Spear vs Sword & Shield - Mitch vs Nick

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  • @patliao556
    @patliao556 6 ปีที่แล้ว +287

    Crazy how a large shield seems to change the equation..... almost as if.... shields were invented for a reason.

    • @blacknode
      @blacknode 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      And then... the poleaxe was born.

    • @AVGyerra22
      @AVGyerra22 6 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@blacknode, the shield (Skjoldr) still stands it's ground though even against the poleaxe.

    • @alena2779
      @alena2779 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@AVGyerra22 yeah except when someone slams the shield with the hammer part and breaks your hand and arm.

    • @韩墨聊科技
      @韩墨聊科技 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That's what I felt, otherwise spears are invincible

    • @kairoward7738
      @kairoward7738 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      thats why soldiers used sword and shield than spear

  • @MH-yp6wg
    @MH-yp6wg 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Spear-User has always two options when the opponent gets close-up:
    1) Pull back the spear and let the leading hand slide forward -> you effectively shorten its range:
    2) Drop the spear and pull out a dagger!

  • @xxxxxx5868
    @xxxxxx5868 4 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    3:36
    That move tho

  • @adenzu
    @adenzu 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Now I can see the pros and cons between spear and shield+one handed sword practically. Thanks!

  • @Jesses001
    @Jesses001 6 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    Well that tactic seems to work very well. Bind the spear up with the shield and rush. Otherwise in most cases, the spear has ALL kinds of advantages.

    • @snowwarden3711
      @snowwarden3711 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      lol right spear just loses any time someone rushes

    • @icantthinkofausername2605
      @icantthinkofausername2605 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      that's why one of the most important skills as a spearman is being able to get your spear out of a bind, usually by shortening the grip to pull the tip closer to you

    • @thecritic69420
      @thecritic69420 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why does no one ever grab the spear? This is the first thing id do. Get controle of the spear.

    • @icantthinkofausername2605
      @icantthinkofausername2605 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@thecritic69420 Because grabbing the spear does not mean you have control of it. The person wielding it is holding it in 2 hands so they can quite easily just pull you off balance and then finish you off. Against a 1 handed spear grabbing the shaft can work, but you're again stuck in a situation where you can't have more hands on the spear than the enemy so you gave to get it off them in one quick motion.

    • @thecritic69420
      @thecritic69420 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@icantthinkofausername2605 But what if he pulls me towards him and I stab him?

  • @kuroneko106
    @kuroneko106 5 ปีที่แล้ว +90

    That's why spears are not the king of weapons but the queens, only the shield is the real king of weapons.

    • @medievalswordandshield-bil5631
      @medievalswordandshield-bil5631 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Agree ....
      th-cam.com/video/KyOgBxEr5CA/w-d-xo.html

    • @monsieurboks
      @monsieurboks 5 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      So basically against someone wielding a spear and shield you're _royally_ fucked?
      I'll see myself out.

    • @田中青梅
      @田中青梅 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Guns: hold my bullets.

    • @sovietcheeselord9102
      @sovietcheeselord9102 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hyper Gaming to put in a thrust with full range u need to let go lmao for one hand so thags the equivoent of holding a one handed from the back

    • @kairoward7738
      @kairoward7738 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      sword and shield sword without shield is almost useless in combat against long weapons so sword and shield are the best combo

  • @marymccann3500
    @marymccann3500 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Used this as reference for a scene I was writing, lots of help. Thanks!

  • @billwinston7912
    @billwinston7912 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Ah yes, the old spear v sword and board. What a massive shield and great instincts behind it, moving in whilst keeping the spear pinned so he couldn't retract it enough to get it your other side! Really enjoyed this bout you guys! Nick, great closing the distance...ever the challenge, especially with reach weapons. Mitch, way to make him use that shield and take away his sight lines.

  • @СерёжаВолкодав
    @СерёжаВолкодав 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Greetings from Latvia! It will be nice to see trainings or lessons on this channel.

  • @SmigGames
    @SmigGames 6 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    It would be interesting when pairing off different weapons to switch them halfway through so that skill is less of a factor. Sword and shield look like a great combination against the spear, but what if Nick then destroyed Mitch with the spear?

    • @AcademyofHistoricalFencing
      @AcademyofHistoricalFencing  6 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      We certainly do that occasionally on videos. Sometimes its not so easy to do quickly as the equipment changes based on the weapon, like here where glove and arm protection would need to be changed for both fighters if they swapped.
      I (Nick) have a lot more experience than Mitch, being his instructor, but a large shield counters the spear really effectively.

    • @SmigGames
      @SmigGames 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I see. Thanks for the explanation!

  • @brandonfarfan1978
    @brandonfarfan1978 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Spear vs. sword and shield.
    Wow! Nice demonstration guys.

  • @Corellon666
    @Corellon666 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    With real weapons, the shield would even be better. on some thrusts with a training spear, the shield flaps to the side, what may result in a hit with the spearthrust. But a thrust with a pointy spear will in most or many cases end up sticking inside the shield an be blocked long enough for a counter with the sword. But this is really hard to simulate if you want to keep it save.

    • @snowwarden3711
      @snowwarden3711 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      plate would change it too. then you get a polehammer and shield guys dies

    • @kairoward7738
      @kairoward7738 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Shield and spear is a bad combo you need two hands to use spear correctly its too long to use with one hand

    • @Anegor
      @Anegor 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@snowwarden3711 lmao no. Polehammers were nice, they weren't some invincible beast. The single reason shields fell out of favor was that plate armor gave enough defense by itself.

    • @snowwarden3711
      @snowwarden3711 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Anegor thats my point, someone in plate would have protection and could ops for a weapon like a poleaxe. that way they have more options with the different heads and lots of leverage to increase the impact. even with a shield there is a chance of broken arms.

    • @icantthinkofausername2605
      @icantthinkofausername2605 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@kairoward7738 lmao no it isn't, spear and shield just uses a shorter spear (usually about the height of the user). It's been used to great success in many historical militaries, and as someone who does historical martial arts I often find my most difficult opponents to be the ones who use spear and shield.

  • @howdareyou7829
    @howdareyou7829 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That spear has so much give I'm positive that's making it much harder

    • @M1DA5_
      @M1DA5_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      %100. No energy transfer.

  • @gerardjagroo
    @gerardjagroo 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Grimm my perspective the spear is an ineffectual weapon against the sword and shield combo.
    *Unless it's in a phalanx, and not just any phalanx but a Macedonian/Swiss pike phalanx!*

    • @monsieurboks
      @monsieurboks 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@jmd9402 The spartans used the Macedonian phalanx. They didn't invent any special formations, just drilled existing ones into their men until they could do it better than the guys who invented it

    • @themanformerlyknownascomme777
      @themanformerlyknownascomme777 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@monsieurboks Technically. However a Macedonian phalanx is more then just a wall of spears. Its also includes Calvary, light troops and occasionally medium troops as well who would Coral the enemy right into the phalanx's killing range

  • @MaximusofAthens
    @MaximusofAthens 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The sword's best friend: shield

  • @TheJimboslav
    @TheJimboslav 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Could you please do a rapier + dagger vs rapier + cloak? Would be interesting to see the different styles go at each other

  • @Dennis12869
    @Dennis12869 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The spear was to passiv. If you fight sword and shield with spears, don't let the sword'n shield guy diktate the fight. The spear user must be super aggreisv. Gripping the spear in an over arm stance combiend with some wrestling experience helps also.

    • @RandomAllen
      @RandomAllen 6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Dennis12869 Remember the guy is fighting the instructor. He's being careful and yielding psychological pressure. He's not a bad spearman but Nick is exploiting his advantages effectively

    • @onyxia8786
      @onyxia8786 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So there's a definite skill despirady there

  • @yerboi496
    @yerboi496 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Could the spearman not keep the swordsman at a certain range then when the swordsman closes in slide his hands up closer to the tip to make it easier to deal with

  • @nightsplays4419
    @nightsplays4419 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I honestly don’t know who won..

    • @AcademyofHistoricalFencing
      @AcademyofHistoricalFencing  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Being sparring, each "exchange" represents potentially a different fight. But if you did total them up the sword and shield won here. Normally the spear dominates against swords in an unarmoured fight, but a large shield is the one way to turn that on it's head. The sword user also has a lot more experience than the spear user in this fight.

    • @nightsplays4419
      @nightsplays4419 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AcademyofHistoricalFencing thanks big bro! If he could find some way to disarm the shield the spear would dominate might i suggest parrying with a glock

  • @kinggengar3865
    @kinggengar3865 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The guy is not that experienced with the spear, he quickly gives away the initiative after the first thrust, if he chose to move around the swordsman and do a series of fast thrusts then he will hit home. moving linearly in a fight gives the sword and shield an advantage.

  • @Paleo_P1anet
    @Paleo_P1anet หลายเดือนก่อน

    0:29 FLOP LIKE THE WIND BOARSPEAR!!! 🗣️🗣️🗣️

  • @allenqi2386
    @allenqi2386 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey nick can you make a vid of long spear vs sword and shield?

    • @AcademyofHistoricalFencing
      @AcademyofHistoricalFencing  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      We tend to pitch contemporary weapons against one another, so we wouldn't put a large punch grip shield like this up against a rapier. But we would add rotellas to the mix, see the video below. A sidesword and rotella vs rapier could be interesting, but we can't do anything right now as we are in lockdown.
      th-cam.com/video/14F6yeepmh0/w-d-xo.html

  • @Kubaaa555
    @Kubaaa555 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Speaking about shields. I think kite shield would do better against spear as it protects leg. But could it protect against powerful blow from montante or halberd aimed to legs? Because its pretty narrow at its low part, and greatsword and cutting/chopping polearms boucing things off way more than thrusting weapons/thrusting-only polearms

    • @AcademyofHistoricalFencing
      @AcademyofHistoricalFencing  6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Kite shields are one type we've never played with. One guy had one over ten years ago, but that was it. I do intend to get one later this year. The leg coverage they give is definitely excellent. But see as most are double strap, rather than punch grip, they are closer to the body. So less reach, and no pivoting of the grip. That is one of the things that is fascinating using punch grip shields compared to the double strap metal round shields that we often use for renaissance era sword and shield. As for could it defend against those larger weapons, well largely it shouldn't have to, as they were on their way out of usage as those weapons were becoming common. Though there was some cross over with some meaty pole arms. certainly.

    • @Kubaaa555
      @Kubaaa555 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah I speaking in potential duel in terms of what is better, I dont intend to care about being historically correct (kite and montante would't really meet each other). But Im wondering, if kite shield could protect leg from low, powerful greatsword/halberd swing to the legs. Would it bounce off, or not? What is your opinion

    • @AcademyofHistoricalFencing
      @AcademyofHistoricalFencing  6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I think a powerful swing with those weapons would probably beat the base of a kite shield aside and meet its target. It is light there, and far from the grip position so a lot of leverage. But pushing forward with the shield and allowing it to tilt to displace some of the energy, might be able to handle it.

    • @Kubaaa555
      @Kubaaa555 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Eh thats what I was worried about. Seems that I will never find my perfect universal combo which defeats anything else :( Always some damn rock-paper-scissors... can't see a montante defeating spear, unless you run into it with half-sword technique, but if you are forced to something like that you could as well using different weapon/weapons combo than this. And halberd is too heavy. What about glaive/naginata though? Could it attack legs of kite shield user effectively and still have great chances against spear?

    • @AcademyofHistoricalFencing
      @AcademyofHistoricalFencing  6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Nope, there is no perfect weapon or combo. It's all about the context they are being used in. Sword and shield is a great all rounder though. And even if a larger weapon could drive through the base of a kite shield, no reason you can't bolster it with some defense from the sword. Can make all the difference. There is simply no answer to it though., Every change you make is a compromise.

  • @adriancerezo
    @adriancerezo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Where did you buy the shield? Or how did you do it?

  • @satriaberhias7651
    @satriaberhias7651 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    why did the spearman didn't attack his legs?

  • @king_alonne3707
    @king_alonne3707 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    could there be a dual spear technique and what is its uses and disadvantages

    • @AcademyofHistoricalFencing
      @AcademyofHistoricalFencing  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, though both are not used offensively at the same time. In some Bolognese sources the second or even third spear is held in grip of the rotella (shield), allowing it to parry, whilst the spear in the right hand can attack and be thrown, being quickly replaced by one of the others.

  • @seansnyder2855
    @seansnyder2855 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Anyone want to explain why all of these bouts are incredibly slow?

    • @matthewpham9525
      @matthewpham9525 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sean Snyder
      Heavy weapons, an instructor is fighting a student so neither is going to be super aggressive.

  • @PandemicalShade
    @PandemicalShade 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video! What kind of spear tip is being used here?

    • @AcademyofHistoricalFencing
      @AcademyofHistoricalFencing  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Polypropylene from Playwell Martial Arts. It's like the Cold Steel one, just floppier. We've trying a few different ones out. There is a Chinese small business that makes better ones still. They appear in some of our videos, they are the red bladed ones.

  • @ArmouredProductions
    @ArmouredProductions 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I guess one thing that can't be accounted for in the sparring is that the spear would probably get stuck into the shield. Not that they wouldn't be able to pull it out, but it would defiantly stick in.

    • @AcademyofHistoricalFencing
      @AcademyofHistoricalFencing  6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Not nearly as often as you might think. The shield usually needs to be held edge forward, to get maximum reach and coverage. This means the spear usually connects with the shield at an acute angle. Glancing off. It's certainly more likely in formation fighting, where the shields are often flat on to the enemy.

    • @ArmouredProductions
      @ArmouredProductions 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well not really stuck, I didn't remember the correct word for it till now but there would be some binding I think. Like how sharp swords bite into each other, a spear would bind a shield slightly. In my club one day we did some lessons with sharp swords against a buckler just to demonstrate that sharp blades stick in slightly. Where as synthetic is all whippy

    • @nikolaihedler8883
      @nikolaihedler8883 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ArmouredProductions there's some evidence for spear heads sometimes being shaped to prevent this; a "blunt" point with a less acute angle at the tip would skip off a shield, while still providing a deadly blow if it makes contact.

  • @vast634
    @vast634 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Makes me wonder what the point of a longsword is, if a shield and an arming sword is way more defensive. Or are longsword not meant for battles but for personal defense?

    • @AcademyofHistoricalFencing
      @AcademyofHistoricalFencing  3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Longswords are primarily used in civilian life, and therefore unarmoured in situations where you wouldn't be lugging a shield around, or on the battlefield in plate armour, when you have so much protection a shield is no longer useful.

    • @vast634
      @vast634 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@AcademyofHistoricalFencing Thanks for the comment.

  • @penguinstrophe
    @penguinstrophe 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The new Pokémon game looks sick

  • @Quobbleplays
    @Quobbleplays 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Any chance you will cover academic student fencing at some point?

  • @dan_reminchannel3635
    @dan_reminchannel3635 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What kind of sport is this?

  • @DimitrisFrini
    @DimitrisFrini 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    well..it seems that the longer weapon has an advantage (duh!) as logical. But on the other hand, all these "sparrings" promote the idea that the blade of any weapon is a "lightsabering" version. Contact with a static blade will might scratch you but for sure will not incapacitate you. The power of the blow is not counting in any of these sparrings. And t he power of the blow IT IS determined by the momentum and the stance. This is just an elaborated "tag" game. or "touch me if you can". If we try to speak about neautralizing the opponent, things are getting much, much more trickier....and sure the game is not "paused" when any blade makes any body contact. Then it is when it gets interesting.

    • @AcademyofHistoricalFencing
      @AcademyofHistoricalFencing  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The blade is not treated like a lightsabre at all. The cuts must be delivered in such a way as to wound as the swords were intended. However what you are often seeing in this fight is the pulling of blows from the sword user once they have closed as the spear user is already beaten and so to strike them hard serves no purpose than to harm your training partner. The blows could easily be delivered with power within those ranges of motions.
      Additionally, a sparring bout like this isn't neccessarily intended to represent the entirety of a fight. This is a training exercise. Fighters stop on any major blade contact in recognition of a blow being landed, and then reset. It isn't to say that blow would absolutely finish the fight, some would. Sometimes we train to multiple hits, but that training should not be done often, as it devolves into a stick fight where wounds that would have killed or incapacitated with a sword are ignored. This is why when people watch an HMB fight and assume it is anyway representative of how an unarmoured sword fight would look is a problem.

    • @DimitrisFrini
      @DimitrisFrini 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AcademyofHistoricalFencing great answer! thanks

  • @satyrulak
    @satyrulak 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome sparring match,. Again there seems to be a lack of situational awareness. Lots of bumping into other pairs

    • @AcademyofHistoricalFencing
      @AcademyofHistoricalFencing  6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That is the nature of a mixed pairing like this. One is charging down the other. Spear user has to move very fast and can't always keep track of the space, or stay put and get butchered.

  • @adamloopy8487
    @adamloopy8487 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The guy with spear is experienced? 0.30-0.31 he just hold it? He could turn around in the left side there is a hole. I'm not spear master but i won't just hold still when the swordguy rush with his shield.

  • @HowieDewitt535
    @HowieDewitt535 ปีที่แล้ว

    The guy with the spear seemed kind of inexperienced.

    • @AcademyofHistoricalFencing
      @AcademyofHistoricalFencing  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes he was. These sparring clips feature a broad mix of fighters, sometimes of matched skill and sometimes of very differing levels.

    • @HowieDewitt535
      @HowieDewitt535 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AcademyofHistoricalFencing Doesn't look that way with his attack & defense.

  • @axelnick1
    @axelnick1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    The spear is rubber or something? xD

    • @AcademyofHistoricalFencing
      @AcademyofHistoricalFencing  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I flexible plastic. as you can't make a steel blade flexible when its that short.

  • @吴将军-l2y
    @吴将军-l2y 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    😂it look like when crixus vs barca

  • @nikolaihedler8883
    @nikolaihedler8883 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Seems quite clear to me that the inexperience of the spear-wielder had more of an impact than the actual weapons used. Other commenters seem to misunderstand what the video shows; the spear often thrusts out of measure, and in many cases it appears as though thrusts are incomplete and would finish the fight if followed through. At other times, Black shifts his grip in a way that prevents him making effective thrusts when the opportunity arises (hands too close together).
    In the first press from Red, Black shifts his hands forward to shorten his reach, but then makes a swipe across Red's undefended chest instead of thrusting into it and ending the exchange decisively. Visibility may play a role here, but mostly it seems that Black forgets he's holding a spear during the rush.
    At 2:20, the "attack" from above seems to be more experimental than purposeful; if instead of bringing the spear down onto the raised shield, Black diverted the point to his right (around the outside of the shield), it would allow him to disrupt the feet of Red and potentially prevent the charge (or at least defend more effectively, having the spear between the pair and more free to move).
    It's not clear to me why the spear thrust at 2:58 (second thrust under the shield) doesn't end the fight; it appeared to make solid contact with Red's midsection (or should have, in any case) and Red didn't appear to be in a position to disrupt Black's aim or thrust. Perhaps the floppy point prevented Red, or even both, realizing the hit landed.
    At 3:30, a couple of things happen: after the blow to Red's hand, Black reveals a vulnerability in Red's reaction to the high thrust (shield rises quite far to defend) and in the next exchange leaves Red massively off-balance after a well-placed thrust (which failed because Black's left hand was much too forward after the spin), but Black is not prepared (or confident?) enough to effectively capitalize on these opportunities.

  • @zoraidaisolina3166
    @zoraidaisolina3166 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Naufumi is rial

  • @0rang.utan.bananaman199
    @0rang.utan.bananaman199 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    First

  • @colcustard6015
    @colcustard6015 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Spear beats sword and shield

    • @Kubaaa555
      @Kubaaa555 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Kite shield and sword beats spear

    • @grsshppr7659
      @grsshppr7659 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Shield and sword are too slow to match staff weapons, usually. Any shield, any sword. This guy wasn't even using the back half of the pole, he's not really fast, and still he could own the swordsman 90% of the time.

    • @AcademyofHistoricalFencing
      @AcademyofHistoricalFencing  6 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      It really doesn't. Mostly it depends how big the shield is. With a large shield the openings can be covered well and distance covered safely. Smaller the shield, harder that is. Down to a buckler, where it is a nightmare. Sword and a large round shield is great against spear, when you are in open terrain and one-on-one or small melee.

    • @Kubaaa555
      @Kubaaa555 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There are many videos of dagger + freehand defeating spear lol. Mainly-thrusting weapons are overrated (for duels, they are great for battles though)

    • @AcademyofHistoricalFencing
      @AcademyofHistoricalFencing  6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      There are videos of spear absolutely destroying them many times over as well. It's possible to win with anything, doesn't make it a fair fight. The spear should never be underestimated. There are a great many reasons it is one of the most common battlefield weapons in human history. They can stand up in a range of scenarios, but a large shield counters them well. Against most swords and sword combinations for example, they dominate.

  • @TheAlexzingale
    @TheAlexzingale 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What is this type of fencing called? Hepa? Hema or something

  • @PandemicalShade
    @PandemicalShade 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video! What kind of spear tip is being used here?

  • @PandemicalShade
    @PandemicalShade 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video! What kind of spear tip is being used here?