dude so much fun!!
I have an SPD with acoustic triggers on snare, rack, floor, and kick. One scene on the SPD will be just sound effects on the pads. The next scene is a duplicate of the first, but with triggers engaged. Usually like an 808 on the kick and a clap on the snare. It really bumps up the intensity from a verse to a chorus. I use a foot switch to go back and forth from triggers to clean acoustic. SPD is fantastic. I’ve run backing tracks and loops off of it as well. #1 sample I use is a giant low sweep (AKA “The Brown Note” 😆.)
This is SUPER interesting! Great video!
THANK YOU I didn't understand but great 👍🏻
I have 2 e pads and a td50 that I use live. Mainly for percussion sounds. I use a pad by fl Tom's for a big deep thud sound. I use these instead of bringing a gong drum. Octobons, tambourine, hand claps ect.
Amazing
Amazing drummer
This is super cool! I’ve thought about a lot of these ideas. They’re pretty simply in theory, but getting your acoustic drums and samples to really match and sound good live must take sooooo much work on your own and with your engineer. Unfortunately, not possible for my band at the moment. But maybe in the future. =)
Electronics is something new for me on an acoustic kit
I have a serious question. I've tried doing the whole Rick Allen thing with "assisting" drum triggers but I can't play the way I used to. I have osteoarthritis, and I was wondering if you guys can do a lesson about playing with disabilities? To answer your question, no I won't stop playing and I won't limit my playing. I'll play till I die. I just wanna know if there are techniques I can do that make playing a little better.
I will say, the EAD10 had helped alot and my DTX does do some work on my behalf.
Hands down to all the musicians out there.
This amazing
I LOVE this! 😭😍
What SL manages to do/control *whilst* he's playing the songs is *difficult* and *impressive* , and it's terrific/very informative that he gives us here some insight into what's going on with the drums during the performance, but I was never a fan of the "Pink Floyd-style" of performance, where the idea was to re-create the original album/songs *exactly* . --- What SL is doing here is *so* far beyond what is involved in my own performances with my Band, and I wonder if the Audience at the SM-Shows can *really* hear/appreciate SL's efforts.
A lot of comments talk about how this isn't as real as a real drum kit.
But the samples are layered with the acoustic drum's sound for that variety acoustic kits have, while also having the pure punch & consistency a lot of samples have.
And besides, in records acoustic kits are very very often EQ'd to hell and back, with lots of muffling techniques and tricks to make them fit in the song better. I fail to see how layering triggers ontop of an acoustic kit is any different.
The difference in sound from in-person to in-record of an acoustic kit is already huge, biggest culprits are the cymbals, hit one in real life, you'll be able to hear it ringing for a solid minute straight, in a song, it's gone within a few beats.
Electronics are already very present, and at the end of the day it helps make all kinds of different sounds to make different types of music. Electronic kits's existence doesn't suddenly delete all other artists using acoustics, and vice-versa ;)
In person your drums should sound bigger and better than on record. And that cymbal argument doesn’t hold water for those of us that know how to hit/play them correctly. Peace out
@@ejsinner1520
They definitely sound different in person, whether or not it is better is up for personal taste.
Even with a slight finger nudge I can hear a cymbal ring, assuming I'm not wearing ear plugs, but then, isn't that a form of EQ-ing already, muffling your hearing? These sounds will never be heard in a mix, way too quiet, never will be heard in a concert either. Where the kit is mic'd up anyway.
Maybe in a small jazz room venue? But then you're also limiting what you can do with the cymbals because hitting them too hard will make the front row go deaf...
@@trollakhinmemeborn3278 I said,”should sound bigger and better.” “Should” so many variables could affect that.
And I was referring to controlling your cymbals with your hand technique regardless of venue, or in ears, or stage monitors, or whatever. The control should always be in your hands first, technology second.
@@ejsinner1520 Yeah for sure, shouldn't have to rely on dampened microphones to make a proper soft cymbal sound.
My original comment was about how what we associate with a true acoustic kit sound, rarely is the actual sound coming from the drums. Either because they were muffled, or EQ'd in the record. Even on a concert microphones & effects are present.
Only in very small jazz venues could you hope to hear the actual drumkit's sound.
So I feel like calling kits like this, where an acoustic kit's actual sound is just layered ontop with triggers that add some otherwise impossible to get sounds, isn't a "cheating" or "fake" kit to me, it may have more electronics going than an acoustic one, but rarely are acoustic kids truly "acoustic" to begin with. If that makes sense.
Since that is a feeling that I often see in comment sections about edrums.
Besides, modern drum ekits do in fact have some sort of dynamics, although you could crank the volume down and hammer it during a shuffle, it wouldn't be good drumming, as the dynamics would be lost.
If you were to properly use it instead, you'd need to ghost your notes as much as on an acoustic kit.
Of course there's less nuance, especially with the hi-hats, which is the reason I invested into an acoustic kit, but it's still more than enough for a lot of music.
And with kits such as this one where it's both at once, I kinda see it as a best of both worlds, you could have proper acoustic sounds, mixed with impossible electronic sounds for a really rich instrumental that still gives the musician full control over his tools.
Cheers
@@trollakhinmemeborn3278 lol. I prefer acoustic kits with electronics as well. My og comment was about cymbal use. Good chat. Peace out.
What a dream kit 🥁
I don’t like pop music but this was actually interesting and informative
This is freakin amazing
"This is the most expensive instrument and you will never finish building it"
Unknown drum to a guy
Great video!
Love your videos, man!
@@irsyadrafianda thank you!
not a fan of shawn mendez, but i would definitely listen to his songs because of this guy. ❤️
Can you make a video on the Handsonic?
Great stuff, not for me but interesting to see how you’ve approached it.
For those who like very minimal drum setups for quick setup times and ease of use, adding all of these triggers, pedals, sample pads and all the cabling and setup time required seems a little off putting.
I don’t think I have the patience for it and I also don’t play in genres that require many samples/aux sounds.
Brah, they probably have a team of techs who do it all for them before they even walk in the *ARENA*. Their problems are not our problems lol
Anything that keeps a real drummer doing the gig and not a laptop has to be a good thing. Timing, swing, dynamics and feel still have to be on point. Being on stage with a guitarist with effects pedals and a pianist playing a synthesiser I don't see a problem.
I don’t use electronics but now I want to
I just started using a sampling pad but no triggers yet. I really want some triggers
I also like to use a bit of electronics on my setup
Well I really liked this vid. Defo territory I want to venture into
I’ve been trying to figure out what the clap was called 😂
I like it
Same
literally the only reason this crap exists is that most modern music is created on a computer with no drummer...then you go big and have to go on tour and have to figure out how to make it sound the same. So tired of all this artificial junk. Everything doesn't need to be "perfect". Life isn't "perfect". Why would you want to go to a show and hear the same artificial "perfectness" is beyond me.
Although i agree with your point on everything not needing to sound perfect, you have to see the massive potential this kind of equipment has to offer for live drummers. It personally allows me to tap in and experiment with sounds beyond what i could ever imagine before i tried them out. They are in my opinion super cool gadgets when used tastefully, or when you just want to play around.
What was that bit about “gates” at the beginning mean?
Hey dude! You can set a gate to a certain threshold so that the mic just turns on when the drum is hit. So like instead of having your Tom mics always on getting all the bleed from your snare and cymbals and stuff the gate just opens up and the mic only turns on when the Tom is hit!
I see you have two kick pads on your kit. Do you enjoy playing pop music or is it more of a job for you?
Excuse my very noob question but, why using acoustic snares and toms if their sound is digitized anyways? Why not using electronic drumkit for these pieces?
I don't mind the electro sounds, it's fun, I'm just curious.
Cause you still want the acoustic sounds on a live gig. It's not that you don't want to have the acoustic sounds, you just layer them so they will sound more like the original song. But still have the live feeling. It wouldn't be the same if it was just electro sound
@@jennifer.molander Ah ok! Got it! Thanks! :)
It could be useful and nice played with interesting music. But right now supporting this bland thing, I can't relate to it.
does anyone know how he's switching between the kits with pad stroke? I've googled a bit but to no avail.
It is called Kit Chain. You can assign any pad on the SPD-SX (or an external pad) to go to the next - or previous - Kit in the Chain). You will loose the sound of that pad doing this, which makes sense. Pages 56 and 57 in the manual.
I use a Roland FS5 foot switch plugged in to the TD-30 to cycle through the kit chain.
@@droopydoc55 god, that's exactly what I needed. Thanks a lot, mate!
Drumeo I am a big fan
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I play a customized Roland TD-30 kit on the praise team at church and at Credo. I couldn't see going back to straight acoustics. That being the case a Roland VAD 706 kit is on the horizon.
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I really love new gadgets, but everything in this video is so useless... Especially the 'this allows me to play two things at a time'-stuff when you don't do anything with your other hand during the part. 07:46 best part
In the beginning it sounds like he says a curse word
I will definitely use electronics if I have enough money to buy them because they make creating the sound that you want so much easier in my opinion and sometimes a song just needs a clap for an example to make the song there where it needs to be
I work in electronics and i am a drummer. I prefer my drums raw, unplugged, tribal.. i love drums because there is no electronics.
Just use an Roland sp 30 next to my kit....btw, I"m 64.....
I love all the hate I'm reading here in the comments about edrums, it makes me love my Roland VAD 506 kit even more. Oh man, it just goes to show you who's actually played on real ekits, and who's looking at the low end tier crap that's been out since the 80's. Go ahead and keep complaining while I setup for recording in under 60 seconds, at 2:00am or whenever I like. I don't have much experience on acoustic kits, but enough so that I can say with certainty that the ekit I have plays very similar, especially the snare (I have the digital snare, it's outstanding). Yep it's expensive, and most things that are out of people's financial abilities get bashed on to make those that can't afford them feel better. Having a good acoustic kit (if you can play it without getting cops called) and a good ekit for practice and home recording is ideal. The days of hotspotting and machine gunning are gone, at least on the kit I personally play. I guess what I'm getting at is please don't knock something unless you've tried it for youself, you might be real surprised. Don't get me wrong, I would LOVE to have a nice acoustic setup in my garage or a basement when the time comes that I have more space. But given my current living situation (2 small kids, a not so nice cop for a neighbor), my ekit is my saving grace for still being able to play drums of any kind. I'm very grateful for it for this very reason. Happy drumming everyone, ekit or acoustic (or both, hybrid's are really becoming a thing).
Let me see you adjust the wire tension on that snare 😉. Not hating on e-kits. I just view them as different instruments. How you have acoustic and electric guitars. They can be played in similar ways and do certain similar stuff but also different stuff. Each have strengths that the other does not,
@@UrZNL There is a wire tension "setting", but I know, it's not the same. I totally agree with you, they each have their own place. I personally wish I could have both - someday, it'll happen.
I always say don't play the instrument, play the tune. Meaning the sound off the kit is irrelevant if it doesn't serve the song. But since I don't personally care for this music it's hard to judge if it's better served with extra sample layering versus traditionally mixed acoustic sounds
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I only play acoustic but I'm tired of the acoustic snobs turning their nose up at the concept of electrifying kit. It really is just about what you do with it and what sounds you are trying to achieve. The reason I play acoustic is because it is appropriate for my sound. There are plenty of situations where my kit would be inappropriate too.
NO. 😉 I want to play like THOMAS HAAKE ❤ but thank YOU very much 😁
Title and thumbnail are misleading. Thought it was going to be,”here’s what you can do.” Not,” here’s what I do for this gig.” Oh well.
Why doesnt he just use a backing track.
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Cause I’m playing it live…
@@MIKESLEATH oh i know and ure a good drummer and best wishes for u. Its just hard for me to get used to the sound of this type of music.
Or they could just do it with live tracks. Or not have a drummer at all. Things arent so certain
Can u reupload this without the Shawn Mendes songs?
Shawn Mendes lol
I hate Electronic Music and E-Drum
Yeap me too
Yep , fake
What’s fake about it?
Sounds like Shawn Mendes doesn’t need a drummer
Yeah, a playback would do just fine for this type of music, but good for the dude.
True, but the inclusion of a live drummer is essentially like having a dancer on stage, for visual entertainment. Shawn Mendes could just use a backing track for everything and not have anyone else on stage and have no visuals/lighting and still perform, but it wouldn’t be interesting to watch.
The inclusion of a live drummer is for visual aesthetic more than anything else for this type of music.
@@adamalexanderray your answer has all the arguments to stop making music like this... It's not about music anymore, but money, and other business interests.
@ well if this music makes people happy and they enjoy it then I’m all for it.
Not that I’m interested in modern pop, but I wouldn’t want to deny others the joy of it. There’s plenty of music out there for everyone and we should all try and be as open and positive as possible to other peoples tastes.
No, electronics are not necessary
This set up is not practical for the average gigging drummer.