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  • @AutoalexCars
    @AutoalexCars  หลายเดือนก่อน +22

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    • @adamcox374
      @adamcox374 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Be careful driving with these walkie-talkies, it's just as illegal as using your phone

    • @marksaddler
      @marksaddler หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Oh deer 4:42 another car vertical advert 😂🦌

    • @hardcorebestnlrccarbuilder
      @hardcorebestnlrccarbuilder หลายเดือนก่อน

      Do an raly build wite the peugeot 208 i like that car

    • @WillThePlank
      @WillThePlank หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@adamcox374it’s actually not against the law to use two way radio equipment while driving as long as it’s not being used in a way that is proven to be a distraction that could lead to careless or dangerous driving.
      That’s why use Amateur and CB radio equipment is allowed while driving.

    • @witnesspropro
      @witnesspropro หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      20% off what? How much is it normally? No one ever mentions this.

  • @gwengo4167
    @gwengo4167 หลายเดือนก่อน +1231

    Taylor definitely won the handbrake test. Rory’s and Alex’s was bloody awful

    • @gamerwhipup
      @gamerwhipup หลายเดือนก่อน +109

      #justicefortaylor

    • @Yeorgey
      @Yeorgey หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      but that doesn't add suspense to the ending..

    • @jkasaunder228
      @jkasaunder228 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Would have been nice if they recorded them!

    • @p.informatico1320
      @p.informatico1320 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Not he didn't... he touched the cone... maybe if the guys didn't move the cones he would aced the second try, but we'll never know

    • @gwengo4167
      @gwengo4167 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      @@p.informatico1320 they all touched the cones 😆

  • @Char1ieC
    @Char1ieC หลายเดือนก่อน +768

    I liked the challenge, but...how did you manage to film everything except the cars themselves? 😅

    • @Ferrari_boi
      @Ferrari_boi หลายเดือนก่อน +32

      Handbrake test was really… I just didn’t see how cars turned. So strange. Is this a trick to get like a thousand comments?

    • @ratgreen
      @ratgreen หลายเดือนก่อน +33

      @@Ferrari_boi Because it was scripted and he drove into the tree on purpose and if you saw the full outside shot it would've been obvious.

    • @JonA-qe2su
      @JonA-qe2su หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@ratgreen 100%

    • @Ferrari_boi
      @Ferrari_boi หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@ratgreen that’s what I thought, how Alex drove into a **ing bush on a braking straight test

    • @Ferrari_boi
      @Ferrari_boi หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      I think it’s done for the comments. They get hundreds of comments, which drives the video up in algorithm.
      PS Alex, where is the Ferrari video 😢

  • @Yeorgey
    @Yeorgey หลายเดือนก่อน +459

    Why are there no wide angle shots of the handbrake turns?

    • @Traxxmaciek
      @Traxxmaciek หลายเดือนก่อน +35

      Or a drone shot above
      Or an actual camera on the dials in the 0-40

    • @Budisgud69
      @Budisgud69 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@@Traxxmaciek This isn't TopGear mate, calm down.

    • @GermanCptSlow
      @GermanCptSlow หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      ​@@Budisgud69
      They have drone shots in other parts of the video.
      They also have GoPros. Instead of putting multiple ones on the outside, they could have just used one to film the speedometer.
      We don't need Top Gear/Grand Tour levels of production, we just want them to do a bit better.

    • @MrDedatYT
      @MrDedatYT หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@GermanCptSloware you paying for these vids? yh didn’t think so, be grateful you’ve got some content to watch, sad git

    • @eirebhoy132
      @eirebhoy132 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@MrDedatYToh bore off you melt, the content wasn’t worth watching because of the shit footage they had and what felt like cringy scripting of top gear like moments.

  • @damienmc9973
    @damienmc9973 หลายเดือนก่อน +281

    Could do with bringing in Jack and Eaton from all the gear to sort out the camera work. For 2 guys on their own making full videos their footage is always amazing, could really have done with those guys on this shoot

    • @44shibby
      @44shibby หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      Are you Jamaican?

    • @Itsleeyum
      @Itsleeyum หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Always liked an Ethan Twin Splitter

    • @georgeoliver8300
      @georgeoliver8300 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Ethan and Jack where videographers before presenters so it makes sense

    • @jacobfoster6773
      @jacobfoster6773 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Eaton

    • @TomoHawKzZ
      @TomoHawKzZ หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@@44shibby jamaican me crazy

  • @blainetoms
    @blainetoms หลายเดือนก่อน +183

    hopping down to check the comments and i’m not disappointed by the community.
    shot choices all over the shop.
    it also feels like you’re moving away from “lads having fun with motahs” to being a littttleeeee bit too try hard. felt forced in a lot of spots chaps.

    • @RB_750GS
      @RB_750GS หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Glad it wasn’t just me..

    • @ollyharris9438
      @ollyharris9438 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Agreed. The another channel trying to be top gear choice is starting to become quite obvious. I've never laughed as hard as when Alex & Taylor first starting mucking about with cars in the yard. Now it's all feeling quite forced

    • @Nickubus99
      @Nickubus99 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You fuckers moaning about free content, literally free entertainment do my fucking head in. Don't like it, make something better.

  • @TopCatFCD
    @TopCatFCD หลายเดือนก่อน +384

    Did one of your cameras fail or your editor have funny turn because you didn't actually film any challenge

    • @DavidWasTakn
      @DavidWasTakn หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Top cat was a banger show

    • @connor1586
      @connor1586 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@DavidWasTakni agree

    • @eirebhoy132
      @eirebhoy132 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Also felt so scripted to be like a top gear moment especially when Rory shouted in Alex’s face after his handbrake turn and moving the cone on Taylor 🤦🏻‍♂️

    • @AI-Records24
      @AI-Records24 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      @@eirebhoy132 yea that was really annoying and Rory acting like James on the way round whilst Alex and Taylor do the Clarkson and Hammond thing on the sidelines. Like ffs we all loved top gear of course and we appreciate similarities sometimes but that doesn’t mean we want the wish version on every video

    • @FatHead1979
      @FatHead1979 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@AI-Records24 Indeed - There's no way Rory could REALLY have thought he was going quickly in the 3rd challengem so that felt REALLY fake IMHO.

  • @TomEdd1
    @TomEdd1 หลายเดือนก่อน +109

    Alex - "it looked really good didn't it"
    Me - "I don't know there was no footage of the car"

  • @SelfMadeManiac
    @SelfMadeManiac หลายเดือนก่อน +355

    Guys you've built a cracking channel without all the obvious scripted crap up until now. Please don't go down that rabbit hole just to force content and views. The "crash" into the tree just screams faked laziness. We know you are better than this!

    • @adamwade2546
      @adamwade2546 หลายเดือนก่อน +68

      This channel is on the rocks a bit at the moment for some reason.

    • @Victorioushunter
      @Victorioushunter หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Been scripted since beginning

    • @mktrollop1093
      @mktrollop1093 หลายเดือนก่อน +49

      And Alex being in reverse "by mistake" for the handbrake bit...

    • @Jamesrx8
      @Jamesrx8 หลายเดือนก่อน +51

      The whole video was just a massive copy of all the stuff Top Gear did.

    • @147harry1991
      @147harry1991 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      Couldn't agree more. People want authenticity, not fake crap. It's so unnecessary when they have good chemistry and are all funny guys.

  • @danabc322
    @danabc322 หลายเดือนก่อน +1225

    Not often I say this, but the camerawork was pants on this video! Why wasn’t the drone used on the first two challenges? All reaction shots, no action shots.

    • @EazyDuz18
      @EazyDuz18 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      illegal to fly a drone in that area

    • @HarryBradburyAuto
      @HarryBradburyAuto หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      @@EazyDuz18 It's actually just outside the no fly zone

    • @AI-Records24
      @AI-Records24 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

      Made sure the camera work was good in the CV ad though didn’t they

    • @AaronOrgy
      @AaronOrgy หลายเดือนก่อน

      Jesus moan about anything just shut up being negative

    • @regantnz
      @regantnz หลายเดือนก่อน +41

      @@EazyDuz18except there’s lots of Drone shots of the course?

  • @arjan92
    @arjan92 หลายเดือนก่อน +459

    Why the cameraman doesn't film the cars doing the challenge????

    • @Traxxmaciek
      @Traxxmaciek หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      Yeah definitely need some improvement in that department. Video was really badly shot

    • @SelfMadeManiac
      @SelfMadeManiac หลายเดือนก่อน +78

      I have the suspicion it's because they have gone down the fake it route and don't wanna show the full footage. Alex's "crash" reeks of a set up.

    • @Sorry24538
      @Sorry24538 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@SelfMadeManiacthat’s the one mate he’s a right little sausage 😂

    • @HarryBradburyAuto
      @HarryBradburyAuto หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Traxxmaciek I would argue it’s possibly budget. You can hire a cameraman for 25k a year, but they’ll be straight out of uni with little experience of how to plan their filming schedule, not just physically shoot it. Could be wrong of course but this is how it feels.

    • @caiosiqueirapollo8222
      @caiosiqueirapollo8222 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I was about to say the SAME

  • @gjalie
    @gjalie หลายเดือนก่อน +164

    When you order Top Gear from Temu.
    i liked the buying and dyno parts of this series.

    • @bawssnarmz5204
      @bawssnarmz5204 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      They really think they are them 😂

    • @rg6982
      @rg6982 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Why are you watching then? 😂😂

    • @PhillipGWhite
      @PhillipGWhite หลายเดือนก่อน

      Have you watched early top gear?

    • @lolly166541
      @lolly166541 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@rg6982 You think the comment section is only for you to go on your knees and giving that hawk tuah to TH-camrs? No. It's to criticize them as well... dipstick.

    • @ashleywright1991
      @ashleywright1991 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's more like tepoo

  • @topcat01
    @topcat01 หลายเดือนก่อน +136

    Editing is all over the place

    • @curbyourshi1056
      @curbyourshi1056 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You volunteering? Thought not. 😂😂😂😂

    • @ize100
      @ize100 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@curbyourshi1056you volunteering?

    • @PITBIKEPAD
      @PITBIKEPAD หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hes also not complaining ​@ize100

    • @ize100
      @ize100 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@PITBIKEPAD you complaining?

    • @Goves10
      @Goves10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@PITBIKEPAD Ah yes the typical brain dead comment of "If you criticize you have to go there and do better".
      I'm sure you never criticized politicians, footballers, cooks, race drivers etc etc. Dumb cunt

  • @PointlessDrummer
    @PointlessDrummer หลายเดือนก่อน +127

    can you show what is happening?
    Alex crash looked fake because of it.

    • @147harry1991
      @147harry1991 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      It was fake mate.

    • @mikey_bb
      @mikey_bb หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You mean like the Ferrari crash was staged as well? 👀

    • @DueVolvi
      @DueVolvi หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Almost all accidents in Top Gear were also fake/scripted/ staged! Only the real accidents were Hammonds....:-) And Captain Slow falling of a horse.

    • @PointlessDrummer
      @PointlessDrummer หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@DueVolvi Thats the reason I stopped watching TV and started looking on YT for people who show (at least mostly) their real personality + stuff was real and not written.

    • @147harry1991
      @147harry1991 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @PointlessDrummer SAME!!! don't bring that lame tv crap over to youtube, PLEASE!!!!

  • @HarryBradburyAuto
    @HarryBradburyAuto หลายเดือนก่อน +500

    I’ve mentioned this before but hopefully persistence pays off, please hire a producer. You need someone who isn’t presenting or filming to be planning these videos more thoroughly; someone who is there with a shot list, a rough plan and an idea of what’s coming up next. There are so many missed opportunities in this, including drone shots of some of the challenges, better timed exterior shots of the handbrake turns, voiceovers that could have replaced minutes of waffle, a physical scoreboard, etc. In fact, this whole off road segment could have been exactly that, a 10 minute segment in a 30 minute video. The other segments could be their enjoyment on a b-road in Wales, how much shit you can cram in them, or how many underaged girls the corsa can attract in a maccies car park (don’t do that). I don’t think any of us would mind waiting a little longer for something that had some more variety, a stricter editing process and a little more production value.

    • @AlmightyDilan
      @AlmightyDilan หลายเดือนก่อน +53

      Remember that he left car throttle and started this channel with the purpose of being able to own and do whatever he wants without having a producer and a bunch of suits breathing down his neck.
      But with that being said, the editing and camera work in general was off on this one.

    • @HarryBradburyAuto
      @HarryBradburyAuto หลายเดือนก่อน +31

      @@AlmightyDilan That isn't the job of a producer though-they're simply there to make sure things go according to plan . Alex can still come up with all the ideas and have total control, of course, but trying to present and direct at the same time is a difficult task.

    • @AI-Records24
      @AI-Records24 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@AlmightyDilan producers weren’t the problem there, all they do is make sure everything is polished and I don’t mean fake or set up. Basically they help him implement his ideas.

    • @AlmightyDilan
      @AlmightyDilan หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@AI-Records24 you guys are absolutely right, production value is essential to growth and i wouldnt mind seeing it, but im just not sure thats the direction hes going for
      I could be wrong tho

    • @HarryBradburyAuto
      @HarryBradburyAuto หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@AI-Records24 Exactly that

  • @georgeg9959
    @georgeg9959 หลายเดือนก่อน +169

    Doing taylor dirty on the handbrake cos you knew he'd win 😢 nailed the second attempt

    • @Charlieh1989
      @Charlieh1989 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      "YOU EVIL MAN, that's brilliant"

    • @AI-Records24
      @AI-Records24 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@georgeg9959 the man child can’t ever lose🤣

  • @CheekyDave777
    @CheekyDave777 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    It's rare you get to see a car offered as a competition prize and then watch someone absolutely rag it off-road before you win it.

    • @dlw303
      @dlw303 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      U won’t win it do ur homework into llf games total shambles

  • @charliebelton1994
    @charliebelton1994 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    Alex, listen to your viewers. Cut the Billy bullshit btec acting, staged stunts and budget challenges where 2 out of 3 go over budget. We all subscribe to support you and our mutual passion for cars. Don't forget your roots.

  • @frosts1956
    @frosts1956 หลายเดือนก่อน +224

    I feel like you guys forgot to actually record the cars instead of just jump cutting between angles of yourself lol. For reference go watch a gears and gasoline video

    • @YusufJoeKarolia
      @YusufJoeKarolia หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      They just need to watch jack and Ethan cause the 2 of them manage to capture everything even without cameramen

    • @james0996
      @james0996 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Nothing beats gears and gasoline

    • @DimebagHetfield696
      @DimebagHetfield696 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@YusufJoeKarolia werent Jack and Ethan a camera man and an editor originally at CT though? Maybe I'm misremembering!
      No matter though, I agree, All the Gear vids are great!

    • @ashleywright1991
      @ashleywright1991 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      They think there clarksons crew and want all the attention on them it's been slowly getting worse

    • @ollyharris9438
      @ollyharris9438 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Or the latest Cleetus cheap truck challenge

  • @adammcallister2260
    @adammcallister2260 หลายเดือนก่อน +53

    Wasn’t just me that thought the camera work was sub par judging by the comments. This must’ve been failed cameras. There’s no way the camera work was planned like this.
    Other people have said there’s some scripting. I’m not sure on that but some of it did feel a bit forced. You’ve got a fantastic channel, hope it carries on that way.
    Still enjoyed it anyway. Kinda wanted the VXR to win!

  • @steventurton3341
    @steventurton3341 หลายเดือนก่อน +53

    The camera work was dreadful, on the handbrake turns we got an inside shot it you driving in then an outside shot of a parked car. And Alex’s crash was also missed looked too staged.

  • @inb4230
    @inb4230 หลายเดือนก่อน +58

    so to decide what's the best car you drove them around a mud pit for 40 seconds while filming your faces?
    Nah, great concept(not a new one..), extremely poor execution
    between the 3 of you bouncing ideas, that's the best you could come up with,do handbrake turns in cars without a functioning handbrake, and doing a nascar lap around a square soggy field in hot hatches??

  • @Skrtbaow
    @Skrtbaow หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Judging by the comments you’ve liked, I’d say it’s safe to assume you purposely went for the “top gear vibe” which is fair enough.
    You need to listen to your community and take on the feedback though.
    Being sat there liking all the comments glazing the video makes it look more like you’re sticking your head in the dirt than anything.
    I’m sure you’re aware of Cleetus’ channel. They did a few “Challenge” video series and none of those videos came across as cheap and knockoff-y as this. I get the budgets are very different, but there is more you could’ve done here.
    TH-cam is TH-cam and people want to see authentic and genuine content. This is everything but.
    Stop with the fakery before it’s too late. And if you’re gonna do a Top Gear “inspired” video, be honest about your intentions. It’s one thing to pay homage to something so beloved (and consequently ruined) and it’s another thing to attempt to copy it. If you really were going for a top gear inspired video, it was truly, horrendously executed.
    I’m really not wanting this to come across like I’m hating. I’ve been watching since the early Car Throttle days, I just don’t want this channel to be in the “Top 10 hardest automotive TH-camr falloff’s of all time”
    Please listen to the constructive feedback you get.

    • @PointNemo9
      @PointNemo9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      This was far more than just a Top Gear vibe, it felt like just an imitation.

  • @thecodex0994
    @thecodex0994 หลายเดือนก่อน +101

    Surly the challenges should have been done in a supermarket car park for the true hot hatch experience

    • @jordanhoughton2897
      @jordanhoughton2897 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Get some Macdonald's trays for the handbrake turn challenge 😂

    • @thecodex0994
      @thecodex0994 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Brilliant idea

    • @Phantom_Aspekt
      @Phantom_Aspekt หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@jordanhoughton2897 Yes! Maccas trays are classic

    • @AI-Records24
      @AI-Records24 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Why on earth have they done it in a field🤣🤣

    • @promethbastard
      @promethbastard หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@thecodex0994 That's just oldschool MCM

  • @Ollies-octane.
    @Ollies-octane. หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    Love the videos but this one just seemed too scripted, it was just trying too much to be like top gear aswell and the camera work wasn’t the best but love the work keep it up fellas and look forward to seeing you at ShedFest 3.0

  • @Mark__A
    @Mark__A หลายเดือนก่อน +86

    Feels sooo staged like the "worst" grand tour episode...

    • @John.Winchester
      @John.Winchester หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      its getting harder to watch as the autoalex era continues, honestly if it wasnt for taylor, this channel would be dead.

    • @ashleywright1991
      @ashleywright1991 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      @@John.Winchester yeah Rory comes over as an overdramtic 2 year old that always sounds like his crying ... and the way he comes up with b.s so quick is pretty alarming ... wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him

  • @JMB1891
    @JMB1891 หลายเดือนก่อน +137

    Somehow Jack and Ethan on bicycles has become more entertaining than this nonsense.

  • @Frambues1ta
    @Frambues1ta หลายเดือนก่อน +109

    You should use the drone more often, especially for this types of test. The 0-40 and brake whould have been great to see in that view

    • @mikedockal8978
      @mikedockal8978 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      I agree, it was a really entertaining video, we got all the reactions but not enough of action shots.

    • @frankhall401
      @frankhall401 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      Lots of shots of their faces but not the driving. Odd filming or editing choice.

    • @danabc322
      @danabc322 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Also came here to say this! Unusually piss-poor job from this channel

    • @wntr2980
      @wntr2980 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      wouldnt be able to do a drone shot of the puegeot as it was clearly scripted, hope these lot down go down the route of making up stuff for entertainment its just lazy

    • @frankhall401
      @frankhall401 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@wntr2980 The "accidental" crash was a bit naff to say the least.

  • @aintaintaword666
    @aintaintaword666 หลายเดือนก่อน +89

    17:10 a bit too scripted

    • @archechme
      @archechme หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Have you not noticed that this channel echos Top Gear quite a lot? And of course, a lot of other channels.

    • @DavidWasTakn
      @DavidWasTakn หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@archechme 100%, being inspired is one thing but I think TGT ending has just made it even worse lol. And it's unfortunately a very poor imitation

    • @Avoshq
      @Avoshq หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The gang produce brilliant content but this felt a little rushed, more cameramen/women would help. Luke being the independent adjudicator would have added something…

  • @xXSunShine036Xx
    @xXSunShine036Xx หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I was really hoping for a lot more from the end of this series, as hot hatchs are where most enthusiasts begin. Ending it in a flat field felt like we can't be arsed.

  • @michaelporter8485
    @michaelporter8485 หลายเดือนก่อน +77

    Taylor’s laugh sets me off everytime 😂😂😂😂

  • @mange.r7901
    @mange.r7901 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    I would say, the old Car Throttle videos did feel a whole lot better in terms of planning and filming. There was fun challenges, structure and great producing. For example the 500£ daily driver challenge. A bit like comparing Top Gear with The Grand Tour. Top Gear felt well planned, funny but structured while The Grand Tour feels a bit slow and half-planned to me personally.

  • @djsammy.b
    @djsammy.b หลายเดือนก่อน +52

    My dogs ears pricked up when he heard Taylor laughing at the start 0:04 seconds 😂😂😂🐕🐕🐕

  • @turboman9588
    @turboman9588 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    The older I have gotten, the more opportunity I have had to afford nicer vehicles. However, as of late I have started to miss cheap shit boxes from my younger years. Like these that really have a lot of character and where you just do basic mods and repairs yet drive them like you absolutely have stole them. Keep it up gents, your showing really how

  • @SpuddyLlama
    @SpuddyLlama หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Not disappointed by the community in the comments on this one, bit disappointing lads. Hopefully the next one is a bit more well put together because this felt chaotic and majority of it was babble and reaction shots. No hate just constructive critisism.

  • @toille7626
    @toille7626 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    This episode felt a little weird, rushed, even staged (for the 1st time)...
    - No camera angle for the handbrake turns
    - Incorrect outcome for the handbrake turns to build suspense, I guess?
    - That crash didn't seem possible (and yet you were filming but chose not to show it all)
    - Rory's in car comms were forced (just be in the zone, don't shout and scream)
    - I didn't mind the camera work overall, but the editing was rough
    You boys are natural talents, theres no need to rush things

  • @kez2k
    @kez2k หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Had to turn it off halfway through. Camera work, editing and the fake crash left a sour taste in my mouth. I liked this channel as well, please don’t go down this route.

  • @shinjisan2015
    @shinjisan2015 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    15:22 Taylor summed up this video in Three Words.

    • @Blackcheddar
      @Blackcheddar หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I came down here to make the exact same comment

  • @robw4613
    @robw4613 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    Sorry to say this felt well under par guys, poor camerawork, far too scripted, over excitement, fake laughter, very cheesy and 1st ever time I've turned off early. I appreciate change/evolving is good, but this seemed completely forced and unnatural. Generally love what you do and I'll be back for the next video 👍

    • @MrManBuzz
      @MrManBuzz หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I feel like this video is an example of where they crossed the line of invoking the 'spirit' of old Top Gear and actually trying to replicate it.
      The latter is doomed to fail. Top Gear couldn't even replicate Top Gear anymore.

  • @CarsandtheirParts
    @CarsandtheirParts หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    come on lads, this was shot poorly, the handbrake test was terrible, as a viewer I had no clue what was actually happening because all we saw was Rorys reactions.

  • @alexblake4167
    @alexblake4167 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    I feel like you guys didn't have enough camera people. I can't imagine how expensive it would be especially if you're on a budget, but I felt like we missed most of the action of all the great and funny things that happened in this vid. Not trying to be mean, Love you guys, I will always watch the vids haha

    • @HarryBradburyAuto
      @HarryBradburyAuto หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Static cameras are always a good option. Couple of gopros on tripods would do the job for the handbrake turn test for example

  • @Big_ben19
    @Big_ben19 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Maybe now is just the right time for Taylor, Luke & Chris to launch a Taylor Made Cars channel. This scripted nonsense and bad acting/fake/over exaggerated "reactions" have worn a bit thin now. This is TH-cam, not Amazon/Netflix!

  • @arranshuker
    @arranshuker หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    So we had lots of videos on the buying and build up to this end? Hot hatches in the mud? How bizarre. I feel like you've done these cars an injustice with this. I'm glad the Clio won, because it's obviously the best car, but perhaps a track would have been a better use of our time?

  • @AshleyWilliams12345
    @AshleyWilliams12345 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    The camera work wasn’t up to the standard we expect from the channel. But one of the best little series you have done in a while, nice to see some video’s without a mini or a BMW! And not Including the usually E73 i M sports grand touring Alpina coupe cobblers.

  • @mhk2300
    @mhk2300 หลายเดือนก่อน +286

    Apologies, I really don't like "hating" but I think you need to invest in more/better camera men and better editing. How you don't actually show the shot of the cars doing the handbrake turns or Alex accidentally reversing to name a few examples just seems so amateur.

    • @captainashcam
      @captainashcam หลายเดือนก่อน +32

      Weird huh?! Terrible camera work.

    • @HarryBradburyAuto
      @HarryBradburyAuto หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      Agreed, although what they need is a producer/director IMO. Someone who isn’t presenting or filming and can focus on the upcoming shots, general plan, the edit, etc. There’s so much potential to be had but this one thing is holding them back hugely I think

    • @stuartkennedy2082
      @stuartkennedy2082 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      But this is TH-cam, things happen rather than pretend to happen? You need to demand an immediate refund of the feck all this cost you and get back to the Grand Tour

    • @stujeffrey
      @stujeffrey หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Get in the bin mate

    • @HarryBradburyAuto
      @HarryBradburyAuto หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      @@stuartkennedy2082 That’s a rather needlessly aggressive way to respond. People are simply giving feedback, which is what these comments are for. I agree, things need to happen and not pretend to happen, but the production value needs to improve.

  • @maxeluy
    @maxeluy หลายเดือนก่อน +583

    We need a muscle car challenge 🙃

    • @jackainsworth3709
      @jackainsworth3709 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      Yes!! Taylors mentioned Monaros and Maloos in the podcast a few times, totally think he needs to try one, I can confirm the Monaro is a total blast

    • @turboo6371
      @turboo6371 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hell yes!

    • @junatah5903
      @junatah5903 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      Muscle cars are rare in britain, and when they are here, they aren't cheap, even for rust buckets.

    • @alexanderbooth7779
      @alexanderbooth7779 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      In America

    • @redmille1000
      @redmille1000 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      And no more BMW’s, ever.

  • @iartheownage
    @iartheownage หลายเดือนก่อน +37

    Unpopular opinion, but Rory on camera just doesn't do it for me. Probably would do better behind the camera as this was terrible

    • @ollyharris9438
      @ollyharris9438 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      From the comments here, I don't think your opinion is especially unpopular.

    • @davepage1151
      @davepage1151 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      You’re spot on, the guy is unwatchable. He’s the equivalent of that Wombat on the Meerkat adverts.

  • @hagymasymarton4714
    @hagymasymarton4714 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

    okay, this feels like a cheap fake, because you dont really know how to fake a video like this. this was very different from the usual autoalex video vibes, youre just going full top-gear, please stop.

  • @bradleygarwood3124
    @bradleygarwood3124 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Back in the day Performance Car magazine had two rules for the jurnos. 1 keep control of the car at all times. 2 keep control of your face at all times. One for Rory there 😀

  • @dwaynne_way
    @dwaynne_way หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    Personally my choice would be the Clio, my first car was a Clio, so I got a soft spot for them. Only Alex could get a damp and soggy Peugeot 😂

  • @extremalee
    @extremalee หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    So we're swaping cars.... Have a word with your editor & enable that spell check :P

  • @SevCars
    @SevCars หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    No doubt a lot of work went into doing this. It just seems like not a lot of brains or consideration did. First of all, why are you on mud in hot hatches? Why do we not get full exterior shots of the challenges being performed? The entire video flow is boring, the cuts are the same for the entire duration and the laugh seems really forced. You can do better than this.
    You would have had more genuine and funny content, if you had planned this challenge better. It could have been an autocross challenge, reverse J turns, B road testing, blasting offensive music and seeing which car gets the most attention, rev limit sound-off, wheelspin attempts, getting young girls opinions, dressing up as hot hatch teenagers and so on.. Hope to see you returning to better form soon! All the best

    • @ashleywright1991
      @ashleywright1991 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @SevCars lots of work? Someone's yard and a few tyres and a random dinner lady as a camera man .... talk about budget video with fake everything

  • @mattcoster
    @mattcoster หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    As an owner of a 208gti I can safely say that it deserves more than a 4/10!! Not bland at all!! Very nippy and fun to drive day to day. 0-60 in 6.5secs. 200bhp. What's not to like!!

  • @Black_Templar_Marshal
    @Black_Templar_Marshal หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Was hoping for a drag race between these cars

  • @DavesUsername
    @DavesUsername หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Another comment for you which I hope is constructive and not just another negative and as you guys are great.
    Agreed with many comments here the camera/edit was a little all over the place, hard to pin it down. On your tasks it was genuinely hard to unpick what was going on so we as an audience we aren't following the plot points your laying out and end up not invested in the competition. I'd say the race was the best section but you needed a fixed drone shot or higher angle shot of each lap so you could really see the route and compare laps, also probably worth explaining the route and showing a diagram before the race.
    Second point, and I think more importantly, whilst I get that you can't fall in love with every car in the world I think more needs to be done to build the relationship with each of your cars, whether that means a slower series or splitting to each of you doing your process. There's been quite a few moments where a car or some modifications come out of nowhere and the process of you getting it or doing that is half of what gets the audience invested in the builds and the story and therefore actually caring who wins the competition. Almost like Donuts high car low car where we see real work being done and a story behind the car other than it is a "shit hatchback that I bought" and now we're racing. Odd suggestions but take a look at the "scrapyward wars" series setup by linus tech tips (this is PC building but a great format you guys could adapt I'm sure). I think all three of you are now solid presenters on the channel so you should each be managing your story and coming together for a joint episode at the end as the build up to this episode has also been a little underwhelming. You guys will figure it out but just wanted to give some thoughts that might be beneficial..

  • @KHarHar
    @KHarHar หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Was there a new editor for this one? Or were there missing cameras or lost footage (it's like one of them is shooting in manual focus too). It's really strange, Alex's 40mph run is literally 2 seconds of the start and then a flash of a speedo (miles away from the tree) and then a crash. The rest of the video is just so strangely cut.

    • @KHarHar
      @KHarHar หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Also on the final challenge - no rundown of the course or expanation, more footage of the two guys watching the car (and commentating) than the actual footage itself. So strange lads and I'm normally such a huge fan of the channel but things have been off recently!

  • @MarJay1980
    @MarJay1980 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So I need to give some props, respect, whatever you want to call it to Mr. Taylor Hetherington. Not only is he a great mechanic, great presenter and he loves his mum... it also turns out he's something of a helmsman! Fantastic work sir, you are the clear winner of all of the challenges, no matter what Rory and Alex says.

  • @tomsmith2209
    @tomsmith2209 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

    Something makes me think that Rory doesn't know what a Scandy flick is.

    • @curbyourshi1056
      @curbyourshi1056 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I've been hosteling in Scandinavia Performed a couple of Scandy flicks myself. 😂😂😂 My Dad also works at Nintendo though, so take that as you will... 😂😂😂😂

  • @kris856
    @kris856 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    well, maybe the challenge was great, but actually never saw the cars ... today's filming was poor af
    TBH I enjoyed watching Ethan and Jack walking for 24h more

  • @jaykay4218
    @jaykay4218 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

    So Cotswold Driving Experience is just a swampy field ?

    • @AI-Records24
      @AI-Records24 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@jaykay4218 don’t forget the old tyres that mark out a “track”🤣🤣

    • @AI-Records24
      @AI-Records24 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@AutoGASHcontent hahahahahha

  • @Peterpanic-c3h
    @Peterpanic-c3h หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I have owned a few hot hatches in my time, I have never once raced them around a muddy field. Wouldn't it have been a much better test if you had taken them around the small race track you used to use?

  • @stefanhamann6916
    @stefanhamann6916 หลายเดือนก่อน +52

    I’m a huge fan of this channel. 100% the best car channel out there and I will watch every single video and podcast start to finish. This video was great. It’s funny but it was a bit wierd not seeing actual footage of driving and the challenges. I’ve said it before, Autoalex usually has fantastic editing and little Easter eggs however this video wasn’t quite there. Still a lot of fun but wierd watching Taylor and Rory looking into a car doing a challenge and not actually seeing said car.
    Still great effort and top content as ever!

    • @stefanhamann6916
      @stefanhamann6916 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@AutoGASHcontentnot true. They are all great. Just this one video wasn’t the most enjoyable

    • @toastrytoaster
      @toastrytoaster หลายเดือนก่อน

      Dudes right, this channel is pants now. Alex is really phoning it in. It's all getting to his head.

    • @georgeberesford92
      @georgeberesford92 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@toastrytoasterthe blokes just had a kid he’ll be getting about 20 minutes of sleep a week it was solid before it’s just more sporadic for a bit he’s obviously not going to be doing 1000 mile shitbox trips with a what one and a bit month old baby at home is he

    • @georgeberesford92
      @georgeberesford92 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@AutoGASHcontent I don’t mind it so I’ll keep watching fellar have a gooden

  • @Lsmith08062008
    @Lsmith08062008 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    What's going on lad's. This was poor! Scripted crashes and really bad camera work.
    Please go back to your high-quality videos 👏
    I look forward to them, but they have been consistently decreasing in quality!!
    Even the podcasts are going downhill 😢

  • @BenDeSwert666
    @BenDeSwert666 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    14:20 No no no! Taylor nailed that one!
    Also, who would have thought the Renault is the least crap of those 😂

    • @thomasrudge
      @thomasrudge หลายเดือนก่อน

      They nerfed the vauxhall 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @shortmonk95
    @shortmonk95 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    This video just shows.. you lot need to get rory a hell of alot more track time. Dude looks scared of anything over 30% throttle

    • @AI-Records24
      @AI-Records24 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@shortmonk95 probably fake to imitate top gear James may (yet again)

  • @TJC156
    @TJC156 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Might be unpopular for saying this but I really think Rory should go back to editing, I don’t think being a presenter suits him, just doesn’t come naturally and it’s very obvious. Agree with the rest about the camerawork which was poor. Also Alex accidentally starting in reverse and crashing into the tree was pathetic.

  • @CrossfireStudios
    @CrossfireStudios หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    Naaa, Talyor definitely won that first challenge, 100%

  • @EazyDuz18
    @EazyDuz18 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

    Moving the cone is a bit too TopGear tbh

    • @AshleyWilliams12345
      @AshleyWilliams12345 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      No that’s any group of mates in this situation…. It’s just happened to be that Jeremy, James and Richard were mates. The same as Alex, Taylor and Rory are.

    • @EazyDuz18
      @EazyDuz18 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@AshleyWilliams12345 Except that's literally what they did in a TopGear episode...

    • @markcraggs6471
      @markcraggs6471 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@EazyDuz18 Except groups of friends were doing that for god knows how many years before Top Gear did it, and have for the 20 years since. The Top Gear three didn’t invent stitching a mate up.

    • @EazyDuz18
      @EazyDuz18 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@markcraggs6471 Not on a car themed tv show they havn't

    • @ashleywright1991
      @ashleywright1991 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @EazyDuz18 it was all top gear but a wayyyyyyy wayyyy crapper version ... didn't sign up to this shite

  • @slipmagt
    @slipmagt หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Im pretty new to the channel, and I only know Alex a bit from his previous channel. But Ive been binging the last couple of days and I just wanna say bringing Rory in front of the camera, and having Taylor in more videos was a great decision. The three of you together are great.
    I can, and do, watch idiots buy and play with shitboxes all day.

  • @adampotter6145
    @adampotter6145 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Is this gcse drama grand tour

  • @snowboyben1978
    @snowboyben1978 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Had to turn it off this episode was so bad. Every cliche.

  • @mattbrown4747
    @mattbrown4747 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Not sure you can call that Peugeot bland compared to a Clio and a Corsa. It’s the most interesting one in my opinion…
    It also has the best interior.

  • @16ats
    @16ats หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    1:44 neons are now neOFF's

  • @blakslee720
    @blakslee720 หลายเดือนก่อน

    These chaps and Car Trek really have carried the torch of TopGear/Grand Tour. Thank you and keep it up!

  • @mrbridger5
    @mrbridger5 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    I've watched pretty much every video as far back as the CT days, but this is one I couldn't watch to the end. The idea was good, production good, TopGear-esq, even with the set-up crash in the hedge,, but so much screaming and shouting, it's ear piercing 😩 Also, why wasn't the camera man actually filming the handbrake turns? 🤷🏻

    • @AutoalexCars
      @AutoalexCars  หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      so funny story...I had no intention to end up in the trees!

    • @MrManBuzz
      @MrManBuzz หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      ​​@@AutoalexCarsWhy didn't we get a good view of the crash then? Was the footage lost? What happened? If that genuinely wasn't a scripted crash, the way it was edited made it look scripted.

    • @DavidWasTakn
      @DavidWasTakn หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@AutoalexCars Come on man lol

  • @theo_7212
    @theo_7212 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Please keep Rory out of the videos. We are all pertrol heads but Rory has nithing to do with driving.

  • @flippy9133
    @flippy9133 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    was the editor on drugs? Feel like i am having a stroke watching this

  • @Jamesrx8
    @Jamesrx8 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

    This is just a blatant copy of the old Top Gear challenge style videos, moving the cones, in reverse by accident, fake crash, silly camera cuts. I love the channel and you guys but please please keep it original, this was just trying too hard.

    • @ashleywright1991
      @ashleywright1991 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yup ... pretty tragic tbh

  • @Carlos1180
    @Carlos1180 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

    Please stop trying to be Top Gear. It's just cringy. Love you guys but it's just not working. And don't be an A-hole to Taylor. 0 points for the handbrake? He did better than Alex and Rory

    • @justanomadicguy
      @justanomadicguy หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Carlos.....you need to get a life

    • @Carlos1180
      @Carlos1180 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@justanomadicguy Jog on, troll. And take your 1 subscriber with you 🤣

  • @PooleAcademyofWingChun
    @PooleAcademyofWingChun หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Stop with the car vertical advertisement

  • @_odaxelagnia
    @_odaxelagnia หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    Please I BEG YOU put Rory back behind the camera hes awful as a presenter

    • @andyjay4442
      @andyjay4442 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Nooooo! Just get a good cameraman

    • @Mr8erg
      @Mr8erg หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Agreed, he’s got all the charisma of wallpaper paste

  • @sniperlif3
    @sniperlif3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Taylor won the handbrake, and lost the 0-40. That 0-40 jumped like wheel spin on Taylor's go, Rory was correct... There was no way to get to 40.

  • @Hereforthelaffs
    @Hereforthelaffs หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Feel so sorry for Rory 😢 your girlfriend running off with your dad is just heartbreaking 💔

    • @tomhart9685
      @tomhart9685 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What

    • @Hereforthelaffs
      @Hereforthelaffs หลายเดือนก่อน

      Gotta listen to the podcast it’s “what he doesn’t say”

    • @markmac9225
      @markmac9225 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Where did you hear this? Lol

    • @sussexvaleting
      @sussexvaleting หลายเดือนก่อน

      Huh? Is that what happened?

    • @AI-Records24
      @AI-Records24 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Another one for the list of things that never happened

  • @Timjacks01
    @Timjacks01 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great idea and enthusiasm but as with a lot of comments camera / editing not up to usual standard. Be good to see more action not reaction.
    Everyone is allowed an off day, refocus and move on 💪🏻

  • @Adam-dj3qr
    @Adam-dj3qr หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Whens the classic car challenge update?

  • @conorwarnes9132
    @conorwarnes9132 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Can't believe Rory is on this channel but not Jack/Ethan. He just isn't remotely funny or engaging.

  • @mike-A299
    @mike-A299 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Don't use Car Vertical. They don't do their checks properly. Mine came back as the wrong make, model and engine, despite having the original documents from the manufacture from new. Plus, their stolen car checks were only done in three countries. All info available can be found for free.

  • @isaacfalvey
    @isaacfalvey หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow! The comments are harsh. For the record, Alex, I enjoyed the video. I don't expect this channel to have the same production values as a TV show with a huge budget.

  • @Wisconsin.pikachu
    @Wisconsin.pikachu หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    22:55 Danger to manifold 😂😂😂, careful or random floor bolts will pop and you will drop your floor pan

  • @danbuckingham5077
    @danbuckingham5077 หลายเดือนก่อน +75

    Not only should Rory not be in front of the camera, but there were more shots of him than the actual cars!

    • @ollypricegaming2233
      @ollypricegaming2233 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      Agreed

    • @Budisgud69
      @Budisgud69 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Rory is class, give over.

    • @Shot_Kawla
      @Shot_Kawla หลายเดือนก่อน +34

      Idk why but he is very unlikable

    • @ollypricegaming2233
      @ollypricegaming2233 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@Shot_Kawla totally

    • @TomTom-gs7wy
      @TomTom-gs7wy หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      @@Shot_Kawlayeah he needs to go back to being off camera

  • @54mgtf22
    @54mgtf22 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I saw this episode of Top Gear. It was James May in a Suzuki Vitara that couldn’t stop.

    • @H.K_R
      @H.K_R หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Wrong. It was Hammond.

    • @54mgtf22
      @54mgtf22 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@H.K_R Said with all the authority of a keyboard warrior. 🤣🤣

  • @newfelo
    @newfelo หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hearing Taylor and Rory cackling away is pure serotonin

  • @lloydgriffiths1847
    @lloydgriffiths1847 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Taylor is actually such a good driver!

    • @MrManBuzz
      @MrManBuzz หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I suspect that isn't the first time Taylor has done a handbrake turn 😂

    • @mikey_bb
      @mikey_bb หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I've always thought this tbh - I think he has an understated confidence about his driving & a real appreciation for cars both for how they drive & how they function mechanically

  • @Nicocar65
    @Nicocar65 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Would be amazing to see an American car economy run challenge

  • @joeld.6828
    @joeld.6828 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Taylor is robbed during the handbrake challenge.

  • @__brnrd__
    @__brnrd__ หลายเดือนก่อน

    Let me just say that the extra time editing it was very much worth it
    Great challenges , lots of fun and an awesome video

  • @g.d2450
    @g.d2450 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    watching this is like watching Top gear..... if it was mde by Temu

    • @dave41184
      @dave41184 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Temu Gear?

    • @Mardy72
      @Mardy72 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Grand Temu

    • @jeremywentworth1833
      @jeremywentworth1833 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It sad & depressing trying to do what the masters of comedy motoring do in Clarkson Hammond & May. It's actually perfectiv !!!

  • @dtprodrive
    @dtprodrive หลายเดือนก่อน

    The clio 172/182 is such a cool hot hatch. Great looking great handling and that induction sound from that na engine is sick. No wonder good examples of these are flying up in value. Also gutted you didn’t take these on track

  • @Chas75
    @Chas75 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Definitely something weird happened with the footage, still fun!!

  • @przemekmm90
    @przemekmm90 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Ahhh, Fluence - such a nice daily-driven-sheeeet-box. (And i write this as an owner of mighty Fluence Sport-Way with whopping 140 hp...)