I have another video uploading. And I will start getting more videos out. It has been a weird fall and spring. I have been in a funk because of some stupid stuff with Utahs Division of Wildlife Resources. Anyway, videos are coming.
Why put the yarn on the same side of the shank as beadchain after going to the effort of adding the "lift kit"? The drag is fighting you that way. By tying the yarn body on the inside of the gap you'd have a more stable fly and there'd probably enough drag to flip the hook without any weight. I'm not saying you'd necessarily want to fish it weightless, but it illustrates the principle.
I have tied it that way too, the reason being is to create the lift platform. The fly sits with the front end down and kicks the back end up in the air more. You are absolutely correct though, and if I was tying a lighter fly, that I had a concern with the fly turning over, I would tie it that way.
@@carponthefly8282 Yeah I understand what the lift kit is supposed to do - although I don't think it actually makes the difference that they claim it does,with leader drag etc. the fly will rock back off of the eye once it reaches bottom anyway as there's nothing to keep the back end up. The dropped center of gravity & extra weight only matters while the fly is sinking and even then only serves to allow a lighter eye because of the added extra weight where a heavier eye would have the same end effect. Does that make sense? Regardless of the weight there's still no upside to putting the yarn on the outside of the hook.
I think we may be misunderstanding each other. By tying in the yarn on the top of the hook shank, the thread creates the base for the fly to stand up and kick the back up. If you tie it on the other side, the fly will turn over much better, but it will lay much more flat and with the dumbbell eyes or bead chain, the eye of the hook will sit higher than the tail. Typically, I think carp fly tyers put way too much emphasis on kicking the tail up: However, that is the reason the yarn is tied in this way. Does that make sense? I’m not really talking about the lift kit. From a physics standpoint. The lift kit absolutely helps turn a fly over, but that is completely separate to why this fly is tied this why. If this doesn’t make sense I recommend tying it both ways to see how both ways sit. I did. In fact I thought exactly what you are saying when I first learned this pattern. Both ways will work, the way you are saying will turn the fly over better, the way I showed makes the tail kick up. I don’t know how important that actually is, but it is tied this way for that reason.
Absolutely fantastic! Thakyou so much for posting this. Carp on fly is getting more and more popular here in Australia 🇦🇺
It’s growing fast!
Awesome! Thanks for the vid.
You bet!
Reminds me of Grover from Sesame Street...An alien grover, though.
That is funny. I can see that for sure.
Man, I was wondering when you were going post again!!!
I have another video uploading. And I will start getting more videos out. It has been a weird fall and spring. I have been in a funk because of some stupid stuff with Utahs Division of Wildlife Resources. Anyway, videos are coming.
That fly catches the hawgs! #ItsTheLiftKit 😂😉👊🏻
All you brother. I love the lift kit.
Winner! I've got a few of these in darker colours.
I tie them in all black, olive, and rust. This color combination has been a great producer on a few specific crayfish heavy waters.
I prefer EP fibers but use what you got! 🙂
Why put the yarn on the same side of the shank as beadchain after going to the effort of adding the "lift kit"? The drag is fighting you that way. By tying the yarn body on the inside of the gap you'd have a more stable fly and there'd probably enough drag to flip the hook without any weight. I'm not saying you'd necessarily want to fish it weightless, but it illustrates the principle.
I have tied it that way too, the reason being is to create the lift platform. The fly sits with the front end down and kicks the back end up in the air more. You are absolutely correct though, and if I was tying a lighter fly, that I had a concern with the fly turning over, I would tie it that way.
@@carponthefly8282 Yeah I understand what the lift kit is supposed to do - although I don't think it actually makes the difference that they claim it does,with leader drag etc. the fly will rock back off of the eye once it reaches bottom anyway as there's nothing to keep the back end up. The dropped center of gravity & extra weight only matters while the fly is sinking and even then only serves to allow a lighter eye because of the added extra weight where a heavier eye would have the same end effect. Does that make sense?
Regardless of the weight there's still no upside to putting the yarn on the outside of the hook.
I think we may be misunderstanding each other. By tying in the yarn on the top of the hook shank, the thread creates the base for the fly to stand up and kick the back up. If you tie it on the other side, the fly will turn over much better, but it will lay much more flat and with the dumbbell eyes or bead chain, the eye of the hook will sit higher than the tail. Typically, I think carp fly tyers put way too much emphasis on kicking the tail up: However, that is the reason the yarn is tied in this way. Does that make sense? I’m not really talking about the lift kit. From a physics standpoint. The lift kit absolutely helps turn a fly over, but that is completely separate to why this fly is tied this why. If this doesn’t make sense I recommend tying it both ways to see how both ways sit. I did. In fact I thought exactly what you are saying when I first learned this pattern. Both ways will work, the way you are saying will turn the fly over better, the way I showed makes the tail kick up. I don’t know how important that actually is, but it is tied this way for that reason.
Could you use ep fibers instead like a ep crab style tie ?
Yes. EP fibers would work for sure.