really appreciate the conversation about influences vs biting. i think it's always good when people try to sound like themselves. The pressure of industry probably adds more to this, but I think people can usually hear authenticity.
@duhduhduhdiesel1436 The garage rock scene in the US was exactly the same back in the day. Everyone was making it in their garage and most people sounded the same. Because certain music survives time all the similar and badly sounding ones are forgotten but what happens now is visible to all to see, leading people to believe it was different in the past when in fact it’s the same now as it was then.
Great video man. I met Mike a few times before Mk.gee really took off when I lived in East LA with roommates from USC. at a certain point, he must have dialed in a very specific guitar tone and creative choices (with Dijon too) to really make something special. also laughing at the "Hadji you suck" text during the sponsorship break😭
My dad’s a pastor and put me on to a Christian artist Phil Keaggy who reminds me a lot of MkGee with the guitar tones (the song “let everything else go” being a perfect example), I don’t know if Mkgee heard of him but that was who he reminded me of immediately… im too tapped in to irrelevant things 😂
@@3129021jc anything from his record “town to town” if you like the spaced out pedal stuff, if you like Zappa jam type stuff check out his band “2nd chapter of Acts”
i havent heard of mk.gee before but you are spot on with everything, everyone is inspired by their favorite music but you still got to be yourself if you want to be happy with your own music
listening to two star album and damn this is really incredible. if yall like this you should check out Jam City, reminds me of them a little bit (the album Pillowland by them specifically)
Interesting video. Your contents great. Love the perspective. Honestly, I was a bit high last night so I forget everything but I do think it’s an interesting callout you’re making. IMO, on one hand, the pursuit to sound like your favorite artist is fine. There’s a John Mayer quote out there where he mentions his pursuit of trying to sound like his favorites, are why he is who he is. So realisitically, all could say the same with mk.gee. It’s really interesting stuff, makes sense this big following wave or sound chasers. But where I do think people get it wrong is in that pursuit of chasing a sound. Mkgee says himself, that he’s ripped drums from the 70s. He’s extremely prince coded, has some Michael flair , his guitar licks have neo soul elements and also Hendrix and Santana. And I’m here for it all. And for that reason I’m all for the people that chase mike. What I’m not for is this I need a tascam 424, or “this is what his guitar sounds like” because that’s the completely wrong chase. Also no idea what a mike tone is like some people are saying. Hes got 12 songs on that album and the tone is different on every one haha. People wrongly think a chorused out guitar is mike. Nah that’s 80s. I think if you really want to study Mike, it comes from his influences and how creative he is. We all have a different base set of influences that have influenced us to this point. Mines similar to Mike, but it’s also different, therefore I hear different, therefore I creatively output different, therefore I will never be him. But understanding why he sounds the way he sounds and his influences, is 1000% worth studying, attempting, and thinking about out when possible. Also, chances are by the time people actually can truly replicate anything like Mike, mikes gonna be onto the next thing. So people miss the point completely. It’s not about sounding like him. But def use him as a puzzle piece , maybe a really big puzzle piece, to influence yourself. Hes connected to a lot of other pieces
I just wanted to add to this as someone who’s found a lot of inspiration in what Mike and Dijon do. I think their sound is resonating in a particular way because it feels attainable. Lately, in the guitar world, it seems like you fall into one of two camps: you either play a million notes per minute on Instagram reels with a Telecaster-style guitar plugged into a Fender-voiced cab sim, or you do the same thing but with a crazy custom 7-string. Growing up, I didn’t really have any guitar heroes, and now as an adult, I feel it even more because it’s hard to emulate someone like Tosin Abasi, for example. But Mike’s sound feels achievable while still being technical, with a strong emphasis on dynamics. I think it’s crucial to take what you learn from your heroes and put your own spin on it, just like Mike is taking late-era Phil Collins and filtering it through his own style. Just my two cents!
@@hadjitube yeah thx! Seeing this video has helped alot in opening my eyes to try and search for my sound. I still think its going to be like this "experimenral ambient alt indie" thing but I'll make sure to find more ways to make it original.
the issue is that a lot of those TikTok artists try to copy and steal from others. Sorry I don't want to listen to some Deftones copy, I prefer to listen to the original. They don't know the fine line of getting inspired, and doing your own things versus straight up copying. not to be mean but especially the younger generations are doing that
for sure, i dont think its mean to point it out, but its true when its younger artists they will hopefully see that theyre doing it and outgrow it in due time. plenty of artists who are now great and unique started out emulating someone, a side effect of today's social media world is we see all these artists at step 1 now
@@hadjitube hahaha for real.. Dijon and mkgee helped me to find musical vocabulary I didn’t know existed. Gonna take what I learnt and do it my way bringing this sound to Asia 😤
Crazy, I saw your OG mk.gee video, but didn't realize it was you when you asked me if I make music. Great stuff man! I did have a couple of thoughts, but know I enjoyed the videos I have watched so far of yours first and foremost. - For the survey, I think one factor to consider is the question itself, "Do you make music?", this is not a 1:1 of being a musician or asking someone that question, per say. Mainly, people may have A LOT of ways to define both "make music" and "musician". Especially in NYC, you can have gig musicians who do not compose, but will take orchestra gigs or do cover songs. Do I think they make music? For sure. Do you? It seemed like you wanted to encourage people to not be ashamed or downplay what they do (which I appreciate!), so I think so. Does everyone think that? Probably not. I mainly say this to say that could have affected the data. Also, you know NYC...people want to be left alone and will give the 'easiest' response. I also think if ya do something like this again, consider maybe asking inside the venue as people come in for a more 'random sample'. As I know for me, I got there at 5:00 PM and I think I was probably #50 of people you asked, so combo of bug fans/had the freetime to chill. - I think there is a point to discourage people trying too hard to replicate someone's success and trend follow. However, I do think this can be part of the creative process as well. I know mk.gee may disagree based on his statements, but I do think there is value in trying to replicate what someone is doing and to make it your own. I know for me, trying to replicate his sound has taught me a lot for music production and even helped me appreciate more nuances about how to achieve it. I think the latter part can help to go outside the Two Star & Dream Police style, but its a process. I think there is a point that trying to recreate it to get the same success/renown is problematic, but there is a value long term in wanting to replicate the sound imho....I do say this as someone guilty of this and I am sure not everyone agrees with me XD
agree with everything u said! honestly i freestyled that whole thing, i almost flaked bc of the weather / was tired and having a bad day so i didnt even rly plan that out too deeply haha. will def improve next time and maybe film it
@@hadjitube hey, no worries at all, and again, I think it was a fun thing you did! I was debating on adding this, because I’m not really all that knowledgeable about it and it has a vibe, but I studied Economics in college and I love the studies logistics. Also, I feel that, I was 50/50 if he’d be able to play that day XD
@@hadjitube haha people have their opinions for sure. When you see a dude do this for years, it’s hard to deny. I didn’t resonate with his earlier stuff. You check out hotel Diablo? Tickets to my downfall and Mainstream sellout have very solid rock production.
I had to force myself to learn not feel down by new artists that are impressive anymore. I say "nice" and move on. It sounds pretentious and like a cope but I'd rather make my own sound that makes me happy and feel expressive as opposed to be a walmart version of my favorite new artist. There's too much over influenced noise floating in the ether and almost everyone would rather listen to the artist who's sound you stole anyways.
Tbh I do not get the hype around mk.gee and I wish I did. the songwriting and lyricism as well as guitar playing itself without the tone is not unique. The tone itself in my opinion sounds like shit and it’s been done before by guitarists like Adrian Belew. Dude has great vocals and can sell a great vocal performance, but it all sounds half baked to me. I guess I just don’t get it, doesn’t do anything for me emotionally or get me excited but I respect the talent. it’s honestly not that hard to make a mk.gee song when broken down. It’s all pretty formulaic and we treating him like the next jimi Hendrix or something. I respect every person here though and the contrary opinions, maybe put me on to something that will change my mind
i did mention beyonce! in the country section. that phenomenon ur describing feels like something different than what i wanted to talk about, although it’s a good topic and maybe worth another video to look at those relationships. i was thinking more about younger artists or people without an established fanbase and a long career yet, who get caught up in whatever’s hot when they’re trying to find their sound
@@hadjitube I missed that. Idk, I think more scrutiny should be on the vultures like Drake and Beyonce than young pups, but I can see how them implementing trends prevents careers from getting off the ground
@@duhduhduhdiesel1436 yea totally an understandable perspective, that goes both ways because some artists prob thrive off the spotlight, while others feel ripped off, honestly could be its own video
@@duhduhduhdiesel1436 a culture vulture is someone who takes from the culture for their own benefit without doing anything to give back to said culture . Drake isn’t a culture vulture because anytime he shines light on a culture that artist and said culture receive more shine and drake continues to collaborate with said artist and show love to the originators. i can understand beyonce being called a vulture tho ,l
@@iamtheone2000 lmao Drake is by definition a culture vulture. It is well documented that in many cases, the artist might get a minor bump and then fail to come out of the shadow of the Drake stimulus effect. That isn't even considering all the whitewashed dancehall he did, along with his fake accents/patois. I'm not engaging with this one further
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I love this!!
really appreciate the conversation about influences vs biting. i think it's always good when people try to sound like themselves. The pressure of industry probably adds more to this, but I think people can usually hear authenticity.
Trend hopping is no one’s fault. Everyone is desperate. But if your music sounds desperate it’s your fault.
hhaha this is well said
It's the fault of Tiktok brain
You should check out Willie Olivier before it’s too late
@duhduhduhdiesel1436 The garage rock scene in the US was exactly the same back in the day. Everyone was making it in their garage and most people sounded the same. Because certain music survives time all the similar and badly sounding ones are forgotten but what happens now is visible to all to see, leading people to believe it was different in the past when in fact it’s the same now as it was then.
@@hansmemling7605 good point
I’ve been bumping your music for a while and had no clue you were the dude’s videos I’ve been watching, I thought you were two different people LMAOOO
u should make a video about vegyn!! he’s made songs with mkgee and frank u probably know him
Good idea
Bro thank u for this. Such a gold channel
Great video man. I met Mike a few times before Mk.gee really took off when I lived in East LA with roommates from USC. at a certain point, he must have dialed in a very specific guitar tone and creative choices (with Dijon too) to really make something special. also laughing at the "Hadji you suck" text during the sponsorship break😭
This was very sweet. Quickly becoming one of my fav TH-camrs
You are gonna go far, you got that charismatic youtuber vibe
Hadji pointed directly at me and told me to believe in myself..... and now I do....and now I'm finally free
Great video, said a lot of stuff that I have felt and been processing myself in a really easy to get way.
Everything you said is so real
glad to see mkgees popularity rise , we’ve been making the same sounds. even sampled him in 2019
Mkgee make me pick my guitar up and cry
facts
Been watching for a bit and decided to check out ur music . I got “ boi” on repeat rn
My dad’s a pastor and put me on to a Christian artist Phil Keaggy who reminds me a lot of MkGee with the guitar tones (the song “let everything else go” being a perfect example), I don’t know if Mkgee heard of him but that was who he reminded me of immediately… im too tapped in to irrelevant things 😂
This is so real!! Phil Keaggy is so fire! He definitely has a similar approach to guitar as mk gee. Super cool comment to see under this video.
@@levipatton93 I’m stoked someone else knows who Phil Keaggy is 😂
Any songs you guys recommend? Kinda curious now lol
yoooo Phil! I loved him as a kid.
@@3129021jc anything from his record “town to town” if you like the spaced out pedal stuff, if you like Zappa jam type stuff check out his band “2nd chapter of Acts”
Got me to listen to Mk.gee - thanks!
He a fan he a fan he a fan 🕺🏾1:51
i havent heard of mk.gee before but you are spot on with everything, everyone is inspired by their favorite music but you still got to be yourself if you want to be happy with your own music
listening to two star album and damn this is really incredible. if yall like this you should check out Jam City, reminds me of them a little bit (the album Pillowland by them specifically)
Keep doing your thing man
I’m Just A Fan ~ Teezo Touchdown
He's Big Mike right? He was on Dijons album absolutely?
yep!
Interesting video. Your contents great. Love the perspective. Honestly, I was a bit high last night so I forget everything but I do think it’s an interesting callout you’re making. IMO, on one hand, the pursuit to sound like your favorite artist is fine. There’s a John Mayer quote out there where he mentions his pursuit of trying to sound like his favorites, are why he is who he is. So realisitically, all could say the same with mk.gee. It’s really interesting stuff, makes sense this big following wave or sound chasers. But where I do think people get it wrong is in that pursuit of chasing a sound. Mkgee says himself, that he’s ripped drums from the 70s. He’s extremely prince coded, has some Michael flair , his guitar licks have neo soul elements and also Hendrix and Santana. And I’m here for it all. And for that reason I’m all for the people that chase mike. What I’m not for is this I need a tascam 424, or “this is what his guitar sounds like” because that’s the completely wrong chase. Also no idea what a mike tone is like some people are saying. Hes got 12 songs on that album and the tone is different on every one haha. People wrongly think a chorused out guitar is mike. Nah that’s 80s. I think if you really want to study Mike, it comes from his influences and how creative he is. We all have a different base set of influences that have influenced us to this point. Mines similar to Mike, but it’s also different, therefore I hear different, therefore I creatively output different, therefore I will never be him. But understanding why he sounds the way he sounds and his influences, is 1000% worth studying, attempting, and thinking about out when possible. Also, chances are by the time people actually can truly replicate anything like Mike, mikes gonna be onto the next thing. So people miss the point completely. It’s not about sounding like him. But def use him as a puzzle piece , maybe a really big puzzle piece, to influence yourself. Hes connected to a lot of other pieces
100%!!!
Mk.gee didn’t invent baritone tuning. Today in this essay I will
hahah no doubt hes just inspiring a lot of people rn
I just wanted to add to this as someone who’s found a lot of inspiration in what Mike and Dijon do. I think their sound is resonating in a particular way because it feels attainable. Lately, in the guitar world, it seems like you fall into one of two camps: you either play a million notes per minute on Instagram reels with a Telecaster-style guitar plugged into a Fender-voiced cab sim, or you do the same thing but with a crazy custom 7-string. Growing up, I didn’t really have any guitar heroes, and now as an adult, I feel it even more because it’s hard to emulate someone like Tosin Abasi, for example. But Mike’s sound feels achievable while still being technical, with a strong emphasis on dynamics. I think it’s crucial to take what you learn from your heroes and put your own spin on it, just like Mike is taking late-era Phil Collins and filtering it through his own style. Just my two cents!
@@tigersteffi thats a rly good point!
ngl bro I'm definitley one of those ppl, the song I'm working on is basically js "Noah's Highlight Reel" from walmart 😭
lmaoo u will find ur own style! just freak it a little
@@hadjitube yeah thx! Seeing this video has helped alot in opening my eyes to try and search for my sound. I still think its going to be like this "experimenral ambient alt indie" thing but I'll make sure to find more ways to make it original.
@@LukeZeppelin sounds sick, and theres a lot of different ways that can go!
the issue is that a lot of those TikTok artists try to copy and steal from others. Sorry I don't want to listen to some Deftones copy, I prefer to listen to the original. They don't know the fine line of getting inspired, and doing your own things versus straight up copying. not to be mean but especially the younger generations are doing that
for sure, i dont think its mean to point it out, but its true when its younger artists they will hopefully see that theyre doing it and outgrow it in due time. plenty of artists who are now great and unique started out emulating someone, a side effect of today's social media world is we see all these artists at step 1 now
I’m a Mk.gooner
I customised my guitar to a baritone and bought a Tascam 4 track tape recorder because of this man. am I cooked?
hahah no its still gonna be what you do with it at the end of the day!
@@hadjitube hahaha for real.. Dijon and mkgee helped me to find musical vocabulary I didn’t know existed. Gonna take what I learnt and do it my way bringing this sound to Asia 😤
bro u need to hear new leon thomas he got melodies for days
im halfway thru the album super fire. hes sick
Crazy, I saw your OG mk.gee video, but didn't realize it was you when you asked me if I make music. Great stuff man! I did have a couple of thoughts, but know I enjoyed the videos I have watched so far of yours first and foremost.
- For the survey, I think one factor to consider is the question itself, "Do you make music?", this is not a 1:1 of being a musician or asking someone that question, per say. Mainly, people may have A LOT of ways to define both "make music" and "musician". Especially in NYC, you can have gig musicians who do not compose, but will take orchestra gigs or do cover songs. Do I think they make music? For sure. Do you? It seemed like you wanted to encourage people to not be ashamed or downplay what they do (which I appreciate!), so I think so. Does everyone think that? Probably not. I mainly say this to say that could have affected the data. Also, you know NYC...people want to be left alone and will give the 'easiest' response. I also think if ya do something like this again, consider maybe asking inside the venue as people come in for a more 'random sample'. As I know for me, I got there at 5:00 PM and I think I was probably #50 of people you asked, so combo of bug fans/had the freetime to chill.
- I think there is a point to discourage people trying too hard to replicate someone's success and trend follow. However, I do think this can be part of the creative process as well. I know mk.gee may disagree based on his statements, but I do think there is value in trying to replicate what someone is doing and to make it your own. I know for me, trying to replicate his sound has taught me a lot for music production and even helped me appreciate more nuances about how to achieve it. I think the latter part can help to go outside the Two Star & Dream Police style, but its a process. I think there is a point that trying to recreate it to get the same success/renown is problematic, but there is a value long term in wanting to replicate the sound imho....I do say this as someone guilty of this and I am sure not everyone agrees with me XD
agree with everything u said! honestly i freestyled that whole thing, i almost flaked bc of the weather / was tired and having a bad day so i didnt even rly plan that out too deeply haha. will def improve next time and maybe film it
@@hadjitube hey, no worries at all, and again, I think it was a fun thing you did! I was debating on adding this, because I’m not really all that knowledgeable about it and it has a vibe, but I studied Economics in college and I love the studies logistics.
Also, I feel that, I was 50/50 if he’d be able to play that day XD
You are really so well spoken man you present all of your thoughts in such an engaging way, keep up the great work 🫶🏼
tracey brakes mentioned
Dang I’ve had a baritone 🥲
i saw him live 🙏🙏🙏🙏
🔥🔥
real
Make a video about you
Because you’re really good
Mgk revived pop punk but also rock for a whole different generation. I like that you touched on that, he doesn’t get enough credit though
yea a lot of people dont like mgk as a person or a rapper but i didnt think his pop punk stuff was too bad!
@@hadjitube haha people have their opinions for sure. When you see a dude do this for years, it’s hard to deny. I didn’t resonate with his earlier stuff. You check out hotel Diablo? Tickets to my downfall and Mainstream sellout have very solid rock production.
You should do a video on brakence!
Bro what is that instrumental in the background
The first one
hadji gaviota (me) - i’m bored
I had to force myself to learn not feel down by new artists that are impressive anymore. I say "nice" and move on. It sounds pretentious and like a cope but I'd rather make my own sound that makes me happy and feel expressive as opposed to be a walmart version of my favorite new artist. There's too much over influenced noise floating in the ether and almost everyone would rather listen to the artist who's sound you stole anyways.
no that's not pretentious at all!!! this is the way!!! let's go
Greta Van Fleet
Greta Van Fleet gives me acid reflux.
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Tbh I do not get the hype around mk.gee and I wish I did. the songwriting and lyricism as well as guitar playing itself without the tone is not unique. The tone itself in my opinion sounds like shit and it’s been done before by guitarists like Adrian Belew. Dude has great vocals and can sell a great vocal performance, but it all sounds half baked to me. I guess I just don’t get it, doesn’t do anything for me emotionally or get me excited but I respect the talent. it’s honestly not that hard to make a mk.gee song when broken down. It’s all pretty formulaic and we treating him like the next jimi Hendrix or something. I respect every person here though and the contrary opinions, maybe put me on to something that will change my mind
I really wish you would stop going to shows during this ongoing pandemic
Why no mention of Drake or Beyonce, who constantly pander to trends and co-opt smaller artists when it's convenient to do so?
i did mention beyonce! in the country section. that phenomenon ur describing feels like something different than what i wanted to talk about, although it’s a good topic and maybe worth another video to look at those relationships. i was thinking more about younger artists or people without an established fanbase and a long career yet, who get caught up in whatever’s hot when they’re trying to find their sound
@@hadjitube I missed that. Idk, I think more scrutiny should be on the vultures like Drake and Beyonce than young pups, but I can see how them implementing trends prevents careers from getting off the ground
@@duhduhduhdiesel1436 yea totally an understandable perspective, that goes both ways because some artists prob thrive off the spotlight, while others feel ripped off, honestly could be its own video
@@duhduhduhdiesel1436 a culture vulture is someone who takes from the culture for their own benefit without doing anything to give back to said culture .
Drake isn’t a culture vulture because anytime he shines light on a culture that artist and said culture receive more shine and drake continues to collaborate with said artist and show love to the originators.
i can understand beyonce being called a vulture tho ,l
@@iamtheone2000 lmao Drake is by definition a culture vulture. It is well documented that in many cases, the artist might get a minor bump and then fail to come out of the shadow of the Drake stimulus effect. That isn't even considering all the whitewashed dancehall he did, along with his fake accents/patois. I'm not engaging with this one further
for the love of jesus its MICK GEE NOT MUHGEE