I'll vote dem in the election (after voting my beliefs in the primary) but libs.... I don't think the whole "u wanting to vote for trump is Russia propaganda" will work on anyone when 2020 rolls around
They'll make up for the Russiagate enthusiasm gap by voter-shaming disaffected former Democrats, smugly asking progressive Dems how they'll pay for Medicare For All, & vilifying Susan Sarandon some more. Yep they've really got their finger on the pulse of the electorate this time...
And what is so funny is that nobody is talking about Russia and the only thing we are talking about is amazon. Huh, funny that. Maybe this Bernie guy was on to something??
"Kissinger is a friend, and I relied on his counsel when I served as secretary of state. He checked in with me regularly, sharing astute observations." - Hillary Clinton
Not really. I'm one of the Russian people. I'm still pissed. I don't think we're synonymous of with the anti-socialist data drive people. I'm also a UK remain person. Because it's absolutely insane for the UK to leave the EU it was be a disaster. Similarly the thing I don't get about people who don't care about Russia. Not that we don't interfere in other countries elections or that America is truly democratic. But if foreign countries can just interfere in any Presidential election what is the fucking point of any of this? What is the point of talking about Sanders or what does it matter what the American people think? We should invest all of our time, energy and money into hacking into voter rolls of each state. If anyone can rig any election in new and unpredictable ways then there's no fucking point devoting energy to anything but doing that.
@@user-wg7nw3mh2e The election wasn't "rigged," the Russians just hacked into the DNC's emails and had bots make facebook posts. It literally doesn't change anything about this country.
@@user-wg7nw3mh2e Russia was just an excuse by DNC careerists to explain why they blew the biggest layup election of all time and you have to be a sucker to believe it
A year back I left a snarky comment on here, amazed they could not-care about the Great Russian Outrage. Now I'm amazed anyone could ever take it seriously. To be fair, it's been one heck of a year.
During Russiagate, I was one of the few people who called out the bullshit, not patting myself on the back; it wasn't hard to realize this was hysteria. How did people, the vast majority who were alive during WMD, not see their similarities? "Scoops," which under the slightest amount of scrutiny, turned into bullshit, all of which came out of the CIA/NSA/FBI Blob. Also, did people really think that Senile, the fattest, laziest man on the planet, Donald J Trump, was competent enough to pull a giant scam like Russiagate off?
And now we've got Russia's invasion of Ukraine, which the Chapos predicted wouldn't happen, but did, and morons are using that to invalidate their overall take that American imperialism remains, even in the wake of this, you know, bad. And particularly that America is a source of what's going on, so its institutions and goals are hardly going to be the solution, which is an ever more unacceptable take as the horrifying Iraq-style War Lib media buildup begins again.
That's so true about Remainiacs. There wasn't a second referendum in 1973 to check if the country really meant it, and the size of the majority was no larger then than it was to come out in 2016. Why should they get a second referendum, even if, or rather especially when that is what the European Commision and "negotiators" are aiming for, like they got a second referendum in Ireland about joining the Maastricht treaty. The more this goes on, the more I hate the EU as a repulsive, ruthless, anti-democratic, democracy-free neo-liberal cabal, and the more it proves to the whole of Europe that it needs to be scrubbed and started over as a federal democracy, not a corporate cartel.
You guys should cover the Russia story more..... but instead of hysteria, bathe in the tears of these monsters who refused to jail bankers and war criminals but expect the American people to now get upset that the fix didn’t go their way. More tears.
I fail to see both how those ideas could be derived from my post nor how they matter. What is, is. Defining precisely enough what is is the duality I think a lot of you missed in the OP.
Huh, this is something I quite deeply disagree with you on. I do understand the idea that there is nothing that is going to be done about this issue given that the wheels of power are currently republican leaning. But I dont get this "good for them" sentiment. I suppose what Im saying is that I know you feel like the integrity of the country is being shaved away by the influence of money and souless capitalism and in this time also the embrace of far right actual fascism. And to that I say that I agree and we should act against that in any way we could. But the presidents attempts to shame and castigate anyone who would hold him or his administration or businesses accountable go hand in hand with the attempts to escape culpability for seeking and accepting the aid of a hostile state. And that this too is destabilizing. Furthermore issues of cybersecurity like this one strike me much more than normal because its clear nothing is being done.
Russia should be an ally, perhaps if a president would treat it like one they wouldn't interfere in our elections, which I'd bet any 'meddling' had little to no effect. Russia has plenty of reason to hold animosity towards us right now. from sanctions, and destabilizing Syria, the Balkans and Ukraine. Just like trump's meeting with NK, I mostly see improving relations as a positive step towards preventing any sort of war, friggin tired of war.
Billy Mays Russia attacked us and continues to. Russia committed crimes and was sanctioned for them and they don’t like it. What you are suggesting is that we just forget that happened and let them go on their way. That is a mistake. These are corrupt oligarchs who are mad they have a hard time using their tainted money in Europe. They are attempting to undermine democracy itself everywhere they can. Ignoring this and acting like this isn’t a hostile power is wrong.
Evan di Leo The context here is that US crimes are far greater. There is no moral basis for the attacks on Russia (that is what sanctions are), it is purely about cynical application of power. It is also doubtful whether the sanctions are genuinely intended to shift Russian behaviour, as the real culprits are not being targeted - when the oligarchs’ assets in London and New York get seized (like Iran’s money was seized) then it’s real.
boggisthecat Jesús Christ, do you work for the kremlin or are you just a useful idiot? Yea let’s let a right authoritarian rise to power with the aid of a Russian authoritarian regime becuase the US did bad things in the past. Your moral relativism disgusts me. I hate to use this conservarive line but, go live in fucking Russia then if the US is such a shitty place.
TheRealFolkBlues316 I don’t live in the US, and wouldn’t want to because - yes - it is a “sh*tty place”. That situation is on you, not phantom Russians with superpowers that hypnotise Americans into voting for a failed businessman and all-round piece of sh*t human being. Take responsibility for your nation’s problems, and do something to address the real underlying issue - the ridiculous political system. The US has been a sh*t-show for most citizens since forever. Pretending that has anything to do with Pooty-poot (who has barely enough real power to stop neighbouring countries from starting wars, in reality - Georgia and the breakaway regions, and the Azerbaijan / Armenia disputes, in case you have no clue) is just a cop-out for pathetic losers. Well, unless you’re part of the political establishment that maintains this farcical rigged system, in which case you know where to go...
If a drone strike or terrorist attack kills a bunch of civilians in America I want all you “we do it too, so what” folks to keep that same energy. (You won’t)
I'm sorry I'm not following your argument. Are you saying that because Russia isn't at the top of most important issues to Americans that it doesn't matter if crimes were committed?
define mattering. does it matter to any appreciable segment of the american population? the answer is no. does it matter in the sense that it materially impacted the election? you can make the argument but evidence is really fucking thin on the ground. does it matter in the sense that it can be made to materially impact politics going forward, the answer is no. does it matter in the sense of some larger Woe Is Us Our Pure And Perfect Elections Have Been Tainted By An Outside Force? sure! does it break even the top 100 list as far as criminal behavior to corrupt the election process, no. as people who are interested in seeing a better country going forward, the argument advanced in the above clip is number three.
Bill Maher is saying, “Traitor, Traitor, Traitor !” It’s getting truly insane out there, everyone. (... and I thought that Robert and Rebecca Mercer made Trump President.)
I'm still in favour of a second referendum. Best of two is fair enough, but for a decision this large (and for those of you who don't know, it is actually MUCH more significant than the decision to elect trump) I think a serious and thorough understanding of the consequences is necessary. If my people still want to drive the country off a cliff now that they've actually looked over the edge, then that's fine, that's democracy. But voting for something like this is basically unprecedented in our history and not something to be taken lightly with a 5 min Google search the night before. It's not like regular elections, the effects will be deep and extremely long lasting. There won't be anyone to get in 4 to 8 years later to reverse it all.
Around 9:30: If Obama had been in Putin's pocket, the right would, in fact, have cared more about that than their jobs and health care. Also, may I point out, gently, that if you want Trump out of power, genuine public outrage over Putin's meddling might go a ways toward accomplishing that. (And don't give me that shit about HRC being a toxic corporatist liberal; she might have actually tried to do something about Flint's water, for a start.)
LOL how did that work out? Every single left-wing critic of Russiagate was proven right. Russia's "Meddling" was a whopping $100k in some fucking memes. Crowdstrike under oath admitted no proof of Russia and the DNC hack. Honest question, after WMD, how did you not see the parallels between that and Russiagate?
Like, I get thinking it's too over-covered, or that it's not a winning electoral issue, or whatever, but saying no one cares and it doesn't mean anything is kind of fucked up, and really makes me question your position on this.
Okay, so let me get this straight- the only reason to care about Russian interference is if it polls high, because elections are all that should matter to Democrats....but being anti-Amazon is critically important? Let's have a poll on that.
Eric Camacho The hosts on RT America can’t get work on other networks because they’re all right-wing, neoliberal, corporate propaganda outlets. It isn’t really a reflection on RT America’s progressive agenda so much as it being the ‘gap in the market’.
Will never understand the argument: "America has interfered with elections in other countries, so who cares if other countries interfere in ours?" But it is one of the right wing talking points, so good job Chapo.
missing it. the argument that it only becomes unacceptable to buy an election if you're not on the approved buyers list is incoherent neoliberal stupidity, and is treated with the correct amount of contempt. the russia story is an effortlessly defused dead end as far as the left is concerned precisely because the second you start talking about foreign influence in elections beyond Russia, Haim Saban and Mohammed Bin Salman make a few calls. and miraculously, the Cory Bookers of the world are suddenly *very* concerned about the regulatory state interfering with lobbying procedures. the modern democracy, on one level or another, accepts foreign meddling in elections as the price of doing business. which is most of why less than 0.5% of the population is afraid of it. oh no. someone bought out a politician? *and they didn't do it by giving him speaking engagements?* not a message that plays anywhere outside the beltway cocktail circuit.
I guess I am missing that argument because I have never seen anyone make it, but kudos deriding an argument that wasn't made. Also, unless you have something else, poll I'm aware of that is lined up with your claim that .5% of the population is worried about Russian interference *does not say that.* It says that less than 1% of the population considers it the *biggest problem facing the US,* which is different for reasons I hope I don't have to explain. news.gallup.com/poll/237392/satisfaction-important-problem-trends.aspx But misrepresentation of that poll aside, it's also irrelevant to the issue of whether it *should* be worrying to the American people. So I guess, I don't really know what you're saying/responding to here.
Todd Ewing did you miss the people proudly cashing checks from foreign powers attempting to grandstand about how dare the Russians interfere with our elections there is a reason that Hillary's accusing Trump of being a Russian puppet, to his face, landed with all the stopping power of a wet fart. nobody outside culturally liberal white professionals is under any illusions that politicians are not bought and paid for. look at the people at trump rallies wearing shirts proudly crowing about how if Russia brought them Trump, they love Russia. it is absolutely true that someone with a lot of money and power and no incentive to give a shit about your opinion messed with our elections. and this meddling was a bad thing. 99.5%+ of Americans, when told this, will respond with a variation on "also, water is wet. you going anywhere with this?" we are sorry it took so long for you to figure this out. if you would like to address this problem going forward, can I interest you in some candidates interested in getting big money's influence out of politics? there's this nice lady in New York who unseated an absolute slime of a real estate guy by talking a lot about jobs, opportunity, and addressing her constituents' problems. she seems to have her head on straight.
I'm genuinely confused as to why you responded to me, as far as I can tell you now agree with my original statement? But you've added in a bunch of other issues you're obviously concerned with, in the future you can respond to a relevant comment or start your own thread. I share your issues about money in politics, although I don't make wild assertions that I know how 99.5% of Americans feel. Anyway, I wish you the best typing angrily away with all your built in assumptions of what others know and feel. And I wish the best for Ocasio-Cortez.
it is good to see your memory has returned, from back when you said you'd never seen anyone say "buying elections the way the russians did is bad, unlike buying elections the way DuPont, Goldman Sachs, Likud, and the Sauds do." consider how bad a line of attack must be for Donald Trump, ad-libbing, to be able to perfectly turn it around with "nuh-uh. you're the puppet." consider how blindingly fucking stupid you would have to be to say "hey, maybe if we yell about it some more he'll stop being able to do that." consider the poor saps still trying to do exactly that, and wringing their hands about how ~dare~ those insouciant podcast boys say "this does not matter."
You guys act awful self-righteous as you claim no one cares about Russia then spend 20 minutes going after people who care about Russia which you clearly care about or wouldn't be talking about it as passionately as you do. Screaming at people, for screaming at people on Twitter, from your TH-cam Perch I guess that's better though...huh?
@@JulianPerez-zv6os The fact that idiots fell for the lies, from the same fucking people and institutions that told us Saddam was-in-bed-with- Bin Laden- and was going to give him a nuke is incredible. How did they not see the parallels between WMD and Russiagate.
When they say 'people' don't care, they don't mean that people aren't mad on Twitter. They mean that it won't change anyone's vote, which they were absolutely correct about
"McCain is going to be dead in six weeks"
*Actually dies 24 days after this video was uploaded*
Curb your Time Estimation.
It’s Chapo fault for the death of this American hero
this is the first out of two times Matt has predicted somebody dying
that I know of
I'll vote dem in the election (after voting my beliefs in the primary) but libs.... I don't think the whole "u wanting to vote for trump is Russia propaganda" will work on anyone when 2020 rolls around
They'll make up for the Russiagate enthusiasm gap by voter-shaming disaffected former Democrats, smugly asking progressive Dems how they'll pay for Medicare For All, & vilifying Susan Sarandon some more. Yep they've really got their finger on the pulse of the electorate this time...
Did you vote for Joe Biden? LMAO
This holds up a whole lot better than when it came out. They were right I was wrong
I used to be a Libertarian, everyone makes mistakes.
And what is so funny is that nobody is talking about Russia and the only thing we are talking about is amazon. Huh, funny that. Maybe this Bernie guy was on to something??
This ages better and better >>>>>
Trump and Putin sittin' in a tree. K-I-S-S-I-N-G-E-R.
"Kissinger is a friend, and I relied on his counsel when I served as secretary of state. He checked in with me regularly, sharing astute observations." - Hillary Clinton
“George Racism University”
This aged like... a fine wine :).
Warmly Calculated that it did
Not really. I'm one of the Russian people. I'm still pissed. I don't think we're synonymous of with the anti-socialist data drive people. I'm also a UK remain person. Because it's absolutely insane for the UK to leave the EU it was be a disaster.
Similarly the thing I don't get about people who don't care about Russia. Not that we don't interfere in other countries elections or that America is truly democratic. But if foreign countries can just interfere in any Presidential election what is the fucking point of any of this? What is the point of talking about Sanders or what does it matter what the American people think? We should invest all of our time, energy and money into hacking into voter rolls of each state.
If anyone can rig any election in new and unpredictable ways then there's no fucking point devoting energy to anything but doing that.
@@user-wg7nw3mh2e The election wasn't "rigged," the Russians just hacked into the DNC's emails and had bots make facebook posts. It literally doesn't change anything about this country.
@@user-wg7nw3mh2e Russia was just an excuse by DNC careerists to explain why they blew the biggest layup election of all time and you have to be a sucker to believe it
@@user-wg7nw3mh2e also, the EU is a mechanism for exploitation that exists to make socialism impossible
A year back I left a snarky comment on here, amazed they could not-care about the Great Russian Outrage. Now I'm amazed anyone could ever take it seriously. To be fair, it's been one heck of a year.
During Russiagate, I was one of the few people who called out the bullshit, not patting myself on the back; it wasn't hard to realize this was hysteria. How did people, the vast majority who were alive during WMD, not see their similarities? "Scoops," which under the slightest amount of scrutiny, turned into bullshit, all of which came out of the CIA/NSA/FBI Blob.
Also, did people really think that Senile, the fattest, laziest man on the planet, Donald J Trump, was competent enough to pull a giant scam like Russiagate off?
@@shanemac1646 it was easier to believe Russia hacked our election than so many Americans could be so dumb as to believe a word Trump said.
And now we've got Russia's invasion of Ukraine, which the Chapos predicted wouldn't happen, but did, and morons are using that to invalidate their overall take that American imperialism remains, even in the wake of this, you know, bad. And particularly that America is a source of what's going on, so its institutions and goals are hardly going to be the solution, which is an ever more unacceptable take as the horrifying Iraq-style War Lib media buildup begins again.
That's so true about Remainiacs. There wasn't a second referendum in 1973 to check if the country really meant it, and the size of the majority was no larger then than it was to come out in 2016. Why should they get a second referendum, even if, or rather especially when that is what the European Commision and "negotiators" are aiming for, like they got a second referendum in Ireland about joining the Maastricht treaty. The more this goes on, the more I hate the EU as a repulsive, ruthless, anti-democratic, democracy-free neo-liberal cabal, and the more it proves to the whole of Europe that it needs to be scrubbed and started over as a federal democracy, not a corporate cartel.
Turns out, it really was pretty much nothing.
You guys should cover the Russia story more.....
but instead of hysteria, bathe in the tears of these monsters who refused to jail bankers and war criminals but expect the American people to now get upset that the fix didn’t go their way.
More tears.
James Alford You only hate neolibs cuz they got a mooley elected. Try knitting...
So you support Trump?So you support Russian right wing authoritarians illegally aiding American right wing wannabe authoritarians?
I fail to see both how those ideas could be derived from my post nor how they matter.
What is, is. Defining precisely enough what is is the duality I think a lot of you missed in the OP.
Amber killed it here.
We have got a cheeto in chief!
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner." - Thomas Jefferson
Huh, this is something I quite deeply disagree with you on. I do understand the idea that there is nothing that is going to be done about this issue given that the wheels of power are currently republican leaning. But I dont get this "good for them" sentiment.
I suppose what Im saying is that I know you feel like the integrity of the country is being shaved away by the influence of money and souless capitalism and in this time also the embrace of far right actual fascism. And to that I say that I agree and we should act against that in any way we could.
But the presidents attempts to shame and castigate anyone who would hold him or his administration or businesses accountable go hand in hand with the attempts to escape culpability for seeking and accepting the aid of a hostile state. And that this too is destabilizing.
Furthermore issues of cybersecurity like this one strike me much more than normal because its clear nothing is being done.
Russia should be an ally, perhaps if a president would treat it like one they wouldn't interfere in our elections, which I'd bet any 'meddling' had little to no effect. Russia has plenty of reason to hold animosity towards us right now. from sanctions, and destabilizing Syria, the Balkans and Ukraine. Just like trump's meeting with NK, I mostly see improving relations as a positive step towards preventing any sort of war, friggin tired of war.
Billy Mays Russia attacked us and continues to. Russia committed crimes and was sanctioned for them and they don’t like it. What you are suggesting is that we just forget that happened and let them go on their way. That is a mistake.
These are corrupt oligarchs who are mad they have a hard time using their tainted money in Europe. They are attempting to undermine democracy itself everywhere they can. Ignoring this and acting like this isn’t a hostile power is wrong.
Evan di Leo
The context here is that US crimes are far greater. There is no moral basis for the attacks on Russia (that is what sanctions are), it is purely about cynical application of power.
It is also doubtful whether the sanctions are genuinely intended to shift Russian behaviour, as the real culprits are not being targeted - when the oligarchs’ assets in London and New York get seized (like Iran’s money was seized) then it’s real.
boggisthecat Jesús Christ, do you work for the kremlin or are you just a useful idiot? Yea let’s let a right authoritarian rise to power with the aid of a Russian authoritarian regime becuase the US did bad things in the past. Your moral relativism disgusts me. I hate to use this conservarive line but, go live in fucking Russia then if the US is such a shitty place.
TheRealFolkBlues316
I don’t live in the US, and wouldn’t want to because - yes - it is a “sh*tty place”. That situation is on you, not phantom Russians with superpowers that hypnotise Americans into voting for a failed businessman and all-round piece of sh*t human being. Take responsibility for your nation’s problems, and do something to address the real underlying issue - the ridiculous political system.
The US has been a sh*t-show for most citizens since forever. Pretending that has anything to do with Pooty-poot (who has barely enough real power to stop neighbouring countries from starting wars, in reality - Georgia and the breakaway regions, and the Azerbaijan / Armenia disputes, in case you have no clue) is just a cop-out for pathetic losers. Well, unless you’re part of the political establishment that maintains this farcical rigged system, in which case you know where to go...
This is interesting to look back on post-Muller report
"And that's all I have to say about that." Will going total Forrest Gump at the end lol
8:09 they fucking called mccain's death
amber went off in this ep
U esrned my sub around 12 mins in, great job
I'd like to hear about business involvement in academic, political and media networks more.
Have you read Lewis Lapham's essay Tentacles of Rage? Available free online.
the mccain bit....matt on the fucking money jfc
Better riff: a nevergreen tweet
If a drone strike or terrorist attack kills a bunch of civilians in America I want all you “we do it too, so what” folks to keep that same energy. (You won’t)
Who cares though, our policy creates shit like that.
They also say we shouldn't have responded after 9/11, so yes they actually do
Thank God chapo isn't a bunch of raving conspiracists
Oh my fucking God I loved everything about this clip
I'm sorry I'm not following your argument. Are you saying that because Russia isn't at the top of most important issues to Americans that it doesn't matter if crimes were committed?
define mattering.
does it matter to any appreciable segment of the american population? the answer is no.
does it matter in the sense that it materially impacted the election? you can make the argument but evidence is really fucking thin on the ground.
does it matter in the sense that it can be made to materially impact politics going forward, the answer is no.
does it matter in the sense of some larger Woe Is Us Our Pure And Perfect Elections Have Been Tainted By An Outside Force? sure!
does it break even the top 100 list as far as criminal behavior to corrupt the election process, no.
as people who are interested in seeing a better country going forward, the argument advanced in the above clip is number three.
God, this is good.
lol
Definite sidetrack, but could someone explain the joke in the episode title?
It's a reference to the AAMCO commercial.
Bill Maher is saying, “Traitor, Traitor, Traitor !”
It’s getting truly insane out there, everyone.
(... and I thought that Robert and Rebecca Mercer made Trump President.)
EXCUSE ME SIR
Ooof
I'm still in favour of a second referendum. Best of two is fair enough, but for a decision this large (and for those of you who don't know, it is actually MUCH more significant than the decision to elect trump) I think a serious and thorough understanding of the consequences is necessary. If my people still want to drive the country off a cliff now that they've actually looked over the edge, then that's fine, that's democracy. But voting for something like this is basically unprecedented in our history and not something to be taken lightly with a 5 min Google search the night before. It's not like regular elections, the effects will be deep and extremely long lasting. There won't be anyone to get in 4 to 8 years later to reverse it all.
This video didn't age well.
lol it’s aged great. Just like with Russiagate nobody now cares about Ukraine war.
Around 9:30: If Obama had been in Putin's pocket, the right would, in fact, have cared more about that than their jobs and health care. Also, may I point out, gently, that if you want Trump out of power, genuine public outrage over Putin's meddling might go a ways toward accomplishing that. (And don't give me that shit about HRC being a toxic corporatist liberal; she might have actually tried to do something about Flint's water, for a start.)
LOL how did that work out? Every single left-wing critic of Russiagate was proven right. Russia's "Meddling" was a whopping $100k in some fucking memes. Crowdstrike under oath admitted no proof of Russia and the DNC hack.
Honest question, after WMD, how did you not see the parallels between that and Russiagate?
Where the fuck am I
... I DO!
Nah chapo this ain't it.
Keith
You're a neocon troll
Guess it turned out the Chapo boys were right all along and you were a dunce
Must be so embarrassing to be so wrong
@@JulianPerez-zv6os wrong about what? they literally interfered in our elections lol thats a fact
@@idontwantone132 They weren't why Trump won, that's an excuse for why everyone rejects your awful politics, lib
Like, I get thinking it's too over-covered, or that it's not a winning electoral issue, or whatever, but saying no one cares and it doesn't mean anything is kind of fucked up, and really makes me question your position on this.
It doesn't mean anything and and no one cares.
Please don’t say yas queen even ironically
I worked at Amazon for a year and it wasn't that bad.
Then why aren’t you still working there?
Okay, so let me get this straight- the only reason to care about Russian interference is if it polls high, because elections are all that should matter to Democrats....but being anti-Amazon is critically important? Let's have a poll on that.
Yo. I just got an advertisement for something called "Blaze TV," the Chapo peeps should look into it.
A TV channel devoted to lighting up?! Sign me the hell up!
Hey Karina, when's the last time you shopped at Amazon? Put your money where mouth is unless you just like the sound of your voice. "tantrum" "scold"
didn't these guys go on RT? lmao
RT America yes on the Jessie Ventura Show. RT America hosts mainly leftwing and libertarian people who oppose Trump btw .
Yes. They are Russian sleeper cells just like Glenn Greenwald, Nina Turner, Bernie Sanders, and anyone to the left of Joe Mansion.
Eric Camacho
The hosts on RT America can’t get work on other networks because they’re all right-wing, neoliberal, corporate propaganda outlets.
It isn’t really a reflection on RT America’s progressive agenda so much as it being the ‘gap in the market’.
Did you just confirm everything they point out about red-scare tactics? LMAO
modernmystic ya but this time it's totally real dood
Will never understand the argument: "America has interfered with elections in other countries, so who cares if other countries interfere in ours?" But it is one of the right wing talking points, so good job Chapo.
missing it. the argument that it only becomes unacceptable to buy an election if you're not on the approved buyers list is incoherent neoliberal stupidity, and is treated with the correct amount of contempt.
the russia story is an effortlessly defused dead end as far as the left is concerned precisely because the second you start talking about foreign influence in elections beyond Russia, Haim Saban and Mohammed Bin Salman make a few calls. and miraculously, the Cory Bookers of the world are suddenly *very* concerned about the regulatory state interfering with lobbying procedures. the modern democracy, on one level or another, accepts foreign meddling in elections as the price of doing business.
which is most of why less than 0.5% of the population is afraid of it. oh no. someone bought out a politician? *and they didn't do it by giving him speaking engagements?*
not a message that plays anywhere outside the beltway cocktail circuit.
I guess I am missing that argument because I have never seen anyone make it, but kudos deriding an argument that wasn't made.
Also, unless you have something else, poll I'm aware of that is lined up with your claim that .5% of the population is worried about Russian interference *does not say that.* It says that less than 1% of the population considers it the *biggest problem facing the US,* which is different for reasons I hope I don't have to explain.
news.gallup.com/poll/237392/satisfaction-important-problem-trends.aspx
But misrepresentation of that poll aside, it's also irrelevant to the issue of whether it *should* be worrying to the American people. So I guess, I don't really know what you're saying/responding to here.
Todd Ewing did you miss the people proudly cashing checks from foreign powers attempting to grandstand about how dare the Russians interfere with our elections
there is a reason that Hillary's accusing Trump of being a Russian puppet, to his face, landed with all the stopping power of a wet fart. nobody outside culturally liberal white professionals is under any illusions that politicians are not bought and paid for.
look at the people at trump rallies wearing shirts proudly crowing about how if Russia brought them Trump, they love Russia.
it is absolutely true that someone with a lot of money and power and no incentive to give a shit about your opinion messed with our elections. and this meddling was a bad thing.
99.5%+ of Americans, when told this, will respond with a variation on "also, water is wet. you going anywhere with this?"
we are sorry it took so long for you to figure this out. if you would like to address this problem going forward, can I interest you in some candidates interested in getting big money's influence out of politics? there's this nice lady in New York who unseated an absolute slime of a real estate guy by talking a lot about jobs, opportunity, and addressing her constituents' problems. she seems to have her head on straight.
I'm genuinely confused as to why you responded to me, as far as I can tell you now agree with my original statement? But you've added in a bunch of other issues you're obviously concerned with, in the future you can respond to a relevant comment or start your own thread. I share your issues about money in politics, although I don't make wild assertions that I know how 99.5% of Americans feel.
Anyway, I wish you the best typing angrily away with all your built in assumptions of what others know and feel. And I wish the best for Ocasio-Cortez.
it is good to see your memory has returned, from back when you said you'd never seen anyone say "buying elections the way the russians did is bad, unlike buying elections the way DuPont, Goldman Sachs, Likud, and the Sauds do."
consider how bad a line of attack must be for Donald Trump, ad-libbing, to be able to perfectly turn it around with "nuh-uh. you're the puppet."
consider how blindingly fucking stupid you would have to be to say "hey, maybe if we yell about it some more he'll stop being able to do that."
consider the poor saps still trying to do exactly that, and wringing their hands about how ~dare~ those insouciant podcast boys say "this does not matter."
You guys act awful self-righteous as you claim no one cares about Russia then spend 20 minutes going after people who care about Russia which you clearly care about or wouldn't be talking about it as passionately as you do. Screaming at people, for screaming at people on Twitter, from your TH-cam Perch I guess that's better though...huh?
Russia was utterly boring and went nowhere. They were right all along
@@JulianPerez-zv6os The fact that idiots fell for the lies, from the same fucking people and institutions that told us Saddam was-in-bed-with- Bin Laden- and was going to give him a nuke is incredible. How did they not see the parallels between WMD and Russiagate.
When they say 'people' don't care, they don't mean that people aren't mad on Twitter. They mean that it won't change anyone's vote, which they were absolutely correct about