@@TommyLGarage yes nordic tires are waay better on snow and ice, but they are very soft and may feel like driving a boat xD also greetings from norway!
Drive my M4 daily in the snow, no problem whatsoever, you just need to be gentle, and you get to have fun in every roundabout without wearing your tires out 😊
M4 has LSD differential. It is far superior to this BMW in the video. It handles much better in the snow. I would never drive a rear-wheel drive car in the snow.
@@catalinIntimidatorul M4 and M3 are the same exact car, they just split the bodystyles into 2 separate names in 2012. M3 Coupe became M4 and sedan remained with the M3 name.
DON'T turn the dsc completely off, the car is way better at calculating the traction and adjusts the throttle immediately. I know this from experience because when I drive my f30 3 series in Dsc traction mode the rear slips a lot when driving from a standstill but with traction fully on it eliminates almost all of the slip. It's a bold claim to say that you can correct the slip better than the car when it calculates the traction 500 times a second.
I love how you have a Volvo which is more than capable to conquer these conditions, and you still choose to drive the M3. Great video, and beautiful cars!
I live in MN and we get just as much snow if not more. I found having traction control on in my e92 m3 made it much easier to drive rather than constantly having to modulate the throttle, especially from stoplights. I only ever turned it off when going up very steep hills where it could slow my momentum from it cutting power. I would give having it on or at least mdm mode a try for a day.
@@TommyLGarage yeah but no for unskilled drivers, if you notice traction control is cutting too much power just push accelerator pedal all the way and wait, this basically means you give right to control unit to use 100% of car potential. It is even more refined in premium german or japan cars, but of course everybody should practice before stressful situation occurs. Traction control in most modern or premium cars do better than human because it is programmed by high qualified people based on tests and researches, there are many sensors that calculates every possible condition thousands times each second you drive. Every manufacturer have slightly different assistant configurations. I hope this informations helped. Anyways good video, I appreciate your work.
Drove my manual e92 m3 through 4 winters in ontario canada. Never got stuck once even in blizzards. Good winter tires and being a good driver are all you need.
I had a E46 M3 and a E90 M3 and always started with 2nd gear when driving in snow. Always a fun time in winter driving lol. Now I have a GR Supra and its in the garage and bought a Subaru for daily driving for winter.
Starting in second gear is extremely helpful, and you always want to be in the highest gear possible for the least amount of torque. You were revving going up hill in first gear lmao. Also tbh I leave traction control on in the snow most of the time though my 335d has an open diff
Just noticed again how classy the wing mirrors look in same Yas Marina. I too swapped back my CF mirror caps to the original mineral white. I wouldn't dare take my M4 in any bit of snow! Hats off to your bravery lol
I love the M3, have owned an E46 since '04 but this is the exact reason I switched to the X4M this time around =( The snowy winters were just always a hassle.
@@TommyLGarage Thank you bro! M3 is such an amazing car, I'm hoping the '21 w/ xdrive doesn't disappoint because that will probably be my next purchase. The big kidney grills are slowly growing on me
I drove an E82 on 205 winter tires, & now 225 all seasons. The all season tire is far superior in every way & has lots of grip in snow. The skinny 205s were great for drifting though
Great, but one missing dimension: go to square size and decrease tire width and weight, while retaining diameter. For example, for 2018 BMW M3 Competition Package: Go from: 265/30-20 94Y XL 24 lbs 9.4" 26.3" 285/30-20 99Y XL 27 lbs 9.9" 26.8" To: NOKIAN HAKKAPELIITTA R3 225/40R19 93T XL 24 lbs 8.6" 26.1"
Studded snow tires would be the best! even some good regular snow tires helps. it doesn't seem like you have very good tires. I had snows on my RWD camaro and I remember passing people in SUVs stuck on hills. But I don't recommend taking off the traction/stability control because I did that and I hit a patch of ice and crashed into a sign!
@@TommyLGarage you're right the streets do get plowed quickly, but then if I do buy one, I'll probably end up babying it like I do my '03 Terminator Cobra and then my wife would be like, well drive your daily driver...lol
also 17inch rim, with 225 or skinnier/50 profile tire = best on the road, studded also help, if you have icy seasons, i have e60 and no problem in 10cm snow it just crawls out everywhere :)
Im a ferly New driver. I like drifting but never driven a RW. i feel safe With tc on but when i gas it uphill it cuts off power. (FF car)That isent very funny. Would you also recomend turn off tc like for your BMW?
Good tips but I’m a keep my M4 hibernating until spring comes around, quick ? On that mount you have for MagSafe I built the same one but can’t seem to get it to stick on the plastic so I’m a try to do what you did and hook it up next to the climate control area but what’s that mount you used ? And also how did you get it to stick without falling off ? Awesome videos Tommy keep it up 👍🏻
Can putting my summer tires on the trunk work ? Not sure how heavy 4 of them are or at least 2 of them in the trunk but I think its heavy enough to weigh down the back area of the car. Curious if tires are better or sandbag for weight.
What type of snows do u have on in this vid? My driveway is a steeper uphill gradient and I have never had an issue getting stuck even in a few inches of snow with my blizzaks and nothing in my trunk.
Please dont tell people to turn TC off. Or atleast tell them about the risks surrounding it. Its dangerous for the everyday driver and it can save lifes. It's not just a feature which ruins the fun. There are many occasions in which it stabalises the car and prevents incidents. If you want to have fun then sure, turn it off but remember - it always has risks, so be carefull !
Great video 👍 Would be even more interesting how a RWD car without LSD would behave compared to your M3 with mechanical LSD ! I do drive a manual RWD M140i (ca 530Nm) with an MPerformance LSD (Drexler plates diff) and 225/40 18 winter tyres - so fare pretty good traction in cold rainy condition and mild snow No experience in steep snow/icy roads so fare
Though u drive differently with and without weights, different speed and without weights u also speeded up and make the wheels spin before getting stuck, think that is more the issue! also tbh nordic winter tires are ALOT better, its almost like driving in the summer, got a 335 f30 stage 2 rwd and bmw limited edition m5 f90 and i have never got stuck :) greetings from sweden!
i dont really get it, what kind of tires you have on?? or is snow uncommon there? living country where we get tons of snow every winter it just seems weird that you are having problems on that kind of enviroment, im not trying to shit talk or anything im just confused
@@TommyLGarage what kind of tires are you using? I use the brigstone blizzaks ws80 on my g37 sedan RWD and I never have trouble going up hills or driving in heavy snow
I think next winter , I'm going to drive mine!. :) just gotta find a proper set of tires and wheels. I'm thinking I just slap winter tires on my OEM wheels. and buy a set of wheels for summer!
I think the problem is from ur tires or from the car its self i think it is imported from warm countries , cause i have seen many guys haven't faced any problem in winter so idk 🤷♂️
Awesome driving tips! I’m glad I watched as I have a 2020 M4 Competition Convertible in yaz marina blue with silverstone white interior and it can be a handful on a nice dry day
Shew winter time is much exciting there. Well done. I remember at the other house you'd wash away all the salt and snow after driving. Does TLG 3.0 have that yet?
I have drove A4 S line Quattro for many years, then i changed to M3, but I actually changed my mind already, wish i never done it! with Quattro you never get these issues!
The real problem starts with more snow like 10cm+.. I experienced times when it snowed half a meter of snow so only way to get from my home was on quad... But fr it's not funny to Drive quad in -20°C... Btw cars were stuck at home for a week.
I love when people aren’t scared to drive their car
Thanks!
Getting the new Z in Canada to drive year round as my daily. Can't wait for the stares!
@@cosmic_gate476 did you get it?
You should switch up from normal winter tires to Nordic winter tires. The tires are made specially for Nordic climates. Greetings from Norway
Thanks! I’ll give it a try
@@TommyLGarage yes nordic tires are waay better on snow and ice, but they are very soft and may feel like driving a boat xD
also greetings from norway!
or they must learn how to drive?
Was just thinking of how bad his tires are to have such bad traction:D
I have the Pilot Alpin PA4s-snowed here in Seattle today and felt super grippy driving in sub 20 temps 😊😊-
Drive my M4 daily in the snow, no problem whatsoever, you just need to be gentle, and you get to have fun in every roundabout without wearing your tires out 😊
Totally agree !
M4 has LSD differential. It is far superior to this BMW in the video. It handles much better in the snow. I would never drive a rear-wheel drive car in the snow.
@@catalinIntimidatorul there is no M car without lsd…
@@catalinIntimidatorul what are you even saying this is a m3 which is almost identical to the m4 of this year, both rear wheel drive LSD
@@catalinIntimidatorul M4 and M3 are the same exact car, they just split the bodystyles into 2 separate names in 2012. M3 Coupe became M4 and sedan remained with the M3 name.
DON'T turn the dsc completely off, the car is way better at calculating the traction and adjusts the throttle immediately. I know this from experience because when I drive my f30 3 series in Dsc traction mode the rear slips a lot when driving from a standstill but with traction fully on it eliminates almost all of the slip. It's a bold claim to say that you can correct the slip better than the car when it calculates the traction 500 times a second.
Exactly, this dude is going to end up in a ditch sooner or later
Just drove mine in a snow storm yesterday with DSC all the way off if you know how to drive your car and don’t need it’s help you’ll be fine
I love how you have a Volvo which is more than capable to conquer these conditions, and you still choose to drive the M3. Great video, and beautiful cars!
This one is more fun :)
@@TommyLGarage I agree, and its a great spec, beautiful color!
I live in MN and we get just as much snow if not more. I found having traction control on in my e92 m3 made it much easier to drive rather than constantly having to modulate the throttle, especially from stoplights. I only ever turned it off when going up very steep hills where it could slow my momentum from it cutting power. I would give having it on or at least mdm mode a try for a day.
But traction off is so much more fun!
@@TommyLGarage yeah but no for unskilled drivers, if you notice traction control is cutting too much power just push accelerator pedal all the way and wait, this basically means you give right to control unit to use 100% of car potential. It is even more refined in premium german or japan cars, but of course everybody should practice before stressful situation occurs. Traction control in most modern or premium cars do better than human because it is programmed by high qualified people based on tests and researches, there are many sensors that calculates every possible condition thousands times each second you drive. Every manufacturer have slightly different assistant configurations. I hope this informations helped. Anyways good video, I appreciate your work.
Drove my manual e92 m3 through 4 winters in ontario canada. Never got stuck once even in blizzards. Good winter tires and being a good driver are all you need.
True. I need to invest in better tires
@@TommyLGarage what tyre were you using?
@@goyangi2014 Dunlop winter sport 3D
Another good advice is to have the fuel tank full when driving in the snow, it ads a lot of weight on the rear because of it’s possition
Very true !
Marina Blue looks stunning on the M3! 💙
I think so too!
Very nice driving Tommy! I couldn't imagine driving my F80 in the snow. Kudos sir!
I love driving in the snow !
Idk why but i find these types of vids satisfaying
Haha me too!!
@@TommyLGarage one reasons is it makes my 93 vw polo beter car cuz its fwd and we all know fwd is beter in snow then rwd
Very true!!! Can’t argue with that
I had a E46 M3 and a E90 M3 and always started with 2nd gear when driving in snow. Always a fun time in winter driving lol. Now I have a GR Supra and its in the garage and bought a Subaru for daily driving for winter.
Starting in second gear is extremely helpful, and you always want to be in the highest gear possible for the least amount of torque. You were revving going up hill in first gear lmao. Also tbh I leave traction control on in the snow most of the time though my 335d has an open diff
I’ll try it again
This is my first winter with a rear wheel drive car, so thanks for the tips!
You got it!
@@TommyLGarage : Well I thought along the same lines...put two bags of sand in the trunk and it does help
Yep get better winter tires. Also follow the off road world and run less air pressure, you'll create better traction by airing down.
Loved it!! Enjoyed the exhaust sound through the whole clip! Thank you for the clip :)
Thanks!!
@@TommyLGarage you’re welcome bro :) signed up for the push notifications. Keep up the good work. I’d really appreciate M3 contents.
First tip: fully turn off traction control on RWD 400hp vehicle
Amateur drivers: immediately total vehicle
Lol. Love your stuff man, keep it up!
Lol
Just noticed again how classy the wing mirrors look in same Yas Marina. I too swapped back my CF mirror caps to the original mineral white. I wouldn't dare take my M4 in any bit of snow! Hats off to your bravery lol
I agree! Non carbon mirrors look classier.
This is the M power🔥🤣🤣🤣
Yes !!
tnx for tutorial,now i just need a m3
You’re almost there!
Nice video
Mate.
I drive my M3 all the time in the snow.
It’s the best !
I love the M3, have owned an E46 since '04 but this is the exact reason I switched to the X4M this time around =( The snowy winters were just always a hassle.
x4M is an amazing vehicle. Congrats!!
@@TommyLGarage Thank you bro! M3 is such an amazing car, I'm hoping the '21 w/ xdrive doesn't disappoint because that will probably be my next purchase. The big kidney grills are slowly growing on me
I drove an E82 on 205 winter tires, & now 225 all seasons. The all season tire is far superior in every way & has lots of grip in snow. The skinny 205s were great for drifting though
all season tires suck both for summer and for winter lol, buy a good pair of LM005 Bridgestone winter tires and you will see
all season tires should be banned everywhere!
@@lucasvepsalainen7425 you're sooooo out of date on this. Take a look at tests on the Michelin crossclimate 2 for example.
@@SamJ596 miks mä tollassia renkaita kokeilisin ku tollaset renkaat on just ihan huonot pohjoismaitten talveen!
Can you make a full video like the last one minute of the video? That would be very satisfying to watch
Will do!
Great, but one missing dimension: go to square size and decrease tire width and weight, while retaining diameter.
For example, for 2018 BMW M3 Competition Package:
Go from:
265/30-20 94Y XL 24 lbs 9.4" 26.3"
285/30-20 99Y XL 27 lbs 9.9" 26.8"
To:
NOKIAN HAKKAPELIITTA R3
225/40R19 93T XL 24 lbs 8.6" 26.1"
Not necessarily. I am running a square setup now. Works well
Studded snow tires would be the best! even some good regular snow tires helps. it doesn't seem like you have very good tires. I had snows on my RWD camaro and I remember passing people in SUVs stuck on hills. But I don't recommend taking off the traction/stability control because I did that and I hit a patch of ice and crashed into a sign!
studded tires are illegal here
Which tires are you running for your winter setup? Thankfully I haven't had any issues with Michelin PA4 on my F82 in snow and ice
has it ever crossed your mind to get proper winter tires? or you are just gonna carry these weightbags all winter adding fuel consumption?
These are winter tires.
@@TommyLGarage Jesus, by the ammount of grip you have i would say that it looks like all seasons and not a friktion, but if you say so🫨
"i scrape it all the time, but it never breaks" haha beautiful :)
Haha that’s true
What is that white accessory that you have to the right hand side? Is that a wireless charger?
thanks for posting this vid...helpful information...was really considering on looking at the M3, but the Chicago snow would be an issue for me too
But how many snowy days do you have? Usually roads get plowed very quickly
@@TommyLGarage you're right the streets do get plowed quickly, but then if I do buy one, I'll probably end up babying it like I do my '03 Terminator Cobra and then my wife would be like, well drive your daily driver...lol
also 17inch rim, with 225 or skinnier/50 profile tire = best on the road, studded also help, if you have icy seasons,
i have e60 and no problem in 10cm snow it just crawls out everywhere :)
You are right but my car cannot fit 17 inch wheels. 18 is a minimum.
Need some blizzaks, those performance winter tires are pretty bad in actual snow conditions. More meant for cold roads
Very true
You could have made it up the first time with traction on
Good M3
Im a ferly New driver. I like drifting but never driven a RW. i feel safe With tc on but when i gas it uphill it cuts off power. (FF car)That isent very funny. Would you also recomend turn off tc like for your BMW?
Yes. Turn off traction control in the snow and learn how to control power with your right foot
why not use 2nd gear for that hill?
Makes no difference really
Just got a rwd car for the first time and turns are pretty fun when on fresh snow.. turning off TC and going in a parking lot for donuts lol
That’s why I love it!!!!
Another fun yet informative video Tommy.
Isnt the DTC especially installed so your RWD car can drive in slippery/snowy terrain?
It’s really to put the power down better
You make me miss my F80! Picked up an E92 M3 for a track build though.. just not the same! Hope all is well!
E92 Track is amazing...just terrible on gas!
@@TommyLGarage well if you remember I also have a C63S.. which is no better on gas! 😂
Are you worried about salt damage at all?
Nope. Just a car
@@TommyLGarage fair enough 👍🏼
do people who live in snow areas not buy snow tyres??
Not always
That exhauste sound 😍😍
It's lovely
Good tips but I’m a keep my M4 hibernating until spring comes around, quick ? On that mount you have for MagSafe I built the same one but can’t seem to get it to stick on the plastic so I’m a try to do what you did and hook it up next to the climate control area but what’s that mount you used ? And also how did you get it to stick without falling off ? Awesome videos Tommy keep it up 👍🏻
It’s made by Rennline
Does a 430i gran coupe have a unlimited slip diff?
No it does not
How did you attach that magsafe charger to your car? I love the idea and looks
Here it goes: th-cam.com/video/tms54ZMOK9U/w-d-xo.html
I didn’t know just those bags give you much more traction :)
Yes! More weight
What a drive!!! But I don't miss it...blizzard of '96 did it for me...lol
I remember it
Me too.
I am wondering about, can I drive my m2 in Chicago or I should buy other car for winter time
Get winter tires and you’ll be fine
Can putting my summer tires on the trunk work ? Not sure how heavy 4 of them are or at least 2 of them in the trunk but I think its heavy enough to weigh down the back area of the car. Curious if tires are better or sandbag for weight.
It could...but not heavy enough
Transmition Manual its good, like Mazdaspeed3 manual good tires its good bork in the snow, i mis my masdaspeed3.😢
Those are fun cars !
do you have traction control off? does it make a difference
1:15
Did you watch the video?
I will hire an attorney next time and develop a proper disclaimer
Can we use chains on the rear wheel for a rwd car?
Yes but make sure you have clearance
What type of snows do u have on in this vid? My driveway is a steeper uphill gradient and I have never had an issue getting stuck even in a few inches of snow with my blizzaks and nothing in my trunk.
Slippery and wet
I plan on driving my f30 this winter in Minnesota.
You’ll love it !
how it go?
@@dracco2954great vikingcontact 7s are great in the snow.
Please dont tell people to turn TC off. Or atleast tell them about the risks surrounding it. Its dangerous for the everyday driver and it can save lifes. It's not just a feature which ruins the fun. There are many occasions in which it stabalises the car and prevents incidents. If you want to have fun then sure, turn it off but remember - it always has risks, so be carefull !
True
A manual M3 F80 INSANE 🤯😍
I love it!
been binge watching your channel today. some really useful and fun content. thanks and keep it up bro!
Great video 👍
Would be even more interesting how a RWD car without LSD would behave compared to your M3 with mechanical LSD !
I do drive a manual RWD M140i (ca 530Nm) with an MPerformance LSD (Drexler plates diff) and 225/40 18 winter tyres - so fare pretty good traction in cold rainy condition and mild snow
No experience in steep snow/icy roads so fare
I wonder if I can disable lsd
@@TommyLGarage won’t work probably
Would need another standard RWD 3 series without LSD for comparison
Though u drive differently with and without weights, different speed and without weights u also speeded up and make the wheels spin before getting stuck, think that is more the issue! also tbh nordic winter tires are ALOT better, its almost like driving in the summer, got a 335 f30 stage 2 rwd and bmw limited edition m5 f90 and i have never got stuck :) greetings from sweden!
Thanks for watching all the way from Sweden!!!
i dont really get it, what kind of tires you have on?? or is snow uncommon there? living country where we get tons of snow every winter it just seems weird that you are having problems on that kind of enviroment, im not trying to shit talk or anything im just confused
They are dedicated winter tires. I suspect they may not be in the best shape
@@TommyLGarage what kind of tires are you using? I use the brigstone blizzaks ws80 on my g37 sedan RWD and I never have trouble going up hills or driving in heavy snow
the only bad thing is that i dont have a m3, i dont care about a snow, rain, mud. i just want that car
Nice, finally someone with a manual M3 car :D
Always !
First time for me trying to drive a RWD sports car in the snow. 2023 Camaro SS with just all season tires.
How did you do??
@@TommyLGarage got stuck at the bottom of my driveway, and the car remained there untill the ice melted. Next year I’ll try some weight in the trunk
I think next winter , I'm going to drive mine!. :) just gotta find a proper set of tires and wheels. I'm thinking I just slap winter tires on my OEM wheels. and buy a set of wheels for
summer!
You have to!!!!
Why you driving summer tyres on winter???!!
Those were winter tires
If those are winter tires then buy decent winter tires designed for the right winter conditions!
I think the problem is from ur tires or from the car its self i think it is imported from warm countries , cause i have seen many guys haven't faced any problem in winter so idk 🤷♂️
Maybe !
You call that snow and winter?
Yes !
Awesome driving tips! I’m glad I watched as I have a 2020 M4 Competition Convertible in yaz marina blue with silverstone white interior and it can be a handful on a nice dry day
Glad you enjoyed it!
I love this car!!
Thanks. Me too!
Shew winter time is much exciting there. Well done. I remember at the other house you'd wash away all the salt and snow after driving. Does TLG 3.0 have that yet?
I don’t bother anymore. I just let it melt
Where is this recorded? This snow is nothing compared what we see in winters in Canada and my 550i handles slightly better
New Jersey
It sounds great 😮❤️🔥🔥🔥🔥
Thanks!!
Are those summer tires?
No; winter
I have drove A4 S line Quattro for many years, then i changed to M3, but I actually changed my mind already, wish i never done it! with Quattro you never get these issues!
Agreed!
@@TommyLGarage Genuine question Sir , what type of BMW would have the same quality as Quattro S Line in terms of driving on Snow and stability?
@@chamchamal1978 any X drive BMw honestly
Winter tyres would of have had any problems on the hill
These are winter tires
Im sorry i meant to say proper studded ones we have in Finland
@@tuomas7455 oh you’re right.
is that stock exhaust?
AA single midpipe
@@TommyLGarage it sounds amazing
Its better to fill a tank with petrol then puting those bags in trunk.
Not enough weight
Thank you for the video! I'm moving to Michigan and I'm seriously considering getting an E46 330i or 325i as a daily driver so this helps a lot!
Well..hold on a second. 330i will NOT have limited slip, so you will have significantly less traction, sine only one wheel will be spinning
@@TommyLGarage ah ok. I'll have to look for a M3 LSD or something aftermarket then as well if I got one. I'll keep that in mind!
@@philspaghet Or - M3
@@jackburns8808 E46 M3s are overpriced right now. I just want a decent sporty daily
Which winter tyres do you run ?
Dunlop winter sport 3D
Beautiful location
Thanks!
Just back upp Max to Get some speed and keep traction control on, trust me
The problem is I cannot back up because I was sitting on the curb.
The real problem starts with more snow like 10cm+.. I experienced times when it snowed half a meter of snow so only way to get from my home was on quad... But fr it's not funny to Drive quad in -20°C... Btw cars were stuck at home for a week.
Youre right!!!
i use a subwoofer as weight on my back wheels
Good idea !!!
by the way, where did you buy your shift nob?
Getbmwparts.com
higher gears going uphills and trac off is not better for every car. good video though!
Good point. Thanks !!
I had g37 rwd with good snow/ice tires and that was enough
Those are great cars !
Winter tires?
He has winter tires.
why don't you use chains? wouldn't that make it so you can go up the hills?
Car is too low for chains
@@TommyLGarage do you think i could get chains on a stock ride hight 350z
Best tip is don’t stop
True
Cool video! But you really should just have an rs4 or similar if you know you are going to be living in areas that are hilly and snowy!!
Or a Carrera 4S!
Do another one with deep snow
Here: th-cam.com/video/TtTXQepKTjA/w-d-xo.html
I think you’re using too much power. Don’t need that much gas, it’ll instantly get you stuck.
I’ll try again next year :)
I have a BMW 1 Series which is obviously RWD but snow tires are actually illegal in the UK so if it snows here i have to walk lol
Wow I didn’t know that! How come they’re illegal ?
Snow/winter tyres aren't illegal just studded tyres!
the short of it is drive the XC90 during winter 😂
Lol touché
but the m3 cant get the power down in general
That’s actually a good point
I would like for you to try this at my driveway when it snows next time. I will supply the weight in the rear 😂
I’ll be on my way!!
Nice,...education...👏👏👏👏👏👍😎.
Thanks!
@@TommyLGarage You are welcome,more videos like this one,please👍😎.
You need much lower gear selection in snow.
True