did this with some friends about 3 months ago but we did it as a day hike it took us about 15 hours, but started way to late and got to the car at 11. We did the full hike and the views, shear cliff and breathtaking formations is something to never forget. Any one that has the opportunity to do this, you need to take it
this is the best video i've seen so far. finding a backpacking overnight video on the narrows is tough! thank you! i'm heading there in september, so excited!! Good to know that a 90-60 forecast actually has way cooler temps!!
Truly an inspiring Video, well produced. The canyon just gets better and better as you go down. I think I could deal with the crowds for a couple of miles. Nice to see people from all over the world.
@@JerryArizona I wanted to let you know that we did the hike and it was amazing! We ended up floating our packs with the pack cover technique and it worked perfectly, so thank you for that! We didn't want to wait in line to try to avoid the swim. I ended up making a video to help others as well. Thank you!!
oMG thanks for showing this video because after hiking UP the narrows a few years ago, I swore I would never go back and my sister almost disowned me. It was sooooo, crowded, I hightailed it as fast as I could and we got about six miles up with no break Sis was pissed by then. Took a little break, more people kept coming and I promised her going back down that we would take an ample break. Going back it got even worse. Trying to dodge some people, I fell in the water and was horrified that even a drop got in my mouth, (you had to have been there and seen the people) I’m not usually scared of water in my mouth. I didn’t t stop until we got to the shuttle stop. I love nature and hate crowds. People were literally 2 miles upstream with floaties and bbq’s! Eweee. I guess doing the trip you took is off my bucket list. Thanks for letting me live vicariously through your adventure.
The last 3 miles were a buzz killer. We try to stay away from popular spots on holidays. It's hard to stay away from people, they are everywhere. We're in Northern Wisconsin and most tourists are gone now. Very very quiet in the woods. Love it! Started snowing as I type this. Thanks for your sharing your amazing adventures 😀
With a little time and distance, I don't really mind the last bit. We had miles of the canyon virtually to ourselves. And it was a holiday weekend, which I'd normally avoid in Zion, but when you get Narrows permits, you go. Luckily, with a backpack or a rope and helmet, we can experience parts of these parks that avoid the crowds. At least for most of the hike, anyway.
That’s what my mom said and decades later I went. I showed her photos of the crowds and she was stunned. Guess this was something one shoulda done decades ago.
Enjoyed watching this video. Done this hike many years ago the exact way you did it. Take the van to the top then hike down. I think it was in the early 1980's. Our campsite wasn't as far as you went, I think we were maybe mid-way thru the sites, dont remember the campsite # but we had to hike UP aways and to the right of the river. We were pretty high up looking down at the river. We had some rain in the night but not too bad. I think it was spring. One thing we did different from you was when we did the deep water crossings, I never took my backpack off. I had an old 4100 cubic inch Kelty frameback but inside of it I had a big waterproof rubber drybag that I had most of my stuff in. I trapped a bunch of air inside of the bag along with my equipment and clothes and so when I got into the water I found I was completely buoyant and could swim along just fine. The last three miles coming out we ran into just a few hikers, nothing like what you experienced with the crowds of people. But this was the 80's, before Zion got too popular. We also did Angels Landing a couple times back then and we had that trail pretty much to ourselves. It seems Zion has turned into a real madhouse. Still, a beautiful place I would love to go back someday but would have to figure out the best time of year to avoid the crowds.
Well, this was on a holiday weekend. Just happened to be when I could get permits. It's crowded, but not usually this bad. Almost had the whole canyon to ourselves on day 1. Main tricks to beat the crowds are taking a route that requires a rope or a backpack and avoiding the holidays. Crowded, but still amazing.
Loved your videos!! I'm with Tina on the people. Our first time visiting was on a Spring break.. swore I would never go back. Then a friend told me about visiting in winter. No shuttles and few people. We actually did Narrows bottom up in winter. Loved it!! After seeing your video, I would consider doing it from the top, but only in the winter! 😉
I subscribe to a number of outdoor/ hiking/ camping channels and I think yours just became my favorite. This video (specifically minutes 18-19) is why I CANNOT WAIT to be retired (counting the years) so I can go in the middle of the week. That crowd is absolute insanity, and would have ruined it for me too. Just..... UGH. And also, I want Tina to be my new BFF. :P Keep telling it like it is, Tina!
In retrospect, it was worth it. I think it may be the most beautiful canyon I've ever been in. But if you told me they were going to limit the entire canyon from the bottom up with permits, I would not complain. The crowds were out of hand. Nothing could have prepared me for THAT many people.
@@JerryArizona I honestly don't see how they can maintain this level of activity without big-time negative effects. Have you seen the crowds in Yellowstone? They MUST start a reservation system. There is just no other way unless our priority is to continue to put profit before preservation. Personally, I'll be devastated if I don't get to see the parks/places on my bucket list once I retire, but I'd rather that than their total destruction due to masses of (often unruly and disrespectful) humanity. :(
Hiked bottom up for a few miles on October 5, 2021. It was threatening rain later in the day. Took a day pack. After the Riverside walk, the people really thinned out. When the canyon narrowed, I took 40 pictures without a single person in view. An awesome day.
Yeah, the crowds definitely thin out the further in that you go. Or the earlier you go. There are always tricks to get around the crowds. We had a good mile or so of beautiful narrows past Big Spring with hardly anyone, even though day hiking was allowed there.
I love the honesty and seeing that someone else doesn’t view the Disneyland atmosphere as the epitome of paradise. Keep up the quality camera work and humorous inserts. Thanks for sharing.
Excellent camera work. I am no expert but if you can get a wider angle camera with a little more panorama, at least in some of the shots that would be nice. But I’m not criticizing this was just a joy to watch. Thank you so much Arizona clan.
Well done Tina and Jerry. You guys are BadAss, and really put together some great hiking videos. Beautiful place that I hope to visit someday soon. But I guess I will be part of the masses doing the up and back day trip. Safe travels, and Tex Mex!.
Wow, that is crazy about the cyanobacteria. Makes it way more challenging to have to pack all that water! You guys were livin' in luxury at campsite 12. I'll get campsite 12 next time but I'll check with you first since you have dibs :P
What the video didn't show was when I slammed me knee and shin full speed into an underwater rock. I ended up with multiple cuts and scratches (and did a face plant in the water). So I got to hike a good mile in the toxin filled water with open wounds....and I was fine. My pride was hurt a little bit, but otherwise fine.
The Narrows is great as a backpacking trip, right? That is pretty close. Maybe we'll run into each other eventually. I run into way more people that watch this channel out there than I ever thought I would.
Geez. Coincidentally skimming comments again and I realized it was you, man. I didn't realize that when I originally commented. My bad! I think when you ran into us in Buckskin it was one of the first times anyone recognized us. It would've been crazy to run into you a second time. Although it's sounding likely if you were here 6/14. We were just two weeks ahead of you.
Hi guys, only just found your channel... couldn't but not subscribe. I'm an oldtimer Englishman who relives past adventures through channels like yours. Love the interaction with your lovely wife.
Yeah. But as crowded as it is, you can find ways around the crowds. Have miles and miles all to ourselves from the top. Definitely recommend that as the way to see it.
I did bottom up on Election Day last year. First shuttle up and saw no one once I left Riverside walk all the way to big springs. Then on way down started seeing people but didn’t get crazy until bottom 3 miles. I hated people also when I was done.
What’s up? Recently discovered your channel and really enjoy your videos. They are well constructed, entertaining, educational, and even comical at times. My wife and I hike often; however, only day or half day hikes, usually under ten miles. We’re in the LA area, so in the San Gabriel’s often. Btw, one on the reasons we haven’t been to Zion in years are the ridiculous crowds. We hate them too, and avoid them as much as possible. Anyway, stay safe out there.
Luckily, we can avoid crowds even in Zion, but it takes work. You either have to backpack or do a technical canyoneering route, but it can be done. Unfortunately, the crowds at the end of this hike couldn't be avoided. With a little time between us and the crowds, I only remember the cool parts where we had the canyon to ourselves or almost to ourselves on the upper sections.
I love your videos so much and I love Tinas smart ass comments! We just moved to Phoenix, we hate people too but need friends haha can we be your friends? 😁
Just found your channel. I love the video. My husband and I want to hike in Zion someday. This makes me want to do it even more! Really crowded however..
It's definitely crowded, but worth it. You can have it to yourself if you work for it. Generally involves getting up early, going off season or using rappelling gear or a backpack.
So excited, we're at campground 12 next week. Hopefully midweek it won't be quite as bad. Although I did the bottom up hike just 15 years ago, and I don't know what you're talking about, it wasn't all that crowded.
All I can say is go as early in the morning as you can. The couple from livehardxlovehard had a great idea; they rented bikes and went in before the shuttles started. Check out their channel and video. Looked like the way to do it.
@@JerryArizona We did our own shuttling, which was a bit of a headache and we didn't start super early (but with a group of 11, the $600+ shuttle cost was hard to swallow). Everything came out well though, This hike met my expectations as probably the most astoundingly scenic hike I've ever done. Definitely a long day for the slower members of the group. With flow rate of 38 and temps in Springdale reaching 100, those who rented gear mostly regretted it - definitely no need for neoprene booties, people liked 2 poles better than 1, and those in their own shoes were more comfortable than rented boots.
Just did this last week top down in one day and the water level was much higher. Amazing hike. Brutal to do in one day, especially since you are rushed to make the last shuttle out. Great video, wish I got to enjoy it as much as you guys did… next time I will camp!
Wow thats shocking how low the water was...i did the whole thing as a day hike. Tough to be one of twelve. If you thought those bolders were hard imagine doing it in above knee water. It was all worth it
Yes. Permits are required through the Zion website. They go up on the 5th of the month. Just snagged some today, actually. I forget what time. Maybe 10AM Utah time? You need to be quick. There are 12 campsites for the narrows top down. If I remember right, they only reserve half(ish) of them in advance. The rest you go to the back country desk and hope you can get one. Don't quote me on that; check their website to be sure. You can also day hike the entire thing top to bottom, but I think that requires a permit too. Top down also needs a shuttle. Bottom up requires no permits, but you can't go further than Big Spring.
Fantastic video. Thanks for the honest commentary. Just out of curiosity, do you have a list of the gear you used? I was in Zion this past Memorial Day weekend myself but your set-up looks like it would make my life so much easier for when I top-down in September. I'm also quite curious as to what pants your wife was wearing. Thanks again 🤗
Glad you enjoyed. I actually did a video on our gear a few months ago. I can't get a link to work here, but it's called "Backpacking for Comfort & Tips on Gear". Depending on your experience level, you may want to pare down what we take (we over pack). Tina was wearing a pair of Arc'teryx Oriel leggings. She likes them because they're light, dry quickly and have pockets.
@@JerryArizona I found and watched your gear vid. Thanks for that. The one thing I didn't see in that video was which rainfly you guys used to float your packs in the deepest parts of the Virgin River. Otherwise, I LOVE how honest you both are. I find it both freshing and helpful 💪
@@elainaritenburgh8886 The rainflies actually came with the backpacks. Definitely make sure you double bag things inside your backpack just in case. The water is borderline too fast for using that trick.
Unfortunately, I didn't record the route and can't remember. I know that we got the earliest shuttle we could and arrived at camp maybe around 4 or 5? It's a full day of hiking. It gets really slow after you hit campsite 1 and it's a lot of boulders and walking in the creek. Expect that portion to be maybe half your normal speed. Up to that point it's pretty straightforward.
We got permit for next month. May I know your recommendation on shoes ? Are trail shoes required or just a pair of running sneakers will do? Thank you. Enjoyed this video
I wear either hiking shoes (Altra Olympus) or approach shoes (La Sportiva TX4's), but really just about any drainable hiking shoe or boot would work. Combine that with wool hiking socks or neoprene socks (I wore 3mm). Bring flip flops or something for camp.
Hello Jerry and Tina would this hike be good for beginners? we have hiked the narrows up 4.5 miles. Some what new to backpacking and we are looking at this hike. Stay safe
I wouldn't call this a beginner backpacking trip. You may want to look into West Fork (Sedona), Aravaipa, Baldy Loop in the White Mountains, lots in the Superstitions (when it's cooler)....If you're set on Zion, I'd recommend West Rim Trail over this to start. The Narrows isn't TOO bad, but the water adds logistics to think about.
@@JerryArizona 1of our favorite channels living in the California desert we know the heat. Will look at west rim and the Superstitions. looking for some easy for my wife Susan and Christina. Thanks for getting back to us.
That was a knock off of the Radiate Portable Campfire. The original is much larger (and too heavy to take on something like this.) The smaller one is tiny and really just for moral. They don't work for most hikes, but when things align (like here where you can get cold but not have a fire), they're great.
I've actually been to the Narrows 2 or 3 times since this and none were as bad. This was a holiday weekend and was especially out of hand. Still worth it for all the miles we had the canyon to ourselves.
I know that you guys probably try to edit other peeps out however there usually always are some that end up in most edits. Were there many people on the upper stretches? And do you think the other campsites were full at night?
I used to try to edit people out, but not as much any more. I want to show the experience. There were a couple groups at the very top (we shuttled with a few other people even), but we all spread out. Didn't see anyone for most of the day. A few groups in upper camps walked past us while we were packing up. There were a few people at Big Spring on day 2. But we had about a mile of the 'traditional' narrows almost to ourselves until the crowds started coming in. So really, the video shows how it was.
@@JerryArizona thanks so much for your reply. We are off to Zion and Bryce for a short trip. We want to get Angels Landing and the trail below Bryce Canyon rim with snow. It is supposed to be 2-5 inches so it should make the red mountains and green trees pop without covering them up with snow..................Happy Trails
Damn, what's her rush? Stop and smell the roses. Patience is a virtue etc etc etc Dude, next time wear convertible zip off hiking pants (Kuhl makes a really good pair) or just tell her see ya when I see ya, I'm putting on my freaking shorts lol
It is, but it's extremely difficult. I don't recall the exact distance, but it would be a long day. Add in the walking conditions (lots of walking in the water with slick rocks), it's more challenging than normal routes of similar distance. But they allow it (I think a permit is still required) and people do it.
Hello all, I'm doing this next month. Where should I park my car and not pay the meter or lot $1,000? Also, can anyone advise on the shuttle service, please? Best wishes to everyone everyday.
We used Red Rock Shuttle. Used them a few times, actually. I would get to the visitor center super early and park in the lot. Parking is free, but they fill up. Get the earliest shuttle you can to pick you up there and take you to Chamberlain Ranch. Hike top down and you can catch a free shuttle from Temple of Sinawava back to your car.
Hey Jerry! I know this is a bit of an older video, but I was wondering your thoughts on hiking the narrows top down in early November. I am hoping to do this trail on about November 6th, I called the park and they said that I will likely be receiving a full dry /wet suit for the trip. What would be some of your recommendations for keeping my pack dry and maybe some general tips for the trip overall? Thank you in advance! :)
If I remember correctly, it’s pretty much ankle deep water to Big Spring. It’s MUCH colder at the top. You get to waist/chest/swimming in the narrows sections, but only in spots. It’s a deep canyon, so you’ll be in the shade a lot of the time. Personally, I don’t know if I’d do it that time of year. Last year I went to do west rim trail in November and the road to lava point was impassable due to snow. Guess it depends on your tolerance for cold and your gear. No fires allowed either so if you get cold, there aren’t good options to warm up. A woman died of hypothermia there last year in late November. It you go and are doing an overnight, bring cold weather gear you’ve used and have tested down to the expected low temps. Put the stuff inside your backpack in a garbage disposal or dry bag to keep it dry. Bring a change of clothes to change into at night. Bring a PLB for emergencies. I don’t recommend trying it if you haven’t experienced similar temps for camping. That’s not a place you want to figure out your gear isn’t sufficient. Bring hiking poles for stability. Keep in mind I’m also a desert dweller, so cold weather camping isn’t my thing. Some people can camp on a mountain 10’ snow pack and not think twice, but I’d freeze to death doing it. If your gear and experience are sufficient, you’ll be OK.
@@JerryArizona thank you for the tips!!! So far the weather forecast isn’t looking too bad. I’m fairly new to backpacking, but I’m originally from Wisconsin and have camped in cold spring times up north before without much avail. The desert is definitely a different experience for me! Haha! I’m certainly go to garner as much information, tips/advice from people as I can before making a final decision. They do have dry/wet suits for rent at some of the outfitters in the park which I will CERTAINLY be renting from. Good to know about the depth of the River, will definitely NOT be bringing my mirrorless with for that hike then.. unfortunately. Thank you very much for the info!!
@@Woah_sagez well, you could get a canyon keg or other sort of dry bag for your camera. I didn't bring mine because I was more focused on video. I have dragged a mirrorless through the subway with a canyoneering dry keg (just put a rag in with it to keep it from rattling around), but it was a pain to take out. Keep in mind that the canyon conditions will change, so you could possibly encounter deep spots or obstructions in places I didn't. But it seemed like you wouldn't get into too much deep water until the narrows. As far as a wetsuit or dry suit, I have only used a wet suit. They're heavy if you get a thicker one, so keep that in mind. And they're really hot if you aren't in the water much. So a normal wetsuit could be a pain at times. You can get around this by unzipping the top and only pulling it up to your waist if the water is shallow. A two piece might be more convenient. Not sure on dry suits. I know that they are notorious for pinholes from rental places. People have gotten in trouble with that in places like Heaps. Water seeps in the pinhole and makes the suit pretty useless.
@@JerryArizona yeah I dont know how worth it that would be for the camera. My phone is waterproof and takes pretty decent pictures so I’ll probably just stick with that, haha! Good info on the suits though thank you! Not too familiar with them but knowing they’re heavy is important. I’m just glad I got a campsite along the trail that way I can easily cut the trip into two days!
Agreed. Unless your kids are seasoned backpackers, I'd never attempt top down. Maybe bottom up, but you'd have to keep in mind you might have to turn around a lot sooner than you wanted to. I know my kids wouldn't make it far.
@@JerryArizona My kids could hike 15 miles a day on the PCT (from about age 8), reliably. It wasn't uncommon for us to do a 10-20 mile hike every weekend. But, this trail proved to be a nightmare for three of my five. They were fine once we reached the creek (bottom up)... but they HATED the approach and the return with a passion. Never quite figured out why. Ironically, the two that didn't complain will only do a top-down route as adults.
I know Zion has become insanely popular, but everyone should know to avoid it on Holidays at all costs. That said: If I could get a Top Down Narrows permit anytime, I would take it.
Yeah, that's what happened to us. When the permits went up, I only had a couple seconds to get them. The dates I wanted went too fast, so I ended up with a holiday weekend. Still worth it, as we had the canyon almost to ourselves except the very end.
@@JerryArizona my last Zion visit was on Memorial Weekend and it was a madhouse. It couldn't be avoided as it was family from East Coast and a tight schedule. Never again!
As you are walking could you show the trail please so we could see what it's like and if we can navigate it? Just take the camera off yourself (again) so we can judge if this is for us. I know it's tough, really tough not to stick that camera at yourself......Thanks for understanding the viewers point of view....... (I really don't think you are going to do that.)
I have to ask… did you actually watch the video? If so, I can’t understand how you missed the numerous shots of the trail (when there was one), the shots of our feet on the trail or in the river, and the shots of us swimming or wading in waist deep water because that was the only option. Many of the shots of Jerry talking are him explaining trail conditions, how you get to and from the trail, tips on how to pack for a backpacking trip that requires being in water most of the time, campsites, and how to float a backpack when you have to swim. All of which would be helpful to someone deciding if they could do this hike or not. Yes, he also records us enjoying ourselves as well as when we’re hating the trail. Many people find this helpful, since we are both 50 and not in peak physical condition. If you were unable to find any useful trail information in this video, TH-cam has thousands of videos featuring this hike that you can peruse. Feel free to move along.
FWIW - Saturation is a bit too high in your post editing, mate. I'd be a little pissed to expect what I see in your video as so vivid and colorful to only realize that it isn't quite so. There's definitely those colors, but that constraint was set to 100 out of 100, when maybe 20 out of 100 would be just fine.
How to make a canyon seem even smaller. Just add several thousand people. Having done many solo hikes & small groups, it's always a shock to get back to a busy place. It makes you yearn for the solitude all the more. When I'm alone on a hike, I feel embraced by nature, my senses seem more heightened & I'm aware of many small details. It's a powerful primal thing & I'm sure you guys understand it too when you get into these special places with very few or no one around. Thank you for these videos that help keep me sane in an insane world!
You're welcome. And with some time and space between this trip, we're ready to do it again. It's just that initial shock, like you said. I remember going through Imlay. About as rugged and wild as it gets. Last rappel was into the narrows, but it was late enough it wasn't too crowded. We got back to the Visitor Center and my buddies wanted to go to the Bar to get food. I walked in and it was standing room only. I couldn't take it. It was overwhelming after being out there for the whole day. I had to walk outside and wait for them to get their food.
The first 85% the narrows was so awesome.... then the muddy disneyland..haha, not as much. But still a great adventure! Campsite 12 is now going to be booked;)
Campsite 12 is definitely where it's at. And it's funny. The more days that go by, the less I remember the crowds at the end and the more I think about the first 15 miles of awesomeness.
@@WifingAround absolutely! I have the pad as well. Doesn’t even compare with a chair, but better than nothing on the really long trips where weight really counts. I’ve only done one trip where I didn’t bring it.
The narrows is so busy, there are so many other hikes outside zion that everyone overlooks, I was over zion and now I want to go back, that is how it gets people, you hike once and can't stop going back! In April, my family and I did a backpack trip in the Kolob Canyons part of the park, it was so amazing and now I really just want to see the narrows again! I just love your videos!
I've day hiked this a couple of times. Now prefer Orderville Canyon because you are stumbling over mossy bowling balls you can't see in the Virgin River for many fewer miles.
OOH! Perfect! We did the Narrows bottom up but keep thinking how cool it would be to get the permits and go the other way one day. Of course the crowds now look NOTHING like when we went even a few years ago. That is INSANITY that you captured. Yeah... might be permit time for both ways I'm thinking.
Just an FYI, I do occasional work for the shuttle van company you probably rode on to Chamberlin. On normal busy weekends since summer 2020, a busy day was selling 250-350 tickets into the canyon (which is now suspended thanks to the infinite stupidity of the NPS). Sunday Memorial weekend we sold 850. As I've been telling people for years, rule #1, never go to a place like Zion on a 3 day weekend unless you like crowds. You need to emphasize that you made that mistake in your video. When I conducted a tour from Sinawava to mouth of Orderville on a weekday after Memorial Day, there was probably a third of the people. That portion of the canyon is the most impressive in my opinion, the portion that you referred to as a muddy Disneyland. Bad bad bad. I didn't see any mud. This is the portion that most people can only see and don't have the luxury, strength, or know-how to do the hike you guys did. The Narrows bottom up and Angels Landing doesn't need a permit system, the WHOLE canyon needs a permit system, just like The Wave, but maybe just a few more people. That's my 2 cents.
Yeah. Good points. I can't really change a video once it's posted though. But this isn't a video about how to avoid crowds in Zion. This is a video about our top down trip in the Narrows. The shuttle driver did say it was the longest line for park shuttles he's ever seen (definitely the longest I've ever seen.) As I'm sure you know, Narrows permits are tough to get and it's a scramble when they are released. So I got what I got and had to make do. We still had an amazing trip in what I consider one of the most beautiful canyons I have ever seen. The montage from Big Spring up to the crowds was meant to showcase that beauty....and that section can be enjoyed from the bottom up. I get where you are coming from and try to refrain from the negative, but I also want to be honest. And I appreciate that for a lot of people, that's a bucket list destination and bottom up is their only option. I did not intend to dig on the canyon or the hike or the park or people who enjoy it that way. But that's just how I personally felt about the trip. I ABSOLUTELY agree they need a permit system for the entire canyon. I am a big fan of permit systems. After all, that's probably the only reason the upper 15 miles were so amazing and peaceful.
@@JerryArizona Understood on you being honest with your experience. Hopefully people will remember you said Memorial Weekend and will understand why it was abnormally busy. Two pet peeves: 1) a reservation system is definitely needed in Zion Canyon and 2) TH-cam definitely needs an option to update a video. Been there done that. After posting a video and I notice something was miss-pronounced, miss-spelled, or downright wrong information, I don't want to lose all the quality comments already posted. Instead, I have to delete the video, all the comments and start over. Bad. Oh well, at least we have a TH-cam. If you ever want to revisit the Narrows during a better time, try the first week of December. The video I created while working there shows a tour I lead when the few trees in the canyon were glowing bright yellow: th-cam.com/video/wVNanYCgtaE/w-d-xo.html
About to do this hike with my brother in October. Loved watching the whole thing and you all both have great personalities. I also feel much more at ease after watching and preparing for an overnight trip! Will definitely be wearing the right socks haha. Thanks for such a great video
Thanks! May be a little chilly up top at Chamberlain Ranch when you're starting, so bring layers. I think it was 20~30 cfs during this trip. We recently did it again (you can check my more recent uploads. It's within the last 3~4) around 40~50 cfs. Just know that it gets a LOT slower due to all the rocks and walking in the river once you hit the first campsite. That walk from campsite 1 to 12 seemed to take forever this last trip. The narrows themselves were a lot less crowded though. This video was over a holiday weekend when the park was at peak capacity.
Beautiful!! Well done ! Great edit ! I was thinking no El Patio in Zion . That was funny ! Some day I’m sure we will run into you there ha ha . We camped the west end of Rim Memorial weekend and hardly saw anyone. They must have been all hiking the narrows ha ha ! Road tripped it to Indiana to visit Grandkids. Got a good hike day under 5 miles in New Mexico of 1-40 . Off can be off road as we are over-landing it . Probably be back in AZ next weekend. Thank you Tina also ! Takes two to Tango !
Wow that looks like so much fun, I look forward to visiting that area as well, Love your wifes humor lol, has me and my wife laughing, Love her! And your guys sense of people is spot on! lol You guys looks like you would be awesome friends to have.
Great video. I am an older female hiker wanting to know what brand Tina’s shirts and legging were. It looked like they dried really quickly and didn’t show dirt much. Would love some info! Thanks for sharing!
We were there last week and got up at 4am for parking spot and waited in shuttle line for 90 minutes. They were short of drivers One was just lost from COVID. The crowds took away from the ambiance for sure. Lesson learned is that if you like somewhere, don’t tell anyone about it. Love your video and chairs
Dude! Was JUST talking about doing this exact trip over a upcoming Memorial Day weekend with my brother...during a backpacking trip to the ND Badlands this past Memorial Day weekend. Always enjoy the vids! Thanks for the info....will definitely stay away from campsite #12....lol.
OMG! The crowds at the end were insane! I did the bottom up 3 years ago in Nov & it was deserted compared to what you had to deal with. Great video though. The 1st day had to be so peaceful having that beautiful canyon all to yourselves.
Great video. Can you let me know what shuttle company you used to get from the visitor center? We are going in September and I'm looking for a shuttle.
@@JerryArizona Awesome. Thanks for the quick reply. It looks like they are only leaving from Zion Adventures now. We will be through hiking and I wanted to try to have a car in the park so we don't have to shuttle outside the park when we are done. Having just booked the permits, I'm still trying to figure all that out.
@@dgassert when in doubt, call them. It is a hassle figuring out shuttles and things. When we went, they were still letting private shuttles into the main canyon. I know that’s changed. It’s always changing.
Loved the top down route. We were just back and it wasn't nearly as crowded at the bottom. But this trip was on a holiday weekend, so the crowds would naturally be at their worst.
I'm surprised Bryce wasn't just as bad. Guess with all these parks, it depends more on where you go than when you go if you want to avoid crowds. I've been able to have a lot of experiences in Zion with almost perfect solitude, including the first 15 miles of this trip.
@@JerryArizona Well, I got my backcountry permits early on Saturday morning and got below the Rim before the crowds really started. It probably was a zoo, but I missed most of it (thankfully). Not many people outside of the shorter, main loop trails, but I got a bit of the crowd on Monday when I went back to do Wall Street and the Navajo Loop. Kinda sounds like your experience... nice and quiet in the backcountry and a quick dose of reality as you got closer to the day hikers.
Love it! Enjoy watching you both. We are thinking of hiking/camping this in the next couple months. Only concern is water height this time of year. Any advice?
Thank you. Next couple of months should be good. You will need to be mostly concerned with storms. Especially monsoons later in the summer/early fall. Make sure you check the weather often and ask about the current conditions at the back country desk when you get your permits. They won't let you go if the flow is too high, but if a storm is coming and the flow is currently low, they may just warn you. In that case, it's always advisible to play it safe.
Holly ! crowded like champs elysées ! I was lucky to be there twice with few people in it.First in1997 and second time in 2008 so wonderfull an good shots. Thanks for this 3rd time.
In all fairness to the Narrows, this was an especially busy holiday weekend. Normally I wouldn't go on a holiday, but the permits are hard to get so we went with what we got. It's always such a shock to me when I go from wilderness solitude to crowds, so we weren't in the best head space at the end. I've been back a few times since and it was not nearly as crowded. Not to mention we had many, many miles of the canyon to ourselves even on the holiday trip.
Love the honesty of how crowded the Narrows have become. Great video, thanks!
Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful guys, thank you.
did this with some friends about 3 months ago but we did it as a day hike it took us about 15 hours, but started way to late and got to the car at 11. We did the full hike and the views, shear cliff and breathtaking formations is something to never forget. Any one that has the opportunity to do this, you need to take it
Love Zion and this route was especially amazing. Hopefully doing it again soon, actually.
YES!.
I lost my phone in there a year ago. I think right past where you floated the packs was where.
this is the best video i've seen so far. finding a backpacking overnight video on the narrows is tough! thank you! i'm heading there in september, so excited!! Good to know that a 90-60 forecast actually has way cooler temps!!
Glad you found it helpful! Any questions, just ask. It is one of the most beautiful canyons I've ever seen. (Even with all the people at the end.)
Truly an inspiring Video, well produced. The canyon just gets better and better as you go down. I think I could deal with the crowds for a couple of miles. Nice to see people from all over the world.
@@JerryArizona I wanted to let you know that we did the hike and it was amazing! We ended up floating our packs with the pack cover technique and it worked perfectly, so thank you for that! We didn't want to wait in line to try to avoid the swim. I ended up making a video to help others as well. Thank you!!
So little time, so much to see❤❤
An awesome trip. What a gorgeous canyon. Your video is excellent, as usual, so many beautiful shots. Thanks for bringing us along!
oMG thanks for showing this video because after hiking UP the narrows a few years ago, I swore I would never go back and my sister almost disowned me. It was sooooo, crowded, I hightailed it as fast as I could and we got about six miles up with no break Sis was pissed by then. Took a little break, more people kept coming and I promised her going back down that we would take an ample break. Going back it got even worse. Trying to dodge some people, I fell in the water and was horrified that even a drop got in my mouth, (you had to have been there and seen the people) I’m not usually scared of water in my mouth. I didn’t t stop until we got to the shuttle stop. I love nature and hate crowds. People were literally 2 miles upstream with floaties and bbq’s! Eweee. I guess doing the trip you took is off my bucket list. Thanks for letting me live vicariously through your adventure.
The last 3 miles were a buzz killer. We try to stay away from popular spots on holidays. It's hard to stay away from people, they are everywhere. We're in Northern Wisconsin and most tourists are gone now. Very very quiet in the woods. Love it! Started snowing as I type this. Thanks for your sharing your amazing adventures 😀
With a little time and distance, I don't really mind the last bit. We had miles of the canyon virtually to ourselves. And it was a holiday weekend, which I'd normally avoid in Zion, but when you get Narrows permits, you go. Luckily, with a backpack or a rope and helmet, we can experience parts of these parks that avoid the crowds. At least for most of the hike, anyway.
The Narrows, my favorite hike. Well done guys.
Absolutely incredible. With a little time, the crowds are a distant memory and all I can remember is how beautiful it was.
Love the honesty !
Tina will always say what's on her mind.
Stunning!
Hiked the Narrows twice: in late Sept 76 and in early Oct 78. Beautiful fall colors and nobody else there but us...all the way through.
That’s what my mom said and decades later I went. I showed her photos of the crowds and she was stunned. Guess this was something one shoulda done decades ago.
Enjoyed watching this video. Done this hike many years ago the exact way you did it. Take the van to the top then hike down. I think it was in the early 1980's. Our campsite wasn't as far as you went, I think we were maybe mid-way thru the sites, dont remember the campsite # but we had to hike UP aways and to the right of the river. We were pretty high up looking down at the river. We had some rain in the night but not too bad. I think it was spring. One thing we did different from you was when we did the deep water crossings, I never took my backpack off. I had an old 4100 cubic inch Kelty frameback but inside of it I had a big waterproof rubber drybag that I had most of my stuff in. I trapped a bunch of air inside of the bag along with my equipment and clothes and so when I got into the water I found I was completely buoyant and could swim along just fine. The last three miles coming out we ran into just a few hikers, nothing like what you experienced with the crowds of people. But this was the 80's, before Zion got too popular. We also did Angels Landing a couple times back then and we had that trail pretty much to ourselves. It seems Zion has turned into a real madhouse. Still, a beautiful place I would love to go back someday but would have to figure out the best time of year to avoid the crowds.
Well, this was on a holiday weekend. Just happened to be when I could get permits. It's crowded, but not usually this bad. Almost had the whole canyon to ourselves on day 1. Main tricks to beat the crowds are taking a route that requires a rope or a backpack and avoiding the holidays. Crowded, but still amazing.
Loved your videos!! I'm with Tina on the people. Our first time visiting was on a Spring break.. swore I would never go back. Then a friend told me about visiting in winter. No shuttles and few people. We actually did Narrows bottom up in winter. Loved it!! After seeing your video, I would consider doing it from the top, but only in the winter! 😉
I've always been too nervous of water temps to do that one in the winter. Done plenty of other stuff in winter to get some solitude though.
I subscribe to a number of outdoor/ hiking/ camping channels and I think yours just became my favorite. This video (specifically minutes 18-19) is why I CANNOT WAIT to be retired (counting the years) so I can go in the middle of the week. That crowd is absolute insanity, and would have ruined it for me too. Just..... UGH.
And also, I want Tina to be my new BFF. :P Keep telling it like it is, Tina!
In retrospect, it was worth it. I think it may be the most beautiful canyon I've ever been in. But if you told me they were going to limit the entire canyon from the bottom up with permits, I would not complain. The crowds were out of hand. Nothing could have prepared me for THAT many people.
@@JerryArizona I honestly don't see how they can maintain this level of activity without big-time negative effects. Have you seen the crowds in Yellowstone? They MUST start a reservation system. There is just no other way unless our priority is to continue to put profit before preservation.
Personally, I'll be devastated if I don't get to see the parks/places on my bucket list once I retire, but I'd rather that than their total destruction due to masses of (often unruly and disrespectful) humanity. :(
Hiked bottom up for a few miles on October 5, 2021. It was threatening rain later in the day. Took a day pack. After the Riverside walk, the people really thinned out. When the canyon narrowed, I took 40 pictures without a single person in view. An awesome day.
Yeah, the crowds definitely thin out the further in that you go. Or the earlier you go. There are always tricks to get around the crowds. We had a good mile or so of beautiful narrows past Big Spring with hardly anyone, even though day hiking was allowed there.
I love the honesty and seeing that someone else doesn’t view the Disneyland atmosphere as the epitome of paradise. Keep up the quality camera work and humorous inserts. Thanks for sharing.
Excellent camera work. I am no expert but if you can get a wider angle camera with a little more panorama, at least in some of the shots that would be nice. But I’m not criticizing this was just a joy to watch. Thank you so much Arizona clan.
Great hike and scenery despite the rough ending. I would have loved to see that scene with the butterfly dancing with Tina in a little slo-mo clip!
Nice catch on that shot. We even had a hummingbird do something similar, but I wasn't quick enough to catch it.
Well done Tina and Jerry. You guys are BadAss, and really put together some great hiking videos. Beautiful place that I hope to visit someday soon. But I guess I will be part of the masses doing the up and back day trip. Safe travels, and Tex Mex!.
Wow, that is crazy about the cyanobacteria. Makes it way more challenging to have to pack all that water! You guys were livin' in luxury at campsite 12. I'll get campsite 12 next time but I'll check with you first since you have dibs :P
What the video didn't show was when I slammed me knee and shin full speed into an underwater rock. I ended up with multiple cuts and scratches (and did a face plant in the water). So I got to hike a good mile in the toxin filled water with open wounds....and I was fine. My pride was hurt a little bit, but otherwise fine.
Very good guys!
My family and I just backpacked narrows on 6/14-15, and lottery (but fail) the wave in person on 6/16. Very close to bump into you again :-)
The Narrows is great as a backpacking trip, right? That is pretty close. Maybe we'll run into each other eventually. I run into way more people that watch this channel out there than I ever thought I would.
Geez. Coincidentally skimming comments again and I realized it was you, man. I didn't realize that when I originally commented. My bad! I think when you ran into us in Buckskin it was one of the first times anyone recognized us. It would've been crazy to run into you a second time. Although it's sounding likely if you were here 6/14. We were just two weeks ahead of you.
Absolutely beautiful! Damn those last 3 miles looked awful, really wanted Tina to use her poles to clear a path through the hordes! lol
Apparently the park service frowns upon that. I've looked it up.
You have the best channel and now my wife and I have all these hikes we are needing to do... ugh, where to begin?!
Haha! Start small and close to home and build up from there!
I'm slowly getting caught up on your vids... AND NOW I GOTTA GET INTO CANYONEERING! GREAT!! 😂
Epic hike.
Hi guys, only just found your channel... couldn't but not subscribe. I'm an oldtimer Englishman who relives past adventures through channels like yours. Love the interaction with your lovely wife.
Thanks! Glad you like the videos.
It’s crazy how many people go to the narrows without any preparation.
Too many people in the last 3 to 4 miles. Definitely going back and starting from the top
Yeah. But as crowded as it is, you can find ways around the crowds. Have miles and miles all to ourselves from the top. Definitely recommend that as the way to see it.
I did bottom up on Election Day last year. First shuttle up and saw no one once I left Riverside walk all the way to big springs. Then on way down started seeing people but didn’t get crazy until bottom 3 miles. I hated people also when I was done.
Looks beautiful but there is no way I could handle all those people.
What’s up? Recently discovered your channel and really enjoy your videos. They are well constructed, entertaining, educational, and even comical at times.
My wife and I hike often; however, only day or half day hikes, usually under ten miles. We’re in the LA area, so in the San Gabriel’s often.
Btw, one on the reasons we haven’t been to Zion in years are the ridiculous crowds. We hate them too, and avoid them as much as possible.
Anyway, stay safe out there.
Luckily, we can avoid crowds even in Zion, but it takes work. You either have to backpack or do a technical canyoneering route, but it can be done. Unfortunately, the crowds at the end of this hike couldn't be avoided. With a little time between us and the crowds, I only remember the cool parts where we had the canyon to ourselves or almost to ourselves on the upper sections.
I love your videos so much and I love Tinas smart ass comments! We just moved to Phoenix, we hate people too but need friends haha can we be your friends? 😁
Just found your channel. I love the video. My husband and I want to hike in Zion someday. This makes me want to do it even more! Really crowded however..
It's definitely crowded, but worth it. You can have it to yourself if you work for it. Generally involves getting up early, going off season or using rappelling gear or a backpack.
Two poles always when backpacking!
Absolutely.
So excited, we're at campground 12 next week. Hopefully midweek it won't be quite as bad. Although I did the bottom up hike just 15 years ago, and I don't know what you're talking about, it wasn't all that crowded.
All I can say is go as early in the morning as you can. The couple from livehardxlovehard had a great idea; they rented bikes and went in before the shuttles started. Check out their channel and video. Looked like the way to do it.
@@JerryArizona We did our own shuttling, which was a bit of a headache and we didn't start super early (but with a group of 11, the $600+ shuttle cost was hard to swallow). Everything came out well though, This hike met my expectations as probably the most astoundingly scenic hike I've ever done. Definitely a long day for the slower members of the group. With flow rate of 38 and temps in Springdale reaching 100, those who rented gear mostly regretted it - definitely no need for neoprene booties, people liked 2 poles better than 1, and those in their own shoes were more comfortable than rented boots.
Just did this last week top down in one day and the water level was much higher. Amazing hike. Brutal to do in one day, especially since you are rushed to make the last shuttle out. Great video, wish I got to enjoy it as much as you guys did… next time I will camp!
Wow. Top down in a day has to be brutal. But still the best way to do it.
Wow thats shocking how low the water was...i did the whole thing as a day hike. Tough to be one of twelve. If you thought those bolders were hard imagine doing it in above knee water. It was all worth it
great video - did you have to book something separately do to the top down hike?
Yes. Permits are required through the Zion website. They go up on the 5th of the month. Just snagged some today, actually. I forget what time. Maybe 10AM Utah time? You need to be quick. There are 12 campsites for the narrows top down. If I remember right, they only reserve half(ish) of them in advance. The rest you go to the back country desk and hope you can get one. Don't quote me on that; check their website to be sure. You can also day hike the entire thing top to bottom, but I think that requires a permit too. Top down also needs a shuttle. Bottom up requires no permits, but you can't go further than Big Spring.
Awesome Video. Thanks!
Fantastic video. Thanks for the honest commentary. Just out of curiosity, do you have a list of the gear you used? I was in Zion this past Memorial Day weekend myself but your set-up looks like it would make my life so much easier for when I top-down in September. I'm also quite curious as to what pants your wife was wearing. Thanks again 🤗
Glad you enjoyed. I actually did a video on our gear a few months ago. I can't get a link to work here, but it's called "Backpacking for Comfort & Tips on Gear". Depending on your experience level, you may want to pare down what we take (we over pack). Tina was wearing a pair of Arc'teryx Oriel leggings. She likes them because they're light, dry quickly and have pockets.
@@JerryArizona I found and watched your gear vid. Thanks for that. The one thing I didn't see in that video was which rainfly you guys used to float your packs in the deepest parts of the Virgin River. Otherwise, I LOVE how honest you both are. I find it both freshing and helpful 💪
@@elainaritenburgh8886 The rainflies actually came with the backpacks. Definitely make sure you double bag things inside your backpack just in case. The water is borderline too fast for using that trick.
Awesome! Thanks for posting. How long did it take you to get to Site 12?
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Unfortunately, I didn't record the route and can't remember. I know that we got the earliest shuttle we could and arrived at camp maybe around 4 or 5? It's a full day of hiking. It gets really slow after you hit campsite 1 and it's a lot of boulders and walking in the creek. Expect that portion to be maybe half your normal speed. Up to that point it's pretty straightforward.
We got permit for next month. May I know your recommendation on shoes ? Are trail shoes required or just a pair of running sneakers will do? Thank you. Enjoyed this video
I wear either hiking shoes (Altra Olympus) or approach shoes (La Sportiva TX4's), but really just about any drainable hiking shoe or boot would work. Combine that with wool hiking socks or neoprene socks (I wore 3mm). Bring flip flops or something for camp.
Hello Jerry and Tina would this hike be good for beginners? we have hiked the narrows up 4.5 miles. Some what new to backpacking and we are looking at this hike. Stay safe
I wouldn't call this a beginner backpacking trip. You may want to look into West Fork (Sedona), Aravaipa, Baldy Loop in the White Mountains, lots in the Superstitions (when it's cooler)....If you're set on Zion, I'd recommend West Rim Trail over this to start. The Narrows isn't TOO bad, but the water adds logistics to think about.
@@JerryArizona 1of our favorite channels
living in the California desert we know the heat. Will look at west rim and the Superstitions. looking for some easy for my wife Susan and Christina. Thanks for getting back to us.
Awesome video! I am trying to do this in June! What was the little fire thing that used at Campsite 12?
That was a knock off of the Radiate Portable Campfire. The original is much larger (and too heavy to take on something like this.) The smaller one is tiny and really just for moral. They don't work for most hikes, but when things align (like here where you can get cold but not have a fire), they're great.
Went from a beautiful hike to walking through some nature shopping mall. All the people!! 🤢🤢 lol
I've actually been to the Narrows 2 or 3 times since this and none were as bad. This was a holiday weekend and was especially out of hand. Still worth it for all the miles we had the canyon to ourselves.
I know that you guys probably try to edit other peeps out however there usually always are some that end up in most edits. Were there many people on the upper stretches? And do you think the other campsites were full at night?
I used to try to edit people out, but not as much any more. I want to show the experience. There were a couple groups at the very top (we shuttled with a few other people even), but we all spread out. Didn't see anyone for most of the day. A few groups in upper camps walked past us while we were packing up. There were a few people at Big Spring on day 2. But we had about a mile of the 'traditional' narrows almost to ourselves until the crowds started coming in. So really, the video shows how it was.
@@JerryArizona thanks so much for your reply. We are off to Zion and Bryce for a short trip. We want to get Angels Landing and the trail below Bryce Canyon rim with snow. It is supposed to be 2-5 inches so it should make the red mountains and green trees pop without covering them up with snow..................Happy Trails
Damn, what's her rush? Stop and smell the roses. Patience is a virtue etc etc etc
Dude, next time wear convertible zip off hiking pants (Kuhl makes a really good pair) or just tell her see ya when I see ya, I'm putting on my freaking shorts lol
Thank you ❤! (Maybe Campsite 2 & 12 ?)
Yea, Sedona is definitely crowded. We go early, off season, with backpacks and/or with canyoneering gear.
Is this doable in a day?
It is, but it's extremely difficult. I don't recall the exact distance, but it would be a long day. Add in the walking conditions (lots of walking in the water with slick rocks), it's more challenging than normal routes of similar distance. But they allow it (I think a permit is still required) and people do it.
Hello all, I'm doing this next month. Where should I park my car and not pay the meter or lot $1,000? Also, can anyone advise on the shuttle service, please? Best wishes to everyone everyday.
We used Red Rock Shuttle. Used them a few times, actually. I would get to the visitor center super early and park in the lot. Parking is free, but they fill up. Get the earliest shuttle you can to pick you up there and take you to Chamberlain Ranch. Hike top down and you can catch a free shuttle from Temple of Sinawava back to your car.
Top down way to go and with neoprene booties
Welp… it was nice and peaceful until you got to the other side of the Narrows. The crowd of people! Wow!
Yeah. I've been back a couple times since and this trip (a holiday weekend) was definitely the most crowded. Still worth it. We're ready to go back.
Hey Jerry! I know this is a bit of an older video, but I was wondering your thoughts on hiking the narrows top down in early November. I am hoping to do this trail on about November 6th, I called the park and they said that I will likely be receiving a full dry /wet suit for the trip. What would be some of your recommendations for keeping my pack dry and maybe some general tips for the trip overall? Thank you in advance! :)
If I remember correctly, it’s pretty much ankle deep water to Big Spring. It’s MUCH colder at the top. You get to waist/chest/swimming in the narrows sections, but only in spots. It’s a deep canyon, so you’ll be in the shade a lot of the time. Personally, I don’t know if I’d do it that time of year. Last year I went to do west rim trail in November and the road to lava point was impassable due to snow. Guess it depends on your tolerance for cold and your gear. No fires allowed either so if you get cold, there aren’t good options to warm up. A woman died of hypothermia there last year in late November. It you go and are doing an overnight, bring cold weather gear you’ve used and have tested down to the expected low temps. Put the stuff inside your backpack in a garbage disposal or dry bag to keep it dry. Bring a change of clothes to change into at night. Bring a PLB for emergencies. I don’t recommend trying it if you haven’t experienced similar temps for camping. That’s not a place you want to figure out your gear isn’t sufficient. Bring hiking poles for stability. Keep in mind I’m also a desert dweller, so cold weather camping isn’t my thing. Some people can camp on a mountain 10’ snow pack and not think twice, but I’d freeze to death doing it. If your gear and experience are sufficient, you’ll be OK.
@@JerryArizona thank you for the tips!!! So far the weather forecast isn’t looking too bad. I’m fairly new to backpacking, but I’m originally from Wisconsin and have camped in cold spring times up north before without much avail. The desert is definitely a different experience for me! Haha! I’m certainly go to garner as much information, tips/advice from people as I can before making a final decision. They do have dry/wet suits for rent at some of the outfitters in the park which I will CERTAINLY be renting from. Good to know about the depth of the River, will definitely NOT be bringing my mirrorless with for that hike then.. unfortunately. Thank you very much for the info!!
@@Woah_sagez well, you could get a canyon keg or other sort of dry bag for your camera. I didn't bring mine because I was more focused on video. I have dragged a mirrorless through the subway with a canyoneering dry keg (just put a rag in with it to keep it from rattling around), but it was a pain to take out. Keep in mind that the canyon conditions will change, so you could possibly encounter deep spots or obstructions in places I didn't. But it seemed like you wouldn't get into too much deep water until the narrows. As far as a wetsuit or dry suit, I have only used a wet suit. They're heavy if you get a thicker one, so keep that in mind. And they're really hot if you aren't in the water much. So a normal wetsuit could be a pain at times. You can get around this by unzipping the top and only pulling it up to your waist if the water is shallow. A two piece might be more convenient. Not sure on dry suits. I know that they are notorious for pinholes from rental places. People have gotten in trouble with that in places like Heaps. Water seeps in the pinhole and makes the suit pretty useless.
@@JerryArizona yeah I dont know how worth it that would be for the camera. My phone is waterproof and takes pretty decent pictures so I’ll probably just stick with that, haha! Good info on the suits though thank you! Not too familiar with them but knowing they’re heavy is important. I’m just glad I got a campsite along the trail that way I can easily cut the trip into two days!
Great video. I would add that you should *really* think twice about setting out with kids on this trail.
Agreed. Unless your kids are seasoned backpackers, I'd never attempt top down. Maybe bottom up, but you'd have to keep in mind you might have to turn around a lot sooner than you wanted to. I know my kids wouldn't make it far.
@@JerryArizona My kids could hike 15 miles a day on the PCT (from about age 8), reliably. It wasn't uncommon for us to do a 10-20 mile hike every weekend. But, this trail proved to be a nightmare for three of my five. They were fine once we reached the creek (bottom up)... but they HATED the approach and the return with a passion. Never quite figured out why. Ironically, the two that didn't complain will only do a top-down route as adults.
Went with my bf this year 😌😍
It's a great hike.
I know Zion has become insanely popular, but everyone should know to avoid it on Holidays at all costs. That said: If I could get a Top Down Narrows permit anytime, I would take it.
Yeah, that's what happened to us. When the permits went up, I only had a couple seconds to get them. The dates I wanted went too fast, so I ended up with a holiday weekend. Still worth it, as we had the canyon almost to ourselves except the very end.
@@JerryArizona my last Zion visit was on Memorial Weekend and it was a madhouse. It couldn't be avoided as it was family from East Coast and a tight schedule. Never again!
Thank you Tina for all the cussing, I love a good f bomb. 🎉
Just another thing I love about her.
You go to a national park, and then are angry about other people there trying to enjoy It
I am with Tina. Crowds make me homicidal...
As you are walking could you show the trail please so we could see what it's like and if we can navigate it? Just take the camera off yourself (again) so we can judge if this is for us. I know it's tough, really tough not to stick that camera at yourself......Thanks for understanding the viewers point of view.......
(I really don't think you are going to do that.)
I have to ask… did you actually watch the video? If so, I can’t understand how you missed the numerous shots of the trail (when there was one), the shots of our feet on the trail or in the river, and the shots of us swimming or wading in waist deep water because that was the only option. Many of the shots of Jerry talking are him explaining trail conditions, how you get to and from the trail, tips on how to pack for a backpacking trip that requires being in water most of the time, campsites, and how to float a backpack when you have to swim. All of which would be helpful to someone deciding if they could do this hike or not.
Yes, he also records us enjoying ourselves as well as when we’re hating the trail. Many people find this helpful, since we are both 50 and not in peak physical condition.
If you were unable to find any useful trail information in this video, TH-cam has thousands of videos featuring this hike that you can peruse. Feel free to move along.
Never compromise down to your wife she will never stop taking. I would have left her in the car!
She was kidding, and so was I. Tina has my utmost respect (and vice versa), which is how it should be.
FWIW - Saturation is a bit too high in your post editing, mate. I'd be a little pissed to expect what I see in your video as so vivid and colorful to only realize that it isn't quite so. There's definitely those colors, but that constraint was set to 100 out of 100, when maybe 20 out of 100 would be just fine.
nope....looks great!! been there and it looks like this..Actually even better!!
You don't like the people, why don't you stay home!
How to make a canyon seem even smaller. Just add several thousand people. Having done many solo hikes & small groups, it's always a shock to get back to a busy place. It makes you yearn for the solitude all the more. When I'm alone on a hike, I feel embraced by nature, my senses seem more heightened & I'm aware of many small details. It's a powerful primal thing & I'm sure you guys understand it too when you get into these special places with very few or no one around.
Thank you for these videos that help keep me sane in an insane world!
You're welcome. And with some time and space between this trip, we're ready to do it again. It's just that initial shock, like you said. I remember going through Imlay. About as rugged and wild as it gets. Last rappel was into the narrows, but it was late enough it wasn't too crowded. We got back to the Visitor Center and my buddies wanted to go to the Bar to get food. I walked in and it was standing room only. I couldn't take it. It was overwhelming after being out there for the whole day. I had to walk outside and wait for them to get their food.
The first 85% the narrows was so awesome.... then the muddy disneyland..haha, not as much. But still a great adventure! Campsite 12 is now going to be booked;)
Campsite 12 is definitely where it's at. And it's funny. The more days that go by, the less I remember the crowds at the end and the more I think about the first 15 miles of awesomeness.
I will always bring a chair while backpacking! That sigh when you finally sit is always worth it!!
I used to refuse to take one, but Tina kept bringing hers. I admit there was jealousy once we got to camp. Now I take mine on most trips.
I concur 1000%!!
I have brought z seat pad to put on a rock, but it’s just not the same as a good ole camp chair. Totally worth the weight!
@@WifingAround absolutely! I have the pad as well. Doesn’t even compare with a chair, but better than nothing on the really long trips where weight really counts. I’ve only done one trip where I didn’t bring it.
... that back support! It comes with me on every hike.
That was fantastic, thanks so much for showing me a place I will never see in person now. Too old and fat for a hike like that.
The narrows is so busy, there are so many other hikes outside zion that everyone overlooks, I was over zion and now I want to go back, that is how it gets people, you hike once and can't stop going back! In April, my family and I did a backpack trip in the Kolob Canyons part of the park, it was so amazing and now I really just want to see the narrows again! I just love your videos!
I've day hiked this a couple of times. Now prefer Orderville Canyon because you are stumbling over mossy bowling balls you can't see in the Virgin River for many fewer miles.
You 2 are AWESOME! Nice adventure and yes, people suck!
OOH! Perfect! We did the Narrows bottom up but keep thinking how cool it would be to get the permits and go the other way one day. Of course the crowds now look NOTHING like when we went even a few years ago. That is INSANITY that you captured. Yeah... might be permit time for both ways I'm thinking.
People Pollution! I agree, great and beautiful up to that point.
Just an FYI, I do occasional work for the shuttle van company you probably rode on to Chamberlin. On normal busy weekends since summer 2020, a busy day was selling 250-350 tickets into the canyon (which is now suspended thanks to the infinite stupidity of the NPS). Sunday Memorial weekend we sold 850. As I've been telling people for years, rule #1, never go to a place like Zion on a 3 day weekend unless you like crowds. You need to emphasize that you made that mistake in your video. When I conducted a tour from Sinawava to mouth of Orderville on a weekday after Memorial Day, there was probably a third of the people. That portion of the canyon is the most impressive in my opinion, the portion that you referred to as a muddy Disneyland. Bad bad bad. I didn't see any mud. This is the portion that most people can only see and don't have the luxury, strength, or know-how to do the hike you guys did. The Narrows bottom up and Angels Landing doesn't need a permit system, the WHOLE canyon needs a permit system, just like The Wave, but maybe just a few more people. That's my 2 cents.
Yeah. Good points. I can't really change a video once it's posted though. But this isn't a video about how to avoid crowds in Zion. This is a video about our top down trip in the Narrows. The shuttle driver did say it was the longest line for park shuttles he's ever seen (definitely the longest I've ever seen.)
As I'm sure you know, Narrows permits are tough to get and it's a scramble when they are released. So I got what I got and had to make do. We still had an amazing trip in what I consider one of the most beautiful canyons I have ever seen. The montage from Big Spring up to the crowds was meant to showcase that beauty....and that section can be enjoyed from the bottom up.
I get where you are coming from and try to refrain from the negative, but I also want to be honest. And I appreciate that for a lot of people, that's a bucket list destination and bottom up is their only option. I did not intend to dig on the canyon or the hike or the park or people who enjoy it that way. But that's just how I personally felt about the trip.
I ABSOLUTELY agree they need a permit system for the entire canyon. I am a big fan of permit systems. After all, that's probably the only reason the upper 15 miles were so amazing and peaceful.
@@JerryArizona Understood on you being honest with your experience. Hopefully people will remember you said Memorial Weekend and will understand why it was abnormally busy. Two pet peeves: 1) a reservation system is definitely needed in Zion Canyon and 2) TH-cam definitely needs an option to update a video. Been there done that. After posting a video and I notice something was miss-pronounced, miss-spelled, or downright wrong information, I don't want to lose all the quality comments already posted. Instead, I have to delete the video, all the comments and start over. Bad. Oh well, at least we have a TH-cam. If you ever want to revisit the Narrows during a better time, try the first week of December. The video I created while working there shows a tour I lead when the few trees in the canyon were glowing bright yellow: th-cam.com/video/wVNanYCgtaE/w-d-xo.html
About to do this hike with my brother in October. Loved watching the whole thing and you all both have great personalities. I also feel much more at ease after watching and preparing for an overnight trip! Will definitely be wearing the right socks haha. Thanks for such a great video
Thanks! May be a little chilly up top at Chamberlain Ranch when you're starting, so bring layers. I think it was 20~30 cfs during this trip. We recently did it again (you can check my more recent uploads. It's within the last 3~4) around 40~50 cfs. Just know that it gets a LOT slower due to all the rocks and walking in the river once you hit the first campsite. That walk from campsite 1 to 12 seemed to take forever this last trip. The narrows themselves were a lot less crowded though. This video was over a holiday weekend when the park was at peak capacity.
Beautiful!! Well done ! Great edit ! I was thinking no El Patio in Zion . That was funny ! Some day I’m sure we will run into you there ha ha . We camped the west end of Rim Memorial weekend and hardly saw anyone. They must have been all hiking the narrows ha ha ! Road tripped it to Indiana to visit Grandkids. Got a good hike day under 5 miles in New Mexico of 1-40 . Off can be off road as we are over-landing it . Probably be back in AZ next weekend. Thank you Tina also ! Takes two to Tango !
Wow that looks like so much fun, I look forward to visiting that area as well, Love your wifes humor lol, has me and my wife laughing, Love her! And your guys sense of people is spot on! lol You guys looks like you would be awesome friends to have.
I'll bet you experienced significant "shinkage" in that river. I bet Tina was perky too.
I enjoy watching your adventures, it makes my day. That was an awesome shot when you pulled the camera through the driftwood!
I saw it, and I immediately knew I needed that shot.
Great video. I am an older female hiker wanting to know what brand Tina’s shirts and legging were. It looked like they dried really quickly and didn’t show dirt much. Would love some info! Thanks for sharing!
Her shirt is a Columbia PFG shirt. She said she had two different leggings; Arc'teryx and North Face. (Not sure on the exact type though.)
@@JerryArizona Thank you! Enjoying y’all’s videos-very helpful.
Awesome video! I would love to see that place. Amazing footage. Crow
Y’all went to a famous national park and got mad there were other people there? Weird behavior
We were there last week and got up at 4am for parking spot and waited in shuttle line for 90 minutes. They were short of drivers One was just lost from COVID. The crowds took away from the ambiance for sure. Lesson learned is that if you like somewhere, don’t tell anyone about it. Love your video and chairs
Dude! Was JUST talking about doing this exact trip over a upcoming Memorial Day weekend with my brother...during a backpacking trip to the ND Badlands this past Memorial Day weekend. Always enjoy the vids! Thanks for the info....will definitely stay away from campsite #12....lol.
I cannot believe you hike so much there.
Hope house move went well. Hiking is a good way of getting your mind off boxes n stuff
Thanks! Nearly done with the unpacking and definitely getting back to hiking.
OMG! The crowds at the end were insane! I did the bottom up 3 years ago in Nov & it was deserted compared to what you had to deal with. Great video though. The 1st day had to be so peaceful having that beautiful canyon all to yourselves.
There are always ways around the crowds. At least for a while.
Did this hike in 1991, and it is definitely one of the most amazing hikes I’ve ever done. Really enjoyed the video!
Thanks! We absolutely love Zion. Glad you got to experience it.
Oh yeah…..
Great video. Can you let me know what shuttle company you used to get from the visitor center? We are going in September and I'm looking for a shuttle.
Thanks! We used Red Rock Shuttles. I just added a link in the description. Enjoy. It's a great hike.
@@JerryArizona Awesome. Thanks for the quick reply. It looks like they are only leaving from Zion Adventures now. We will be through hiking and I wanted to try to have a car in the park so we don't have to shuttle outside the park when we are done. Having just booked the permits, I'm still trying to figure all that out.
@@dgassert when in doubt, call them. It is a hassle figuring out shuttles and things. When we went, they were still letting private shuttles into the main canyon. I know that’s changed. It’s always changing.
We hiked the lower portion in early May. Still busy, but nothing like that! Great work!
Loved the top down route. We were just back and it wasn't nearly as crowded at the bottom. But this trip was on a holiday weekend, so the crowds would naturally be at their worst.
Cool video! The last part makes me glad I passed on Zion and spent Memorial Day Weekend backpacking in Bryce instead.
I'm surprised Bryce wasn't just as bad. Guess with all these parks, it depends more on where you go than when you go if you want to avoid crowds. I've been able to have a lot of experiences in Zion with almost perfect solitude, including the first 15 miles of this trip.
@@JerryArizona Well, I got my backcountry permits early on Saturday morning and got below the Rim before the crowds really started. It probably was a zoo, but I missed most of it (thankfully). Not many people outside of the shorter, main loop trails, but I got a bit of the crowd on Monday when I went back to do Wall Street and the Navajo Loop. Kinda sounds like your experience... nice and quiet in the backcountry and a quick dose of reality as you got closer to the day hikers.
Love it! Enjoy watching you both. We are thinking of hiking/camping this in the next couple months. Only concern is water height this time of year. Any advice?
Thank you. Next couple of months should be good. You will need to be mostly concerned with storms. Especially monsoons later in the summer/early fall. Make sure you check the weather often and ask about the current conditions at the back country desk when you get your permits. They won't let you go if the flow is too high, but if a storm is coming and the flow is currently low, they may just warn you. In that case, it's always advisible to play it safe.
I can relate with her comment about hating people hahaha, it's a backpacker thing.
Hooked on your videos, need my fix everyday ❤❤❤❤
Thanks for bringing back some awesome childhood memories. 💯🔥😁
Great review.
Thnak you. It's an incredible hike, and definitely a great experience from the top down.
Holly ! crowded like champs elysées ! I was lucky to be there twice with few people in it.First in1997 and second time in 2008 so wonderfull an good shots. Thanks for this 3rd time.
You escape the city to get into the great outdoors only to find everyone else has had the same great idea. Nah, not for me, thanks.
In all fairness to the Narrows, this was an especially busy holiday weekend. Normally I wouldn't go on a holiday, but the permits are hard to get so we went with what we got. It's always such a shock to me when I go from wilderness solitude to crowds, so we weren't in the best head space at the end. I've been back a few times since and it was not nearly as crowded. Not to mention we had many, many miles of the canyon to ourselves even on the holiday trip.
Great video!! 👍
What app where you using when you got to site 12 which showed your route details?
That's Gaia on iPhone. Absolutely love it and have used it for years.