Should You Deny Your Tier 3 Tower

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  • In this video we go over the topic of denying your tier 3 tower, and if it's the right decision or not. We also cover related points such as denying other structures, the mechanics of what towers offer, and the implications denying a tower can have on the game.
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  • @Vivect
    @Vivect 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +109

    To deny, or not to deny, that is the question.
    P.S. Lich can also heal towers with 25lvl talent "frost shield provides 50hp regen"

    • @zzadrianzz
      @zzadrianzz  12 วันที่ผ่านมา +38

      Oh shoot, you're right! I was thinking, hmm am I missing any other way to heal towers 🤔 and I guess I did. Thanks for pointing it out!

    • @graypatrick99
      @graypatrick99 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +24

      Nature's prophet can also heal towers with the sprout facet iirc

    • @nojiit2170
      @nojiit2170 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@zzadrianzz also new natures prophet facet can heal buildings

    • @EarthSpirit.easyzdota
      @EarthSpirit.easyzdota 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      The true 4d youtuber chess move. Gettin something wrong to farm interaction 🧠

    • @zipel
      @zipel 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@zzadrianzz yea unlucky how you missed important stuff in that zai video, still mad about that
      jk jk
      ( you might have adhd tho )

  • @Kamirasu
    @Kamirasu 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +82

    simple solution: play treant

    • @lordparthurnaax
      @lordparthurnaax 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Or bring back repair kit 😈

    • @Evoleo
      @Evoleo 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      And deny the tower

    • @YoutubesaysimCyberbully
      @YoutubesaysimCyberbully 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Fr except i hate treants kotls the most specially in my team, oh the ogre too…

    • @PrivilegeYT
      @PrivilegeYT 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      lich 25

    • @4plS1n
      @4plS1n 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Or nature's prophet (healing facet still works on towers, isn't it?)

  • @howlyfukk
    @howlyfukk 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +76

    "the only way to heal towers in the game"
    hold my sprouts, buddy..

    • @zzadrianzz
      @zzadrianzz  12 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

      Truuuue. Another one I forgot 🙈

    • @zeep5279
      @zeep5279 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Lich shield can too I think!

    • @inari3468
      @inari3468 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@zzadrianzz 25 lvl lich talent also heals towers

    • @Jack-sq9by
      @Jack-sq9by 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Furion

  • @Pseudonym660
    @Pseudonym660 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    Towers also break smokes. Without the T3, Smoke + Obs the highground becomes easier as the enemy team.

  • @Square-Atom
    @Square-Atom 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    I would love to have a mechanic that allows players to deny their own throne April 1st. Then we will have "Should you deny your throne?"

    • @Endall961
      @Endall961 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Mmr you lose is halved

    • @suyunbek1399
      @suyunbek1399 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@Endall961no, that would be too op. Maybe 5 mmr less?

    • @Square-Atom
      @Square-Atom 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@suyunbek1399 no, players will stuck in-game and who ever leave first lose MMR

    • @suyunbek1399
      @suyunbek1399 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Square-Atom is English your tenth language or smth?

    • @Square-Atom
      @Square-Atom 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@suyunbek1399 lol yeah I'm not native English speaker

  • @gorebello
    @gorebello 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Another consideration : don't deny towers if you know your enemy will go out of its best way to destroy it. Deny it when they do. That way you force them to commit to an area of the map, which opens farming space for your tem. That's a sup move

  • @LucklessLex
    @LucklessLex 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    0:20 THAT SICK TRANSITION THO

  • @salad3955
    @salad3955 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    6:14 nature prophet: am i a joke to you?

    • @clarksolarts2884
      @clarksolarts2884 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I was gonna say this haha

    • @zzadrianzz
      @zzadrianzz  12 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      You right you right. Don't sue plz, I forgot!

    • @belofost
      @belofost 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Well he kinda is

    • @salad3955
      @salad3955 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@belofost yeah nature is dogshit I thought he did it on purpose to shit on the hero lol

  • @eaglewarrior21
    @eaglewarrior21 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    So... pick Treant and deny all buildings, got it! 😂 jk, Great video Adrian! I've always felt a bit guilty by denying towers past the first one, now I understand there are some nuances 👍

  • @pockymatcha4050
    @pockymatcha4050 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    We need more macro knowledge video like this! great content!

  • @Number-yh3le
    @Number-yh3le 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Make an abstract of your research paper next time.

    • @tokudayo
      @tokudayo 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      For future references, the conclusion is at 3:35 😂

  • @alexthielke
    @alexthielke 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Is Lich lvl 25 Frost Shiel Provides Health Regen not working on buldings anymore? (it´s coming online late in the but its is/was technally a way to heal buildings if it still works) - ah i just notices you called it out before sorry

  • @damnt3iktai
    @damnt3iktai 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    the only answer is not to deny. always keep it to use with glyph as long as glyph is up or almost up, nevertheless, never deny tier 3 tower. if ur team has terrible wave clearer, or heroes that do not clear catapults, glyph is the best answer.
    this goes for tier 2 tower since glyph allows multishot to clear the wave. this was best utilised before the glyph refresh nerf, but it is still applicable.
    as for tier 1, arguably, never deny as well if u have the ability to defend it whenever enemy forces a fight to push the tower unless enemy is really good at pushing towers that your team cannot even afford to defend, denying is the best solution.

  • @mvpmickey1
    @mvpmickey1 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Miss the times you can deny Ancient.

  • @rafafanslau5120
    @rafafanslau5120 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Treant is not only option. Np can head building also.

  • @whiteegger2565
    @whiteegger2565 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Actual important note: Never deny ANY tier 1/tier 2 tower if all 3 of tier 1/ tier 2 are still up. You lose one of the glyph refresh by doing it and it has a great chance of losing you the game. Even if you have no glyph you effectively wasted the cooldown of the glyph.

  • @alanmarino404
    @alanmarino404 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Do you play Muerta?
    I would like a guide or one of the videos where you explore one or two abilities
    Also very good video

  • @mcdinkysgarage4514
    @mcdinkysgarage4514 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    When I first started a guy said you don't deny towers on high ground because if the enemy is willing to charge up a cliff, then they are strong enough that you need the bonus armor.

  • @MrManOverThere
    @MrManOverThere 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    New goated support duo: Natures Prophet and Treant Protector, heal all towers asap
    Never lose.
    I’ll need some of the mmr you gain.

  • @lincoln43267
    @lincoln43267 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    the main reason towers are denied at any tier is boredom. people cant take the loneliness of standing next to a tower. there desperate to get a attack off to see there attack animation. "look team i'm being useful" as you send pixel after pixel towards your tower then the ca ching as you get the same gold you can get from killing enemies. "the enemy wouldve killed it anyways" you say to yourself or team to gaslight them. when deep down everyone knows you just saved the enemy from having to kill it. which is precious time in a competitive game

  • @_dIIJAY
    @_dIIJAY 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    there is another reason to deny the mellee rax: if your team fights in toplane under t3 tower, and enemy goes aggressive into towerdive t3/t4, you can deny the rax on mid f.e. to get the glyph back and pressure more with 5 hit attacks from tower. maybe you can turn the fight with this and push mid to win condition. but thats high level pro thinking i guess... but this was on my mind right at the moment.

    • @jk-cw8ix
      @jk-cw8ix 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      u think like heradlo

  • @LHitmaN47
    @LHitmaN47 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Nature propthet now can heal the tower with sprout faceit , which in my thought better than 1 big treant, u get more treants to send scouting\pushing\pulling lanes plus the sprout heal and ofc lich lvl 25 talent

  • @imfinishedgrinding638
    @imfinishedgrinding638 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Another rng solution: Pray that Repair Kit neutral item returns in the next patch.

  • @iamphil159
    @iamphil159 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hope they add tower repair kits but it's only purchasable after 10 min into the game and has long CD to purchase another one.

  • @Ronin3453
    @Ronin3453 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    It's certainly less useful than denying your low hp grandpa.

  • @mariobautista8294
    @mariobautista8294 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    i love your IO guide

  • @Sushichese
    @Sushichese 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thanks ~

  • @_blinit1091
    @_blinit1091 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Usually my rule of thumb for denying a t3 tower is to estimate if next glyph will be up by the time enemy team will come hg again

  • @rykb
    @rykb 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Good video!
    Make the next video about should I deny myself

    • @zzadrianzz
      @zzadrianzz  12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      D:

    • @chandankumar10360
      @chandankumar10360 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      actually this is more profound question than it seems xd

  • @justincronkright5025
    @justincronkright5025 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    That 124 gold change (adding a double negative & a positive) I think is too worth it... unless of course you have even a few instances of Nature's Prophet AoE Heal, Treant Protectour, Lich Heal at 25. It alone could be the difference between a buyback for your team or a lack of one for the enemy.
    If your team doesn't have any sentries left, then of course a few situations are fine to keep it around.
    Also for denying tier 2s and such... Treants alongside some quick kill heroes that could snipe it & be elusive - I think make you have to decide whether to wait & do a gank on someone who might be trying this (less of a chance with mid tier 2 as opposed to the off-lane ones), but that requires co-ordination & a fair bit of standing around time/waiting to gank for a hypothetical situation. Just denying the tower would be the better option in 3/4-4/5s of those cases from my experience.

  • @BlueGlue1
    @BlueGlue1 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Can you do next : should you deny your last barrack to give enemies mega creeps

  • @SuBiBH
    @SuBiBH 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This guy has no emotion in his dialogue, like an AI.
    Amazing work!

  • @cinnamoonfang6104
    @cinnamoonfang6104 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I deny towers no matter the tier, I usually have some conditions before I decide to deny it:
    -IF glyph is on cooldown
    -Are your enemies forming around the lane that said tower is?
    -If your team actually is around to defend said tower, or if they're far away, do they have their TPs on cooldown?

  • @lincoln43267
    @lincoln43267 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    it's simple don't deny tier 3's
    if you want the gold go pick up a bounty rune or clear a wave
    the tower does everything it does at 5% health as it does at 100% health:
    vision
    tp spot
    gives a armr aura and regen aura that is worth more then its bounty even if hero's arent there it can defend your wave of creeps agaisnt a double wave
    in teamfights having the enemy have to position and then dedicate attacks to the tower gives you a big advantage think the cost to attack the supernova ward type thing
    the only situation in which to deny a tier three is you cant fight maybe 4 teammates are dead the enemy is a few seconds from killing it and you can safely deny it but you still give the enemy more time to kill further structures by killing it for them and all for a wave worth of gold..

  • @r3tg
    @r3tg 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    124 won't do much at late game so i don't think it worth denying

    • @macbobXD
      @macbobXD 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      deny only if you need glyph

  • @ajb132
    @ajb132 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    "the only way to heal towers in the game"
    As a litch spammer with really bad decision making ability, I'm offended

  • @coochiemane6571
    @coochiemane6571 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You can also heal towers with lich talent

  • @HalIOfFamer
    @HalIOfFamer 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Follow up video "should you deny your barracks?"

  • @Laitela69
    @Laitela69 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Lich with the 25 talent frost shield can also heal buildings

  • @Thepieslicer
    @Thepieslicer 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Natures prophet can also heal towers now

  • @m-box3521
    @m-box3521 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    "Олег" is being pronounced as "Oleg", last letter also makes sound.
    From Russia with love!

  • @TRASHTALKONLY
    @TRASHTALKONLY 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    thanks for your supports and mechanics guides brother im 6.2k immo now was 2k archon last September 2023. 😂😁

  • @TheRealTitanForge
    @TheRealTitanForge 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Lich can heal towers too but requires lvl 25 talent

  • @restushlogic5794
    @restushlogic5794 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    NP can also regen tower

  • @SB-in8rw
    @SB-in8rw 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Nature prophet can also heal towers from 7.36

  • @purplelotus531
    @purplelotus531 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I while back I had a veno do the best deny ever
    He denied our melee barracks
    It was our last barracks…

  • @Doflaminguard
    @Doflaminguard 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Denying T3 is actually bad. Its HG so they had to go up and without the tower, its a free push.

  • @mivaz6874
    @mivaz6874 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    deny everything is only way u wan to fast next game . if u not good performance at early and ur team are toxic just deny everything u can so can next game fast by 5-15 min

  • @cocwithtugsuu4007
    @cocwithtugsuu4007 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    actually u can deny ur meleee racks if ur enemy rushing throne u can glyph and deny melee racks and glyph again

  • @Sinsanities
    @Sinsanities 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I once all chat to convinced my enemy to deny their last melee barrack after a fail siege and team wipe, idk why they do it wither they already give up or just play along with the joke since it's unrank

    • @Sinsanities
      @Sinsanities 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Where ever you are, Storm, please know that I will always remember you as one of the most fun player I've ever played with or against 🫡

  • @jimmydorado8141
    @jimmydorado8141 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    We need an Earth Spirit's guide pls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @mariocruz591
    @mariocruz591 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Annswer is u don't because gold swing in denying tier 3 towers isn't worth it especially it only happens during mid to late game

  • @pingpong6956
    @pingpong6956 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    the true chads deny their barracks

  • @themikelou1
    @themikelou1 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Nature prophet new facet also heals towers

  • @manasbhattacharya9885
    @manasbhattacharya9885 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Does Open AI deny towers?

  • @IIIIITigerIIIII
    @IIIIITigerIIIII 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    If you deny ancient you win

  • @evilartnboy
    @evilartnboy 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I already knew you couldnt deny the ancient, dont ask how i know that

  • @vinsspak5550
    @vinsspak5550 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Lich can heal towers too.. after 25 lvl though

  • @m136dalie
    @m136dalie 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    If the ancient was deniable we would 100% see griefers & dumb players ending the game like that

  • @aaaaaaloe
    @aaaaaaloe 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    np can heal towers too

  • @xtianebernal
    @xtianebernal 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    NP and Lich can heal towers

  • @the_primal_instinct
    @the_primal_instinct 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Forgot to cover denying Aegis 😎

  • @alkria
    @alkria 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Can we have repair kit back

  • @Dmasterrrrrr
    @Dmasterrrrrr 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Lich level 25 incredible for healing towers

  • @leunibers
    @leunibers 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    NP can also heal towers but it's hilariously so low its not even useful

  • @rainchopper898
    @rainchopper898 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Should you deny your last barracks for gold?

  • @Harrison-vt2gt
    @Harrison-vt2gt 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    i deny rax always.... because its what you do after 20 years of dota

  • @vatyunga
    @vatyunga 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Honestly, thinking too much about such insignificant things during a game could make you a worse player. Focus on the things that actually matter.

  • @egorpanteleev6804
    @egorpanteleev6804 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    6:12 wrong
    Lich can heal buildings with a lvl 25 talent
    And Nature Prophet can heal towers with sprouts

  • @pocong3230
    @pocong3230 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Make a guide how to do meld strike please

    • @c10cky80
      @c10cky80 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      What is so hard about a meld strike?

  • @bird9188
    @bird9188 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think we all know the answer: maybeeeeeee

  • @polltegrais6457
    @polltegrais6457 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    buff towers petition !

  • @durere
    @durere 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I just came here to say that a long time ago, in a game, a teammate denied one of the barracks, and the game was over for me at that point.

  • @argo7155
    @argo7155 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Never deny, it's not worth