What I find truly amazing is the sincere quest of the interviewer. Iain, of course, is a fine Jungian, meaning, a seeker of immediacy in parallel with the seeking of the numinous.
I found this discussion very helpful and insightful, thanks for sharing 👍🏻 My bookmarks: 20:35 religion and the psyche 23:18 meaning as essential to psychic health 38:30 individuality, ego independence and depression 46:01 on wholeness 46:50 ⭐ disconnection and dissociation 49:38 the self 53:09 relationship and the necessity of persona, and time spent without persona 55:15 ⭐ attitude, relationship with the unconscious, order and chaos, ego vs self 58:37 ⭐ ego fragility with polar thinking, ego identified with persona, repression/suppression 1:01:09 idea of the unconscious as God
There's a danger of romanticizing a past when people lived in extended families and small tightly-knit communities where everyone knew everyone else's business and most people were just like everyone else. Most moderns, especially those drawn to Jungian psychology and the inner world, would probably find that kind of social pressure to conform to be more stifling than supportive. Worse than coping with the risk of feelings of alienation that our more individualistic social structures entail.
2 nd time I've listened to this , I like exchanges that wrestle with the giant that is Jung , but not God . It now makes more sense this time around . Thanks again .
There are very few 'individuals' only disconnected programed consumer units, totally alienated from Self, trapped in a false sense of ego/personality, likely to identify with their social security number then any real sense of Self.
The farther you get down the rabbit hole the more you realize this. Thankfully times of crisis and upheaval brings a lot of the good up and those who know truth come forward as light for others. I've certainly found many more in the last year or so than ever before.
The problem with philosophy is it's all in the mind. It twists the living reality. The same with the outside world. A lot of knowledge can be learned but it's not immediate unlike in the inner world.
My only question is how? How can we build relations to the self, I have been writting my dreams for a year thought I found some patterns but I haven't found the bridge yet to communicate with the Self and bring it to my conscious ego. it's very difficult.
It can occur in the moment you completely give up. I'd describe myself as using more likely an scientific approach to topics/issues etc. - but with this one it was impossible. It's interesting to know about what Jung and other analyst's say about it, but it just happened to me - without even knowing what was happening. It was the moment I gave up and had no energy anymore to do anything. I just lied on the couch for entire 10 days and didn't know what to do with my life, there was no option anymore. And after ten days I gave up, I tried to still resist my circumstances these 10 days by lying around and sleeping. Then I gave up and I assumed I'd feel horrible, I assumed now comes something like the death in persona in my inner landscape. But it didn't. It appeared to me as an energy first, I suddenly felt again energy inside of me. One hour later I had an totally out-of-nowhere risky idea of how I could continue. But I knew somehow, that it would work. And it did. Later on I realized, that this unconscious is also bad at times, but I learned to communicate with it and negotiate in the beginning, later we quickly found solutions both could go along with and which were always combined to my values and ideals, which I wrote down. Nowadays it's more like a good friend or better to say good friends - there are many voices of the unconscious, which I sometimes just experience by a certain underlying emotion, which I realize 4 days later than it occurred. It's like living in peace when you can communicate and laugh together with "unconscious" parts. Sometimes when I've a bigger issue to decide I take a paper and write the conversation between me and the inside parts. It takes sometimes one or two hours, but I don't regret these decisions, because they are intact with my values. Maybe that helped you a bit. But I can imagine it's different from human to human.
@@Gandalf_the_quantum_G Wow. You sure have an interesting journey. Thanks for sharing your experience. I guess I should stop striving and let it work by itself, I think it is beyond our control it has its own heartbeats, time and space. I cannot force it. I just need to get myself prepared so when that time comes it manifest it will be understood, just your like experience. 🙏
@@youngtevanced8818 thanks for your reply. I guess your idea of not striving for it, is exactly what it is. I can just talk about my experience and that doesn't has to mean anything to other people's experiences. I recently was reading a book about Taoism and there I found exactly the same idea - by not wanting something, it will be possible to achieve. It is similar to what happened back then in this miserable state of mine: just when I gave up my ideas of my ego, how I could solve my life-situation (and I've had some unrealistic ideas about that), so when I didn't want anymore to solve it the way how I wanted it to solve and I was indifferent to the situation - just then I had an idea, that solved the situation in a total different way than I could not even have had imagined before. I realized that pattern later on repeatedly as well. Recently I wanted to earn more money and made a plan how to do that and it worked for a bit, my income increased, because I did work alot more. But somehow it made me not happy to work 70 hours per week - I continued for a time, because I thought, that my idea was good and realistic. I couldn't do it for more than 5 months and then I lied here again one Sunday at my birthday in my bed and thought "ah, I give a shit, I didn't laugh anymore for the last half a year and now I'm one year older. I don't mind this stupid money." It didn't happen anything for one month and I started again to look for new hobbies and sports. Well and then I got offered a better position - even though I worked not as engaged as before the month in between, but made again my jokes at work and was more balanced. Now I've a better position, which offers me way more income than before and now I don't even care about it anymore, because I came to the realization, that I've everything I need and always have had it. So I engage myself right now in supporting students with autism from my old university, which don't have any financial support, mostly also not a real family support and no chance to study otherwise (or at very challenging circumstances) and rent a flat really close to the university, put some useful furniture in it and supply this person with a monthly payment for food and whatever they want to do with it. That was quite a project, but it makes me feel really good. Specially cause I'm a late diagnosed asperger as well, which struggled immensely to go to college for financial and social support. I start to believe, that you shouldn't want anything really or strive for it - I use to just make it a goal for myself and see what happens. Sometimes nothing happens - then it's not made for me. Greetings from Germany and I wish a good evening :)
Is there any point in me seeing a jungian analyst for personal development if I'm not mentally ill or depressed? Is it likely to focus heavily on the past instead of planning for the future?
Jungian idea of the collective subconscious suggests that you, all of us,are a work in progress. Most, blindly ,March on. A good analyst can give directions. Clarify and help you read the map of life. A wave, one amongst millions of waves may look at them as competitors, compare,judge, feel superior or inferior etc....but on realising it’s essentially water(ocean) glides with grace and beauty.
A humble man, using simple down to earth language -talking about the deepest truths of life.
What I find truly amazing is the sincere quest of the interviewer. Iain, of course, is a fine Jungian, meaning, a seeker of immediacy in parallel with the seeking of the numinous.
I found this discussion very helpful and insightful, thanks for sharing 👍🏻
My bookmarks:
20:35 religion and the psyche
23:18 meaning as essential to psychic health
38:30 individuality, ego independence and depression
46:01 on wholeness
46:50 ⭐ disconnection and dissociation
49:38 the self
53:09 relationship and the necessity of persona, and time spent without persona
55:15 ⭐ attitude, relationship with the unconscious, order and chaos, ego vs self
58:37 ⭐ ego fragility with polar thinking, ego identified with persona, repression/suppression
1:01:09 idea of the unconscious as God
Thanks dear
"the shadow is everything that has not been lived that could be”
Thanks for sharing this amazing conversation.
A pleasure to absorb such refined perspectives of who we are :)
This is such a great conversation! Thank you!
Wonderful discussion, thank you!
Excellent.
There's a danger of romanticizing a past when people lived in extended families and small tightly-knit communities where everyone knew everyone else's business and most people were just like everyone else. Most moderns, especially those drawn to Jungian psychology and the inner world, would probably find that kind of social pressure to conform to be more stifling than supportive. Worse than coping with the risk of feelings of alienation that our more individualistic social structures entail.
This was a wonderful video. Ian really understands Jung...he is marvelous....Thanks for posting.
2 nd time I've listened to this , I like exchanges that wrestle with the giant that is Jung , but not God . It now makes more sense this time around . Thanks again .
So Individualized and So Lonely.
Thank you.
It sounds as though he says confronting the unconscious for those who are "blessed" or "cursed" depending. The elect.
There are very few 'individuals' only disconnected programed consumer units, totally alienated from Self, trapped in a false sense of ego/personality, likely to identify with their social security number then any real sense of Self.
The farther you get down the rabbit hole the more you realize this. Thankfully times of crisis and upheaval brings a lot of the good up and those who know truth come forward as light for others. I've certainly found many more in the last year or so than ever before.
Excellent!
This is extraordinary
A pleasant surprise.
Awesome....
Thank you!
The problem with philosophy is it's all in the mind. It twists the living reality. The same with the outside world. A lot of knowledge can be learned but it's not immediate unlike in the inner world.
Lol i bet you don't actually know exactly what you mean by what you wrote.
My only question is how? How can we build relations to the self, I have been writting my dreams for a year thought I found some patterns but I haven't found the bridge yet to communicate with the Self and bring it to my conscious ego. it's very difficult.
It can occur in the moment you completely give up.
I'd describe myself as using more likely an scientific approach to topics/issues etc. - but with this one it was impossible. It's interesting to know about what Jung and other analyst's say about it, but it just happened to me - without even knowing what was happening.
It was the moment I gave up and had no energy anymore to do anything. I just lied on the couch for entire 10 days and didn't know what to do with my life, there was no option anymore. And after ten days I gave up, I tried to still resist my circumstances these 10 days by lying around and sleeping.
Then I gave up and I assumed I'd feel horrible, I assumed now comes something like the death in persona in my inner landscape.
But it didn't. It appeared to me as an energy first, I suddenly felt again energy inside of me.
One hour later I had an totally out-of-nowhere risky idea of how I could continue. But I knew somehow, that it would work.
And it did. Later on I realized, that this unconscious is also bad at times, but I learned to communicate with it and negotiate in the beginning, later we quickly found solutions both could go along with and which were always combined to my values and ideals, which I wrote down. Nowadays it's more like a good friend or better to say good friends - there are many voices of the unconscious, which I sometimes just experience by a certain underlying emotion, which I realize 4 days later than it occurred.
It's like living in peace when you can communicate and laugh together with "unconscious" parts.
Sometimes when I've a bigger issue to decide I take a paper and write the conversation between me and the inside parts. It takes sometimes one or two hours, but I don't regret these decisions, because they are intact with my values.
Maybe that helped you a bit. But I can imagine it's different from human to human.
@@Gandalf_the_quantum_G Wow. You sure have an interesting journey. Thanks for sharing your experience. I guess I should stop striving and let it work by itself, I think it is beyond our control it has its own heartbeats, time and space. I cannot force it. I just need to get myself prepared so when that time comes it manifest it will be understood, just your like experience. 🙏
@@youngtevanced8818 thanks for your reply. I guess your idea of not striving for it, is exactly what it is.
I can just talk about my experience and that doesn't has to mean anything to other people's experiences.
I recently was reading a book about Taoism and there I found exactly the same idea - by not wanting something, it will be possible to achieve. It is similar to what happened back then in this miserable state of mine: just when I gave up my ideas of my ego, how I could solve my life-situation (and I've had some unrealistic ideas about that), so when I didn't want anymore to solve it the way how I wanted it to solve and I was indifferent to the situation - just then I had an idea, that solved the situation in a total different way than I could not even have had imagined before.
I realized that pattern later on repeatedly as well. Recently I wanted to earn more money and made a plan how to do that and it worked for a bit, my income increased, because I did work alot more. But somehow it made me not happy to work 70 hours per week - I continued for a time, because I thought, that my idea was good and realistic. I couldn't do it for more than 5 months and then I lied here again one Sunday at my birthday in my bed and thought "ah, I give a shit, I didn't laugh anymore for the last half a year and now I'm one year older. I don't mind this stupid money."
It didn't happen anything for one month and I started again to look for new hobbies and sports.
Well and then I got offered a better position - even though I worked not as engaged as before the month in between, but made again my jokes at work and was more balanced.
Now I've a better position, which offers me way more income than before and now I don't even care about it anymore, because I came to the realization, that I've everything I need and always have had it.
So I engage myself right now in supporting students with autism from my old university, which don't have any financial support, mostly also not a real family support and no chance to study otherwise (or at very challenging circumstances) and rent a flat really close to the university, put some useful furniture in it and supply this person with a monthly payment for food and whatever they want to do with it. That was quite a project, but it makes me feel really good.
Specially cause I'm a late diagnosed asperger as well, which struggled immensely to go to college for financial and social support.
I start to believe, that you shouldn't want anything really or strive for it - I use to just make it a goal for myself and see what happens. Sometimes nothing happens - then it's not made for me.
Greetings from Germany and I wish a good evening :)
Does anybody know how I could contact Ian Laird?
What's the polyphony at the start?
That Georgian Chanting is from the soundtrack to Kenneth Clark's `Civilisation' series, specifically where he talks about St Francis of Assisi.
Jeez it really tapered off into waffle towards the end....
Wholeness you can find in a dog not human
Is there any point in me seeing a jungian analyst for personal development if I'm not mentally ill or depressed? Is it likely to focus heavily on the past instead of planning for the future?
Yes I think there is still a point, everyone needs personal development regardless of illness or not.
Jungian archetypes are heavily used in marketing and politics recently... that should give you an hint about your question !
Who r u? I mean the questioner. Know that u r God. Learn to be comfortable. Be still. Know that you are god. Compassion. Compassion compassion---
@@billyranger1236 If god is the unconscious, you are correct.
Jungian idea of the collective subconscious suggests that you, all of us,are a work in progress. Most, blindly ,March on. A good analyst can give directions. Clarify and help you read the map of life. A wave, one amongst millions of waves may look at them as competitors, compare,judge, feel superior or inferior etc....but on realising it’s essentially water(ocean) glides with grace and beauty.
14:00 no. You have no access to reality. Plato new of this fact 100%. You were referring to what he called the noble lie. Key word being lie
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