I love Daryl in this episode. Trying so hard to look unbothered telling Andrea about his time in the woods as a kid and you can tell he's lowkey getting more worried as time goes on.
I agree. I feel like he was telling her that story almost as a means to reassure /himself/ that Sophia would be okay. I don't think everyone else giving up hope was what bothered him, but I think it's because he's a tracker and he might feel something like "okay, this is my thing and even I can't find her", and that probably deep down is making him lose hope too because he probably expects he of all people should have found her by now. I feel that the more he seems to start believing that, the more he pushes himself and the more desperate he starts to act. I know Lacey and Steve have seen the next episode by the time I'm posting this so I can mention this, but him going out alone to keep searching feels like part of that. He does really care for the people in this group. ;o; I love Daryl.
I didn’t realize until just now that Shane tried to sacrifice himself, and when Otis refused to leave him behind, Shane had a look like he realized what had to be done
Dont believe that. Shane was going to trick him somehow. Probably wanted to shoot him in the back. When Otis didnt take the bait, he was forced to shoot him face to face.
@@wordswritteninred7171 so we shouldn't believe what the show is showing us ,but instead believe what random people on internet say about it ? when shane wanted to sacrifce himsilf he didn't have a weird look or anything to imply that he was lying ,also people assume that he lied just because of what happens later.
@@khaalmalki4039 Yeah, PAY ATTENTION to what the show is telling you. Shane would not leave the job to anyone else. Especially to someone like Otis, who is out of shape. And the very person who shot Carl. According to Shane, no one can keep Lori safe, except him. So dont pay attention to everyone on the internet who want to defend Shane. And listen to the writters.
@@khaalmalki4039 Just because Otis didnt agree, didnt mean Shane couldnt still sacrifice himself. What choice would Otis have if Shane laid down and sacrificed himself? Otis would have to go forth. But Shane didnt do that did he? No. He shot Otis. Cause that was his plan.
@@khaalmalki4039 Dont be bringing up anything in future episode! Spoulers. You should delete that. But I am basing my opinion upon whats been shown so far. To say Shane was making a sincere offer, is ignoring all his options, and giving him credit for something he did not do. He could have chosen to sacrifice himself anyway. He didnt. THAT alone, is proof. Regardless of anything else. Delete that post plz.
I love how Shane represents that "do bad to achieve good" mentality. It's a really good representation of how certain choices would seem super crazy to us in everyday life or wouldn't even cross our minds but in the zombie apocalypse, it's crazy the choices some might make to stay alive or even for the greater good. Not saying I agree with his decision but looking at the bigger picture, I get it. Where I don't agree is that one would have to make a distinction of one person's life being more valuable than another's and that... that's just an insane thing to think about.
Yeah. I don't fault Shane for doing what he did by valuing his own life more important than Otis'. Shane's priorities were to survive and get back to his group and save Carl, though I am trying to recall if he was still trying to stay with them or leave at this point in the show. I think that Shane knew that he wasn't going to make it on that busted leg before the horde got them both. He knew he would have to be the one to stall and give Otis the chance to escape in this situation, so he had to think like a survivor and sacrifice Otis.
To me, it seems like Shane idolizes Rick and sees him as a hero, coveting everything he [Rick] has. What he doesn’t possess of Rick’s, however, is his even, rational temperament. Shane, like me sometimes, acts on emotion. All he knows is that Carl will die without those supplies, and he will let nothing or nobody stop him from bringing them back. Poor Otis deserved better, but it is a choice between Otis or Carl in Shane’s mind. Not saying I agree with it, just saying this is probably how his mind was working. Chandler Riggs (Carl) did some superb acting in this episode.
Shane offered otis an out, Otis didn’t take it, and Shane knew they both weren’t gonna make it, and since otis wouldn’t leave shane behind, Shane had to resort to shooting him and taking the bag so one of them could make it away and get carl his supplies
I think the main thing new people don't realise when starting TWD is how brutal the show actually is. Compared to other zombie movies and other series it's so unique and has so much more depth to it.
Yeah i don't think killing Otis was that necessary. He shot him and then wrestled him for this bag for over a minute, when they could have been getting to the car in that time just fine
You can only say that if you know how far it is to the car though. And we don't. If it was any kind of distance, the fact that they were both badly limping could have meant that neither of them would have made it. Also what if the walkers get to close behind them and all the sudden other walkers approach them from another direction? They might have to double back to get around the new group of walkers or at least start walking at an angle that would cause the group behind them to close in faster.
Mattel love well there now in a world where some see it as the stronger survive. And Shane might have thought that there was no way out for both to survive
@@psycholove Late Comment: yeah they were surrounded but what i am very confused about is that Shane killed Otis because there was no time but they were in the parking lot they actually wasted more time wrestling instead of picking any car in a parking lot. A really dark twist
In the S2Ep1 deleted scene where Shane runs and runs and the walkers never tire, he knows they would have gotten tired before they could outrun the walkers...
I agree....It's so much fun going back and watching through fresh eyes. I wish I could go back and watch from the beginning not knowing what was going to happen.
I think its exciting seeing people get interested in something you love. Idk I have been on a hunt of finding people reacting from episode 1. Theres a few I watch, but this channel is probably my favorite.
Great reaction guys, my take on the whole Shane situation is similar to what you guys touched on in your discussion. Shane and Otis were in a tough spot but the odds were still probably in their favour and they both possibly could've made it out alive. But I feel as if Shane's mindset was that even though there was a low chance for them both not to make it, the fact that there was even a slight chance at all was dangerous because of Carl's reliance on them. So it seemed as if he was trying to figure out a solution so that there would be a 100% chance that the medicine would reach Carl. And I guess his solution was that one of them would have to sacrifice themselves while the other leaves, and idk if you guys caught it because it's pretty quick and most people miss it but he actually offers to sacrifice himself and give Otis his bag minutes before but Otis doesn't let him. And he probably assumes as well that Otis wouldn't want to sacrifice himself so he makes the decision for Otis. Still though, super super cold blooded and just wrong + he coulda at least shot him in the head so he wouldn't have to suffer lol
I think Shane in a small way is also thinking that if he made it back and helped save Carl, he would win points with Lori. He still has feelings for her as evidenced by pointing the gun at Rick. Just my thoughts. Awesome job as always!
Love the connection Steve made of Shane's facial expression to Vincent D'Onofrio's Pvt. Pyle's facial expression. Creepy AF and almost exactly the same. LOVE YOUR REACTIONS!! Cannot wait until Wednesday!!!✌️☮️
Rick's narrative, at the beginning of the episode - of Shane pranking their principle - is a big clue as to how things played out with Shane & Otis. Shane never intended for Otis to make it back. One way or another, Otis was going to die for shooting Carl. It was another one of his long drawn-out "pranks", just like Rick's story. That's the reason that monologue was included in the episode, in the first place. You're right. Shane had no good reason for shooting Otis. They had plenty of time. Great reaction. 😊🏝️🌺❤️
Lmao you got it all wrong. No evidence that he wanted to kill Otis. The reason he shot him is cuz they were getting tired, and walkers don't get tired so they would have caught up. I do have evidence of that.
@@AlejoConejo-vb8ln I agree with you. I didn't see any evidence that he brought Otis out there to kill him, or that he was going to kill him since this was the perfect opportunity. They had no idea how any of this was gonna play out, and the fact that Shane told him "Sorry" suggests that he didn't want to have to do it but needed to so he could survive and get back to Carl with the supplies. I would actually think that Shane would tell Otis that this was gonna be payback for shooting Carl or something. And the look at the end in the mirror was basically Shane understanding that this is the type of thing that needs to be done for the bigger picture.
@@Rakerong EXACTLY! In fact, at one point Shane offered his bag to Otis and told him to keep going because his broken foot was slowing them down, but Otis insisted that they keep going. If Otis doesn't have the guts to leave him behind then they BOTH were gonna die. That's why Shane shot him.
Yeah, in my opinion, Shane was hurt worse than Otis. Shane wouldn't have made it without Otis. I had the same reaction the first time I saw it. They might have made it, had they not stopped to converse. Shane gave Otis no chance. This is a very good look at who Shane is in this apocalypse.
It didn’t occur to me until recently but I bet the reason Daryl is the most adamant about finding Sophia is because of the story he told Andrea. His family was neglectful and didn’t care for him. When he went missing, no one was even AROUND to care. But when Sophia went missing, Carol was an absolute wreck. I bet seeing a parent actually care so much about their child got to him. I think it says a lot about his personality that when faced with a situation with that, his reaction wasn’t to go ‘this stupid little girl has it better than I did, she‘ll be fine’ but instead to go ‘I’m getting this little girl back to her worried mother’ For a character that wasnt in the comics and wasn’t supposed to live long, they did a great job writing him.
So many people don't get Shane's character arc. This isn't his "true colors" shining through, this is his slow descent into madness. He's losing who he is and this world is getting the better of him. People are molded and shaped by their experiences - and he just had to make the choice on whether 1 person died or all 3.
To me, that look by Shane was Shane forcing himself to accept what he did to survive and to swallow and bury the guilt and move forward as if he did nothing to cause Otis' death. It is the only way he can move forward at this point. Peace
To me it was him seeing if he could actually kill a person and survive that. I think it was something he was always trying to find away to do since Rick got back but had no way to see if he could. And with that you know what I am getting at with this. Because what we know he does in the future.
Or look at it this way. Knowing what he does in the future. I think he did it to see if he could actually kill a person. And it was the perfection situation to do it and see if he could. Which clicked to him in the mirrior when looking ar himself.
@@TheEnigmafan25 I don't like that idea, but I feel like it lowers the complexity of Shane's character. Shane is essence, is a dark version of Rick would become in Season 4B and Season 5. Ruthless, doing what has to be done, but Shane was more selfish and only really wanted Lori and Carl. I see Shane shooting Otis as the moment Shane realizes that he has the make the hard choices, the only problem being is that he saw himself as the only one who can make those choices, like as I said, an even darker version of Season 5 Rick. Shane saw killing Otis as the only way he survives and gets the medicine to Carl. Killing Otis for Carl, shooting the barn walkers, wanting to end the hunt for Sophia, wanting to kill Randall, tell me these are things Season 5 Rick wouldn't do
@@drcheesenut896 No armanda Hymans is correct once he kills one he can kill another one like it wasn't even nothing Shane came from a innocent and helpful person and instead became a murder Lori(rick's wife) was a bad person she would make rick and Shane fight because she only cared about her son and if you think Shane is such a good guy why did you think he shaved his hair, he was a very selfish person by the way Shane dies in season 2
@@Mach_505a Well, if we go in universe wise, Shane did it to hide that Otis pulled out his hair, symbolically it was because he had accepted that you have to do bad things to survive. I'm not saying Shane was a good person, but trying to twist one of the only good things he did (something S5 Rick would've too for Carl) ruins a lot of his complexity. They even say it in S9 Ep5, when Rick hallucinates Shane. Shane tells him that biting out Joe's throat was a very Shane thing to do, killing Gareth with the red machete brutally was something Shane would do. That's one of the best things about Shane, he is a foreshadowing of Rick would become, but also an example of what not to become. You have to become brutal and unforgiving, but you can't be selfish and hot-headed
Shane DID tell him to go ahead to get the medicine there but Otis said he wouldn't leave him. Shane knew that he was slowing him down then. Since he figured zeros wouldn't go he did what he thought he had to, to get the drugs to Carl.
...and now you see Shane's true colors! This world will bring out the best and worst in humanity. But most of all, this world stripes away the layers we hide behind in our every day lives and exposes the essence of our true selves...no matter much we've tried to hide them in the past or how ugly they might be. And now you're starting to see Shane's. Good reaction once again, Duo!
@@mikeg155 Wrong. This is pretty much how he always was. Cause of my childhood history i'm pretty good at reading people. And tv characters so happens.
I was not a big fan of the Zombie apocalypse genre, I decided to give this show a try. What this show does the best is the character interactions and development. I understand what Shane was trying to do, but their was a good gap between them and the zombies, and Shane still had time to wrestle with Otis and get his bag.
Late, but the look was Shane crossing over to the dark side. He is now ready to do what it takes to keep Lori and Carl alive, no matter how hard a choice it is. That's how I interpreted it. I dont think it was confidence. I think he was finding a way to live with himself, and that meant turning off that switch.
You now have seen the real Shane. He shaved his head and showed his true self. Shane was wrong for what he did. I think he and Otis could have helped each other get away. Daryl telling the story of how he survived being lost in the woods as a kid gives you an inkling of the kind of man he is now. Great reaction guys. Thank you!
Ugh, tough call. There was just NO guarantee that they were going to make it. He didn't HAVE to but to assure only 1 person died and two lived that's what needed to happen. I mean, would have been better with Otis' permission however, that wasnt gonna work out either. Shane is a survivor...as awful as that looks.
Very cool episode with Carl finally stabilizing and Shane making a really shocking decision! I mean, it was pragmatic but I agree, just plain COLD! The Farm has been nice because there's new people to bounce dialogue off of, and Hershel seems really cool, but who knows how long that group stability will last. Thanks for the great reactions!
Good reaction, as always! I volved the avene with Daryl in the RV. In the cómic book, the characters reference the RV smelling really bad and no wants to stay in it.... not really an Easter egg, but that scene always reminds me of the comic...
No. He didnt want to shoot Otis in the face. He wanted to shoot him in the back. Otis didnt take the bait. Forcing Shane to do it face to face. He didnt need to shoot him. He only had to outrun him. Which he could do even with a sprained ankle. He isnt tha man everyone wants to believe him to be.
@@wordswritteninred7171 You keep commenting that but it doesnt make sense. He was getting ready to give Otis his bag. He shouldnt of done it but he actually might have been trying to let Otis go
@@LordofLions Shane let Otis go? You cant believe that if you know Shane. Of course he would hand him his bag. Wouldnt be believable if he didnt. And just like he did, he would have gotten the bags after shooting him. No way Shane would off himself and leave Carls fate in someone elses hands. Besides, Shane could have forced the issue to sacrice himself. He could have rushed the walkers, or laid down. Leaving Otis no choice in the matter. But he didnt. He shot Otis. Cause that was his plan.
@@wordswritteninred7171 An interesting idea, but I just don't agree with your conclusion. I do believe that it was more of a "spur of the moment" decision than a planned murder. If that had been the case, he would have waited for Otis to fire one more round and say "I'm out!" Taking the chance on struggling with a man with one bullet left in his pistol isn't done by a man who's coldly planning the death of the other.
This aint no typical living. Shane had to make a decision. They were both banged up and limping pretty bad. Plus they wouldnt be in that spot if it wasnt for otis in the first place. Shane is about to get a whole lot Shane-ier
Just expect this season to be a in a slower side because this season is pretty much only for character development and they also fired the producer from season 1 and this new producer wanted to save as much money as possible while pocketing that money to him self but luckily this seasons producer also got fired and replaced whit a producer that actually cares about The Walking Dead series
Siivonen wasn’t it the opposite? The producer form season 1(that one walker in the tank was one of them) and they trust care about the story of walking and they fired them
@@Fbitypeshit okay so the season 1 producer (Frank Darabont) got fired for a unknown reason and Frank Darabont sued AMC for 280 million dollars in 2013 and the lawsuit is still going on. Frank was also so loved whit the show that he started mocking everybody on the team working on making The Walking Dead and heres a couple of the emails he send (referring to issues he had with the first episode of the second season) “Everybody especially our directors better wake the fuck up and pay attention or I will start killing people and throwing bodies out the door.” (send to 2 of the writers) “hunted them down and fucking killed them with a brick, then gone and burned down their homes.” And in the on going lawsuit hes lawyer sayed "Darabont was only trying to protect his show from lazy hacks". The second seasons producer Greg Nicotero was made to make 13 episodes and whit a smaller budget than season 1 and had only 4 writers so in conclusion it was AMC afther the money not Greg Nicotero
Siivonen but i don’t get it, frank sue them with tha money but treat to kill them all and burn their house, how can the judge or the jury be on your side when you send that kind of stuff? That a BIG stupid move
You can always tell when people are a fan of a character. Regardless of the bad things they do, the fan will readily accept any excuse for their behavior. Where as if someone they don't care for does the same bad action or something similar they're ready to trash them.
Exactly! And you think if these people want someone like that in their actual grouo if something like this happened. What you gonna do if they are the ones stuck with that person that is screwed up in the head and don't give a shit about you or anyone in the group and would kill you with no remorse. You really want someone like that with you. No. You'd be scaree shitless of them. And they also seem like they would do the same thing to someone. When now a days good people is what this world needs. And in that world. Without people you won't make it. You need people."
I feel like I need to defend Shane here. Yes, it was cold, but it had to happen. There was no way they were both going to make it out. They wouldn't have been able to outrun the walkers for much longer and the truck was on the other side of the school. If the two of them had died, Carl would have died as well. Shane tried to sacrifice himself but Otis wouldn't leave him. He had no choice. Ether three people died or one person died. Simple as that. I sometimes think that Shane understands what its going to take to survive long term in this world better than Rick.
Shane lost his mind because Lori messed with his head by making him think he still had a chance with her and poisoned him against best friend. I have some very strong options about this but can’t get into them without dropping spoilers.
They had to reveal the characters, and what they think, at some point. The show had to take a "breather" a bit. I can see how Shane justifies what he did, but you never take a life. You keep going. Like that old joke about running from a bear. You dont have to be the fastest, you just need to be outrun one person. To me, it reveals Shanes selfishness. A noble excuse. Save Carl. But honestly, Carl needs community. Carl needs honorable role models. I know you didnt defend him. Just pointing out what I see. I have no respect for the character. And shocked how many like him! Thanks for another great reaction!
I wouldn't say that Shane is "liked." But, like Merle, he makes for an interesting and entertaining character for the viewing audience. Everyone being good and noble would be rather boring. And it would make for a short show since the group would soon be dead.
@@Lpace3 Oh I love having the character on the show. Dont get me wrong. I LOVE that this show has a representation for many types of people from real life. Shane just happens to be one that I dont like who he is. But love that he is on the show. And I have come across many people who love Shane. And defend him. I cant do it. The actor did a fabulous job betraying the character also! As many on twd are great actors! But disagree that everyone qould be dead. Thats not realistic. But would be a boring show.
I love the walking dead! Its one of my favorite show of all time. And its nice to watch it again with y'all guys. I look forward to Monday and Wednesday and Thursday every week. Thank y'all for doing it 3 time a week now.
0:18 With the fade in, on the letters, it's like she's got some sick tattoo's on her arms xD! 5:23 Giving hope, I don't think there's a more precious gift during, "This." 8:40 For 'all intents and purposes' it's Armageddon, Ragnarok, The Rapture... however you want to call it. Or is it? 0:36 *Men Like Sandwiches!*
Hey Shane offered to sacrifice himself but Otis didn't. And people who say "well if Shane just sits there Otis would have no choice but to run" BS!!! Otis could still try getting shae up and running and be too late. If that happens than Otis,Shane and Carl die so ye even though it's a terrible thing to do Shane had to or they'd die .
A lot of people's opinions of Shane are clouded by what happens later. He really did try to sacrifice himself if that's what it took to save Carl, but Otis didn't or couldn't make that decision, which would lead to all 3 dying, so Shane did what he thought needed to be done,
@Duo Reacts Lacey&Steve ~The Full Metal Jacket quote is "I didn't know they could stack shit that high!" Its been so long, I forgot about Daryl's poison oak story! Ew. Ow. Ew and ow. At 11:55 Andrea should've said "What is wrong with you? That is just evil." At 12:08 who could've forseen that Merle "recieving applause" from ex-girlfriends would be beneficial to T-Dog? At 15:29 What did I tell you two about the lyrics to Welcome to the Jungle?
You have these kind of shows from time to time, some in s3 almost brought me to tears it was so slow. Once you get into the show really good you almost beg for theses kind of shows
Slow don't mean bad. It means charcter developement and also this season does that well and it also has really good twists in this season. To me good twists are worth watching a season like this.
Shane killing Otis is another one of those moral dilemmas that TWD is so good at presenting. To play devils advocate... Shane was thinking about Carl and knew that time was probably running out. The real question is would Shane have made it in time without killing Otis. A few more minutes and Carl could have been gone. But does saving one life justify taking another? A lot to think about. Looking forward to the rest of this season!
Exactly my thinking. At the risk of going Full Shane, I must say were I to have to make the decision between my daughters' life ♡she's my thumbnail♡ and any other, the "other" would lose every time. I would nuke an entire country to save my daughter because that's whose life has the greater value to ME personally. **I'm not really a psychopath except when it comes to her. Cheers! ♡♡
@@ishajac3637 I completely agree. I've never heard it put that way before. I would value the lives of my children over anyone else, If I was faced with no other option. What makes this situation hard to judge is not knowing whether killing Otis was necessary. They may have both made it. We will never know lol
@@courtneythomas9942 True. Perhaps Shane could have given Otis the chance to agree with his own self-sacrifice. If he were truly willing to die by not leaving Shane behind then maybe Shane could have just asked for the bag and said I'll hopefully see you later? But he wasn't giving up that bag. He wasn't thinking about Carl at all at that point.
@@ishajac3637 but what if the shoe is on the other foot guys. If Shane shot your husband to save Carl, would you still feel he was justified? Or, if you are shane, kill Oris, get back to the farm and Carl is already dead?
@@gravitypronepart2201 Those hypotheticals make that decision a lot harder. Because in that instance everyone's life is equally valuable. Quite possibly I would be unable to make the decision and we'd BOTH die as a result. The only thing in my life that I am 100% ruthless, without a second thought, is the wellbeing of my daughter. Other than that, I'm PRO HUMANITY all the way! ♡
So happy watching @DuoReacts reactions to #TWD. It’s an amazing show that makes us question what we would do if something like this truly happened. All of our beliefs, values, and morals might have to be shoved out a window to survive. Looking for to Wednesday! Truly,❤️your reactions and commentary!
@@xmasgirl3048 Depends on the parents, I guess. Dad pretty much raised me to be John Wayne when you can, and Blondie from the Good, Bad, and the Ugly when you can't. Mom was more "Do what you need to do for you and your family and screw everything else."
Talking about the deer shows us Carl is seeing the world in a different set of eyes then everyone else...Could you image what Carl will be like in this world when makes to Ricks age. That would not be a person i would not want to mess with period .. I wrote down in my last comment what you both said about Shane in case you forgot... Steve said "Shane will find it i know he will...And i'm sure he'll do anything he can to bring it back to him" Lacey said "you know he will" Poor Otis , You both were right Shane did do anything he could! You Both had a kinda of little foreshadowing in your last reaction .and get use to seeing faces and other body parts being ripped off....great reactions you both keep it up and i'll keep watching
@@gravitypronepart2201 that makes complete since now and yes...Go Jacks! That will be our catch phase from now on, so says gravityprone part 2 we are the Jack's....cause you and I would never even need the help to get those med's... we would do it our selves and look at everyone else..Saying ,what? It was easy we snuck in and found what we needed and left without making a commotions
Thank you for the video. Wow this episode really sets the stage of what's to come. Every character will get faced with Humanity through out the series. That's why this show is people's favorite. Shane could have just left Ottis since Ottis was slow, but he didn't have to shoot him. So we are starting to see him losing his Humanity there. Thanks again can't wait for the next upload.
I feel like they may have made it. They wrestled over that bag for a good minute. I also think its messed up Otis refused to leave Shane but Shane just left him there. Shot him in the leg not even the head. They would have still ate him dead...he left him there to turn.
I hate what Shane did, and I hated him for it when I had first watched the show, but now I just think he had to make a really tough decision. Right or wrong, he had to get back to Carl and there was a HORDE of a chance he wasn't going to make it, especially with the large and terribly out of shape Otis. I know it sounds mean, but in this world, only the strong survive. I was sad for Otis. He was a good man.
Vincent D'onofrio was Gomer Pyle in full metal jacket, Kingpin in Daredevil, and he's great in everything he does. You can't say you wouldn't do anything to save a family member. That's what Shane did.
I had actually forgotten that Shane had offered to sacrifice himself first! Ergo, it can be said that he did it for Carl and not for self preservation. I think this adds to my "don't be too harsh on Lori's hooking up with Shane too soon" argument. It's the apocalypse and she has no skills so she latched onto someone who would do anything for her or her son. As much as I enjoy scaring people, I am a "women and children first" kind of guy. Unfortunately it's a fact that I would go MUCH further to protect those I thought of as mine than I would yours. "That's my partner's wife and kid" doesn't hold a candle to "that's the woman I'm shagging and the kid I've come to think of as my own." Okay, he's also a bit psycho. No one is perfect. Also, GOOD parents can be excellent choices to add to your survival team. Well, more so to a settled group than a group trying to find / set up a place. As long as you can keep them convinced that your group is their children's best chance of survival, you've got some strong soldiers/supporters that will give their all to the group. As a manager in the customer service industry, I know that it helps to be both a mediator and a manipulator as the situation calls for it.
Steve are you going to factor in a few fat boys in your security and scrounging teams so they can be shot and left as distractions for the walkers to aid escapes now? If you do you can bet the big boys will be lining up to join the farming team, lol! What’s the ideal building complex to use as a base in your opinion? Describe the complex using one word only!
I’m late to the party here, re skills. I’m a professional gardener. I forage from the wild larder and know my edibles from my poisonous/toxic plants, (in the British Isles at least. Though many plants and mushrooms that grow here also grow in the states). I grew up and continue to live in the countryside. I spent most of my summer holidays working on farms. Poaching and scrumping are a way of life round my way. As a child I was an ok shot with a rifle, (before handguns and anything else fun and normal were banned in the uk). I love to cook and I brew my own beer and wine. I have a medieval every day drinking ale recipe, it’s not for getting drunk on, it’s a source of clean drinking water. I’m no expert, not by a long shot, but I cure and smoke my own salami and bacon. I don’t like the stuff much, but I’m currently looking into making cheese. I can weave baskets from willow. I can fish. I can manage woodland, (coppicing, charcoal making, etc). I know about salt fermenting foods, so your kimchi’s and sauerkraut‘ soft the world. That’s about it I think.
In the time they were fighting Otis likely would have helped Shane get clear so it was a total d*ck move to assume he wouldn't but I get it, different world - different choices but to not even kill him outright as mercy...evil
Yeah, that just makes what he did even worse... he allowed that man to suffer a horrible death getting his flesh torn off by walkers! Just cold.... - Lacey
The scene where shane sacrificed otis always stays in my mind, saw it as a youngin for the first time.. watching back through, you can Hear shane tell otis to take his bag and go ahead, Shane was going to sacrifice himself.. but when otis refused to leave shane behind, thats when Shane says Im sorry and shoots him in the leg.. he knew one of them would have to die in order for the other to make a clean get away.. Shane would’ve died a hero, otis would’ve went on to tell the truth, but Otis made a fatal mistake, by not taking shanes pack and moving on ahead..
Otis had to be sacrificed for Carl he was only gonna get slower I don’t like the idea of it of course but it’s after he tried to sacrifice his own life I see it from Shane point of view a little more in that situation so if I was to go on a run like that I would make sure it’s someone who can keep up wit me
I am so enjoying seeing this again from the start. I wish I could erase my memory lol. I luv that Steve is hooked now too 😂 I’m a zombie horror nut like Lacey 😂
Another fantastic episode and reaction. There seem to be even more cracks in ol' Shane now. For better or for worse. I feel bad for Otis. He truly tried his best, but when dealing Marvel's Punisher, it's best to keep fit and keep moving. Not much more to add. I'll be patiently waiting for the next installment. Til' then, keep on keeping on.
Great channel! I wanted to see if you all had considered doing Orange Is The New Black? The new (and final) season starts soon. Its a great show and I think you all would like it .
Vega, thank you for the suggestion!! I think we have only had a few others suggest that one, and it seems like one I personally would really like. Neither one of us have seen it, so we may consider reacting to that one on this channel! - Lacey
This was such a huge moment in the early seasons for me. It was shocking, like despite everything Shane had done or thought of doing, he truly crossed a line this time. I don't know whether they would've made it out together or if that was the only way... Loved your reactions as always!!
That situation with Shane u could say either side , as he was right for doing it as then he got to Carl by any means , but was obviously wrong for killing him for bait - they could have made it maybe
JHolland The point was is that Shane is the type of dude who won't take chances if he doesn't have to. He didn't mind killing a person if it meant a guaranteed getaway vs. just a chance they both make it. It was to show who Shane is at heart.
Shane does everything to help the people he loves and does not take any unnecessary risks. He optimizes his chances of survival in order to be able to help Carl. And if that means killing another person for it. He is a pragmatic. The look in the mirror shows the price that he unconsciously pays. He gets lost more and more in this way of survival. He made the decision late to kill Otis. The Walkers catch up with them because Otis isn't fast enough. So it becomes live feed as a distraction. The decision-making process started from the moment he lied to Otis with the remaining bullets. So he kept this option open. He would have taken Otis with him if it hadn't always looked worse for them. From his point of view, he did what was necessary to save Carl. The fact that otis was responsible for the whole situation also helped with the decision.
One thing I don't think you understand... A person can give a lot more blood than what an organized blood drive allows. Organized blood drives are operated on the basis of "how much blood can you give without more than marginal impact on your ability to function normally?" A person can give blood at a drive about every 56 days, because it will allow the body time to recover. But in a desperate situation a person can give much more in a short time, it simply means the person who gives the blood will be significantly weakened and vulnerable. Enough blood for the kind of surgery Carl needed, without a proper operating room, full staff of a surgical team... Maybe, maybe not. But if it's your child that needs the blood, a decent parent takes the approach of "If it mean my child has a chance, take all you need."
I love Daryl in this episode. Trying so hard to look unbothered telling Andrea about his time in the woods as a kid and you can tell he's lowkey getting more worried as time goes on.
I agree. I feel like he was telling her that story almost as a means to reassure /himself/ that Sophia would be okay. I don't think everyone else giving up hope was what bothered him, but I think it's because he's a tracker and he might feel something like "okay, this is my thing and even I can't find her", and that probably deep down is making him lose hope too because he probably expects he of all people should have found her by now. I feel that the more he seems to start believing that, the more he pushes himself and the more desperate he starts to act. I know Lacey and Steve have seen the next episode by the time I'm posting this so I can mention this, but him going out alone to keep searching feels like part of that. He does really care for the people in this group. ;o; I love Daryl.
I didn’t realize until just now that Shane tried to sacrifice himself, and when Otis refused to leave him behind, Shane had a look like he realized what had to be done
Dont believe that. Shane was going to trick him somehow. Probably wanted to shoot him in the back. When Otis didnt take the bait, he was forced to shoot him face to face.
@@wordswritteninred7171 so we shouldn't believe what the show is showing us ,but instead believe what random people on internet say about it ? when shane wanted to sacrifce himsilf he didn't have a weird look or anything to imply that he was lying ,also people assume that he lied just because of what happens later.
@@khaalmalki4039 Yeah, PAY ATTENTION to what the show is telling you. Shane would not leave the job to anyone else. Especially to someone like Otis, who is out of shape. And the very person who shot Carl. According to Shane, no one can keep Lori safe, except him. So dont pay attention to everyone on the internet who want to defend Shane. And listen to the writters.
@@khaalmalki4039 Just because Otis didnt agree, didnt mean Shane couldnt still sacrifice himself. What choice would Otis have if Shane laid down and sacrificed himself? Otis would have to go forth. But Shane didnt do that did he? No. He shot Otis. Cause that was his plan.
@@khaalmalki4039 Dont be bringing up anything in future episode! Spoulers. You should delete that. But I am basing my opinion upon whats been shown so far. To say Shane was making a sincere offer, is ignoring all his options, and giving him credit for something he did not do. He could have chosen to sacrifice himself anyway. He didnt. THAT alone, is proof. Regardless of anything else. Delete that post plz.
I love how Shane represents that "do bad to achieve good" mentality. It's a really good representation of how certain choices would seem super crazy to us in everyday life or wouldn't even cross our minds but in the zombie apocalypse, it's crazy the choices some might make to stay alive or even for the greater good. Not saying I agree with his decision but looking at the bigger picture, I get it. Where I don't agree is that one would have to make a distinction of one person's life being more valuable than another's and that... that's just an insane thing to think about.
Yeah. I don't fault Shane for doing what he did by valuing his own life more important than Otis'. Shane's priorities were to survive and get back to his group and save Carl, though I am trying to recall if he was still trying to stay with them or leave at this point in the show. I think that Shane knew that he wasn't going to make it on that busted leg before the horde got them both. He knew he would have to be the one to stall and give Otis the chance to escape in this situation, so he had to think like a survivor and sacrifice Otis.
Jon Bernthal plays Shane...He's also The Punisher on Netflix...another great show.
To me, it seems like Shane idolizes Rick and sees him as a hero, coveting everything he [Rick] has. What he doesn’t possess of Rick’s, however, is his even, rational temperament. Shane, like me sometimes, acts on emotion. All he knows is that Carl will die without those supplies, and he will let nothing or nobody stop him from bringing them back. Poor Otis deserved better, but it is a choice between Otis or Carl in Shane’s mind. Not saying I agree with it, just saying this is probably how his mind was working. Chandler Riggs (Carl) did some superb acting in this episode.
The idea of Shane idolizing Rick! I like that. Never looked at it that way.
Shane offered otis an out, Otis didn’t take it, and Shane knew they both weren’t gonna make it, and since otis wouldn’t leave shane behind, Shane had to resort to shooting him and taking the bag so one of them could make it away and get carl his supplies
I think the main thing new people don't realise when starting TWD is how brutal the show actually is. Compared to other zombie movies and other series it's so unique and has so much more depth to it.
Yeah i don't think killing Otis was that necessary. He shot him and then wrestled him for this bag for over a minute, when they could have been getting to the car in that time just fine
You can only say that if you know how far it is to the car though. And we don't. If it was any kind of distance, the fact that they were both badly limping could have meant that neither of them would have made it. Also what if the walkers get to close behind them and all the sudden other walkers approach them from another direction? They might have to double back to get around the new group of walkers or at least start walking at an angle that would cause the group behind them to close in faster.
@@jasonwhitley3751 Well this is all very true, but from what we know, and what we saw, it seems like they very much could have both made it
Mattel love well there now in a world where some see it as the stronger survive. And Shane might have thought that there was no way out for both to survive
@@psycholove Late Comment: yeah they were surrounded but what i am very confused about is that Shane killed Otis because there was no time but they were in the parking lot they actually wasted more time wrestling instead of picking any car in a parking lot. A really dark twist
In the S2Ep1 deleted scene where Shane runs and runs and the walkers never tire, he knows they would have gotten tired before they could outrun the walkers...
"You don't have to outrun the bear (walker), you just have to outrun the other guy." lol
I have a magnet on my fridge that says " If zombies chase us, I'm tripping you"
*too true
Haha
Yes! Thats it! I just posted something about that. And even with a sprained ankle, Shane could outrun Otis. No need to kill him.
@@wordswritteninred7171 wont work the walkers were still gonna follow them back to the camp and everyone would die.
@@khaalmalki4039 Yeah. Those sneaky conniving walkers!
As a die hard fan of this show, I love watching others reactions because you always miss stuff... cant wait until Wednesday and Thursday
I agree....It's so much fun going back and watching through fresh eyes. I wish I could go back and watch from the beginning not knowing what was going to happen.
I think its exciting seeing people get interested in something you love. Idk I have been on a hunt of finding people reacting from episode 1. Theres a few I watch, but this channel is probably my favorite.
That look on Shane’s face is almost confidence and almost a sense of relief that he could now keep his secret about Otis safe.
Great reaction guys, my take on the whole Shane situation is similar to what you guys touched on in your discussion.
Shane and Otis were in a tough spot but the odds were still probably in their favour and they both possibly could've made it out alive.
But I feel as if Shane's mindset was that even though there was a low chance for them both not to make it, the fact that there was even a slight chance at all was dangerous because of Carl's reliance on them. So it seemed as if he was trying to figure out a solution so that there would be a 100% chance that the medicine would reach Carl.
And I guess his solution was that one of them would have to sacrifice themselves while the other leaves, and idk if you guys caught it because it's pretty quick and most people miss it but he actually offers to sacrifice himself and give Otis his bag minutes before but Otis doesn't let him. And he probably assumes as well that Otis wouldn't want to sacrifice himself so he makes the decision for Otis.
Still though, super super cold blooded and just wrong + he coulda at least shot him in the head so he wouldn't have to suffer lol
That's the thing, he knew it would give him more time if Otis was still alive. Cold.
I think Shane in a small way is also thinking that if he made it back and helped save Carl, he would win points with Lori. He still has feelings for her as evidenced by pointing the gun at Rick. Just my thoughts. Awesome job as always!
And it worked! She asked him to stay after he talked about leaving. Gotta love it when a plan comes together.
Love the connection Steve made of Shane's facial expression to Vincent D'Onofrio's Pvt. Pyle's facial expression. Creepy AF and almost exactly the same. LOVE YOUR REACTIONS!! Cannot wait until Wednesday!!!✌️☮️
What's your major malfunction Pvt. Pyle?
Rick's narrative, at the beginning of the episode - of Shane pranking their principle - is a big clue as to how things played out with Shane & Otis. Shane never intended for Otis to make it back. One way or another, Otis was going to die for shooting Carl. It was another one of his long drawn-out "pranks", just like Rick's story. That's the reason that monologue was included in the episode, in the first place.
You're right. Shane had no good reason for shooting Otis. They had plenty of time.
Great reaction. 😊🏝️🌺❤️
Lmao you got it all wrong. No evidence that he wanted to kill Otis. The reason he shot him is cuz they were getting tired, and walkers don't get tired so they would have caught up. I do have evidence of that.
@@AlejoConejo-vb8ln lMaOooo
@@AlterExo_ So you agree?
@@AlejoConejo-vb8ln I agree with you. I didn't see any evidence that he brought Otis out there to kill him, or that he was going to kill him since this was the perfect opportunity. They had no idea how any of this was gonna play out, and the fact that Shane told him "Sorry" suggests that he didn't want to have to do it but needed to so he could survive and get back to Carl with the supplies. I would actually think that Shane would tell Otis that this was gonna be payback for shooting Carl or something. And the look at the end in the mirror was basically Shane understanding that this is the type of thing that needs to be done for the bigger picture.
@@Rakerong EXACTLY! In fact, at one point Shane offered his bag to Otis and told him to keep going because his broken foot was slowing them down, but Otis insisted that they keep going. If Otis doesn't have the guts to leave him behind then they BOTH were gonna die. That's why Shane shot him.
Yeah, in my opinion, Shane was hurt worse than Otis. Shane wouldn't have made it without Otis. I had the same reaction the first time I saw it. They might have made it, had they not stopped to converse. Shane gave Otis no chance. This is a very good look at who Shane is in this apocalypse.
Hey thatchick! Team Jacks!
It didn’t occur to me until recently but I bet the reason Daryl is the most adamant about finding Sophia is because of the story he told Andrea. His family was neglectful and didn’t care for him. When he went missing, no one was even AROUND to care. But when Sophia went missing, Carol was an absolute wreck. I bet seeing a parent actually care so much about their child got to him.
I think it says a lot about his personality that when faced with a situation with that, his reaction wasn’t to go ‘this stupid little girl has it better than I did, she‘ll be fine’ but instead to go ‘I’m getting this little girl back to her worried mother’
For a character that wasnt in the comics and wasn’t supposed to live long, they did a great job writing him.
So many people don't get Shane's character arc. This isn't his "true colors" shining through, this is his slow descent into madness. He's losing who he is and this world is getting the better of him. People are molded and shaped by their experiences - and he just had to make the choice on whether 1 person died or all 3.
I would agree with this statement Mike about Shane descending into madness! Good point! - Lacey
To me, that look by Shane was Shane forcing himself to accept what he did to survive and to swallow and bury the guilt and move forward as if he did nothing to cause Otis' death. It is the only way he can move forward at this point.
Peace
To me it was him seeing if he could actually kill a person and survive that. I think it was something he was always trying to find away to do since Rick got back but had no way to see if he could. And with that you know what I am getting at with this. Because what we know he does in the future.
I was mad about Shane shooting Otis too but I think Shane knew they wouldn’t make it together. Shane would do anything for Carl.
...they could have made it...they wrestled over that bag for a bit. I feel like anyway lol
Or look at it this way. Knowing what he does in the future. I think he did it to see if he could actually kill a person. And it was the perfection situation to do it and see if he could. Which clicked to him in the mirrior when looking ar himself.
@@TheEnigmafan25 I don't like that idea, but I feel like it lowers the complexity of Shane's character. Shane is essence, is a dark version of Rick would become in Season 4B and Season 5. Ruthless, doing what has to be done, but Shane was more selfish and only really wanted Lori and Carl. I see Shane shooting Otis as the moment Shane realizes that he has the make the hard choices, the only problem being is that he saw himself as the only one who can make those choices, like as I said, an even darker version of Season 5 Rick.
Shane saw killing Otis as the only way he survives and gets the medicine to Carl. Killing Otis for Carl, shooting the barn walkers, wanting to end the hunt for Sophia, wanting to kill Randall, tell me these are things Season 5 Rick wouldn't do
@@drcheesenut896 No armanda Hymans is correct once he kills one he can kill another one like it wasn't even nothing Shane came from a innocent and helpful person and instead became a murder Lori(rick's wife) was a bad person she would make rick and Shane fight because she only cared about her son and if you think Shane is such a good guy why did you think he shaved his hair, he was a very selfish person by the way Shane dies in season 2
@@Mach_505a Well, if we go in universe wise, Shane did it to hide that Otis pulled out his hair, symbolically it was because he had accepted that you have to do bad things to survive. I'm not saying Shane was a good person, but trying to twist one of the only good things he did (something S5 Rick would've too for Carl) ruins a lot of his complexity. They even say it in S9 Ep5, when Rick hallucinates Shane. Shane tells him that biting out Joe's throat was a very Shane thing to do, killing Gareth with the red machete brutally was something Shane would do. That's one of the best things about Shane, he is a foreshadowing of Rick would become, but also an example of what not to become. You have to become brutal and unforgiving, but you can't be selfish and hot-headed
Shane DID tell him to go ahead to get the medicine there but Otis said he wouldn't leave him. Shane knew that he was slowing him down then. Since he figured zeros wouldn't go he did what he thought he had to, to get the drugs to Carl.
...and now you see Shane's true colors! This world will bring out the best and worst in humanity. But most of all, this world stripes away the layers we hide behind in our every day lives and exposes the essence of our true selves...no matter much we've tried to hide them in the past or how ugly they might be. And now you're starting to see Shane's. Good reaction once again, Duo!
This isn't who he secretly always was. The guy is slowly losing his mind from drowning in misery and guilt.
Exactly!
mikeg155 i kinda disagree, but u can't discuss it further here.
@@mikeg155 Wrong. This is pretty much how he always was. Cause of my childhood history i'm pretty good at reading people. And tv characters so happens.
@@schlock159 Lmfao you're a joke.
Season 2 does have slower episodes, but during you really get to learn the characters, without leaving the storyline behind :)! Loved this one guys!
Yes indeed and also very good twists in this season.
I was not a big fan of the Zombie apocalypse genre, I decided to give this show a try. What this show does the best is the character interactions and development.
I understand what Shane was trying to do, but their was a good gap between them and the zombies, and Shane still had time to wrestle with Otis and get his bag.
Late, but the look was Shane crossing over to the dark side. He is now ready to do what it takes to keep Lori and Carl alive, no matter how hard a choice it is. That's how I interpreted it. I dont think it was confidence. I think he was finding a way to live with himself, and that meant turning off that switch.
You now have seen the real Shane. He shaved his head and showed his true self. Shane was wrong for what he did. I think he and Otis could have helped each other get away.
Daryl telling the story of how he survived being lost in the woods as a kid gives you an inkling of the kind of man he is now.
Great reaction guys. Thank you!
Ugh, tough call. There was just NO guarantee that they were going to make it. He didn't HAVE to but to assure only 1 person died and two lived that's what needed to happen. I mean, would have been better with Otis' permission however, that wasnt gonna work out either. Shane is a survivor...as awful as that looks.
@Raging Panda look how long they were fighting over the bag. Imagine if they both kept running instead.
@@indianwarlord6935 My thought exactly.
@@Carrietbean Thanks for your input. 😊
@Raging Panda Thanks for your thoughts on this topic. 😊
Very cool episode with Carl finally stabilizing and Shane making a really shocking decision! I mean, it was pragmatic but I agree, just plain COLD! The Farm has been nice because there's new people to bounce dialogue off of, and Hershel seems really cool, but who knows how long that group stability will last. Thanks for the great reactions!
Good reaction, as always! I volved the avene with Daryl in the RV. In the cómic book, the characters reference the RV smelling really bad and no wants to stay in it.... not really an Easter egg, but that scene always reminds me of the comic...
Yeah it sucks that Otis died but if they both died Carl would of died so that would be worst
I know the shock factor of what Shane did is high.... But to be fair, he did offer himself to be eaten beforehand
Shane gets ish done
No. He didnt want to shoot Otis in the face. He wanted to shoot him in the back. Otis didnt take the bait. Forcing Shane to do it face to face. He didnt need to shoot him. He only had to outrun him. Which he could do even with a sprained ankle. He isnt tha man everyone wants to believe him to be.
@@wordswritteninred7171 You keep commenting that but it doesnt make sense. He was getting ready to give Otis his bag. He shouldnt of done it but he actually might have been trying to let Otis go
@@LordofLions Shane let Otis go? You cant believe that if you know Shane. Of course he would hand him his bag. Wouldnt be believable if he didnt. And just like he did, he would have gotten the bags after shooting him. No way Shane would off himself and leave Carls fate in someone elses hands. Besides, Shane could have forced the issue to sacrice himself. He could have rushed the walkers, or laid down. Leaving Otis no choice in the matter. But he didnt. He shot Otis. Cause that was his plan.
@@wordswritteninred7171 lol false, I don't want to spoil anything regarding season 2 but it's obvious he would've gave himself up
@@wordswritteninred7171 An interesting idea, but I just don't agree with your conclusion. I do believe that it was more of a "spur of the moment" decision than a planned murder. If that had been the case, he would have waited for Otis to fire one more round and say "I'm out!" Taking the chance on struggling with a man with one bullet left in his pistol isn't done by a man who's coldly planning the death of the other.
This aint no typical living. Shane had to make a decision. They were both banged up and limping pretty bad. Plus they wouldnt be in that spot if it wasnt for otis in the first place. Shane is about to get a whole lot Shane-ier
Even distraught and worried about her son, Lori still stinks!
Daryl is always down to help the crew!
I just started this show I have to say if was in the Walking Dead Universe, I would be a combination/fusion of Rick and Glenn.
Just expect this season to be a in a slower side because this season is pretty much only for character development and they also fired the producer from season 1 and this new producer wanted to save as much money as possible while pocketing that money to him self but luckily this seasons producer also got fired and replaced whit a producer that actually cares about The Walking Dead series
Siivonen wasn’t it the opposite? The producer form season 1(that one walker in the tank was one of them) and they trust care about the story of walking and they fired them
@@Fbitypeshit i cant be sure but i think im gonna do some research and then ill come back here
@@Fbitypeshit okay so the season 1 producer (Frank Darabont) got fired for a unknown reason and Frank Darabont sued AMC for 280 million dollars in 2013 and the lawsuit is still going on.
Frank was also so loved whit the show that he started mocking everybody on the team working on making The Walking Dead and heres a couple of the emails he send
(referring to issues he had with the first episode of the second season)
“Everybody especially our directors better wake the fuck up and pay attention or I will start killing people and throwing bodies out the door.”
(send to 2 of the writers)
“hunted them down and fucking killed them with a brick, then gone and burned down their homes.”
And in the on going lawsuit hes lawyer sayed
"Darabont was only trying to protect his show from lazy hacks".
The second seasons producer Greg Nicotero was made to make 13 episodes and whit a smaller budget than season 1 and had only 4 writers
so in conclusion it was AMC afther the money not Greg Nicotero
Siivonen but i don’t get it, frank sue them with tha money but treat to kill them all and burn their house, how can the judge or the jury be on your side when you send that kind of stuff? That a BIG stupid move
@@Fbitypeshit i mean propapply because AMC didnt have a real reason to fire Frank
You can always tell when people are a fan of a character. Regardless of the bad things they do, the fan will readily accept any excuse for their behavior. Where as if someone they don't care for does the same bad action or something similar they're ready to trash them.
Exactly! And you think if these people want someone like that in their actual grouo if something like this happened. What you gonna do if they are the ones stuck with that person that is screwed up in the head and don't give a shit about you or anyone in the group and would kill you with no remorse. You really want someone like that with you. No. You'd be scaree shitless of them. And they also seem like they would do the same thing to someone. When now a days good people is what this world needs. And in that world. Without people you won't make it. You need people."
Happy Canada Day Guys!!! Love from Toronto! ♥️🇨🇦
16:50 that was the moment Shane became The Punisher
And Shane shows his true self. Great reaction and I love watching this with you guys again.
Shane is a survivor but...he is not good people
Hé saved the life of Carl and he is not good people ???😂😂😂
I was smiling wryly when Lacey said, "good shot Otis," as he shot the Walker (attacking Shane) in the head.
I feel like I need to defend Shane here. Yes, it was cold, but it had to happen. There was no way they were both going to make it out. They wouldn't have been able to outrun the walkers for much longer and the truck was on the other side of the school. If the two of them had died, Carl would have died as well. Shane tried to sacrifice himself but Otis wouldn't leave him. He had no choice. Ether three people died or one person died. Simple as that. I sometimes think that Shane understands what its going to take to survive long term in this world better than Rick.
Shane would have gotten everyone killed. He lost his mind, Rick does make stupid decisions at times, but he's sane.
Shane lost his mind because Lori messed with his head by making him think he still had a chance with her and poisoned him against best friend. I have some very strong options about this but can’t get into them without dropping spoilers.
Blair Kilgallon , wow! So you are blaming Lori on Shane's mental state 🙄
That guy in the red shirt was about to gag when he saw odis getting ripped apart
lol you're correct. he has gotten used to this show as we've gone along. xo - mod team
They had to reveal the characters, and what they think, at some point. The show had to take a "breather" a bit.
I can see how Shane justifies what he did, but you never take a life. You keep going. Like that old joke about running from a bear. You dont have to be the fastest, you just need to be outrun one person. To me, it reveals Shanes selfishness. A noble excuse. Save Carl. But honestly, Carl needs community. Carl needs honorable role models. I know you didnt defend him. Just pointing out what I see. I have no respect for the character. And shocked how many like him!
Thanks for another great reaction!
I wouldn't say that Shane is "liked." But, like Merle, he makes for an interesting and entertaining character for the viewing audience. Everyone being good and noble would be rather boring. And it would make for a short show since the group would soon be dead.
@@Lpace3 Oh I love having the character on the show. Dont get me wrong. I LOVE that this show has a representation for many types of people from real life. Shane just happens to be one that I dont like who he is. But love that he is on the show. And I have come across many people who love Shane. And defend him. I cant do it. The actor did a fabulous job betraying the character also! As many on twd are great actors! But disagree that everyone qould be dead. Thats not realistic. But would be a boring show.
@@wordswritteninred7171 yeah it was a good addition but i hate himmm!
Uh oh, he's gone Full Shane! lol. (In my house, that's a threat. "Don't make me go Full Shane!")
Yes!!! You totally said it. Awesome!!!
I love the walking dead! Its one of my favorite show of all time. And its nice to watch it again with y'all guys. I look forward to Monday and Wednesday and Thursday every week. Thank y'all for doing it 3 time a week now.
0:18 With the fade in, on the letters, it's like she's got some sick tattoo's on her arms xD!
5:23 Giving hope, I don't think there's a more precious gift during, "This." 8:40 For 'all intents and purposes' it's Armageddon, Ragnarok, The Rapture... however you want to call it. Or is it?
0:36 *Men Like Sandwiches!*
Hey Shane offered to sacrifice himself but Otis didn't. And people who say "well if Shane just sits there Otis would have no choice but to run" BS!!! Otis could still try getting shae up and running and be too late. If that happens than Otis,Shane and Carl die so ye even though it's a terrible thing to do Shane had to or they'd die .
A lot of people's opinions of Shane are clouded by what happens later. He really did try to sacrifice himself if that's what it took to save Carl, but Otis didn't or couldn't make that decision, which would lead to all 3 dying, so Shane did what he thought needed to be done,
Shane aka Jon Bernthal was awesome in the 2 seasons of The Punisher on Netflix.
He was also awesome as Shane on TWD.
@Duo Reacts Lacey&Steve ~The Full Metal Jacket quote is "I didn't know they could stack shit that high!" Its been so long, I forgot about Daryl's poison oak story! Ew. Ow. Ew and ow. At 11:55 Andrea should've said "What is wrong with you? That is just evil." At 12:08 who could've forseen that Merle "recieving applause" from ex-girlfriends would be beneficial to T-Dog? At 15:29 What did I tell you two about the lyrics to Welcome to the Jungle?
You have these kind of shows from time to time, some in s3 almost brought me to tears it was so slow. Once you get into the show really good you almost beg for theses kind of shows
Slow don't mean bad. It means charcter developement and also this season does that well and it also has really good twists in this season. To me good twists are worth watching a season like this.
@@TheEnigmafan25 I agree, just saying really drag but over all Im a huge fan of TWD. Take a chill pill doll
Idealism versus pragmatism it begin in this episode
Great makeup, Lacey. You too Steve lol
Thanks!!! - Lacey
Shane killing Otis is another one of those moral dilemmas that TWD is so good at presenting. To play devils advocate... Shane was thinking about Carl and knew that time was probably running out. The real question is would Shane have made it in time without killing Otis. A few more minutes and Carl could have been gone. But does saving one life justify taking another? A lot to think about. Looking forward to the rest of this season!
Exactly my thinking.
At the risk of going Full Shane, I must say were I to have to make the decision between my daughters' life ♡she's my thumbnail♡ and any other, the "other" would lose every time. I would nuke an entire country to save my daughter because that's whose life has the greater value to ME personally.
**I'm not really a psychopath except when it comes to her.
Cheers! ♡♡
@@ishajac3637 I completely agree. I've never heard it put that way before. I would value the lives of my children over anyone else, If I was faced with no other option. What makes this situation hard to judge is not knowing whether killing Otis was necessary. They may have both made it. We will never know lol
@@courtneythomas9942 True. Perhaps Shane could have given Otis the chance to agree with his own self-sacrifice. If he were truly willing to die by not leaving Shane behind then maybe Shane could have just asked for the bag and said I'll hopefully see you later? But he wasn't giving up that bag. He wasn't thinking about Carl at all at that point.
@@ishajac3637 but what if the shoe is on the other foot guys. If Shane shot your husband to save Carl, would you still feel he was justified? Or, if you are shane, kill Oris, get back to the farm and Carl is already dead?
@@gravitypronepart2201 Those hypotheticals make that decision a lot harder. Because in that instance everyone's life is equally valuable. Quite possibly I would be unable to make the decision and we'd BOTH die as a result.
The only thing in my life that I am 100% ruthless, without a second thought, is the wellbeing of my daughter.
Other than that, I'm PRO HUMANITY all the way! ♡
Great reaction guys! Well, there it is: Crazy Shane mode ON!
So happy watching @DuoReacts reactions to #TWD.
It’s an amazing show that makes us question what we would do if something like this truly happened.
All of our beliefs, values, and morals might have to be shoved out a window to survive.
Looking for to Wednesday!
Truly,❤️your reactions and commentary!
Or maybe it would be more important that ever to hang on to our humanity.
gravityprone part 2 oh I would most likely be dead pretty quick. I always try to hold on to morals. It’s what our parents teach us❤️
@@xmasgirl3048 Depends on the parents, I guess. Dad pretty much raised me to be John Wayne when you can, and Blondie from the Good, Bad, and the Ugly when you can't. Mom was more "Do what you need to do for you and your family and screw everything else."
Talking about the deer shows us Carl is seeing the world in a different set of eyes then everyone else...Could you image what Carl will be like in this world when makes to Ricks age. That would not be a person i would not want to mess with period .. I wrote down in my last comment what you both said about Shane in case you forgot... Steve said "Shane will find it i know he will...And i'm sure he'll do anything he can to bring it back to him" Lacey said "you know he will" Poor Otis , You both were right Shane did do anything he could! You Both had a kinda of little foreshadowing in your last reaction .and get use to seeing faces and other body parts being ripped off....great reactions you both keep it up and i'll keep watching
Hey Kevin! Go Jacks!
@@gravitypronepart2201 go jacks? what do you mean by that not catching the reference...please tell me more lol
@@KevinPresents1 Jack of all Trades team.. Guess it's not too catchy. Lol!
@@gravitypronepart2201 that makes complete since now and yes...Go Jacks! That will be our catch phase from now on, so says gravityprone part 2 we are the Jack's....cause you and I would never even need the help to get those med's... we would do it our selves and look at everyone else..Saying ,what? It was easy we snuck in and found what we needed and left without making a commotions
Literally have been looking forward to this all weekend 😂
Thank you for the video. Wow this episode really sets the stage of what's to come.
Every character will get faced with Humanity through out the series. That's why this show is people's favorite. Shane could have just left Ottis since Ottis was slow, but he didn't have to shoot him. So we are starting to see him losing his Humanity there.
Thanks again can't wait for the next upload.
Except he couldn't because Otis was carrying half of the supplies. They either both needed to make it out or 1 had to leave with both bags.
in comparison, what would have happened if Darryl was with Otis and Shane was out looking for Sophia ...?
Daryl would have fought to keep both alive.
@@lynncantrell5502 Or he would've died making sure the other person was safe.
Daryl would have covered himself and Otis in zombie guts before ever going into the building.
Lpace3 , I'm not sure if Daryl would have figure that out. Rick was the one that thought of it in Atlanta, but Daryl wasn't with them.
Omg yes! I have had, still having a really bad flue and earinfection for one week now.. Seeing the notification brings a smile on my face ☀️☀️☀️
I feel like they may have made it. They wrestled over that bag for a good minute. I also think its messed up Otis refused to leave Shane but Shane just left him there. Shot him in the leg not even the head. They would have still ate him dead...he left him there to turn.
It's an established fact that they prefer live food, at least squirming during the meal. Otherwise, they might as well be cannibals.
Just stumbled on to this, enjoy you guys reaction!
Hell yes u said DUOoooo-IT 🤜🤛😅
There’s that T-shirt again 😂 great video guys!
I hate what Shane did, and I hated him for it when I had first watched the show, but now I just think he had to make a really tough decision. Right or wrong, he had to get back to Carl and there was a HORDE of a chance he wasn't going to make it, especially with the large and terribly out of shape Otis. I know it sounds mean, but in this world, only the strong survive. I was sad for Otis. He was a good man.
good man always die faster than others
Vincent D'onofrio was Gomer Pyle in full metal jacket, Kingpin in Daredevil, and he's great in everything he does. You can't say you wouldn't do anything to save a family member. That's what Shane did.
I can say it. Murdering someone is not justifiable.
I had actually forgotten that Shane had offered to sacrifice himself first! Ergo, it can be said that he did it for Carl and not for self preservation. I think this adds to my "don't be too harsh on Lori's hooking up with Shane too soon" argument. It's the apocalypse and she has no skills so she latched onto someone who would do anything for her or her son. As much as I enjoy scaring people, I am a "women and children first" kind of guy. Unfortunately it's a fact that I would go MUCH further to protect those I thought of as mine than I would yours. "That's my partner's wife and kid" doesn't hold a candle to "that's the woman I'm shagging and the kid I've come to think of as my own." Okay, he's also a bit psycho. No one is perfect.
Also, GOOD parents can be excellent choices to add to your survival team. Well, more so to a settled group than a group trying to find / set up a place. As long as you can keep them convinced that your group is their children's best chance of survival, you've got some strong soldiers/supporters that will give their all to the group. As a manager in the customer service industry, I know that it helps to be both a mediator and a manipulator as the situation calls for it.
Steve are you going to factor in a few fat boys in your security and scrounging teams so they can be shot and left as distractions for the walkers to aid escapes now? If you do you can bet the big boys will be lining up to join the farming team, lol!
What’s the ideal building complex to use as a base in your opinion? Describe the complex using one word only!
Funny stuff. Guess us big guys could be rear guard! My word: hight.
Yeah shane is losing his noodle....keep up the great work....time is still ticking on Sophia...
I’m late to the party here, re skills. I’m a professional gardener. I forage from the wild larder and know my edibles from my poisonous/toxic plants, (in the British Isles at least. Though many plants and mushrooms that grow here also grow in the states). I grew up and continue to live in the countryside. I spent most of my summer holidays working on farms. Poaching and scrumping are a way of life round my way. As a child I was an ok shot with a rifle, (before handguns and anything else fun and normal were banned in the uk). I love to cook and I brew my own beer and wine. I have a medieval every day drinking ale recipe, it’s not for getting drunk on, it’s a source of clean drinking water. I’m no expert, not by a long shot, but I cure and smoke my own salami and bacon. I don’t like the stuff much, but I’m currently looking into making cheese. I can weave baskets from willow. I can fish. I can manage woodland, (coppicing, charcoal making, etc). I know about salt fermenting foods, so your kimchi’s and sauerkraut‘ soft the world. That’s about it I think.
Well it sounds like you would make an excellent addition to our community!! Welcome to the Duo Fam!! - Lacey
Ale, salami, and bacon. That's a definite "Yes!" in my group's book.
In the time they were fighting Otis likely would have helped Shane get clear so it was a total d*ck move to assume he wouldn't but I get it, different world - different choices but to not even kill him outright as mercy...evil
Yeah, that just makes what he did even worse... he allowed that man to suffer a horrible death getting his flesh torn off by walkers! Just cold.... - Lacey
The scene where shane sacrificed otis always stays in my mind, saw it as a youngin for the first time.. watching back through, you can Hear shane tell otis to take his bag and go ahead, Shane was going to sacrifice himself.. but when otis refused to leave shane behind, thats when Shane says Im sorry and shoots him in the leg.. he knew one of them would have to die in order for the other to make a clean get away.. Shane would’ve died a hero, otis would’ve went on to tell the truth, but Otis made a fatal mistake, by not taking shanes pack and moving on ahead..
I'd be really nervous around some of these commenters in the ZA. Some seem like the kind who would shoot a traveler just for what's in his backpack.
Great reaction ! Y’all would love the Punisher series that Shane stars in on Netflix.
Otis had to be sacrificed for Carl he was only gonna get slower I don’t like the idea of it of course but it’s after he tried to sacrifice his own life I see it from Shane point of view a little more in that situation so if I was to go on a run like that I would make sure it’s someone who can keep up wit me
Waiting on some crazy moves to the theme. Missing those GoT dancing days...loved this, guys!
Maybe we will have to come up with something just for you Sophie LOL - Lacey
@@DuoReacts I would love that!
Great reaction as always!!
here we go!!
I am so enjoying seeing this again from the start. I wish I could erase my memory lol. I luv that Steve is hooked now too 😂 I’m a zombie horror nut like Lacey 😂
I know a Karen Davidson. Are you married to Mark?
No 😂😂I have a bf. Who is mark?
@@weekazaa3376 well, I have and Aunt Keren and Uncle Mark. :)
Steve, would you be a Rick or a Shane?
Lacey, would you want Steve to be like Rick or Shane?
LET'S UH DO IT! 😂
Another fantastic episode and reaction. There seem to be even more cracks in ol' Shane now. For better or for worse. I feel bad for Otis. He truly tried his best, but when dealing Marvel's Punisher, it's best to keep fit and keep moving. Not much more to add. I'll be patiently waiting for the next installment. Til' then, keep on keeping on.
Otis was NOT built for this new world apparently!! - Lacey
Shane was irredeemable to me after this episode.
Carl is a brilliant actor for so young a child.
ha! Full Metal Jacket is probably my all time favorite movie!! If not the top it's definitelt in the top 3. Loved your references to it , lol. Awesome
16:16 No he's not there until later :)
Great channel! I wanted to see if you all had considered doing Orange Is The New Black? The new (and final) season starts soon. Its a great show and I think you all would like it .
Vega, thank you for the suggestion!! I think we have only had a few others suggest that one, and it seems like one I personally would really like. Neither one of us have seen it, so we may consider reacting to that one on this channel! - Lacey
I really hope you guys react to Westworld pretty soon. Really good show and I think you'll love it.
This was such a huge moment in the early seasons for me. It was shocking, like despite everything Shane had done or thought of doing, he truly crossed a line this time. I don't know whether they would've made it out together or if that was the only way...
Loved your reactions as always!!
Would Shane l& Otis both survived if they had different weapons
like a stun gun something to zap the dead with
the fact that they're dead and have no blood flow, I'm not so sure a stun gun would do anything to their nervous system or muscles.
Amazing reaction guys.
Wish I could have had a Patreon. I would have been talking to you non-stop :D
Already waiting for Wednesday.
That situation with Shane u could say either side , as he was right for doing it as then he got to Carl by any means , but was obviously wrong for killing him for bait - they could have made it maybe
JHolland The point was is that Shane is the type of dude who won't take chances if he doesn't have to. He didn't mind killing a person if it meant a guaranteed getaway vs. just a chance they both make it. It was to show who Shane is at heart.
Prediction. Next episode will catch Lacey in the feels.
I love this show because it’s got everyone questioning their ethics if this apocalypse was actually going on
I see no evil!! I hear no evil!! @_@
Man poor otis
Shane does everything to help the people he loves and does not take any unnecessary risks. He optimizes his chances of survival in order to be able to help Carl. And if that means killing another person for it. He is a pragmatic. The look in the mirror shows the price that he unconsciously pays. He gets lost more and more in this way of survival. He made the decision late to kill Otis. The Walkers catch up with them because Otis isn't fast enough. So it becomes live feed as a distraction. The decision-making process started from the moment he lied to Otis with the remaining bullets. So he kept this option open. He would have taken Otis with him if it hadn't always looked worse for them. From his point of view, he did what was necessary to save Carl. The fact that otis was responsible for the whole situation also helped with the decision.
One thing I don't think you understand... A person can give a lot more blood than what an organized blood drive allows. Organized blood drives are operated on the basis of "how much blood can you give without more than marginal impact on your ability to function normally?" A person can give blood at a drive about every 56 days, because it will allow the body time to recover. But in a desperate situation a person can give much more in a short time, it simply means the person who gives the blood will be significantly weakened and vulnerable.
Enough blood for the kind of surgery Carl needed, without a proper operating room, full staff of a surgical team... Maybe, maybe not. But if it's your child that needs the blood, a decent parent takes the approach of "If it mean my child has a chance, take all you need."
Shane’s actions saved Carl’s life tho he had to
100% agree - duo mod team