nothing they do is going to fix the issues that we have with m+ being that tanks are a pain in the ass t oplay why would we care if our specs get buffed or nerfed if 90% of the time we can't even play them
Tanks and healers will always be way harder to play than a dps but as a holy pal I agree that it’s way worse in season 1. Requires WAY too much multi tasking and studying to know the ins and outs of our class and the dungeons, while hoping that the rest of the group does their job, which is a hard ask.
@@Huntamin77 Tanking is mostly fine, but yes Healers have it most rough at the moment. The role has way too much reliance on everyone else doing their job. But maybe thats a problem with too many casters
7:04 important to note here that "The Hunt" was *NOT* buffed by 10%, specifically the initial single target hit of The Hunt was buffed by 10%. Looking at that log specifically, while The Hunt as a whole did 2.82% of that DH's damage, the single target portion was 1%. So a 10% buff to the single target hit of The Hunt with no other buffs would have been a 0.1% increase on this log.
Not a single word about shadow priest, all shadow priest relegated to be f tier being exceptional meanwhile+11 and above placed with mediocre paladins and shamans
As with most specs tbh, a dev evoker with near-perfect stats and bis trinkets will do amazing damage. Pyre isn't used as often as it once was, but it also doesn't hit hard so pyre (even when buffed by charged blast and essence burst) kinda feels underwhelming while mass disintegrate is crazy strong. You also have filler periods in AOE where you just send unbuffed pyres for cooldown reduction on empowered spells. These buffs are gonna be pretty big for dev tbh, but they always buff dev to the heavens at the end of a season for some strange reason. Just do it at the start, they gave it loads of random huge nerfs toward the end of beta for no reason at all
How the current balance state of healers and tanks in high keys is not the number one topic of every meeting in that company right now is beyond me. As a rdruid that climbed to 3k rating in the first few weeks of the season by pushing my own keys then giving up because pushing my own keys for an entire season is not my idea of fun (since other players bricking a key only punishes the key owner) and doing 3-4x the amount of dungeons for the same amount of rating vs the meta healer who just queues into other people’s keys, I keep checking the wow news for any kind of reason to come back, but I guess they really are “that” fine with current status quo. Seeing absolutely nothing for rdruid or addressing the terrible game design that is bricking keys of key owners when non meta players have no choice but to run their own keys is absolutely heart breaking. Like, “I want to play the game. But you don’t want me to play the game for some reason”
Dude read your first sentence again. What the fuck are you talking about? Its a business! they could care less what the top 2% think about the state of high m+. Delusional. Play a Meta spec if you are stuck or dont and play something else but dont fucking complain they dont give a fuck.
The way you looked at the Hunter changes was so simple-minded without any sort of thought at how the talents interact with Dark Ranger. Razor Fragments increases Kill Shots dmg by 75% and does 25% of its dmg in AOE. It will do 35%, but the very next line is dmg increase to Black Arrow. Kill Shot gets replaced by Black Arrow so the buff from Razor Fragments adds to the 15% Black Arrow buff. Even if this wasnt the case Dark Ranger prefers the left side of the tree (because of the previous interaction I mentioned) whilst Sentinel prefers the right side for M+. There's a chance Dark Ranger becomes the preferred M+ spec due to a smoother dmg profile and better ST/AOE balance.
@patd4938 He took longer to say whatever "summary" you are talking about than he would to explain what I said. It should be noted that its not a summary. He went about explaining razor fragments and showing the hunter tree. Not only that, he took conclusions out of the buffs therefore it isnt even a summary. Also why wouldnt I explain something to other people who might stumble upon the comment? Its fine if he doesnt know much about Hunter, I can still discuss it myself
Agreed. Played feral this morning and love the spec, do crazy damage, but would love for it to be a meta pick for once. Would be an awesome shakeup and funny seeing people reroll to it instead of away from it.
marksman is actually in a much worse state than it looks. even a fight like broodtwister where they should excel historically, they're at the bottom. and they're probably going to stay at the bottom or go lower just due to how they scale with secondary stats, especially haste which doesnt directly reduce the cooldown of aimed shot and rapid fire like it would with other classes. what needs to be done right now is an increase to aimedshot and rapidfire damage as their aoe scales with that but blizzard is afraid to buff their single target for some reason, despite marksman being in the bottom half for even single target fights.
Wtf is this for lol. I main DH and mm hunter and i was more happy before seeing this changes, after not being touched for so long and this what we get :D . Just let them be the way they are and fix them next season lol. Vdh struggle with their current tier and soul generation, mm struggles with aim shot taking years to cast while burst being FCKING 15 sec.
i mean thats not really what the fantasy of holy priest is. its kinda always been a single target spot healer primarily good for tank healing kinda like old hpally. also having 2 aoe healing specs would really stomp on disc toes alot
@@Keyourasa What? Holy priest has been the most well known AOE raid healer in WoW. It's fantasy is absolutely Raid AOE healing is is usually the best at it. It's just for mythic+ those AOE heals aren't designed for 5 man groups, their heals are designed for raid groups. The healing doesn't scale up for 5 people.
I disagree 100% on marksman, playing sentinel on pugs where tanks just randomly move things sucks. Buffing DR is the best way to go, although they really need to rework it for a better effect than the dmg increase, and the same with affliction, it needs a full overhaul of their game mechanics .
still not re-subbing to retail. they refuse to buff tanks back up. all I wanna do is play tank in M+. I enjoy leading groups, organizing pulls, and doing tank mechanics. I was BORN to tank. It's all I do in games. But nah, not in wow. It's trash right now lmfao. And blizz is like "you're welcome" which is hilariously sad.
You can tank in retail. You can play Prot paladin, prot warrior and Bear druid in high keys with success. Blizzard refuses to acknowledge that Brewmaster monk exsists and gives a pity buff to DH
I get your point, but stop being so negative about everything, hurts to watch to see a grown man whine like this. Also it's appreciated to see buffs for underplayed talents to at least attempt to create some diversity.
This crap is getting old. Rinse and repeat. So predictable. Why do people still put up with this crap? Blizzard always make it hard at the beginning. People complain. Blizzard buff then make everything piss easy. All in the name of time gating.
Still no tank buffs???
They dont need buffs. Keys go fine as it is. People just needed to adjust.
@@Robin...222 adjust to having paladin or no paladin?
Our MT does fine as Pally in 13-15 m+ keys. Also tanks Mythic raids.
As a Dev main I'm just happy we finally got something for pyre. Not enough to fix the specs issues but it is still nice.
nothing they do is going to fix the issues that we have with m+ being that tanks are a pain in the ass t oplay
why would we care if our specs get buffed or nerfed if 90% of the time we can't even play them
Tanks and healers will always be way harder to play than a dps but as a holy pal I agree that it’s way worse in season 1. Requires WAY too much multi tasking and studying to know the ins and outs of our class and the dungeons, while hoping that the rest of the group does their job, which is a hard ask.
@@Huntamin77 Tanking is mostly fine, but yes Healers have it most rough at the moment.
The role has way too much reliance on everyone else doing their job.
But maybe thats a problem with too many casters
I hate when Blizzard balances around raid and it directly affects M plus
7:04 important to note here that "The Hunt" was *NOT* buffed by 10%, specifically the initial single target hit of The Hunt was buffed by 10%. Looking at that log specifically, while The Hunt as a whole did 2.82% of that DH's damage, the single target portion was 1%. So a 10% buff to the single target hit of The Hunt with no other buffs would have been a 0.1% increase on this log.
Great time to be a shaman in m+ I guess…6-25% ahead of everything lol meanwhile shadow priest dumpster
Not a single word about shadow priest, all shadow priest relegated to be f tier being exceptional meanwhile+11 and above placed with mediocre paladins and shamans
I mean all of dragonflight shadow priest was meta, the only class that can be meta then not dumpster next expac is mage
@@azizchaudhry1816rogue
As with most specs tbh, a dev evoker with near-perfect stats and bis trinkets will do amazing damage. Pyre isn't used as often as it once was, but it also doesn't hit hard so pyre (even when buffed by charged blast and essence burst) kinda feels underwhelming while mass disintegrate is crazy strong. You also have filler periods in AOE where you just send unbuffed pyres for cooldown reduction on empowered spells. These buffs are gonna be pretty big for dev tbh, but they always buff dev to the heavens at the end of a season for some strange reason. Just do it at the start, they gave it loads of random huge nerfs toward the end of beta for no reason at all
I think doing a +6 makes more sense now than a +4. You're guanreteed the crests of 4 even if you fail, and if yo do succeed you get more.
How the current balance state of healers and tanks in high keys is not the number one topic of every meeting in that company right now is beyond me. As a rdruid that climbed to 3k rating in the first few weeks of the season by pushing my own keys then giving up because pushing my own keys for an entire season is not my idea of fun (since other players bricking a key only punishes the key owner) and doing 3-4x the amount of dungeons for the same amount of rating vs the meta healer who just queues into other people’s keys, I keep checking the wow news for any kind of reason to come back, but I guess they really are “that” fine with current status quo. Seeing absolutely nothing for rdruid or addressing the terrible game design that is bricking keys of key owners when non meta players have no choice but to run their own keys is absolutely heart breaking. Like, “I want to play the game. But you don’t want me to play the game for some reason”
Dude read your first sentence again. What the fuck are you talking about? Its a business! they could care less what the top 2% think about the state of high m+. Delusional. Play a Meta spec if you are stuck or dont and play something else but dont fucking complain they dont give a fuck.
Resto Druid gets a 5% healing increase in PvP, but absolutely nothing in PvE Sadge
Because Resto Druids are already firmly in the middle of the pack?
@ you are talking about raid healing, yes we feel good in there.
But single target Mythic+ healing is another story.
@@cat-vv9xbtry playing holy priest 😂
where diabolist wl buff........
For mm hunters, trick shots is our main aoe buff so that one is very important, but they ahouldve buffed other things or buffed it more
0:50 sounds exactly as raid queue as tank, i see no problem with that...
The way you looked at the Hunter changes was so simple-minded without any sort of thought at how the talents interact with Dark Ranger.
Razor Fragments increases Kill Shots dmg by 75% and does 25% of its dmg in AOE. It will do 35%, but the very next line is dmg increase to Black Arrow. Kill Shot gets replaced by Black Arrow so the buff from Razor Fragments adds to the 15% Black Arrow buff.
Even if this wasnt the case Dark Ranger prefers the left side of the tree (because of the previous interaction I mentioned) whilst Sentinel prefers the right side for M+. There's a chance Dark Ranger becomes the preferred M+ spec due to a smoother dmg profile and better ST/AOE balance.
Its a fucking summary not a Hunter specific tuning discussion
still dead spec, lol
@patd4938 He took longer to say whatever "summary" you are talking about than he would to explain what I said.
It should be noted that its not a summary. He went about explaining razor fragments and showing the hunter tree. Not only that, he took conclusions out of the buffs therefore it isnt even a summary.
Also why wouldnt I explain something to other people who might stumble upon the comment? Its fine if he doesnt know much about Hunter, I can still discuss it myself
WTH what about Feral druid?!? they're still at the bottom on both raid and M+
Agreed. Played feral this morning and love the spec, do crazy damage, but would love for it to be a meta pick for once. Would be an awesome shakeup and funny seeing people reroll to it instead of away from it.
Zimbita is cranking
I don’t believe those Rogue Outlaw numbers. The current outlaw rogue is so flawed and dependent on perfect! Execution to get near good damage.
For PvP this is great, loved these notes
That Dark ranger buff shoulda be on all hunters spec tbh
marksman is actually in a much worse state than it looks. even a fight like broodtwister where they should excel historically, they're at the bottom. and they're probably going to stay at the bottom or go lower just due to how they scale with secondary stats, especially haste which doesnt directly reduce the cooldown of aimed shot and rapid fire like it would with other classes. what needs to be done right now is an increase to aimedshot and rapidfire damage as their aoe scales with that but blizzard is afraid to buff their single target for some reason, despite marksman being in the bottom half for even single target fights.
It's the first season I dont need to use misdirection
wait wait wait screw the patch. HOW DID U GET PERMA VISAGE ON EVOKER?!?!?
Cancelled sub today. Wow is dead for me, endless nonstop grinding for zero reason.
bye we wont miss you
They buffed rock bottom classes with insignificant %%%, I could do better in 2 weeks of work
Are you my friend?
still no changes for brewmaster. meanwhile prot paladin still meta
Wtf is this for lol. I main DH and mm hunter and i was more happy before seeing this changes, after not being touched for so long and this what we get :D . Just let them be the way they are and fix them next season lol. Vdh struggle with their current tier and soul generation, mm struggles with aim shot taking years to cast while burst being FCKING 15 sec.
leave it to blizzard to make pointless changes.
Where is my holypala nerf?
unholy will be 22nd best instead of 24th woohoo
As a holy priest the changes do nothing. Don't need a buff to flash heal. need MASSSSSIVE buff to AOE healing.
The fuck are you talking about Hpriest is insane right now if played right.
i mean thats not really what the fantasy of holy priest is. its kinda always been a single target spot healer primarily good for tank healing kinda like old hpally. also having 2 aoe healing specs would really stomp on disc toes alot
@@Keyourasa What?
Holy priest has been the most well known AOE raid healer in WoW. It's fantasy is absolutely Raid AOE healing is is usually the best at it.
It's just for mythic+ those AOE heals aren't designed for 5 man groups, their heals are designed for raid groups. The healing doesn't scale up for 5 people.
Poor demon hunters
Naah, f..k em
I disagree 100% on marksman, playing sentinel on pugs where tanks just randomly move things sucks. Buffing DR is the best way to go, although they really need to rework it for a better effect than the dmg increase, and the same with affliction, it needs a full overhaul of their game mechanics .
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so.. the only tank in M+ still gonna be paladin... less tanks playing. For those who was waiting for the final push to unsub, the time is now.
All tanks do fine in m+ Problem is people seeing some youtuberw and streamers on the paladin. So everyone think they need to play paladin to
still not re-subbing to retail. they refuse to buff tanks back up. all I wanna do is play tank in M+. I enjoy leading groups, organizing pulls, and doing tank mechanics. I was BORN to tank. It's all I do in games. But nah, not in wow. It's trash right now lmfao. And blizz is like "you're welcome" which is hilariously sad.
You can tank in retail. You can play Prot paladin, prot warrior and Bear druid in high keys with success.
Blizzard refuses to acknowledge that Brewmaster monk exsists and gives a pity buff to DH
Same.
@@deseanroot75numerous brew tanks doing 15s and higher without issues
This is a clear swing and miss take.
Tanking is great still, a jumpy at highest keys but you're definitely not there.
Sounds like a skill issue
49 times.... try 249 times xD
buff frost dks
I get your point, but stop being so negative about everything, hurts to watch to see a grown man whine like this. Also it's appreciated to see buffs for underplayed talents to at least attempt to create some diversity.
This crap is getting old. Rinse and repeat. So predictable. Why do people still put up with this crap? Blizzard always make it hard at the beginning. People complain. Blizzard buff then make everything piss easy. All in the name of time gating.