Honda Transalp vs Suzuki V-Strom 800DE vs Yamaha Tenere 700 Preview!
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It's worth mentioning the V-Strom also has a fully adjustable suspension, bolt on subframe, and is likely the best for 2 up riding. Add in the extra fuel capacity, I'm definitely leading towards the Suzuki for long distance back road riding.
To heavy
It’s true it’s heavier, but to what? People start looking at all the features of the heavy weight high horsepower kings like 1250 GS, tenere 1200, Africa twin 1000, 1290 super adventure and people make all the excuses for BMW’s ridiculous weights even for all the bells and whistles .
You pick a bike for the way you choose to ride. Earth man just stated why he would choose the Suzuki and I agree it’s a great choice for having “2 up” and longer fuel range while carrying luggage. Could you imagine doing that to the Tenere 700? Yeah good luck with the frame not breaking or the passenger telling g you good luck because that bike is not really meant for two people……again your right about the weight but clearly the intentions for picking the bike were stated pretty clearly. Just saying.
No tubeless tires?
@@preciscoprecisco4275 Or not to heavy, that is the question. ; )
@@karthik.sridhar Yeah I know. Don't know about the 17" rear either. Still feel its the best choice out of the three.
Slap on tubeless, a 18" rear, and strip the electronics (the menus and modes bullshit) and I would be a happy motocamper.
The Transalp looks like a show pony to me & the Suzuki seems the best all rounder overall on paper out of the three. However the weight could be an issue but you can't ride a spec sheet & it will depend how the weight is distributed & how it feels in real life. I also don't see the Transalps peak power as an advantage for an off road bike either. Surely the Suzuki's higher torque is a better engine characteristic for a bike with real off road aspirations. Plus the bolt on subframe & fully adjustable suspension on the V-Strom have the Transalp beaten all day long off road you would think. Although I guess only a group test & a demo rides will see for sure.
the cp2 in the T7 has been rated as the most reliable engine in the last 10 years. Tried and tested. The other 2 new parallel twins still need to prove themselves worthy. 3 years down the line, could be a fair fight. For now, id take the T7 as it is the proper riders' machine with no gimmicks, aids or any other bollocks.
It would be interesting if you also compared these bikes to the Aprilia Tuareg 660 that has cruise control (none of these have it) and tubeless tires. Yes it's a bit more expensive but I'd bet it's one peoples lists who are looking at these.
The features of the Aprilia are certainly attractive, but the nearest Aprilia dealer to me is at least 1200km away, so I wouldn't even consider it as an option.
It’s an absurd exclusion but Honda probably does it as a pain point in order to make the Africa Twin more appealing. Suzuki, the Vstrom 1000.
Another thing they’d be looking at is reliability. And if you look it up, the Tuareg has been leaking oil.
Regardless of points, Yamaha is only true off road capable and other two is road bikes. So if you are looking at off road, other two is not an option
Enjoyed the comparison. I own a V-Strom 650 model as my current ADV bike so am a little biased, even though I've always been partial to Hondas and their reliable, un-killable nature. That said, V-Strom is bulletproof and versatile. Will be interesting to see if that same reliability on V-Strom will stand the test of time with the parallel twin over the V-Twin. I'd own any of the bikes rated, but I would also want to compare them with the Africa Twin, the KTM Adventure and the Triumph Tiger. Not sure if the KTM or the Triumph offers the same reliability as the Japanese bikes, and I'm going to make a huge assumption that the Aprila is going to be expensive to maintain and maybe not as reliable. Only other thing I'd say is these bikes all offer different levels of capability. I'd take the Tenere if I was doing more off road, but I'd take the Suzuki if I was sticking mainly to tarmac. I think the Trans Alp is a bit ho-hum, but I haven't ridden one so I just don't know.
I'd have a V Strom 650 XT before they stop making them.
I'll say the new benchmark is the aprilia!
As a T7 killer, I would put my money on the Tuareg 660. (At least in Europe)
Haha nope
Tuareg sales are very poor in the UK with so many used T7s about now.
Suzuki has superior adjustable suspension, crash protection standard and a quickshifter as standard so has more tech and a better chassis. I think you need to do more research.
Styling should never be a category, anywhere. Due to the fact that’s it’s a personal choice that can’t be put into stats.
Mr.motobob...i read somewhere that ktm would be coming with a 690cc parallel twin platform in the near future...ditching the 490 cc parallel twin...and btw you missed the tuareg 660
I don't think Tuareg falls in this price bracket. It is more of a KTM, Husky and Tiger category.
@@tema_cph Think it depends where you are in the World.
Tuareg official price in UK is about the same as the others but can be got with substantial discounts.
Aprilia available for about £9000
Honda will be about £9900 I think.
seems Yamaha distribution issues are over and 2022 pre reg's are available for about £9k as well.
Suzuki about 10.6K
I took a Tenere for a test drive on the road and suspension was so hard that my coxix was sore for a couple of days after, but the handling was great. I got a africa twin in the end, DCT. 🤣
I owned a T7 (briefly). Suspension is not hard, it's just bad and poor quality. In fact it is too soft for any half decent offroad, and will bottom out easily. The fork is a pogo stick
@@sspirito3130 An upgrade kit from TEKNIK is a must. It's sad that Yamaha haven't put a fully sorted suspension package on the T7. C'mon Yamaha, you can do it, ya hear me?
Old mt07 cost 6800 euros in 2019. Crazy increase in price.I will NEVER EVER buy a brand new bike.
I can't wait till I can ride that new Transalp myself
Nah Bob, you got it all wrong on this one. The Suzuki has done its homework here, with fully adjustable suspension, longer touring range, better ground clearance and suspension travel and things like bashplate standard. The Transalp has none of these things - not even a bashplate standard. While the engine in the Transalp might be a peach, it is tuned to deliver more power higher up in the rev range and less torque - exactly what you don't want off-road. For me the Suzuki comes out on top! And the Tenere....well its a Tenere!!
T7 still the best. Unless you’re a pavement princess, then the other two are ok.
Amen bro
Spot on
I like the look of the Suzuki & Honda
None has cruise control which is bizarre!
Honda??? Suzuki???? Tks but no... Yamaha still the best option, at least here in Brazil...
Good point Alberto. Dealer support, aftermarket accessories/spares give the thumbs up to Yamaha. Same here in Australia.
Does anyone know, will the Transalp also come with cruise control?
Genau das kommt heraus, wenn jemand der noch nie mit den Modellen gefahren ist sich seine Meinung ausschließlich über Werksangaben bildet.
Was man aus diesem Video mitnehmen kann, dieser Herr mag Suzuki nicht!
Sieht man bei der Bewertung Chassis, Tech, Styling und Price.
A couple things; you left out the Aprilia Tuareg 660 which is the more off-road capable, more advanced Tenere competition and while looks are certainly subjective I have to respectfully disagree about the V-Strom over the Transalp. The V-Strom is one ugly bike 😅
Mmm ya missing 2023 ktm 790 adv 😮😮
Hopefully kawasaki joins the battle
the tenere has a slipper clutch for 2023 ...fact check please !
I wish it did, no mention on the Yam website
@@davidz8 it has the 2023 cp2 motor has a slipper clutch . it might not hi lighted ? but if there is a optional yamaha Q/S then its got a slipper clutch ... its been fitted to the r7 since release and now will be on the T7 / MT07 / R7
@@simonmallia2051 Good to know, thank you.
@@davidz8 your more than welcome
@Simon Mallia why dose the T7 need a slipper clutch?
You still haven't told us how much Honda is paying you for advertising 😇😇😇
Doesn't the VStrom come standard with quick shifter? Thought I read that somewhere.
Re: Torque
700+ cc at 6000+ rpm torque values are pretty much meaningless in an off road situation.
This is where low RPM torque provides the ride-ability in more tricky situations. In fact torque at idle & just above can be most important. IMHO , YMMV
You're so right. It all depends what you need. For offroading, trials Tenere is the best choice, no mapping or suspension settings, just ride it. if you are more a traveller side with a bit offroad, Suzuki and Honda is the way to go.
I would imagine gear ratio's will be important as well, you don't want a high 1st gear off road, and by contrast, a low 1st is a pain on the road.
The V-storm seems to be the most versatile bike for touring, 2 up, and off road. At least on paper and To me that is what wins in the ADV segment. The Honda looks and reads great on paper and built to a budget. The T7 is great for what it is but now there competition in the segment. I’m not as picky on the ADV bikes when it comes to looks, though the Honda looks the best IMO. A more tractable engine and power and is more important to me than a peaky high HP power band. And it just appears that Suzuki is able to deliver the complete package with all the accessories with its top of the line model .
I think the v-storm is a bit underscored.I would take it or the Yamaha
I currently ride a V-Strom 1000, and would seriously consider buying the new V-Strom 800, BUT not as long as it's got tube-type tires. I just wouldn't want to deal with taking the tire off the rim every time I had a puncture, and I like the way tubeless tires tend to get a slow leak when punctured rather than a blow-out.
Yeah until you do more than get a screw in it. Here in Aus, off road you need tubes. Good luck fixing a side wall or a slice puncture on you’re tubeless tyre. Even when we rode super tenere’s we carried tubes.
@@whomcares3438 You mean you can put a tube in a tubeless tire? What a concept.
Problem solved, and everyone's happy.
Tube type tires are a cost cutting measure, nothing more.
@@lcdubs7847 you clearly never been more than a tankful or fuel on a dirt road from help🤣. Tubeless tyres are great. Just not for every application. Fitting a tube to a tubeless set up takes some work too.
@@whomcares3438 Of course they are not for every application. They are, however, perfectly suited to Adventure bikes. You know, like the V-Strom.
Styling is #1 for me, followed by reliability and cost of ownership.
I test seated a couple of bikes during EICMA 2022 in Cologne and I recognised, I don't fit on every bike, even when I like them and they look great. My advice: take a seat and than start to create your own short list for a test ride 💙💛🏁🤛🏼
As my only bike, I would get the T7 easy. As complement to my DR650... Give me the VStrom.
Honda looks dated to me and budget, prefer the other 2.
Sensible people will go for the Transalp. Posers will go for the Tenere, and those who want to be different, will go for the Suzuki. Just joking, but some truth there.
True
Great review! In the future, because those bikes as so "similar" you could add comparative data such as: insurance classe (i.e., for me the Suzuki will be one class up compared to the other one because of its engine CC), manufacturer warranty (sometime Suzuki offers like 5 years etc.). Cheers!
Good point. One important aspect for me is dealer support (ie how many dealers in my region, do they carry spares, do they care about their customers, will they keep doing all that up in years to come).
I’m disappointed in both tbh , I’ll still be looking at a Tenere next.
These bikes are supposed to be off-road capable, not just dirt road capable. Only one of these is, T7. Do Honda and Suzuki really belong to that category?
I drive a 2008. Transalp 700, and I'm buying a new one. No Suzuki, no Aprilia, no .... I need a bike that goes on, and on, and on ...
This is a total new engine for honda. how do you know that it is going to last forever , suzuki also made extremely reliable engines but this is a new one for them too.
@@silotx It's a Honda.
I love my Hondas over the years but have owned a few Zuk's too and they have been long term bullet proof, great bikes and great running engines.
@@dubravkojanusic6996 i had 7 different Honda bikes the it's a Honda slogan is stupid , the very first Honda bikes had a ton of problems then they became bulletproof then they started cutting corners and i have had problems with my last 2 bikes and recalls "not the engine" in peripherals, electronics , software , and lower cc Honda bikes and scooters are not even made in Japan but in Thailand and have severely lower quality that is not worth the price tag imo apart from the solid engine.
The engine will probably last for many years but everything else can very well crumble long before that.
@@silotx Maybe it's not the bikes. 😉
Wouldn't really rank any of them until they're ridden head-to-head. Have to see how all of their features and dimensions work together. And the longer you're able to have them, the better. Especially these days, more riding time reveals more of what the engineers and designers intended.
Ditto!
Waste of time reviewing bikes they never rode.
@@jimperry4420 Isn't that the truth!! These paper battles mean little or nothing if the designs dont "gel".
Tenere over the other two, not even in the same league, and which order the other two are in becomes irrelevant.
Honda first, then the Yamaha then the Suzuki. Would love to own any of them.
T7 has Throttle problem, feels too heavy even is lighter from Transalp, terrible seat, 20hp less and gets rusty at some places after a year. 800DE with 22 kg plus is out immediately. If someone wants a moto with 80/20 orientation and to forget about visiting service except oil change etc for many-many years only Transalp 750.
Great comparison Bob!! It’s always Tenere for me. Nothing beats the handling and simplicity.
The tenere is basicaly a larger enduro dirt bike, 2 others r just a adventure bike, ill go for tenere, more rugged looks and maneuverability
Yes it’s more fitted for its purpose than Honda and sus Suzuki
Price for the Transalp is already released in Europe, it'll probably be £10.499 in the UK...yes, getting ripped off once again, there's not £2500 between the Hornet and the 8S to their ADV sisters ! KTM 890 ADV old model for under £9k,what to buy until the bugs are rattled out of these new models, and accessories are available, Hessler have the 800DE looking good already, the primary reason to buy a Suzuki,the specialist builders for that brand that Honda doesn't have!
In germany the dealers offer it for 10500 to 10800, but in euros!
T7 because it’s more off road capable out of the box, it looks the biz and for me, less is more in terms of tech
Apparently you can feel that the honda is built on a budget. A bit cheaper plastics etc. Atleast the hornet and the Suzuki got a better bump in the quality department.
None of them will ever come Anywhere near the tenere . Thee both road bikes with bigger wheels 😂
How can you possibly determine that T7 engine is the less torquey? max torque peak could be misleading, and I would wait for a proper test ride comparison before expressing assessment.
And why people always forgot the Aprilia Tuareg? It's by far the best bike in the segment...
Suzuki's cross balancer shaft makes it the top choice for me for 2-up riding and overall creature comforts.
I think all are good bikes and the best one is the one that matches your road/off-road bias. So considering T7 > V-Strom > Transalp , from the most off-road to the most road oriented bike, just pick the one for you.
no, T7 has better torque then Transalp. Electronics silly features are pointless on adv bikes. For me Transalp falls to last place in comparison.
Tenere is the first the most durable more qualitydurable mechanics and the best for me.
Got the Tenere, and love it. But would be happy with any of these bikes.
Another thing that I consider important is an interval between services. Suzuki bikes often have it shorter than others.
Indeed a very important factor, esp valve clearance is quite a lot of work, by the way my suzuki v strom 650 has an oil 8ntervall of 12000 km in central europe at least…
MOTOBOB,
😆it is clear and evident that you are sponsored by Honda
Love the simplicity of the T7, not a big fan of all these bells and whistles personally... Would make a nice tourer which is what these (adventure) bikes basically are.
The Transalp is a road bike primarily, with off-road capability. But don't hope too much. The Yamaha T7 is a trail bike. Two different markets.
No 200+KG bike is a trail bike. Yes it’s the closest of the three but on single track and technical riding, low weight is king.
@@SimonBrisbane Depends on the pilot. You can do a lot on the T7, even loaded. Check on TH-cam for Kap2Cap with Lolo Cochet and his African adventures. You will be surprised. :-)
For me it's the V-Strom. The Honda is nice, but I like the looks of the Suzuki more. It also a steel frame.
Between these three? It’s an easy pick:
- either the Aprilia TUAREG 660 or the KTM 790 Adventure 2023 !
🤣🤣🤣😜💪🏼😎🇵🇹👍🏼
3 new ADV models from the 3 largest Japanese motorcycle manufacturers, and all of them are missing critical features for an adventure machine such as tubeless wheels and cruise control.
Don't have to re-invent the whell, just copy it from Aprilia :-)
I like the Honda for the tech and Honda's legendary reliability. But, the Tenere is such a well proven platform - the choices keep getting harder and harder...price will make a difference - or will it? Nod to the Yamaha on the style front though. It is going to probably come down to a showdown off road to see if either of the Suzuki or Honda can hold a candle to the Tenere. That high countershaft position gives it such great forward thrust off road, I wonder if the others will be able to keep up - especially on long, loose uphill sections. The Honda appears to have very street oriented tires on it . Will it go off road?
Aprilia Tuareg!
I've been expecting a video on this from you, roads tests have been landing on TH-cam already, though from the Philippines
It won't be long til we ride the Transalp - beginning of March. Really looking forward to it!
@@motobob brmm brmmm, bruummmm bruummmm!
The Transalp... if you can get one!
I love the look of the tenere but they haven't stocked one anywhere near me and I have a great relationship with my Honda dealer so I'll be sitting on a transalp as soon as they get one in the showroom. I couldn't care less about all the tech it just adds to the price. The vstrom looks pretty good but I'll never 2up on an adventure bike anyway. I also like that Hondas dealer network is so big, I have 6 dealerships within 100 miles of my house.
Transalp unfortunately looks cheap
As someone in the market for one of these I'm leaning towards the Honda ... the weight, power and features are all great and the price should be around £9,300 ish in the UK (it's now been revealed to be 10,500 / 10,600 Euros in some European countries from what I've seen in other videos online today) which is extremely competitive and undercuts the Suzuki considerably. My riding is predominantly road biased though ... I certainly can see the Suzuki being the more attractive option for off road enthusiasts with its longer travel fully adjustable suspension and bolt on subframe. End of the day the proof will be in the pudding ... it's going to be interesting trying each one out and seeing how they taste out on the road 🙂
You forgot to say that the quickshifter is standard on the Suzuki.
While it is not on these two models.
The Transalp is a bike without emotion and soul.
While the Suzuki is a hit in my opinion. That's why I already ordered the Suzuki. And I can't wait to drive it in April 💥 🏍💥
On what do you base your claim about the Honda?
watch the MSN review of the Transalp - your very wrong.
Weight is a fictional argument until you put them on a set of scales. If you're using manufacturers quoted figures, they're wrong. Deliberately. Same with power and torque. It's all pie in the sky "crank" numbers (obtained from a one off motor specially built and prepped, not a random off the production line test) until they are strapped to a dyno. Spec sheet shopping is literally pointless with the constant lies the manufacturers publish as specs. I suspect no motorcycling journos weigh bikes and dyno run them as part of routine testing because the manufacturers don't make bikes available to them next time. Imagine a world where we verified the claims made by manufacturers using quantitative means...wouldn't that be something. Instead of turning up to a boozy mountain resort release and being handed a memory stick with a press release pack all prewritten and spell checked (read multiple articles on one bike and you'll see the quotes from the manufacturers web site release blurb, the really conscientious journos paraphrase, the rest just copy/paste), knocking out the script for the youtube video while watching the girlies at the pool bar. While that may not apply to Bob...it certainly fits the majority of them. How about you do some quantitative testing Bob? Set the bar.
Have you watched a Cycle World review? Full dyno......
@@philipdarnall787 so do they weigh them as well, or do you have selective eyesight? It was ONE aspect of the comment. The same as the dyno is ONE aspect of an accurate review.
This is nothing but BS talk. More often than not specs on paper don’5 equal actual riding experience.
So I’ll just say that for me, the T7 looks the best. Followed by the V-Strom, and lastly the Transalp. Which to me looks boring.
As a world traveler I prefer the simplicity of the T7. Other bikes can barely beat it, but they rely on electronics to do so. That says a lot about the T7. The way I see it, the best bike for real adventure riding, is the bike with the least about of electronics. If your bike breaks down in the middle of a third world country, good luck finding someone who has the tech know how and specialized tools needed to trouble shoot all the fancy electronics. And finding parts, well, good luck with that too.
The other point that mo one makes is that all the extra power the other bikes make over the T7 is nice and all, but once you go off roading, the traction control lowers the power delivered to the rear, there goes all that horsepower. Specially while going uphill. Many expected a more powerful engine in the World Raid, but Yamaha kept the HP the same, exactly for the reason to help with traction.
But which one is really the best bike? None of the three, and all three. For the simple fact that there is not such thing as a perfect or best bike for anything. Because at the end which is the perfect bike can only be determined by the buyer. What is the perfect bike for me may not be the perfect bike for you. For me the T7 is the best adventure bike there is, period. With the T7 I am the computer controlling every aspect of the bike. And if you have that type of skills then the T7 will give you what you sk with no complaining. Just gets it done. But for others, it is the worst because they need computers helping them be safer and better riders. Nothing wrong with that. To each their own. Some people are very skillful controlling a manual bike, and some are very skillful at riding electronically controlled suspension and traction bike. Different skills, same outcome.
Next moves is journalist to presented this bike for all och Ach. Engine is from hornet 750... People's all time asking where is transalp all 5 year then honda says if people's want we made it from warehouse part's......
T7 is the top one.
i have the 2024 Transalp and my god it is a good bike. i absolutely love it. But i wish it looked like Tenere. i love the looks of that bike so much.
The Suzi weighs the same as an Africa Twin so possibly a better comparison with cost and performance.
The suzuki will sell better because it's here in the USA and the Honda is not and won't be until 2024 if at all.. come on Honda get with it!!!@
just wish the Transalp looked better, like the Hornet its looks let it down massively, how can Honda have the Africa Twin, one of the best looking bikes around, and then make the Transalp look so bad, on paper for me personally it would be the better bike being more road focused, but it just looks awful and cheap
Vstrom is the only one with quick shifter as standard and the only one with fully adjustable suspension. And Has the best range .and out of the three the best display .
Wooow next psychological techniques professional video nice advertising and professional drivers presented next useless bike
The score table is totally wrong -based on video is clearly visible that only tenere did the enduro style driving -jumping and easy offroad wheelie...
My choice: Honda Transalp! Thanks for sharing.
This is a comparison of three motorcycles, that two of them you haven't ridden yet. So how can you score them ???
These journalists always talk peak power and never look at the whole power line figures, when engineers are making engine always look at the whole range of revs …
Awesome video again MotoBob keep up the good work for me it will come down to the price of the trans Alp if it’s under 10 grand you gotta go for it I think 😊
you can see right away that you are sitting in the pocket of a Honda ! I'd like people to say what they think, not what they're paid for .
T7 is the answer.
What about the Aprilia Tuareg 660 ?
Ew.
Missing the Tuareg and the 790 😀
And don't forget the CFMoto offering.
had tenere for one season, sold it after that, blue rally with all the accesories, garmin nav etc. Sold it. I simply could not stand the wind buffeting i was getting while riding, no matter which helmet, what type of screen, nothing worked. And top heavy beast, to pick it up it was a challange, looking for ktm 890r next
You should have included the aprilia tuareg.
And that’s #1.
The Suzuki should be a DR since it's not a V at all!!!
Thing is we do not know when the transalp will be be available in Canada.
I'm about to buy my First Bick...
I'm looking for adventure motorcycle...for long long destinations in Asia, Africa, North America....I'm planning to get my Training course soon...
So Please what you Guys from your Experiences suggesting...yamaha , v-strom , Translap 750 or BMW?
Thanks alot for all the Advices 🙏🏻🙂
Well.. to be honest I have to say that this is a nice example of making videos just to close a to do list ✅..
Some MOTOBOB videos are pretty good with useful information and unbiased opinions.. and this is not the case!
First, you haven't ridden two of them, then there's facts.. T7 also have slipper clutch (23 model), and where's the Aprilia and KTM??
But that's a funny Honda commercial 😊
Aprilia Tuareg 660 as T7 killer??
Haha nope
Absolutely in every aspects. Only quastion is reliability? It takes time….
Tenere 7 days a week and twice on a Sunday
the v strom with it´s bold on rear frame, 270 degree twin, longer travel. more fuel, perfect motor for touring which makes better usable power then the honda. the suzuki is the best if you want a true adventure bike wich of course are most ridden on pavement. also the looks i thing ist the best on the suzi. of course if you realy want to ride offrad alot, but i would then the yamaha. but in reality these bikes are ridden in every day riding cause thery handel very good and you see a lot cause of high and upright riding poition so these bikes are mostly used for just every day riding with also capabilites for longer trips. so you don´t need 3 diverent bikes in your already cramped garage space.
I think both Suzuki and Honda missed two important things. Cruise Control and Android Auto Apple Carplay. Those bespoke connectivity apps är shite!