Anyone else notice the smartest guy is the only one who doesn't interrupt anyone? He sits quietly and respectfully...even though he doesn't get a full sentence out more than 7 times through the entire show. Respect Mr. Zappa. Respect.
This happens in all forms of so called debate especially political. It amazes me that some interviewers or politicians think they are going to gain votes or popularity by name calling , interrupting, and trying to belittle an intelligent opponent. (as is the case here), but it amazes me more that there are people who can watch this kind of bad behavior and come to the conclusion that Zappa has no idea.
John - "Why is it amusing?" Frank - "why shouldn't it be amusing?" John - "Well you're not smiling, you dont look too happy" Frank - "Why should I be smiling when I'm sitting next to you?" Hahahahaha Frank was a God
I love that part, I don't know why that is so hard for so many to understand, this country was not founded on any religion nor was it intended to ever be governed by a bunch of zealots personal beliefs. Our forefathers new what they were doing and their intentions are shit on by every modern administration.
@Austin Reihl Your errant and superficial reading of America's founding documents highlight your ignorance of US history. While some founders were Christian, several others were not, including Thomas Jefferson, a Deist, who penned the Declaration you quoted. Knowledge of Jefferson's Deism would have helped you to understand why Jefferson put "god" lower in the hierarchy of both the sentence structure and the logic of sentence's argument. "Laws of Nature" comes FIRST. Next, SECOND, is "Nature's God". Did you happen to notice the possessive structure where God is PART of Nature and NOT the other way around? If you were familiar with Deism, you would have recognized and understood this. The Declaration was also edited by Benjamin Franklin, another Deist, who scratched through the draft version that stated "We hold these truths to be sacred..." scratching out "sacred" and replacing it with "self-evident". Also note the specifically unspecific use of the phrase "their creator" instead of "the creator" - a subtle distinction that you no doubt missed, but it underscores how the founders recognized that individuals all have individual beliefs and the government should not be in the business of promoting one over another. I noticed you avoided bringing up the US Constitution - the law of the land. Clever. Your other references have zero legal consequence and no relevance to the founding documents. BTW - Frequency that Jesus, the bible, and Christianity are mentioned in the Constitution: ZERO. Do be sure to read Article VI though: "no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States." Speaking of references, it's immoral to plagiarize another persons work - copying and pasting without referencing the author or source, as you did when you copied and pasted the dreck from the right-wing "Claremont Institute" (part of what the founders warned about and Zappa was warning against). They put out their fascistic crap hoping that gullible dupes will swallow it. How did it taste? - founding.com/natures-god/ IF you want to learn about US history, READ SOME. If you want to learn about America's founding documents, READ THEM. Don't waste time on political pressure groups spinning RWNJ BS. Try this: www.archives.gov/founding-docs You're welcome.
OMG - looking back on this interview from over 30 years ago - all I can say is, the respect I had for Frank back then is now multiplied by a factor of 1000 as I realize that Frank Zappa was way ahead of his time. I don't remember the other three gentlemen - but Frank will be remembered for decades.
Hmmm so are you saying that their society is better ? Women are stoned in these places for being raped (as an example). For the record Zappa (in his own words in this interview) just admitted to being a conservative. It's fine to disagree with him but I don't think it's enough putting it out there that he is an Anarchist. You must explain why you think so. I find it hard to express the point here, that there is allot of trash in music and movies but I guess I would defend the right for the trash being made. It is up to the parents (I feel) to bring up their children with intelligence and patience. All topics discussed openly with understanding and forethought. I feel that if you bring up kids in this way they will also recognize trash entertainment from quality. Banning every questionable thing could be dangerous, it sounds like a dictatorship to me.
i have listened to the music and words of frank zappa since i was 13. he inspired me to not take the usual road, to take the strange fork over there. he was right then and he was right still, on the subject of the us government and the military industrial complex. these words have cause sensation and controversy. frank never backed down or away from his beliefs. blessings to you where ever you are, frank. all the best.
David Topchiev over a 30 year career that is millions of dollars. 300k at the time of this interview was also worth significantly more than it is now. Also, he would have continued to make more money as his career progressed from royalties, shows, investments (he owned multiple labels and recording studios, and I’m sure invested privately a fair amount), the sheer amount of records he released would mean a constant amount of money coming in from royalties alone.
I can't speak for anybody else, but for me, FZ was far and away the greatest classical composer of the latter half of the twentieth century. He could adlib beautiful musical compositions either on guitar or even just using hand signals against his band and the audience unlike anything I ever heard. He was a deep thinker, a social critic who could expose hypocricy and peel back layers of superficiality. He made his own way in the world and feared no one. "Legend" is an understatement.
I enrolled Frank Zappa immediately after his sad passing ..I loved him ..he served a purpose and a genius musician..God bless you Frank and I will see you in heaven ....pammy
Frank just OWNS them in the end. Lofton suggests young people don't need to vote, and Frank knew more than Braden about the "testifying kids" Braden brought up. Knock out. Frank, you sure are missed today.
Ben Franklin and The Hellfire Club that was classic! I lost it after that! Frank Zappa always did and still does have my respect for what he did and the influence he had on me to stay true to yourself and never back down in what you believe in. thank you for sharing the video.
This and other interviews blow my mind now...Frank is a insightful spot on brilliant person. Miss this guy...If he was here today...Omg he would enlighten the world.
drstrangelove09 was he ever not correct? Except in tobacco use. Sad as we need him more than ever. Lol mothers of the invention?? Lol Lofton douche had obviously never heard the expression about necessity being the...well we all know. You're sorely missed Frank. Would that there was a parallel universe where we could join you. Genius. Yes words. Interpreted from sick minded ears who twist art and creativity. Indeed dangerous. What went on behind Lofton and still goes on behind finger pointers closed doors that they're able to machinate such complete idiocy for lack of a better or worse word to fit these brain dead turds.
The great ones that spoke the truth are all gone, but their powerful messages still exist: Frank Zappa George Carlin Bill Hicks John Lennon Tupac Shakur Hunter S. Thompson Rest in Peace.
The guy on the far left seems to at least see where Zappa is coming from. The other two, especially that Lofton egg, were lost causes on this topic from the start.
+DoomKid I agree. Mr. Braden was at least being open-minded and, as you said, seeing were Zappa was coming from. So I think he should get some points for that. Also I feel the guy on the far right was at the very least more polite than Lofton was. And speaking of Lofton, he was being a complete and utter jackass. He also proved Zappa's point several times. Lofton outliving Zappa (by 21 fucking years, no less) is proof that fate is 9 times out 10 a big fat bitch!
Jesus, we need this guy more today than ever before. Eminently brilliant individual. We sure could use him to help us wade through all this bullshit we have to deal with now. Please Mr. Zappa, kindly look down upon us and tell us which way to turn.
Lofton: *talks mindless garbage just so Frank can't speak* Frank: *makes a decent point and is explaining himself* Lofton: you've been talking long enough I'd like to talk now
I think even during that interview he very well knows that is he right. A very strong character indeed. Also I admire his self control and his patients to go through interviews like this one.
i was a child of the eighties and remember watching this live on CNN, and I was total baffled at the left and right wings tirade against Rock and Roll, I thought for sure Lofton and Braden were going.to start a fire and burn every album and cassette of Rock genre..Too bad Frank isnt around today, he would have a haydey with the políticos of today.
The violation of government intruding on personal lives is the same principle as interfering with the economy. It is a violation of the 5th amendment and nowhere in the constitution states that government has the authority to interfere or regulate commerce.Nor does it grant authority to violate or seize private property. A business and property rights are the same as if you were to own a house. Should the government then regulate what you should operate or do in your house? No? Well then why should it do that with any other property?
@@GabrielNicho in the 50s and 60s government regulation were perfect, the rich paid their taxes and the country as a whole was better for it, Reagan destroyed all that, and the country has states with an economy that mirrors the third world.
@@lobsterwhisperer7932 The only reason you have states with third world economies is because those states borrowed like crazy and then wasted the money, and raised taxes like crazy so that business left or didn't want to establish itself there. That's government. And no-one paid those high taxes in the 50-60s.
Best part was when that guy used the phrase you out to get out more in a stupid way and frank said it when correcting him about the band name it was perfect
"I think if you use these so-called strong words, you get your point across faster and you can save a lot of beating around the bush. Why are people afraid of words?" Important words right here.
"We're talking about WORDS." Looking at the state of censorship on TH-cam, Twitter, even PAYPAL, and censorship laws being passed in Canada, Frank was right. And he points out that he's a conservative. "Do you think that you're protecting somebody by taking away words?" Thank you, Frank. This dogfight never gets old, and only becomes more relevant with the passage of time.
"The biggest threat to America today is not Communism, it is moving America toward a Fascist Theocracy." -Frank Zappa "What Are Conservatives Conserving?" -Carl Sagan
Zappa once said he was a practical conservative : for social security as long as the person pays for it, against taxation but surely not for the violation of the 1 rst amendment.
Frank represents American ideals; what this country and freedom are all about! Right On Frank! John Lofton seems to represent what oppressive requiems like the Soviet Union and China are all about. Scary to think that this guy was a journalist for the Washington Times. He probably wrote articles that supported the ideals of oppressive and suppressive governments! Lofton is not American in any way, he's a Commie! How could anyone in 2014 agree with Lofton who is so far off base! God Bless Frank Zappa who stood up for out rights! God I wish Frank were still with us. What an amazing man who represents himself really well!
Zappa always was ahead of his time … he warned us for this in his songs : Tax the curches and be aware of the military Industrial complex … is what he said.
Zappa has old school conservative mentality and you can't argue with that. The power of the government is supposed to be limited. Small government is the way it SHOULD be. If we allow the government to get bigger and bigger, then life as we know it will end up like the George Orwell novel, 1984.
Short, angry fella: "There are songs that advocate incest" Zappa: "Tell me them, I haven't heard any" SAF: "Well you have to get out more, I don't think you're being candid with this" [Five seconds later] SAF: "Your group was called The Mothers of *the* Invention.." Zappa: "The Mothers *of* Invention.. you oughta get out more" Lofton didn't have a chance, this interview is a gold mine for witty comebacks.
The look on Zappa’s face throughout this shows that he knows he won’t win against these people but also shows he can’t believe that they don’t have common sense.
I kinda got goosebumps when Frank Zappa started shooting down the whole Freedom Village thing. He completely killed it. What a man, shows to all narrow minded freaks that musicians can be more than just your stereotypic junkie anarchist.
Tom really didn't seem sold on the "You make a law, it has words, and you apply it" after John couldn't answer exactly who would become the government censor lol. But that moral code comment was beautiful from Zappa.
It's a shame Frank died before he got to be on the Simpsons. I would have loved to see him debate Marge Simpson & Ned Flanders on Cartoon violence with help from Krusty the Clown or something to that effect.
I think Frank Zappa and Joe Stewart have the first and second best ever appearances on Crossfire because they do the right thing and shut the whole thing down.
That guy from the Washington Times may be the most annoying, screeching human I've ever encountered. I have no idea what kept Zappa from slapping the shit out of him.
I actually had to pause the video several times because of that douche. I'll never comprehend how Zappa handled it with such class. 7min into the video I couldn't stand looking at that chubby fuck any longer
I love it. I rolled on the floor when he said we are going towards a fascist theocracy. Nearly 30 years later, you can kind of scrub theocracy, but we are now much closer to a fascism.
Fascism is North Korean Communists holding machine guns on my wife and her family and stealing all their food for themselves during the Korean War. Fascism like all other forms of socialism is about stealing other people's property instead of negotiating a mutually accepted exchange of goods and services. Censorship and gun control tend go along with it because that makes it easier to murder the unarmed crime victims you're stealing from and cover it up.
Wait until Trump is impeached and Mike Pence is coronated--Sorry, I meant to say "sworn in." At least Trump is just making it up as he goes along. Pence actually believes in that bigoted Bible Belt crap. And what's more, establishment Republicans like him a lot better than Trump.
This country is so far from becoming Marxist that I couldn't help but snort derisively at your comment. Do you also believe we just lived through "8 years of socialism" under the Wall St.-pandering, warmongering Barack Obama? We've had ONE President in the last 50 years as the exception to the above rule and his name was Jimmy Carter. We are not a Marxist nation and that is a damn shame because I'd rather live in a country where there actually were equal opportunities for all as opposed to rich white men exclusively. What the hell are you even doing on a Frank Zappa video in the first place? Zappa wrote music for people who think for themselves.
*heavy sigh* Once again someone who CANNOT distinguish between actual socialism and national socialism, a fascist/corporatist ideology. At any rate, we are not moving towards a Marxist state. You seriously think Trump is a Marxist? What Trump has done so far is far from helping out the working class. I'm done wasting my time with these irrational comments.
That was an unfortunate typo. What I meant to say is that Carter is the only President who wasn't a warmongering, genocidal maniac. I'm going to go back and fix my comment. And hey, he's one of the few Presidents who's actually turned out to be a decent human being, so there's that. Anyway, at least I have the decency to admit my mistake. You're the one still calling Trump a Marxist based on no evidence whatsoever. Hell, even most Trump supporters would laugh at your for saying that. By the way, I never said you CAN'T watch Zappa videos. I just don't think you're learning much from them...or learning much generally. So no, you can't think for yourself and I'm no longer arguing with you. Life's too short.
If you're a father or mother, you have the right to let whatever your kids listen to, since they are responsible. Once they are of legal age, it's not your business. This is about being adults, no need to go as far as involve government.
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Ironically, we had FAR MORE RIGHTS then, than we do now.
So true. However, we were losing them even then......it's a shame.
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MICHAEL SOWELL Yes sir. Thanks for the comment. I vacillate between extreme optimism and extreme pessimism... not sure about you... But with the awakening that's happening these days, maybe it'll be possible that enough of us will be able to see how we are intentionally divided along lines of politics (dem vs rep), religion ( belief vs non, or even sect vs sect), race (black vs white, etc), even gender (male vs female) and that we can have enough people willing to forget all those things and fight for what we all have in common. The things we all have in common are far too numerous to list- and the things that we fight about are very few. But we as a species tend to be motivated by the things we are extremely emotional about- and they tend to be negative. I think more and more, people are beginning to see through this ancient tactic of divide and conquer. We don't need everyone- that's a pipe dream. All we need is a dedicated core of people willing to stand side by side with people who we THOUGHT (but are not) were our enemies and be willing to fight back to back for our rights. (I'm having a rather optimistic day, it seems... ;)))))
2eelShmeal To me it's not about fighting for anything. Just because someone wrote on a piece of paper that you can't say this and that or you can't do this and that doesn't mean you can't say it, doesn't mean you can't do it if you feel it's the right thing to say or do. You are free if you believe you are. It's all a magnificent mindfuck of epic proportions. It's not about fighting the oppressors, it's about realizing that all the power they have over you is the power you are willing to give them. You don't need them to sign a piece of paper telling you what you can or can't do. You can decide for yourself. I know that sounds easier than it seems. We have all been brainwashed since childhood to believe in such things as authority, guilt and shame. But they are merely concepts that we have subconsciously accepted to be true because they have been spoon fed to us all our lives. BUT THEY ARE NOT EMPIRICALLY TRUE. We just believe they are because we've all been programmed to do so.
DennisBastian People in authority are able to force us to pay a steep price for ignoring their wishes. That's the problem. Not everyone is willing to go to jail for the right to say something nice about Al Qaeda or what have you.
2eelShmeal Yes. You would think that in this day and age we would be beyond all those stupid things that divide us. But all those things still keep us busy to argue over. Abortion will never get resolved. Pro life/ Pro choice. Either way you are described as having no morals. Any debate that reaches no conclusions, especially a touchy and delicate issue as abortion will keep us arguing forever. I am not trying to bring down your optimism at all. Your point hit the nail right on the head. Talk shows would never have people like Zappa on there anymore. Anyone who speaks like he did are not welcome. It encourages to think. John Lofton doesn't encourage you to think. It's a childish way of trying to fluster people into saying "Fuck it! I can't deal with this guy!" Thats why Bill O'Reilly has his own show.
Anyone else notice the smartest guy is the only one who doesn't interrupt anyone? He sits quietly and respectfully...even though he doesn't get a full sentence out more than 7 times through the entire show. Respect Mr. Zappa. Respect.
This happens in all forms of so called debate especially political. It amazes me that some interviewers or politicians think they are going to gain votes or popularity by name calling , interrupting, and trying to belittle an intelligent opponent. (as is the case here), but it amazes me more that there are people who can watch this kind of bad behavior and come to the conclusion that Zappa has no idea.
John - "Why is it amusing?"
Frank - "why shouldn't it be amusing?"
John - "Well you're not smiling, you dont look too happy"
Frank - "Why should I be smiling when I'm sitting next to you?"
Hahahahaha Frank was a God
brilliant...
"You ought to get out more" Fucking love how Frank roasted the guy twice with his own punchline.
Frank was so much smarter than that guy, it was painful to watch.
yeah.
"Morality in terms of behavior, not theology." -Beautifully said
He fucking pwned this dudes entire argument with that one sentence. You could see in his face that he knew it too. So priceless.
I love that part, I don't know why that is so hard for so many to understand, this country was not founded on any religion nor was it intended to ever be governed by a bunch of zealots personal beliefs. Our forefathers new what they were doing and their intentions are shit on by every modern administration.
@Austin Reihl Your errant and superficial reading of America's founding documents highlight your ignorance of US history. While some founders were Christian, several others were not, including Thomas Jefferson, a Deist, who penned the Declaration you quoted. Knowledge of Jefferson's Deism would have helped you to understand why Jefferson put "god" lower in the hierarchy of both the sentence structure and the logic of sentence's argument. "Laws of Nature" comes FIRST. Next, SECOND, is "Nature's God". Did you happen to notice the possessive structure where God is PART of Nature and NOT the other way around? If you were familiar with Deism, you would have recognized and understood this. The Declaration was also edited by Benjamin Franklin, another Deist, who scratched through the draft version that stated "We hold these truths to be sacred..." scratching out "sacred" and replacing it with "self-evident".
Also note the specifically unspecific use of the phrase "their creator" instead of "the creator" - a subtle distinction that you no doubt missed, but it underscores how the founders recognized that individuals all have individual beliefs and the government should not be in the business of promoting one over another.
I noticed you avoided bringing up the US Constitution - the law of the land. Clever. Your other references have zero legal consequence and no relevance to the founding documents. BTW - Frequency that Jesus, the bible, and Christianity are mentioned in the Constitution: ZERO. Do be sure to read Article VI though: "no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."
Speaking of references, it's immoral to plagiarize another persons work - copying and pasting without referencing the author or source, as you did when you copied and pasted the dreck from the right-wing "Claremont Institute" (part of what the founders warned about and Zappa was warning against). They put out their fascistic crap hoping that gullible dupes will swallow it. How did it taste? - founding.com/natures-god/
IF you want to learn about US history, READ SOME. If you want to learn about America's founding documents, READ THEM. Don't waste time on political pressure groups spinning RWNJ BS.
Try this: www.archives.gov/founding-docs
You're welcome.
@@cogitarisafari1847 - Word!!!
EPIC!!!!!!
OMG - looking back on this interview from over 30 years ago - all I can say is, the respect I had for Frank back then is now multiplied by a factor of 1000 as I realize that Frank Zappa was way ahead of his time.
I don't remember the other three gentlemen - but Frank will be remembered for decades.
Hmmm so are you saying that their society is better ? Women are stoned in these places for being raped (as an example). For the record Zappa (in his own words in this interview) just admitted to being a conservative. It's fine to disagree with him but I don't think it's enough putting it out there that he is an Anarchist. You must explain why you think so. I find it hard to express the point here, that there is allot of trash in music and movies but I guess I would defend the right for the trash being made. It is up to the parents (I feel) to bring up their children with intelligence and patience. All topics discussed openly with understanding and forethought. I feel that if you bring up kids in this way they will also recognize trash entertainment from quality. Banning every questionable thing could be dangerous, it sounds like a dictatorship to me.
John Lofton:"You once wrote a song called We're all in it for the money.
Frank Zappa: "Its not a song, it's an album".
LOLLLLLLLLLLLLL
the punchline is...."you gotta get out more"
On a side note, thats a great album
On another side note, the album is called 'We're only in it for the money'.
And don't forget, the title was totally sarcastically meant
"How much money do you make peddling this stuff?" "Millions of dollars, millions of dollars."
thirty years later, lofton is a nobody and zappa remains a legend
John Who?
Lofton? That a placebo medicine?
Can't believe they're calling his art 'garbage' and 'filth' to his face... he keeps his composure well and speaks his mind. Well done Frank
The greatest 21 minutes in television history.
+godlike51 Right on, Dude!!!
American yell fest ....
Nah, the Geraldo White Supremacist broken nose incident thingy was the greatest. 👍😎
I would be interested to have heard his views on the horrible N word.
The only sane man in the room was Frank Zappa. I've never seen anything this funny before.
Its wonderful seeing his personality. Great composer, great mind.
"There are certain words used to describe an act of fornication which are...brutal."
"So?"
I think I love this man.
i have listened to the music and words of frank zappa since i was 13.
he inspired me to not take the usual road, to take the strange fork over there.
he was right then and he was right still, on the subject of the us government and the military industrial complex.
these words have cause sensation and controversy.
frank never backed down or away from his beliefs.
blessings to you where ever you are, frank. all the best.
"Millions of Dollars, mr. Lofton"
Amazing comeback!
Zappa made fucks like Lofton look really daft. Zappa was without a doubt on his game here and the other guys were totally unprepared.
David Topchiev over a 30 year career that is millions of dollars. 300k at the time of this interview was also worth significantly more than it is now. Also, he would have continued to make more money as his career progressed from royalties, shows, investments (he owned multiple labels and recording studios, and I’m sure invested privately a fair amount), the sheer amount of records he released would mean a constant amount of money coming in from royalties alone.
I can't speak for anybody else, but for me, FZ was far and away the greatest classical composer of the latter half of the twentieth century. He could adlib beautiful musical compositions either on guitar or even just using hand signals against his band and the audience unlike anything I ever heard. He was a deep thinker, a social critic who could expose hypocricy and peel back layers of superficiality. He made his own way in the world and feared no one. "Legend" is an understatement.
If I were John Lofton, I'd be embarrassed to know this video is out there.
He's dead. All of those men are now dead.
It's on his wiki too as what he's best remembered for.
I wish Frank was still with us. He was a unique guy. Brilliant musician and a great wit!
Censorship is like a cancer. Once it starts to grow then extreme measures must be taken to stop it.
I love how Zappa stays so calm while the other guys are getting so angry
This still tracks 😅 Frank Zappa’s prophetic words are chilling now.
Frank was way ahead of his time, and a genius to boot
Frank should have told Lofton he's against suicide, Lofton would kill himself on the show right there for the sake of being in disagreement with him.
Theodore M. K. Lol
Frank Zappa "why should I smile, I'm sitting here with you" lmfao
I enrolled Frank Zappa immediately after his sad passing ..I loved him ..he served a purpose and a genius musician..God bless you Frank and I will see you in heaven ....pammy
Frank just OWNS them in the end. Lofton suggests young people don't need to vote, and Frank knew more than Braden about the "testifying kids" Braden brought up. Knock out. Frank, you sure are missed today.
Ben Franklin and The Hellfire Club that was classic!
I lost it after that! Frank Zappa always did and still does have my respect for what he did and the influence he had on me to stay true to yourself and never back down in what you believe in.
thank you for sharing the video.
"Millions of dollars, Mr. Lofton" zappa is a SAVAGE
This and other interviews blow my mind now...Frank is a insightful spot on brilliant person. Miss this guy...If he was here today...Omg he would enlighten the world.
Every time I watch this it makes me miss him so much and wish he was still here.
I was very saddened to read that John Lofton died in 2014.
Saddened because that vile little shit managed to outlive Zappa by 20 years.
Hahahaha
Zappa had a wayyy better time here than John-boy though ;)
Zappa was correct on this.
drstrangelove09 was he ever not correct? Except in tobacco use. Sad as we need him more than ever. Lol mothers of the invention?? Lol Lofton douche had obviously never heard the expression about necessity being the...well we all know.
You're sorely missed Frank. Would that there was a parallel universe where we could join you. Genius.
Yes words. Interpreted from sick minded ears who twist art and creativity. Indeed dangerous. What went on behind Lofton and still goes on behind finger pointers closed doors that they're able to machinate such complete
idiocy for lack of a better or worse word to fit these brain dead turds.
The great ones that spoke the truth are all gone, but their powerful messages still exist:
Frank Zappa
George Carlin
Bill Hicks
John Lennon
Tupac Shakur
Hunter S. Thompson
Rest in Peace.
HL Mencken too should be added to that list. Zappa was almost a modern Mencken in his way
You left out Lenny Bruce, who started it all.
@Howard Luken One of them.
You left out Kurt Vonnegut, George Orwell, Margret Atwood, and Dee Snider.
Don’t forget Malcom X
18:05 He corrected the crossfire moderator here. Zappa was unbelievably sharp.
We didn’t deserve Zappa. A genius way ahead of his time that is still under appreciated. Vote Zappa2020
This whole interview Frank looks and sounds absolutely done with them RIP to a legend
Frank Zappa: The most savage guy I've seen throughout history.
Freedom of speech. Frank Zappa stood up for Freedom of speech. He stood up for the Constitution.
he who invokes Hitler's name first loses the argument. in this case it was a double down on the loss.
Anyone out there who liked this, I recommend checking out other Zappa interviews, they generally sit somewhere between insightful and hilarious
So this Lofton guy died a couple months ago, good riddance. It's a damn shame that he outlived Zappa, a real damn shame.
Yeah, can't believe he actually fell so low as to use the holocaust as a cheap argument. Just proved he didn't have a leg to stand on.
Apparently it was due to a heart condition.The obvious dieting took effect I guess.
layton marr Your sarcasm is as effective as Lofton's rants.
I'm gonna shit on his grave
@@televisedpork7993 Ill DM you the address, and meet you there, I bet you havent got the balls....
"Millions of dollars. Millions of dollars Mr.Lofton"
The guy on the far left seems to at least see where Zappa is coming from. The other two, especially that Lofton egg, were lost causes on this topic from the start.
DoomKid Wondered when I would find you here.
+DoomKid I agree. Mr. Braden was at least being open-minded and, as you said, seeing were Zappa was coming from. So I think he should get some points for that. Also I feel the guy on the far right was at the very least more polite than Lofton was. And speaking of Lofton, he was being a complete and utter jackass. He also proved Zappa's point several times. Lofton outliving Zappa (by 21 fucking years, no less) is proof that fate is 9 times out 10 a big fat bitch!
“That’s not a song. It’s the name of an album.” Legendary.
Zappa is an absolute legend!
Zappa was a Prophet, and we lost him too soon.
I bet he never saw that the left will be the one attempting to control freedom of speech today, that used to be the right.
LOL he's so calm and collected. love him
Jesus, we need this guy more today than ever before. Eminently brilliant individual. We sure could use him to help us wade through all this bullshit we have to deal with now. Please Mr. Zappa, kindly look down upon us and tell us which way to turn.
"Zappa ripped my Flesh", by Weasel Lofton.
Mah nahyme iz Loftoooon, ah ahm a raidnaaack...
FZ: "Why should I smile when I'm sitting here with you?"
The faces that Zappa makes in response to these guys is hilarious. Some of my favorites:
8:30
19:11
Lofton: *talks mindless garbage just so Frank can't speak*
Frank: *makes a decent point and is explaining himself*
Lofton: you've been talking long enough I'd like to talk now
My god Zappa bless you . May your words ring out more than ever . So true .
I think even during that interview he very well knows that is he right. A very strong character indeed. Also I admire his self control and his patients to go through interviews like this one.
"Why should I smile when I'm sitting here with you?" - Frank
Best line ever.
Frank really held his own didn't he! I really miss this man and his music
I'm just amazed of Zappa's Music. And his intelligence of the music business, and his knowledge of politics, I think he was way ahead of his time.
i was a child of the eighties and remember watching this live on CNN, and I was total baffled at the left and right wings tirade against Rock and Roll, I thought for sure Lofton and Braden were going.to start a fire and burn every album and cassette of Rock genre..Too bad Frank isnt around today, he would have a haydey with the políticos of today.
"Why should I smile, I'm here looking at you!" Touché Zappa.
I certainly ain't no libertarian, but I full agree with Frank here. Government should be involved in the economy, but NOT in our personal lives
Government shouldn't be involved in the economy though =P, only caused problems
@@GabrielNicho The Federal Reserve needs to be abolished, along with most of the government.
The violation of government intruding on personal lives is the same principle as interfering with the economy. It is a violation of the 5th amendment and nowhere in the constitution states that government has the authority to interfere or regulate commerce.Nor does it grant authority to violate or seize private property. A business and property rights are the same as if you were to own a house. Should the government then regulate what you should operate or do in your house? No? Well then why should it do that with any other property?
@@GabrielNicho in the 50s and 60s government regulation were perfect, the rich paid their taxes and the country as a whole was better for it, Reagan destroyed all that, and the country has states with an economy that mirrors the third world.
@@lobsterwhisperer7932 The only reason you have states with third world economies is because those states borrowed like crazy and then wasted the money, and raised taxes like crazy so that business left or didn't want to establish itself there. That's government. And no-one paid those high taxes in the 50-60s.
Zappa was, is, and always will be one of the world's most influential visionaries and an advocate for FREEDOM.
Frank's nod at the beginning was hilarious. Clearly he's making fun of these idiots.
Best part was when that guy used the phrase you out to get out more in a stupid way and frank said it when correcting him about the band name it was perfect
"I think if you use these so-called strong words, you get your point across faster and you can save a lot of beating around the bush. Why are people afraid of words?"
Important words right here.
"We're talking about WORDS." Looking at the state of censorship on TH-cam, Twitter, even PAYPAL, and censorship laws being passed in Canada, Frank was right. And he points out that he's a conservative. "Do you think that you're protecting somebody by taking away words?" Thank you, Frank. This dogfight never gets old, and only becomes more relevant with the passage of time.
"The biggest threat to America today is not Communism, it is moving America toward a Fascist Theocracy."
-Frank Zappa
"What Are Conservatives Conserving?"
-Carl Sagan
Cherry picking? Where's the one sentence about Zappa being a Conservative?
Zappa once said he was a practical conservative : for social security as long as the person pays for it, against taxation but surely not for the violation of the 1 rst amendment.
saracrislimalourenco he said he was a conservative at the start of the video , I’d say he is a libertarian, the 80 Republicans were not conservative
"The biggest threat to America today is not Communism, it is moving America toward a Fascist Theocracy."
I'm impressed at his prescience.
Frank represents American ideals; what this country and freedom are all about! Right On Frank! John Lofton seems to represent what oppressive requiems like the Soviet Union and China are all about. Scary to think that this guy was a journalist for the Washington Times. He probably wrote articles that supported the ideals of oppressive and suppressive governments! Lofton is not American in any way, he's a Commie! How could anyone in 2014 agree with Lofton who is so far off base! God Bless Frank Zappa who stood up for out rights! God I wish Frank were still with us. What an amazing man who represents himself really well!
Zappa always was ahead of his time … he warned us for this in his songs :
Tax the curches and be aware of the military Industrial complex … is what he said.
I'd definitely be suicidal without Rock music! Cheers Mr. Zappa, Rock 'n' Roll saved my life....
Frank Zappa in 1986, and everything he said in this interview is absolutely right.
Frank knew what was coming 30 yrs ago. A lot of it came to pass.
Zappa has old school conservative mentality and you can't argue with that. The power of the government is supposed to be limited. Small government is the way it SHOULD be. If we allow the government to get bigger and bigger, then life as we know it will end up like the George Orwell novel, 1984.
This just proves that Frank Zappa was the most intelligent rocker of any generation. A true American and factual genius.
10:50 - Damn straight, Frank. You were right then, and it's true now.
Short, angry fella: "There are songs that advocate incest"
Zappa: "Tell me them, I haven't heard any"
SAF: "Well you have to get out more, I don't think you're being candid with this"
[Five seconds later]
SAF: "Your group was called The Mothers of *the* Invention.."
Zappa: "The Mothers *of* Invention.. you oughta get out more"
Lofton didn't have a chance, this interview is a gold mine for witty comebacks.
Frank Zappa, a motherfucking legend! an emulation every dude should aspire to become and exceed.
"Do you think that you are protecting somebody by taking away seven words?"
This had me laughing my ass off, I love Frank Zappa !
Zappa was so great and intelligent
at 10 mins Frank tells us of the times we live in now.
Prince's lyrics saved my soul, explicitly lol :D
LOL at 02:00 when Frank turns his head back and forth multiple times to point out the silly nature of their yelling over one another
This reminds me of why I like Frank Zappa.
The look on Zappa’s face throughout this shows that he knows he won’t win against these people but also shows he can’t believe that they don’t have common sense.
I kinda got goosebumps when Frank Zappa started shooting down the whole Freedom Village thing. He completely killed it. What a man, shows to all narrow minded freaks that musicians can be more than just your stereotypic junkie anarchist.
millions of dollars..... millions of dollars..... I LOVE HIM!!! R.I.P. Frank
Zappa is a genius
Tom really didn't seem sold on the "You make a law, it has words, and you apply it" after John couldn't answer exactly who would become the government censor lol. But that moral code comment was beautiful from Zappa.
It's a shame Frank died before he got to be on the Simpsons. I would have loved to see him debate Marge Simpson & Ned Flanders on Cartoon violence with help from Krusty the Clown or something to that effect.
I think Frank Zappa and Joe Stewart have the first and second best ever appearances on Crossfire because they do the right thing and shut the whole thing down.
That guy from the Washington Times may be the most annoying, screeching human I've ever encountered. I have no idea what kept Zappa from slapping the shit out of him.
Pointing his finger....not cool.
I actually had to pause the video several times because of that douche. I'll never comprehend how Zappa handled it with such class. 7min into the video I couldn't stand looking at that chubby fuck any longer
Welcome to the 1980s, where Reagan could do no wrong and America was Great, according to delusional turds.
Frank was slapping the shit out of him...with words😜
They're not discussing copyright. They're discussing censorship.
How many of you remember John Lofton ?
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How many of you remember Frank Zappa ?
"Why should I smile, I'm sitting here with you." at 15:15
LOL
frank zappa was ahead of his time
I love it. I rolled on the floor when he said we are going towards a fascist theocracy. Nearly 30 years later, you can kind of scrub theocracy, but we are now much closer to a fascism.
Fascism is North Korean Communists holding machine guns on my wife and her family and stealing all their food for themselves during the Korean War. Fascism like all other forms of socialism is about stealing other people's property instead of negotiating a mutually accepted exchange of goods and services. Censorship and gun control tend go along with it because that makes it easier to murder the unarmed crime victims you're stealing from and cover it up.
Frank Zappa and Jon Stewart are the two best guests Crossfire ever had. Jon was instrumental in the cancelling of this ridiculous show.
Zappa showed up on at least two episodes. th-cam.com/video/iEqmvIK_kXs/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=FrankZappaInterviewCollection
This video is hilarious! Love ya Frank, you’re missed by many
It's very uncanny how Frank's prophetic notion that America was turning into a "fascist theocracy" is highly accurate right now.
Wait until Trump is impeached and Mike Pence is coronated--Sorry, I meant to say "sworn in." At least Trump is just making it up as he goes along. Pence actually believes in that bigoted Bible Belt crap. And what's more, establishment Republicans like him a lot better than Trump.
Infact it is being saved from turning into a "fascist theocracy" right now, though the so called "anti"-fascists are trying to stop it.
This country is so far from becoming Marxist that I couldn't help but snort derisively at your comment. Do you also believe we just lived through "8 years of socialism" under the Wall St.-pandering, warmongering Barack Obama? We've had ONE President in the last 50 years as the exception to the above rule and his name was Jimmy Carter. We are not a Marxist nation and that is a damn shame because I'd rather live in a country where there actually were equal opportunities for all as opposed to rich white men exclusively. What the hell are you even doing on a Frank Zappa video in the first place? Zappa wrote music for people who think for themselves.
*heavy sigh* Once again someone who CANNOT distinguish between actual socialism and national socialism, a fascist/corporatist ideology. At any rate, we are not moving towards a Marxist state. You seriously think Trump is a Marxist? What Trump has done so far is far from helping out the working class. I'm done wasting my time with these irrational comments.
That was an unfortunate typo. What I meant to say is that Carter is the only President who wasn't a warmongering, genocidal maniac. I'm going to go back and fix my comment. And hey, he's one of the few Presidents who's actually turned out to be a decent human being, so there's that. Anyway, at least I have the decency to admit my mistake. You're the one still calling Trump a Marxist based on no evidence whatsoever. Hell, even most Trump supporters would laugh at your for saying that. By the way, I never said you CAN'T watch Zappa videos. I just don't think you're learning much from them...or learning much generally. So no, you can't think for yourself and I'm no longer arguing with you. Life's too short.
'The founding fathers owned slaves' Zappa spoke the truth!
Yeah.
If you're a father or mother, you have the right to let whatever your kids listen to, since they are responsible. Once they are of legal age, it's not your business. This is about being adults, no need to go as far as involve government.
Ironically, we had FAR MORE RIGHTS then, than we do now.
So true. However, we were losing them even then......it's a shame.
MICHAEL SOWELL Yes sir. Thanks for the comment.
I vacillate between extreme optimism and extreme pessimism... not sure about you...
But with the awakening that's happening these days, maybe it'll be possible that enough of us will be able to see how we are intentionally divided along lines of politics (dem vs rep), religion ( belief vs non, or even sect vs sect), race (black vs white, etc), even gender (male vs female) and that we can have enough people willing to forget all those things and fight for what we all have in common.
The things we all have in common are far too numerous to list- and the things that we fight about are very few.
But we as a species tend to be motivated by the things we are extremely emotional about- and they tend to be negative.
I think more and more, people are beginning to see through this ancient tactic of divide and conquer.
We don't need everyone- that's a pipe dream. All we need is a dedicated core of people willing to stand side by side with people who we THOUGHT (but are not) were our enemies and be willing to fight back to back for our rights.
(I'm having a rather optimistic day, it seems... ;)))))
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To me it's not about fighting for anything. Just because someone wrote on a piece of paper that you can't say this and that or you can't do this and that doesn't mean you can't say it, doesn't mean you can't do it if you feel it's the right thing to say or do.
You are free if you believe you are. It's all a magnificent mindfuck of epic proportions. It's not about fighting the oppressors, it's about realizing that all the power they have over you is the power you are willing to give them. You don't need them to sign a piece of paper telling you what you can or can't do. You can decide for yourself.
I know that sounds easier than it seems. We have all been brainwashed since childhood to believe in such things as authority, guilt and shame. But they are merely concepts that we have subconsciously accepted to be true because they have been spoon fed to us all our lives. BUT THEY ARE NOT EMPIRICALLY TRUE. We just believe they are because we've all been programmed to do so.
DennisBastian People in authority are able to force us to pay a steep price for ignoring their wishes. That's the problem. Not everyone is willing to go to jail for the right to say something nice about Al Qaeda or what have you.
2eelShmeal Yes. You would think that in this day and age we would be beyond all those stupid things that divide us. But all those things still keep us busy to argue over. Abortion will never get resolved. Pro life/ Pro choice. Either way you are described as having no morals. Any debate that reaches no conclusions, especially a touchy and delicate issue as abortion will keep us arguing forever. I am not trying to bring down your optimism at all. Your point hit the nail right on the head. Talk shows would never have people like Zappa on there anymore. Anyone who speaks like he did are not welcome. It encourages to think. John Lofton doesn't encourage you to think. It's a childish way of trying to fluster people into saying "Fuck it! I can't deal with this guy!" Thats why Bill O'Reilly has his own show.