Thank you my friend! While there are colors-reversed variations within the Pioneer, for this specific variation that I show here, it is only viable from the red side. In the next variation, I'll show more from white's perspective, as I believe it (25-22) to be the strong attack.
@@azcheckers Hi! I tried the Pioneer a couple of times, looks promising. But: after 9-14, the response is often 22-18. At that point I wonder what the next best move might be: 5-9 to back up my piece on 14 while destroying my double corner at the same time, or 6-9. In both cases the opponent has an advantage being in the center. Most of the time I opted for 11-15 letting him jump and trying to gain control of the center. Maybe you have a recommendation here. Thank you!
@@majomajo2332 Hello my friend! Yes, that is the classic Double Corner opening (9-14, 22-18), and I cover it in detail here: th-cam.com/video/Q94gGgQwxKI/w-d-xo.html The 6-9 reply transposes into 10-14, 22-18, 6-10, which requires a lot of technical knowledge for red, and the 11-15 reply that you played is a good alternative too, and one I favored when I first started playing. But the 5-9 cover-up is undoubtedly the best reply after 22-18.
I prefer 16-20 instead of the 11-15 in order to complicate the game more. But 11-15 definitely nice if you just looking to take the easy draw. I would also mention that 8-11 instead of 14-18 at the end there would lose for red. Thanks for the video!
Thanks, Joe! I agree, 16-20 is probably technically better, with complications and winning chances for both sides. I chose to highlight 11-15 for two reasons: The first being I find it to be the most restrictive move on the board, and can force the ending quickly. The second reason is that continues with the general theme in this Pioneer variation: a direct attack on your opponent's double corner via the center. And you're right about the ending, too -- that's why after 3-8 it's best not to mess around even with 2-7 and just play 14-18 for the quick draw.
@@MrAM4D3U5 I believe American Checker Federation uses a variation of the ELO rating system. Ratings in the checkers world have been through much debate and many changes over the past couple of decades. You will find the highest rated checker player in the world is 2333, and everyone else falling below the 2300 threshold (that player is a grandmaster, but not a world champion). You can find the full ratings list here: www.usacheckers.com/ratings/index.php . These ACF ratings are the only active checkers ratings in the game today.
So I have a question, but I'm not exactly sure how to phrase it, but I think you'll know where I am going with this. How much memorization is a part of your game, as opposed to pure strategy? I know that for myself, who is not a book player and who has very little knowledge of book moves and lines and openings, my game is pure strategy and recognizing patterns I suppose. But for master players at levels like yourself, Ryan, do you rely on memorization until someone goes off book? Obviously memorizing these lines and openings is extremely difficult. But if two masterplayers know each line perfectly, does that lead to a boring game? What are you thoughts on this? Obviously this is not always the case, because I've watched many of yours and Alex's games and things go sideways very often.
I really appreciate this question, and I'll do my best to answer. I'll start by quoting Marion Tinsley who said, "Checkers is about what you can see, rather than what you can remember." While having a good memory will give you an advantage in checkers, it's not everything. When I study literature, I don't memorize the specific moves per se, rather the idea and theme of the moves. In 3-move play, there are 156 different openings, and just about every one of those openings has a specific or unique idea / theme / strategy to it. Things like "defend square 15 at all cost" or "developing out of your double corner to attack the single corner is best," etc. Once it is understood what the general strategy is, it's up to you on how to best deploy it. Studying published play helps to see what others have done and learn from past mistakes. There are also some openings that are so critical, and precise moves and technical knowledge are required to survive (Double Cross, Octopus, Skull Cracker, and the "Golden Dozen" openings are some examples). All things being equal, if your opponent has published play knowledge, then they will win more times than not. Knowledge is power, and this is absolutely true in checkers. Because of the scope of 3-move, most tournament level players today will usually have original games and not follow published play lines of old. I think the biggest reason for this is 1) playing aggressive and trying to win / get off the beaten path; and 2) Published play just isn't as well known or studied. There is also a big psychological element in tournament play that isn't discussed as much. If a player is well-posted in published play, then the best chance to win might be taking him or her off book early in the game. The opposite is true if your opponent does not know published play well, but is a strong cross-board player. This is a great topic, and would like to dive deeper into, so if you have any additional questions, please let me know!
@@aclearpathtofollow8878 Thank you, and I appreciate you bringing this subject up! I have some additional thoughts, including what separates world class players from master class players, and I've narrowed it down to three traits: 1) Superior end game positional play and strategic execution 2) Ingenuity 3) Superior and technical published play knowledge Taking a deeper dive into all of this is something I would like to do. I'll bring up this subject in a live stream with Alex at the tournament next month to discuss further (hopefully the wifi will cooperate).
Hi mate i try this again expert cpu and cpu just seems to overcome it and get me in situations where i end up losing all my pieces to one stupid move i do wrong. I start out good with this strat but cpu does other moves do i always play from my single corner never touch double corner unless im forced or have too. Keep up good vids i dropped a sub! :)
Thanks for watching, and I will be glad to assist here! If you are able to provide the move sequence in your games against the CPU, I can provide some helpful feedback! Your overall strategy of playing from your single corner and protecting your double corner is a good start, for sure!
@@azcheckers but also i use that pioneer strat i move into middle and try move from my single corner up so its in formation if you get what i mean but cpu always seems to force me to jump and gets me in bad positions all the time so he can jump 2/3
@@rjexe1713 Interesting ... if you are using the moves shown in this series, that shouldn't happen! If you are able to record the game via video or even numerical notation, I can further assist!
@@azcheckers the ai seems to make different moves to you being white i mean in all honestly i have not watch all moves for the pioneer system yet so maybe thats why
Yes, often times players don't follow standard published play. Understanding the "why" behind the moves will help you capitalize when your opponents play an inferior or losing line of play. This can take many years of practice, and doesn't happen overnight!
Very good as usual. Thank you Ryan.
Thanks, Johnny! I appreciate that!
Beautiful demonstration as always, Good work Ryan. :)
Thank you for the kind words, my friend! Always appreciate seeing your comments!
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Many thanks, Julio! I hope you will enjoy this series on the Pioneer System. Always appreciate your comments and feedback!
Again, great stuff! Thanka for this video. Does it work for the white side as well? I guess not as the momentum isn' t there
Thank you my friend! While there are colors-reversed variations within the Pioneer, for this specific variation that I show here, it is only viable from the red side. In the next variation, I'll show more from white's perspective, as I believe it (25-22) to be the strong attack.
@@azcheckers Hi! I tried the Pioneer a couple of times, looks promising. But: after 9-14, the response is often 22-18. At that point I wonder what the next best move might be: 5-9 to back up my piece on 14 while destroying my double corner at the same time, or 6-9. In both cases the opponent has an advantage being in the center. Most of the time I opted for 11-15 letting him jump and trying to gain control of the center. Maybe you have a recommendation here. Thank you!
@@majomajo2332 Hello my friend! Yes, that is the classic Double Corner opening (9-14, 22-18), and I cover it in detail here: th-cam.com/video/Q94gGgQwxKI/w-d-xo.html
The 6-9 reply transposes into 10-14, 22-18, 6-10, which requires a lot of technical knowledge for red, and the 11-15 reply that you played is a good alternative too, and one I favored when I first started playing. But the 5-9 cover-up is undoubtedly the best reply after 22-18.
Hello my teacher,,
Sorry may you upload the blanks express opened please
Hello! Yes, the Bronx Express is certainly on my list of openings to cover. Please stay tuned!
@@azcheckers thanks my teacher am from Tanzania may you please give me ur WhatsApp number if you don't mind
@@ayubchewe2149 That's fantastic! I don't have WhatsApp, but am happy to communicate here on this channel.
I prefer 16-20 instead of the 11-15 in order to complicate the game more. But 11-15 definitely nice if you just looking to take the easy draw. I would also mention that 8-11 instead of 14-18 at the end there would lose for red. Thanks for the video!
Thanks, Joe! I agree, 16-20 is probably technically better, with complications and winning chances for both sides. I chose to highlight 11-15 for two reasons: The first being I find it to be the most restrictive move on the board, and can force the ending quickly. The second reason is that continues with the general theme in this Pioneer variation: a direct attack on your opponent's double corner via the center. And you're right about the ending, too -- that's why after 3-8 it's best not to mess around even with 2-7 and just play 14-18 for the quick draw.
I had no idea people played checkers like this . Interesting.
I hope you enjoyed it! And yes, there are professionals in checkers just like in other board games.
@@azcheckers Yes, I did! Out of curiosity, is there an ELO rating system ?
@@MrAM4D3U5 I believe American Checker Federation uses a variation of the ELO rating system. Ratings in the checkers world have been through much debate and many changes over the past couple of decades. You will find the highest rated checker player in the world is 2333, and everyone else falling below the 2300 threshold (that player is a grandmaster, but not a world champion). You can find the full ratings list here: www.usacheckers.com/ratings/index.php . These ACF ratings are the only active checkers ratings in the game today.
So I have a question, but I'm not exactly sure how to phrase it, but I think you'll know where I am going with this. How much memorization is a part of your game, as opposed to pure strategy? I know that for myself, who is not a book player and who has very little knowledge of book moves and lines and openings, my game is pure strategy and recognizing patterns I suppose. But for master players at levels like yourself, Ryan, do you rely on memorization until someone goes off book? Obviously memorizing these lines and openings is extremely difficult. But if two masterplayers know each line perfectly, does that lead to a boring game? What are you thoughts on this? Obviously this is not always the case, because I've watched many of yours and Alex's games and things go sideways very often.
I really appreciate this question, and I'll do my best to answer. I'll start by quoting Marion Tinsley who said, "Checkers is about what you can see, rather than what you can remember." While having a good memory will give you an advantage in checkers, it's not everything. When I study literature, I don't memorize the specific moves per se, rather the idea and theme of the moves. In 3-move play, there are 156 different openings, and just about every one of those openings has a specific or unique idea / theme / strategy to it. Things like "defend square 15 at all cost" or "developing out of your double corner to attack the single corner is best," etc. Once it is understood what the general strategy is, it's up to you on how to best deploy it.
Studying published play helps to see what others have done and learn from past mistakes. There are also some openings that are so critical, and precise moves and technical knowledge are required to survive (Double Cross, Octopus, Skull Cracker, and the "Golden Dozen" openings are some examples). All things being equal, if your opponent has published play knowledge, then they will win more times than not. Knowledge is power, and this is absolutely true in checkers.
Because of the scope of 3-move, most tournament level players today will usually have original games and not follow published play lines of old. I think the biggest reason for this is 1) playing aggressive and trying to win / get off the beaten path; and 2) Published play just isn't as well known or studied. There is also a big psychological element in tournament play that isn't discussed as much. If a player is well-posted in published play, then the best chance to win might be taking him or her off book early in the game. The opposite is true if your opponent does not know published play well, but is a strong cross-board player. This is a great topic, and would like to dive deeper into, so if you have any additional questions, please let me know!
@@azcheckers Ryan, thanks for that excellent and elaborate response. I really appreciate your insights and this gives me a lot to think about.
@@aclearpathtofollow8878 Thank you, and I appreciate you bringing this subject up! I have some additional thoughts, including what separates world class players from master class players, and I've narrowed it down to three traits:
1) Superior end game positional play and strategic execution
2) Ingenuity
3) Superior and technical published play knowledge
Taking a deeper dive into all of this is something I would like to do. I'll bring up this subject in a live stream with Alex at the tournament next month to discuss further (hopefully the wifi will cooperate).
Hi mate i try this again expert cpu and cpu just seems to overcome it and get me in situations where i end up losing all my pieces to one stupid move i do wrong. I start out good with this strat but cpu does other moves do i always play from my single corner never touch double corner unless im forced or have too. Keep up good vids i dropped a sub! :)
Thanks for watching, and I will be glad to assist here! If you are able to provide the move sequence in your games against the CPU, I can provide some helpful feedback! Your overall strategy of playing from your single corner and protecting your double corner is a good start, for sure!
@@azcheckers but also i use that pioneer strat i move into middle and try move from my single corner up so its in formation if you get what i mean but cpu always seems to force me to jump and gets me in bad positions all the time so he can jump 2/3
@@rjexe1713 Interesting ... if you are using the moves shown in this series, that shouldn't happen! If you are able to record the game via video or even numerical notation, I can further assist!
@@azcheckers no problem i will do how shall i send them to you
@@azcheckers the ai seems to make different moves to you being white i mean in all honestly i have not watch all moves for the pioneer system yet so maybe thats why
I hate when people dont move the way i need them too i end up studying these and then get mad confused when they play different
Yes, often times players don't follow standard published play. Understanding the "why" behind the moves will help you capitalize when your opponents play an inferior or losing line of play. This can take many years of practice, and doesn't happen overnight!
Am a beginner, I always come here...
Thank you very much! If there are any openings or formations / tactics you are interested in seeing and learning about, just let me know!
11_15 22_17
9_14 25_22
7_11 i like this
just win
Easier said than done, sometimes!