Sifu Kevin Lee on Wing Chun, MMA, Traditional Martial Arts and More! TFW Podcast Episode 15
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ต.ค. 2024
- ⚠️ Support the channel! www.paypal.com...
🚨 Order my new book from Amazon here: www.amazon.com...
⚡️ Join my Facebook Group Page! www.facebook.c...
Can Wing Chun work with Wrestling? Absolutely it can. Let's talk about principles and concepts vs techniques and work off of the Wrestling Russian Tie Up!
Wing Chun Kung Fu taught by Retired Police Officer and Tactics Expert, Dominick Izzo.
Dominick Izzo has been training Wing Chun since 1998 and has been teaching in the Chicago area since 2008. He was the first American Wing Chun instructor to be published and published in back to back issues in Wing Chun Illustrated.
He is known for his realistic, aggressive and combative approach to Wing Chun Kung Fu. ⚠️ Support the channel! www.paypal.com...
🚨 Order my new book from Amazon here: www.amazon.com...
⚡️ Join my Facebook Group Page! www.facebook.c...
Can Wing Chun work with Wrestling? Absolutely it can. Let's talk about principles and concepts vs techniques and work off of the Wrestling Russian Tie Up!
Wing Chun Kung Fu taught by Retired Police Officer and Tactics Expert, Dominick Izzo.
Dominick Izzo has been training Wing Chun since 1998 and has been teaching in the Chicago area since 2008. He was the first American Wing Chun instructor to be published and published in back to back issues in Wing Chun Illustrated.
He is known for his realistic, aggressive and combative approach to Wing Chun Kung Fu.
Kevin Lee is like one of those people you just have to like ! He just so nice .
Not to mention a great martial artist and wing chun practitioner!
I was wondering where Kevin Lee fit in to all this¡🙄🤡
This was best interview Izzo ever did.
I began Wing Tsun in 97 under Keith Fain sifu & Emin Boztepe Sifu. A.W.T.O.
Wing Tsun is a standing grappling art with supplementary dirty striking.
Unlike most youtube wing Chun we don't fight in the pocket nor at range, to trade punches, we cam & trap the limbs while closing on the adversary w/constant forward motion. We have a high level kuzushi for stealing structure to keep them off balance from the moment we engage.
Slow Forms are important for training dynamic tension in tendon cultivation. Just like Ji Lik tendon cultivation training, which westerners ignore, to develop thicker, stronger, more explosive tendon strength which is by definition an internal art.
There's no retreat, no backing up, no high kicks, no staying in the pocket in wing tsun.
I came from competitive boxing, grappling, collegiate wrestling , okinawan goju ryu, daito ryu, hapkido background when I began Wing Tsun KunFa under Keith Fain Sifu and both he and Emin Boztepe sifu ragged dolled me when they invited me to attack using any of my training.
I was hooked. They were legit fighters. Not curators of techniques.
So I learned Wing Tsun KunFa & Latosa Escrima from them.
Incredible teachers but Keith Fain Sifu was my primary teacher. I'll never forget them.
This is probably the most interesting Wing Chun interview ever. As a BJJ brown belt, the concepts of WC when applied to grappling is fascinating. Kevin is like the Dan Inosanto of the internet!
First time I understood chi sau was in bjj
Kevin is one of my favorites. He's done such a great job of multi-style study and fusion without ever losing his foundation.
I don't think that Americans are lazy. American culture values individualism and self-expression and that runs contrary to martial arts -- especially when you're first learning -- that is about subordinating your judgment to the master and accepting that he/she knows better than you. The kind of devotion to discipline and learning does happen in American culture, but the individual has to choose it, they won't let it be forced on them.
Every art does showcasing. Most real boxing combos are no longer than three punches...but the internet is full of people doing ridiculously long focus mitt sequences. BJJ is mostly about passing and positioning...but the internet is full of flying armbars and rolling ninja back takes. That's ok. Showcasing has been around since the origins of martial arts, because generating interest is part of human nature. Its not just martial arts either. Every practical art -- from business to military to medicine, on and on and on -- uses showcasing to generate interest, so it can perpetuate itself.
"lazy" although it probably is a poor term, does come in many forms. Its not that we are "lazy" it's that we are too quick to dismiss anything we don't immediately understand, and and will not have much dedication to anything outside of what we feel is "optimal"(which that's just humans im general, that was Bruce Lee's biggest setback) we are far too focused on "how to fight" opposed to how to best develop the optimal weapons for fighting. And we focus far too much on "fist go burr"
Thanks for conducting this meaningful discussion with Kevin Lee! I love hearing other passionate WC practitioners speak so genuinely! Thanks again and please do more!
Kevin Lee is one of the best out there, thank you for bringing him on…🙏🙏❤️❤️👍👍👍
Brilliant you guy's, love your mutual respect for each other.
Unexpected but well received collaboration.
Kevin Lee has a really good perspective to martial arts in general.
Absolutely amazing video. Thanks izzo and thanns Kevin. Its nice ti hear some positive things about wing chun for a change. Keep up the great work both of you
39:00 everything from the hip and elbow connection. Kevin gets it.
Good to hear Dan Inosanto injected into the conversation. I've been an admirer for decades.
Great interview
Dear Izzo, having been an ardent follower of your video content for some time now, I must express my appreciation for your recent collaboration with Kevin Lee, which showcased Wing Chun in an enlightening manner.
Reflecting on my personal martial arts journey, I commenced with Judo many years ago before transitioning to Karate and exploring various other disciplines. However, it was not until I encountered Wing Chun that I truly discovered my passion. Presently, my focus predominantly lies within the realm of Tai Chi.
The shift in my focus was largely influenced by the precision and depth that I found within Tai Chi, akin to the aspects highlighted by Kevin Lee in his discussion on Wing Chun. The Tai Chi emphasis on structure, the central line, and the holistic utilization of one's body resonated deeply with me. In Tai Chi, I discovered a practice that not only harnesses the force of gravity and body weight but also integrates muscles as a complementary element rather than the primary source of power.
In hindsight, I recognize that I would have embraced Tai Chi much earlier in my martial arts journey had I been aware of its profound benefits. This realization prompts me to inquire: What are your thoughts on this matter, or perhaps Kevin Lee's perspective?
Warm regards, jaro
what a great interview. thank you :)
As a Mantis Kung fu practitioner I find both your insights on Wing Chun very valuable as we also are a aggressive forward style. Difference being our structure and mechanics changes how we approach that principle. Standing bladed vs Standing square
You, Kevin and Ilan inside fighting are the best channels
Appreciate this.
Thanks!
Very interesting
Cool to see him on here.
Love it.
I have always classified Wing Chun as: The art of throwing your weight around.
Nice to hear Aikido in the mix. Despite all the hate the art also forms a nice ethical frame for incorporating other forms, styles and combines beautifully with wing chun concepts 👊
Two great and knowledgeable personalities. It's great to see someone looking to see a connection between the martial systems regarding principles. I have heard it hundreds of times in several martial systems, "You only have two arms, two legs and a head." Too many people take that information the wrong way. The body only moves so many ways and bio-mechanics works on all bodies. It's not much of a surprise that other systems can benefit from Wing Chun and Wing Chun benefits from other martial systems. Each system may focus on different bio-mechanical principles, but the body is the body. Learning the principles of structure, leverage, motion and gravity can and will improve whatever actions you make no matter what you are doing. They just need to be applied.
Amazing interview, you guys. Thank you for hosting Kevin Lee, sir. It's great to see you two together.
36???? Kevin looks 17-20+ but 36 is like what? 4 years away from 40 and he looks younger than me 😮
Great interview always enjoyed Kevin's videos.
I really enjoyed this, thank you.
All I can say about the video, AWESOME! Thanks Izzo, both you and Kevin are top my WC TH-cam list!
Well done Izzo, fantastic questions and fantastic answers. One of the best you have done.
I enjoyed hearing about Kevin's training with Dan Inosanto. I've admired Dan Inosanto for 40 years. The first martial arts book I ever bought was his "Jeet June Do: The Art and Philosophy of Bruce Lee", and like him my start in martial arts was in Judo and American Kenpo so I've always felt some affinity to him. As you and Kevin said, his technique has just gotten better and better over the past 40 years and he's an example to those of us who wish to continue training for the rest of our lives. It's great that Francis Fong has encouraged Kevin to train with other people like Mr. Inosanto so that he can pass their knowledge on.
Awesome!
Oooh love the collab with all my favorite martial artist content creators lately
What a Great interview. 🙏🏻
Kevin is way to humble. The man is literally the definition of a martial arts master. Hes trained in more styles than most people could even dream of. And he still just has fun with it. I be afraid to see Kevin angry in a fight.
Great observation RE expectations in light of MMA. It takes YEARS to become proficient in a martial art. Microwave America cannot tolerate process; commitment is considered archaic.
I'd love to see you and Icy Mike talk, even branch with the rest of these guys like Ramsey Dewey, Jeff Chan, etc.
Ahh the avengers of martial arts world
Very interesting dialogue and exchange information
Izzo... you are 100 percent correct! Inosanto carried on the JKD thought process and evolved it. Further than Bruce would have ever dreamed. He carried it into the modern world while respecting and training the old ways. Thats why a ton of these "traditional" JKD people bad mouth and dont respect Insosanto. The same JKD people that you dislike, who say bruce abandoned WC. Most of us JKD concepts guys, honestly feel that Bruce would have continued his WC training in his later years. Like you had said, reflecting back on your younger years how little we understood what we had. Being a full instructor in JKD under Inosanto and Paul Vunak, has given me such a huge perspective on all the arts. Keep on making amazing content sir! I love it!
I'd like to see a podcast about the alternate WC history and getting much from western bare knuckle boxers traveling over seas and fencing.
Almost spit out the food I was eating when he said he was 36
What were u eating?
super podcast episode
Did you ever met or interviewed Simon Kwok from London?
It's funny that you mention Phil Nearing and getting your ass kicked. I took private lessons from him in '86 and his words to me were "I'm going to teach you just enough to get your ass kicked"....and I did...regularly.
He purposely withheld from all of us out of fear that his student's would surpass him. And those of us who left, did.
Great video, Kevin knows his shite & such a humble person.
fireeee
Both of you guys are great 😊
Very Good Interview 👍
Wonderful.👍
omg... I been wanting to learn more about clinching yet I had the tools the entire time. Dont get me wrong. I still want to learn clinching, but now Im not as obssessed that it hurts me by how hard it is for me to even learn martial arts. Cuz Im dirt poor and my focus right now is in my youtube channel and I am working hard to make videos. But I will make time for what I also want.
Love it.
Izzo needs to collab w/Adam Chan.
Cool
This was an awesome video! I'd love to talk or train with you guys some time. I am also a Wing Chun practitioner from San Francisco under the Lo Man Kam lineage.
Holy shit, Kevin is 36?! 😂
Hi from Argentina ! We wanna see chi sao of sifu Gary Lam vs sifu Francis Fong 🔥🔥🔥
The information passed in this is so important for a deeper comprehension of fundamentals🥹 thank you (beginner boxer *6 months* that started from Okinawan karate when I was younger - wrestling in high school - to the current boxing/trying to teach myself capoeira/wing chun💯)
Thank y'all🙏🏾💜
Love Kevin hope to see Kevin and Sigong along with Guru and Ajarn at Train with the masters seminar.
Izzo thanks for doing this.
Question for you Izzo:
Have you looked into Sifu Sergio Pascal Ladarola recently. He was good to watch for the deep dive he did in the history of wing chun but I believe he drank the master's tea cup and lost his way. Do you think he lost his way. Let me know your thoughts.
16:52 - Izzo's not a fan of JKD-that's his opinion or preference like food--which may have warped his thinking about what Bruce said about martial arts, and Jeet Kune Do, "Absorb what is useful. - Research your own experience; absorb what is useful, reject what is useless and add what is essentially your own." (Striking Thoughts: Bruce Lee's Wisdom for Daily Living. Part VII - The Process of Becoming - Self-Expression, p.176)
In the same book Bruce wrote, "Jeet Kune Do favors formlessness so that it can assume all forms and, since it has no style, Jeet Kune Do fits in with all styles. As a result, Jeet Kune Do uses all ways and is bound by none and, likewise, uses any technique or means which serves its end. In this art, efficiency is anything that scores." (p. 12)
Yup... 💯🙏
Saying xingyi has alot of similarities to wing chun is like saying white crane has a lot of similarities to wing chun. Xingyi influenced wing chun, you can see that in its stance work and its method of punching. This is because wing chun came from the red baot that also had xingyi people on there as well as snake people and white crane people and together they made wing chun out of that.
The problem with studying other arts to enhance your own art is its based on the assumption that all arts have the same energetics and intent. They don't. Different arts do different things for different reasons.
To enhance your wing chun you got to understand that wing chun was made feom crane and snake, but you don't have a complete snake and crane syllabus in your wing chun syllabus. So if you want complete understanding of wing chun, gain understanding of crane and snake.
Great podcast. But why did it speed up at the most important information being given😮
What’s the criteria that makes an art a “Traditional Martial Art”?
My base was TKD. If I could travel back in time, I'd make it WC.
Why? Best fighter we had in the TKD school cross trained in WC and using BASIC WC, he whooped most people's asses.
Just curious, is there a martial art that is a combination of Wing Chun AND Boxing ? Thanks
Maybe, that's why jon jones is like one of if not the best fighter in the world. His umderstanding of when to blow elbow strikes in mma cage is unmatched along with his very flowy excellent wrestling movement and clinch works even though his boxing is not that great.
Has anybody, heard of a Kungfu Style called Whitt Cloud and Dereck Gordon, it was the first kungfu class that I went ( was known as the bloodbath) if you didn’t block a punch ( not a wing Chun punch, or karate, but an actual punch ) I’ll give an example, I thru a punch at a student that just tried one of those bulls hit wing Chun type blocks and I knocked one of his teeth out and floored him, but he knew we practiced for real just on Thursday nights, Let me tell you something, next hi blocked he would of blocked anyone’s punch , and that’s why White Clipud at least was style that worked on the street , When I think of Wing Chun of just a demonstration art , People exercise tendons and muscle groups that have never been used that way before, so they come out of the martial arts class thinking they can rip trees out the ground, Wing Chun guys can only demonstrate so called energy on their students,,no Wing Chun guys ever pushed me around with energy , simply their tendons and muscle groups are tuned for those techniques thru same as anything , like boxing, and because of this there a little stronger than normal in practiced techniques but not powerful. Or anything at all that when I apply muscle strength it more than counter acts it , so I know first hand there is no mysterious energy that pushes me arouvd sadly , only gullible students 🫣🥹💪👊
Why would it take so long to be proficient in WC if it was developed to be mastered in 3 years? (Honest question, not a jab)
He looks a looooot younger!
No Way!!! You got Kevin on TFW!!! ⚡💪
See
😂😂😂
@@rickyrain7773 holy shit hahaha
@@rickyrain7773 giving you a sub just for this!
😭😭😭
My hot take is that things like Wing Chun and old school Japanese Ju Jitsu will emerge in mma, we over here at martial geeks have just faught in mma recently and none of us are orthodox mma guys, no muay thai, no true bjj, just wing chun, japanese ju jitsu, aikijitsu and we did really good and we're all still technically noobs...
@@UnjustVerdict yeah, I mostly do JJJ now, but I still train and explore wing chun, very useful if you know what it is for and what it isn't for
I wonder if Kevin has trained in or know of Harimau silat?
Izzo has a false idea of JKD. It's not a hodgepodge, for it has no style, yet fits in with all styles. It is not bound by any one martial art like Izzo is with Wing Chun, rather it flows beyond any one style.
19:14 - Bruce, like every creature, is limited, including with life experience. He died in his early thirties, yet he had more experience and knowledge in life and in martial arts than most martial artist in their 90s. He had the rare blessing of extreme talent and extreme effort. These rare individuals. In terms of experience and knowledge, they are like supernovas. They burned the brightest and reached the highest levels, yet their glory is short. Bruce was like Alexander the Great, who also died in his early thirties. They can't be compared to lesser talented individuals whose glory burned longer, but not approaching anywhere their brightness or height of greatness.
It is like free solo climbers. For illustration sake, let's say most talented people can only climb 1/8th of El Capitan at their greatest glory, yet they can keep climbing in their 90s, but no longer approaching anywhere near 1/8th the height of El Capitan as they once did. But there are rare people who have both extreme talent and extreme effort, they climbed to the very top and summit of El Capitan at their greatest glory. Yet, they died in their early 30s.
So who is more limited in experience and knowledge? The talented people who at the greatest glory can only climb (i.e. experience and knowledge) 1/8th of El Capitan or the extremely talented people who at their greatest conquered the mountain?
I see you Dom 💪killer guest
Over come the strength 😂😮 is right 🎉
Did Ryan Garcia use Wing Chun to beat Devon Haney…?💪
3:02 ahahahahahhah i'm sorry can't help ...folks this is the basic martial arts training here in Italy , dodging the wooden spoon / wooden flip flop / every improvised mum weapon ... So true ...so true , i'm sorry for everyone who lived it but ironically that reason makes too much sense
Muay Thai the sport people see with betting, competition etc is nothing like when you train it with someone who really learned old school in Muay Thai. It is a soft art. The location of targets is very intentional. You don’t just baseball bat the guys leg with your kick. You aim for where the nerves are. You don’t just bash the guy with your elbow, you spear or cut the guy and impair him. Guys won’t got NEAR you, if you spar stupidly hard. They “play” and hone their skill and sharpness. Then last to Kevin’s point.. Thai Plum (Clinching).. it’s high level standup grappling. Muay Thai is like Wing Chun with Rhythm. And that is important because the biggest problem with Most Wing Chun of all lineages… they do not have actual live footwork. They have STEPPING and stepping patterns, but, when you see them apply.. their movement is not “alive.” Then under pressure they get caught flat footed and then get bulldozed
He made a point about posture in a classroom and that it was about behavior that behavior is in all of the forms in wing should like he said, while sitting in the chairwriting with posture. Imagine doing all of your forms imposture and then ruining with a fighting stance. The posture goes out the window with Mini. You have to parallel the 2 same as writing with posture.
It's doing Kung Fu in your personal life. Constantly keeping posture you're boxing. Your kickboxing becomes very technical.
This is the spirit and behavior of Kung Fu. I wish more SI FUS knew this, but if your teacher doesn't have it, there's a possibility that you'll never get it.
Sorry for
Typos
Alex Richter 🎉🎉
Nope
Bruce Lee had little to do with developing JKD. Dan Insanto really is the one to create real JKD.
OMG! I always thought he was like 24 or something!!
Izzo you have been dissing Wing Chun for years now., get off the fence!
wow. Izzo, dude you've been at this for a long time, Kevin Lee is nothing compared to you. It must have been hard to do the interview and treat this kid like he's really something. I see him going all over the place acting like he's the next coming. I've been trying to pick a fight with him for a while. Forward my message set it up. His teacher does the most stupid things. He controls inside then gives it up to go outside, just to get back to the inside.
Awesome!