Dear Mr. Peterson. I am a 70 year old , retired married man and have been listening to your podcasts for a while now. It occured to me that I never took the time , but for a quick comment only now and then, to properly thank you for sharing your insight and knowledge of the inner world and it's profound effect on the outer world. You are an absolute treasure and against, thank you for what you do. Also best wishes to the Mrs. , as well, a very astute woman in her own right.
@@marions7423 it's to represent heaven and hell: the red material is made from goat wool and the blue is made from sheep wool... but I don't like it. I mean, not for an event like this. Maybe wear it for a short period, then remove the jacket.
it's like Two-Face's suit from Batman It signifies he's hasn't done enough "Shadow-work", he's hasn't incorporated his dark side into the greater whole.
Probably why he struggles with anti-depressant addiction
@@eee815 trades use to be very working class. I was from poverty and a trade was like being a lawyer from where I was raised.. I went into carpentry... It was good pay but not great. But with the influx of job types and more people working... More and more people wanted work done on their houses... Also high lvls of migration started these governmental plans on hundreds of thousands of these new houses getting built... Work is so high that wages naturally grew. So I hear you, about tradesman being higher than working class... But I do think the type of people that generally do a trade are from less than well off families... Of course that can change through the generations. I'm now a concept artist for Warner brothers....vast change of job and completely away from my background... I can tell this by the sorts of people I now work with. They are wooden and robotic... Sense of humour is so bad that I feel like a right rough lad... Also I know they can sense my edge. I'm just different to them...
@AghoriX it all depends on your definition of working class. I Still drive to a jobsite, I still swing hammers and run drills, I'm still waiting for a paycheck in Friday. Thats working class in my book.
I'm a PhD student, and because of my contract I had to quit my old restaurant job. I honestly miss working with working class people-- I find a lot of American grad students in particular that have never held a working class job before to be so exhausting. They don't know how to interact with people and just constantly put down "poor, uneducated" people who are working class. I seriously miss it, and unfortunately I was getting paid better at a restaurant than I do to teach coursework at a university haha!
This is a very fine example as to why some people are choosing not to go to a university and pay for that horse ass certification. At least for you, there's job placement in the field you chose, even if your career doesn't pay as well as serving beer and chips or wench work. There are many many trades that are falling short of having enough hands for labor, and McDonald's is chock full of PhD toting morons who fell broke out of the starting gate with no positions available in 'high-altitude underwater basket weaving.'😂 be useful wherever you stand, even if you have to break contracts! ...When the lights go out, the working industry will still be here for ya buddy!
@@binloveds Isn't it? I'm so sick of hearing that people who didn't go to college are lesser than us from so called "liberals" when my own parents didn't go to college and worked so hard for everything they have. I'd kill to see every American student to go work a manual labor job for one day!
I've been working either the working class it's not easy I don't like it but I wouldn't want to teach them or university, you probably are! Its actually harder than my degree, someone kill me now! Most people do what they want to do, not what they are designed to do. ✌
You’ve fundamentally changed my life and saved my faith during a time when i nearly lost it, Dr. Peterson. You made me feel sane, seen, safe, stable. My life has a whole new purpose and aim now, thanks to some of your words. Thanks for everything you do. Someday I’ll be one of your peers… Let’s see how long it takes me. 😉 Going back for a masters at 30 isnt gonna be brief…
@@JordanBPeterson thanks for all you do, thanks for telling us TRUTH and teaching us to do the same. It's still fascinating how you're inspiring me to read my Bible... Thanks allot
My nickname at my old job was sunshine because I absolutely despised the job and was going through a really rough time for an extended period of time, so I was always miserable and unhappy but I always tried to keep a dark and twisted sense of humor.
How I kicked my “more than mild” depression according to my doctor who really wanted me to medicate me, I joined a highly skilled trade. It was so nerve racking for the first year because of the funk I was in. I stuck to it and now I’m proud of myself. Jordan Peterson helped a lot to get where I’m at right now. He was there through most of that funk.
Mold maker! Cool! I am learning to do that at home for sculptures and stuff. It is a skill alright. I have depression too, maybe I need a hard job. I just don't know what would interest me enough to pursue. Not many artsy jobs out there that pay ok.
My name became Balthazar when working at McDonalds. Nobody knew why. Great time. Loved it. Dealing with some pressure and responsibility when you’re 16 years old is VERY good for your future work ethic. Best time ever. Being part of a team, man. That’s something.
If this is from the lecture this year in Phoenix, AZ (which I’m pretty sure because I vividly remember this badass 2 toned suit lol) it was one of the most memorable nights of my life. I got to get dressed up with my girlfriend and actually witness one of the most important minds in history in person. I kept equating it to being present for one of Plato or Aristotle’s lecture. I feel so lucky to have been there. Thank you Dr. Peterson for all that you are doing. You really are a net profit for good.
I was university educated, I emigrated to a different country, and started doing a trade. I’ve been doing it now for around 11 years. It is physically demanding, but man it’s rewarding, you look at the completed project and feel you’ve achieved something. You go home most nights and have a good deep sleep because you’ve exerted yourself that day. Sure, not every day is plain sailing, but you meet some great, funny, hard working people from different countries and backgrounds. So don’t feel pressured to go to university a trade is just as good!
I have lived in New York City all my life, and yet, I have been lucky enough to have family all over and have traveled to work in more rural areas. At some point I started asking New Yorkers "Do you think you are smarter than people in the south, or in flyover country?" Invariably, most said yes, usually pointing out the vast number of stimulations in the city: art, culture, commerce, technology, etc. Then I asked "When do you get time to do nothing but think?" The answer is usually "Never." When your job for the day is to repair four fence posts, how much thought is there, really? You know 90% of the job when you arrive, "Dig out old post, put in new post, fix crosspieces to post." The rest of your day, you have your mind free to think about other things while your body does it's required task. When you stop overstimulating yourself with the minutia of a complicated life, you gain opportunities to become wise. Dr. Peterson is right about the intellectual prowess of the working man.
Can confirm this as an electrician. Whenever I’m doing a repetitive task (like devicing) my muscle memory takes over and my mind drifts to thinking. I learned Spanish at work with audiobooks and then native speakers. Besides which, skilled trades are very educated. It took me 5 years of school (3 hours a night, twice a week, after work) plus 8,000 hours on the job to reach journeyman. Another 4 years of work and study, tested out to be a master. I’m still learning to this day, code updates, new tools and materials, new techniques, specialized classes for specific systems.
I was there and got to meet him! Was the best night of 2022 for me, loved it from start to finish. I got to give him a note, thanking him for his help, I'll forever hope he read it.
I guarantee you he read it. Jordan has a great deal of respect for those who take the time to express themselves to him, especially if using a medium that is outdated and considered traditional like you did. God bless
How cool that you got to meet him. Like you, he's helped me so much. Finding Jordan Peterson has probably been one of the most impactful discoveries I've ever had in this life. How did you get to meet by the way, did you get a certain class of tickets to his show, or did you just stick around late or something? My partner and I were at the Sydney show of this tour. It was such a fantastic event, we loved it. I can only imagine how much better it might have been if we were able to meet and chat with him.
I'm taking my electrician's crafts examination in January. Working blue-collar is hard, but rewarding, and I love Jordan's insights on the work environment in such jobs. Electricians are some of the most sane, grounded (no pun intended) people I've met in my life, and they definetly know how to take a joke.
Our family doctor in town is such a person. I think that she does her job exceptionally well and sacrifices a lot of her own life to contribute to everybody's wellbeing in our community. I should thank her more often.
Lennox HD, is she bought into the novid- bs? Pushing those shots for the man? If so, she is a murderer, and deserves the meal that the devil will serve her, as most of these doctors nowadays are just prostitutes belonging to the drug pushers.
The ability to articulate what a “good plumber” is, with that level of insight is remarkable. Integrity, professionalism, honesty and wisdom are some of the values we should cherish the most in society. Unfortunately it’s short term thinking and tribalism that dominate the value hierarchy
Short term thinking is a psychopathic characteristic. It only dominates the hierarchy if we allow it to. Tribalism is inherently human and the social network world we live in today will only exacerbate that. It gives us the opportunity to live only inside our own echo chambers every single waking moment. It's a very good think to bring those to consciousness though.
@@segueoyuri That is great in concept but actually getting that to become the accepted norm is an entirely different thing. Sometimes people only want to think about the present and not stress too much about the future. I'm on board but the rest of these jokers around here I can't vouch for. 😉
@@seanriopel3132 ok. Let me give you the example I had in mind while reading what you wrote about short-term. Maybe you'll get my point better. Here where I live is common practice for mechanics to take advantage from car owners. They take a look at the person and see if said person understands something about mechanics. If one doesn't they create defects on their own, they fail to fix what they know is the problem (taking you 3 trips there to get if fixed, perhaps), they extort you and lie to you as much as they can. So, is it advantageous for those dishonest mechanics? I'd say yes. Are they the most successful ones? Would you stick with one of those or find a good, trustworthy mechanic when you find a problem? Would you be more likely to go back to a dishonest mechanic or to a honest one? Is it more profitable to have a clientele or extort random drivers?
@@segueoyuri Your example illustrate dishonesty and lack of intergrity, but that doesn't make all short-term thinking psychotic. Short-term thinking is often predicated on a lot of factors, such as survival, values, self-acualization etc.
Your entire analysis is so spot on.🎯 As a film technician, interaction at the Interpersonal level among my colleagues is tantamount to the realization of solving the technical challenges that exist when trying to envision the intention of the creators of the story. Successful collaboration depends on sincere intentions, to draw from the strength of the group. These skills are necessary in the execution of a predictable outcome in special effects, a very safety-sensitive aspect of film making. Thank you immensely for your very inspiring thoughts, and for providing us a glimpse into the wonders of our humanity and the relentless soul that will continue to traverse through space/time. Blessings.
@@ellewilliford6416 i bought them all for myself. Jordan Peterson said you've got to treat yourself as an individual amongst individuals and so I did. So far so good. Also, good luck with your family
I just started off all wrong and out of place. At 57, for the first time in my life, I'm in a community in which I fit fairly well, with effort and humility. I will forever dream of what could have been had I developed properly - socially that is.
I started working at the age of 13 with a pressure washing company- washing garbage trucks. The first day I learned to keep your mouth closed when spraying the trucks with the pressure washer. I worked with grown Haitian men who worked my a$$ off. I learned to work hard. When I graduated high school, I worked as a welder helper and some other jobs. Then I went to college at 20 and after school got my first "salary" job. I was heckled by the floor guys and called "easy money" and "college boy." I took it all and dished some back. I earned respect because they learned I could work. I enjoy working with my hands and creating things. Our society has made manual work into something that kids should not aspire to. I turned my skills into $300+ k per year. Now I own a business valued at over 5 million and growing- doing manual work. I am a blue collar guy by nature. I use my skills nearly every day. I own a bourbon distillery.
Joined the carpenters union about half a year ago. My first job's been working on a rail company. Our crew builds concrete plinths on bridges that rails get installed on. "Harsh play" is such an elegant way of putting it. This job is messy, hectic, and physically/mentally taxing. But at the same time, the way we're all in it together, working towards that same goal. And it's lots of fun. Overcoming challenges, coordinating, planning, and most importantly, building. That physical monument of your combined work is truly something inspiring. And the sense of comradery it brings is truly unamtched by anything else I've experienced. It truly is a brotherhood. It really took me joining the union to realize why it's called that. Also, if you're interested in how things are built like me, heres how we build our plinths. Sections of rail first need to be bolted together into 2 500-foot sections. Iron horses are then mounted every 10 feet. These are metal contraptions that clamp onto the rails. They are then able to suspend the rails in the air by using two 3-foot bolts as legs, which can individually be raised or lowered to set the desired height and grade. The iron horses are then attached to rolling gantries fitted with jacks so that the gantries, in turn, can raise the iron horses with the rails attatched to them both into the air, which is important later. These suspended rails are then set to the exact position and grade with survey equipment that the finished rails need to be installed on. Hardware needed for the installation of the finished rails are bolted onto the bottom of the suspended rails so that when the concrete plinths get poured, the hardware gets embedded in the concrete exactly where it needs to be. Next rebar gets tied, then concrete forms (my job) are built around the rebar, as well as installed with champher set to grade. Concrete is then poured and finished. Lastly, the suspended rails are raised above the finished plinths, and the whole crew position themselves, 1 per gantry, to push the entire system up the bridge to the next section to be built. The gantries themselves roll on temporary tracks that are installed temporarily. Forms are striped, cleaned, oiled, and laid out for the next section so the process can repeat again. We're at the end of the job, and I'm blessed to be working on our final task, a crossover. We're working completely off blueprints at this point since the sharp curves of the crossover and the fact crossovers use custom peices of rail that intersect, not just two long tracks, makes it impossible to use the "system". This means the hardware has to get manually drilled and installed into the plinths after they're poured and hardened. It's pretty fascinating, but this is just the simple stuff! I can't wait to start building decks for skyscrapers and big ol' bridges. Thats when it really gets interesting.
Gosh thank you so much for this. My students rarely seem to resonate with what I’m saying when I tell them how much I actually learned from being in construction.
Such a psychologically up-lifting gem of a video because of the way Jordan has shone a light on how talented, competent people can be found within all sections of a working society. I saw a group of working men digging up a section of road to update the gas piping and it involved immense organizational skills that not everyone has, including those with an academic qualification.
As a person who started working as a freelancer in his studio literally the day after my bachelor's degree, I must agree. I love my job and I'm proud to have made it work all by myself, but never having had a simple job (like cleaning dishes, being a waiter or a clerk in a store), I haven't learned lots of the life skills you learn in those environments. Many people say that working those simple job when you're young will help you immensely, even if you want to become a freelance and, once again, I have to say I agree. To say it more phylosophically, utilitarian jobs build "character".
knowledge is the only tool that you don't have to hold in your hands or carry in a tool box. no matter how much knowledge you amass it'll never weigh you down.
Hi Jordan, always appreciative of your work and you’ve taught me an immeasurable amount of things over the years which have really shaped who I am today. I saw your lecture in Melbourne, you mentioned it was the largest crowd you’ve ever performed to. When I took a look around and saw the entire rod laver arena completely packed out I was absolutely blown away. The diversity in the demographic of attendees was also something else to say the least… Anyhow if there’s a chance you plan on uploading that lecture, please do because it was incredibly profound and a great moment which I got to share with my mum and step dad. Your lectures and thoughts have never ceased to amaze me. Thanks again and all the best. Never stop doing what you do, we need thinkers like you to guide us through this tumultuous time. Regards
I think all of the lectures from his tour are posted up on the dailywire+. I also went to the lecture in melbourne and it was an absolutely amazing experience to share with my dad who is a working class man. Have a good one mate
@@lachlanaulich3566 Oh really! Thats so cool man. Boy what an experience that was... Seeing the entire Rod Laver just packed to the brim, it was something else. Glad you could share the moment with ur old man :) I'm not particularly keen on subbing to the daily wire, but I'll do it just to check if the lectures up there haha
I am so glad I went to a trade school and started learning these skills at 15. I'm actually living a comfortable life now unlike almost all of my pre trade school friends.
I'm a 50 year old southerner with a bachelor's degree. If I had it to do over again, I would have gone to HVAC school. I'd be worth more money with a better career by now. As it stands, I am worth no money, and I have never had any career to speak of, just jobs.
I recently took a new job in the kitchen as a dishwasher at a resort. The guys and girls in the kitchen have developed these relationships. I'm a more serious person so it took me a while to "find my place." It has been so rewarding to put myself in a new environment with new people. I'm thankful that I took on something new, and grateful for my coworkers and the level of care we show each other, even through pranks and jokes. Thank you, Dr Peterson, for all of the invaluable information about life!
I had the same job at a ski resort years ago. The called me the 'Happy Dishwasher" cuz i was SOOOO thrilled to be out of crappy suburbia and in a neat new place. Kitchens are both fun and stressful places. Sometimes guys from the bar down the street would bring us pitchers of mixed liquor and we'd get drunk for the big clean up. There can be some good fun to be had.
Just awesomeness! headphones cranked ! To learn is not enough to Master teaching, but teachers can't teach without learners. You Sir are the master of learners also. Always so much fun!
As a plumbing apprentice myself I can tell you this is the best way a boss can conduct himself. Also being lucky enough to have a great boss that conducts himself in a similar way promotes me to start my own company and strive to have the same demeanour. It is a sobering thought that a good person has taught me to be a good person. Fancy that.
Life in the British Army is like this. A lot of banter and dark humour is required to get you through the tough times. You make your best friends there who have your back whatever happens.
Dr. P. It is so damn refreshing to hear your background, the wisdom you developed, and now as a clinical psychologist. Individuals trained in mental health should come from more working class backgrounds. I have found in my own prof experience in the world of psychotherapy. loss the ego that we have all the answers. Come down from the ivory tower and see reality. I spent time working as a security guard with the local county cops. The best experience I have ever had sir in seeing how law enforcement truly works hard. Not academic bullshit. Thank you.
People always determine how much you can tolerate a shitty job. I worked at Costco (I hate retail) for 3 years but the people made it worthwhile. Paramedic now and shitty co-workers can make your day much more challenging.
The "pebble" / Ballast throwing sounds harmless till you get hit in the face with one, I got escorted off a rail site because I threw a large rock back . . .
Odd to hear some positivity, much appreciated! Quit my job and started volunteering for the elderly that need help, vehicles and home improvements. The most difficult part is finding a crew that's willing to earn "merely" the satisfaction that gratitude affords. It's much more than money and it won't be long before we're all going to be on one side of that scenario. I know JP wouldn't disagree, skills are absolutely everything, being a decent person should be effortless. Why do you think I quit the "job" front? Bullies? Mean people everywhere? Incompetence across the board? An entire generation unwilling to work in a country that manufacturers nothing. Better keep a close eye on the things that matter to you. I needn't worry about my tools, right? It's not like they'd know what to do with them or have the fortitude to use them. Love the praise, JP, but absolutely nothing is even remotely close to sustainable in the workforce or economy or anywhere. If you really WANT to make an impact, this presentation needs to magnified exponentially. Please and thank you! From all of us.
Really hard to find people who doesn't need to eat so they can spend their time volunteering instead of working. I only meet a couple of people like this throughout my life.
@@DsiakMondala I think everyone has some time to volunteer somewhere. Maybe a few hours twice a month is all you can spare. Maybe just a few times a year for holidays is all you can do, but do something. Even shovel an elderly person's walk once a Winter is better than nothing. Stop with excuses that you work. Most people do, but they pack Christmas shoeboxes, pour juice & coffee after a church service, take grocery orders over the phone for volunteer to shop, send cards to servicemen, etc. Carve out a spot for yourself to give a helping hand. Some day someone may be helping YOU.
Jordan your Plumbing analogy is BRILLIANT! Why do Our Governments & Chancellor's of the Exchequer's along with the Finance Departments get it so wrong when they should say NO! There is NO MONEY!
Corruption is rampant everywhere, from government to the workforce. In the past 5 years I've notice an increase in work avoidance and cheating in many LoBs. The one thing that remains consistent, is that while people bending over for a temporary benefit of getting away with not working while being paid. The hardworking ones do not get disposed off when the little card castle collapses and layoffs happen, because you become indispensable and bring in the numbers.
I am a heavy diesel mechanic by trade and from a small farm. I went to University at night and studied law for 4 years. While I learnt alot in College, my trade has made me very sharp, aware of my surroundings and astute. From experience mechanics seem to be the best to speak and give the best answers.
What are u talking about? mine comes out in the weight room all the time, .... I'll be talking shit to my spotters and even the dudes around me in the middle of my sets to strangers haha, what u talking about? hidden alter egos? haha.
Little did Lunch Bucket know that someday Howdy would be on stage telling the world that he didn't fit in at work because he didn't subjugate himself properly to the multidimensional discipline of the crew.
So true, every job I've had included a "trial by fire" period if you will, testing your sociability and willingness to work as a teammate instead of as an individual, even if completely unconscious among the rest of the crew. Love your work Jordan keep it up!
It’s these discussions that first made me love JP. I just have so much more respect for the world around me as I’ve adopted his framing of certain things.
Being a middle-class, educated plumber in London I've found taking a ribbing to be completely essential. But don't laugh too much. It's a balancing act. If you laugh too loud for too long your co-workers sense you're consciously playing a game and it makes them realise you think you're able to win a game simply through intelligence rather than charisma. You have to hide your social intelligence because to them you can't be both educated and streetwise. I can also tell you that as somebody who recently started their own plumbing company it is indeed incredibly complicated simply carrying out a job from the diagnosis stage to receiving your money.
I disagree in the sense that you imply here that laughing too hard or too long means that people will dislike you because you are trying to win a game through intelligence and working class people don’t like that. This is an error. Working class people want to work with intelligent people and are generally intelligent themselves. What laughing too loud or too hard signifies to those that are socially intelligent (which most working class people are) is that a person is a boot-licker or brown-noser (trying to avoid the most obvious work place term for this as it will get this comment removed). No one likes a brown-nosers or boot-licker because they are yes-men/women and are spineless and will never stand their ground with you when your boss is asking for dumb unrealistic $hit or when someone with authority is saying something $tupid. I agree with the rest of what you said though. 👍🏼
I somehow stumbled into a post and that post sent me on Google on a quest of enlightenment and then names started to appear ,then videos I picked one randomly and then ... Pam ! I don't know myself anymore ,I never knew a thing , thank you sir ! I just discovered the book of 12 rules for life , the joy of learning and discovering new ideas and concepts is priceless . thank you once more.
As a tradesmen, I work myself to the bone every day for a wage that I can just get by on. Not many respect what I do, unless they need help right now. It's no wonder there is a shortage of tradesmen. Working at getting a new job. Where I can sit on zoom all day and take 6 breaks a day in a 7 hr day, get paid better than I do now. Like most of my customers
Thanks for providing this inspirational video. I just wanted to take a moment to recognize the nobility and value of working class jobs. From farmers to plumbers, truck drivers to janitors, these hard-working individuals are the backbone of our society. They deserve our respect and admiration for their dedication, skill, and contribution to our daily lives. Let's continue to show our appreciation for the invaluable work they do. Thank you!
Appreciate you Jordan...I live with SEVERE chronic pain & love is the only medicine that truly works....thank you. Luv&Peace to you & your family. Glad you and your amazing Daughter are feeling better.🙂✌🏼
the lessons from these stories have really helped me understand myself much more, especially with regards to navigating fitting in with a group of colleagues, something I'm working on this year hopefully. I remember quitting my childhood football/soccer team probably out of pure narcissism when despite scoring almost all our goals that season no one in the team nominated me for the token awards they give out. I marked it down as them being a bunch of back scratchers who didn't value me properly, but now I can appreciate they were maybe right to not nominate me. Unlike 'lunchbox' I could definitely take hazing from the guys that were pretty rough but I think I probably saw them as beneath me in a way and never 'played' along with returning the jibes, so they just saw me as aloof and not a real part of their team.
My husband is a combat veteran. He used his GI Bill to become a licensed electrician and certified welder. We're encouraging our sons to seek out vocational skill training, rather than a wasteful four years of university. Our youngest wants to be a pilot, and we're going to keep encouraging that dream through a military entrance. Unless your goal is to be in a field that absolutely requires college, i.e. physician, attorney, teacher, it's best to skip that indoctrination whenever possible.
I worked at UPS back in 2022 during the lockdowns, I was having a rough time with some parking debt and having just coming back from attempting to travel the world. I didn’t want the job as I had 2 years of uni, it was manual labour for 6 hours (3am - 8am then after Christmas 9pm - 3am) but I needed the money. I decided that while I was there I would work as hard as I possible could, harder than I ever did. As my trucks parcels came along a conveyor, I walked to the end of it and prepared them by piling them near the edge, that way I could see how much time I had to help others. As the boxes piled up, I helped everyone, back and forth between loading my own truck. And continued this as we moved onto HGV’s. If my trailer was slow, I walked to another trailer, if my sector was slow, I walked to another. I smiled, I joked, I sang when it was sweaty, dark and tiring, if I was injured I still came in and volunteered to sit and scan parcels, and all-in-all, I can safely say it wasn’t that bad, even though I was glad to leave in August. Id gained a lot of respect, and I learned just how hard I could work, what I could tolerate and what I was made of. The only way you’ll know; is if you do the same, test your limits and try to make your job a better place.
it's like Two-Face's suit from Batman It signifies he's hasn't done enough "Shadow-work", he's hasn't incorporated his dark side into the greater whole.
Probably why he struggles with anti-depressant addiction
@@lostboys-niagarapartyband1915 and I'll say it again it's like Two-Face's suit from Batman It signifies he's hasn't done enough "Shadow-work", he's hasn't incorporated his dark side into the greater whole.
Probably why he struggles with anti-depressant addiction
@@ashelyrudd2194 hey, who’s netenyahu’s boss? Lol does that ladder keep going? Is peterson showing his allegiances here in a coy way? Could he be in that red lodge blue lodge club?
damn! this necktie goes so well to both of the suits halves... sorry, needed to be pointed out! It's like two sides that don't seem to match particually well, somehow have a common ground
As someone who has to clean railway switches as it's blowing at -30°F, I totally relate. Blowing each other over with a backpack blower is a great pastime.
I am an introvert, have no social skills and have severe social anxiety. I use avoidance as a coping mechanism. This has completely ruined all aspects of my life.
I feel you man. How old are you and if you calculate in your coping mechanism and social anxiety, what would you have done differently in the last 5 years or so if you could relive it - for example to gradually change or work better with it? Would love to hear your answer on this question. :)
When I was 14, I moved to a country town from a relatively big city. At the new, all-boys middle school, culture and values were very different and I was the 'lunch box' dude. They threw chalk at me instead of rocks. lol. I've never been bullied before, so it was agonizing at the time, but as time passes, I realize I had a lot of ego but no qualities they respected, and I never respected them either. So I get where it comes from. As an adult, I became a chalk/stone thrower at many groups. I guess it's a defense machanism and I'm not proud of it. I still haven't let it go I guess.
What's a behaviour you can take on, to replace the chalk/stone throwing? (Hint: What have you not gotten in life, which could have made/make it better? ... Maybe you can bring that to others, in service, and also to yourself, in healing old wounds.)
@@William.Driscoll You're acting as though the chalk throwing was bad. It's certainly not nice, but it serves an important function, a bunch of people not being around someone who does not fit in. Is it gatekeeping? Sure, but it's also honest. Who wants to spend 40+ hours a week with someone they do not like or respect, especially when the feeling is mutual? Hazing will always be a thing because humans have to test each other for compatibility, and it won't always be a pleasant occasion.
When I was 15 I used to work in a shop on Saturdays and in my school vacation, starting early to process the freight of that day. And just work in the store for the rest of the day, mostly customer service. I got to go interact with all kinds of people and it taught me how to deal with different types of people. My boss was an old man, we’d drink coffee, smoke a cigarette and get to it. We always had a good time, joking around but working hard. Now I’m 38, I have a more cerebral job but I think back to those times with some nostalgia.
My first job was working in a dry cleaning business. I just took the clothes from the customers and wrote up the tickets… then there were 3 people in the back, who took the cloths out of the bags to start the cleaning process. After a month or two I started noticing the people in the back would hold some of the clothes in front of themselves, inspect them and then throw them in a bag… their bag!😂😂 you learn all kinds of things from every job, you learn what you DON’T want to do. Each job teaches you something… and there is no better training then starting at the bottom. I bet most entrepreneurs have had a lot of jobs before attempting a business of their own! Going to Harvard or Yale and then ‘placed’ in a BOD job, without a lot of business experience (starting at the bottom) is a recipe for disaster…for you AND the business. There is no substitute for many ‘lower’ valued jobs. That’s how you learn how the REAL world works!
Thank you for this. I choose a working class job over a degree career because I make more but also no one treats me like they are better than me. I learn so much about patience and tolerance but also to accept myself and relax about my perfectionism. The jokes are fun and eventually you become part of a family.
My nickname at my current job is "Ball Goggles." We can't all be winners. I remember at one of my previous jobs, there was a guy that everyone called "Guapo" (spanish for good-looking) because he was unusually ugly. He looked like a fish and made a lot of grunting noises all the time, but he handled it well, did his job, and earned most people's respect.
Its really nice to see a influential voice give blue collar workers the credit and admiration they deserve for keeping society running, coming from a grain elevator worker, thank you.
The inverse seems to bring healthier outcomes from my observation. Turning "life skills" into job skills is the optimal scenario if it's handled with sovereignty and diligence
Absolutely correct, having been blue collar all my working life I can relate to the dark humour which existed decades ago when I started working as a trade apprentice in a large engineering company you were ribbed constantly and were the but of many jokes, ie go to the stores for a left hand screwdriver or go for a long stand etc but if you took It ok or well you were accepted as part of the group it helped develop you for the grinding reality of hard labour, I don't believe that what was tolerated decades ago would be acceptable now which is why many struggle with interactions at work
While at uni, I was working at KFC. I was called Doctor, because I looked like one and had the detailed autistic attention of one. Everyone was also assigned the name of 'Lana Maroo' or 'Doo LaLee' I believe it might be a naughty term in Urdu or something, but this really increased morale. Had a great time working there though the work was tough. Initiation had me constantly cleaning everything. But I did a great job. When I was struggling to find work a few years later, they took me back in a heartbeat because they knew I was a good worker.
I try to explain to non tradespeople this good natured ribbing that took place back in the day. They don't get it, they think its mean and adds no value. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Firstly no one was immune. Secondly, it usually only lasted for a very short time. When I was a kid, the older guys told me this was going happen and how to react to it. As a result it was no big deal but it solidified the team I worked with. As a result we had each others back through thick and thin. Its one of the many tools that helps build a strong team. Not sure if it happens today, but it should.
close to the end of this video, Jordan talks about his good plumber example i thought of something similar, which in my words would've been "be predictable" in it's simplest form, but i wasn't sure how to expand on much more than that i'm now able to expand on this idea better than i could, and another simple way would be "teach people how they could do it themselves" but **maybe** not for real, or you could lose a client but but maybe that is precisely why you'd be seen as a good person, it's not only a demonstration of understanding how to solve the problem, but also a sign of selflessness, or.. naiveness, sadly but if it works well, it should work really really well, if you're making yourself vulnerable for someone's sake, and they're nice to you.. that's probably one of the best signs you can have about who/what is that person sadly no sign is a guarantee, but observation is still undeniably useful
Thank you for this video Jordan. I work sometimes 3 jobs. I farm, work a full time job, and then simetimes help my cousin with projects (which could literally be anything). Yeah, i see what your saying about being a team player, and trying to be a good person, a "just" person. I know work is important. I'd like to talk to you, you've really helped me out, thank you for what you do.
I noticed those patterns in my life with the difference between the workforce and the management types. People at the basic work level tend to want to teach you everything they can in order to get you to a point where they don't have to babysit you as you work. That way when something difficult comes along that requires multiple people to work in coordination everyone is on the same page without even having to think out it. Positive comradery seems to naturally develop in this type of work every time. While with management, they tend to want to give you the least amount of training while simultaneously micromanaging everyone over things that are or should be automatic to any given worker. These people seem to more often than not be the least receptive to jokes or anyone getting along that they see as below them even when it is highly counter-productive to the work being done.
I think a lot of people in that peanut pounding job would be depressed, resentful, and borderline suicidal, so to find value, meaning and appreciation for that line of work is really telling.
I used to work in a wood mill. There’s no camaraderie when you can’t even communicate from wearing earplugs, earmuffs, and still going deaf from all the noise in the factory. There’s no camaraderie when you have to spend 200% of your energy straining to push plywood into place while it’s covered in glue while simultaneously patching any holes, all within 2 seconds before the next bit of ply comes out. There’s no camaraderie when you’re treated like a robot, repeating the same strenuous actions every 2 seconds for 10 hours a day, forced to flip between day shift and night shift each and every week destroys your circadian rhythm into non-existence. They increase the speed of the machine to pump out as much profit as they can, at the expense of your mental and physical health, all for the bare minimum wage. No wonder I started reading Marx there. You can’t even socialise outside of work because your body falls asleep as a futile attempt to recoup lost energy. It’s just chronic stress and allostatic load 100% of the time. I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy. I spent a year repeating the same action every 2 seconds, but I aged 10. My mind is not cut out for that shit, I’m an artist, at least I was, that mind numbing shit dissolved my imagination into a black hole. I’m not the same as I was. I’m fucked.
@P¡nned By Jordan B Peterson• Piss off. This guy just reminded us of one of the dark sides of the working class, and all you can do is attempt to scam him.
Dear Mr. Peterson. I am a 70 year old , retired married man and have been listening to your podcasts for a while now. It occured to me that I never took the time , but for a quick comment only now and then, to properly thank you for sharing your insight and knowledge of the inner world and it's profound effect on the outer world. You are an absolute treasure and against, thank you for what you do. Also best wishes to the Mrs. , as well, a very astute woman in her own right.
❤️
He can take your joke 🤣😂🤣😂
@@marions7423 it's to represent heaven and hell: the red material is made from goat wool and the blue is made from sheep wool... but I don't like it. I mean, not for an event like this. Maybe wear it for a short period, then remove the jacket.
Your message is lovely and I agree with 🙏🤗
Doctor Peterson that is..lol..you most definitely earned it
I think we’d all love a tour of your suit collection
it's like Two-Face's suit from Batman
It signifies he's hasn't done enough "Shadow-work", he's hasn't incorporated his dark side into the greater whole.
Probably why he struggles with anti-depressant addiction
he did 1
@@ashelyrudd2194 interesting, maybe! Or Jordan just called and asked for the curtain colors to match.
@@aWomanFreed of course a sycophant wouldn't think that's what it signifies, in fact a sycophant doesn't do much thinking at all, do they?
Or maybe he’s in that red/blue club? Could it be a little ‘insider’ joke?
As a plumber of 11 years, I pride myself in knowing the job and doing it well. It's one of the only things that keep me sane in this crazy world.
Do you think starting the trade at 36 is too old?
Is being a plumber really a working class job ? In Denmark it isnt, they get paid a lot more than the people who work at the supermarket.
@@eee815 trades use to be very working class. I was from poverty and a trade was like being a lawyer from where I was raised.. I went into carpentry... It was good pay but not great.
But with the influx of job types and more people working... More and more people wanted work done on their houses... Also high lvls of migration started these governmental plans on hundreds of thousands of these new houses getting built... Work is so high that wages naturally grew. So I hear you, about tradesman being higher than working class... But I do think the type of people that generally do a trade are from less than well off families... Of course that can change through the generations.
I'm now a concept artist for Warner brothers....vast change of job and completely away from my background... I can tell this by the sorts of people I now work with. They are wooden and robotic... Sense of humour is so bad that I feel like a right rough lad... Also I know they can sense my edge. I'm just different to them...
@@ellehooq mabey. It's all about your physical and mental capacity.
@AghoriX it all depends on your definition of working class. I Still drive to a jobsite, I still swing hammers and run drills, I'm still waiting for a paycheck in Friday. Thats working class in my book.
I’m working class.
Yep.
Honesty integrity, good work ethic, and the ability to thrive in workplace humor are integral to making it in this world.
I'm a PhD student, and because of my contract I had to quit my old restaurant job. I honestly miss working with working class people-- I find a lot of American grad students in particular that have never held a working class job before to be so exhausting. They don't know how to interact with people and just constantly put down "poor, uneducated" people who are working class. I seriously miss it, and unfortunately I was getting paid better at a restaurant than I do to teach coursework at a university haha!
This is a very fine example as to why some people are choosing not to go to a university and pay for that horse ass certification. At least for you, there's job placement in the field you chose, even if your career doesn't pay as well as serving beer and chips or wench work. There are many many trades that are falling short of having enough hands for labor, and McDonald's is chock full of PhD toting morons who fell broke out of the starting gate with no positions available in 'high-altitude underwater basket weaving.'😂 be useful wherever you stand, even if you have to break contracts! ...When the lights go out, the working industry will still be here for ya buddy!
totally
From a working class individual, thank you for that confirmation because I suspected so. Actually, it’s pretty damn obvious sometimes lol
@@binloveds Isn't it? I'm so sick of hearing that people who didn't go to college are lesser than us from so called "liberals" when my own parents didn't go to college and worked so hard for everything they have. I'd kill to see every American student to go work a manual labor job for one day!
I've been working either the working class it's not easy I don't like it but I wouldn't want to teach them or university, you probably are! Its actually harder than my degree, someone kill me now! Most people do what they want to do, not what they are designed to do. ✌
You’ve fundamentally changed my life and saved my faith during a time when i nearly lost it, Dr. Peterson. You made me feel sane, seen, safe, stable. My life has a whole new purpose and aim now, thanks to some of your words. Thanks for everything you do. Someday I’ll be one of your peers… Let’s see how long it takes me. 😉 Going back for a masters at 30 isnt gonna be brief…
:)
@@JordanBPeterson Lol that's adorable. Keep doing what you're doing. God bless.
@@JordanBPeterson thanks for all you do, thanks for telling us TRUTH and teaching us to do the same. It's still fascinating how you're inspiring me to read my Bible... Thanks allot
My nickname at my old job was sunshine because I absolutely despised the job and was going through a really rough time for an extended period of time, so I was always miserable and unhappy but I always tried to keep a dark and twisted sense of humor.
I'm sorry I laughed, but that's really funny.
Wednesday male? 😁👌
What a neat story
I was called "prince of darkness" for the same reason
We called a guy "Ray" for the exact same reason, because he was a little ray of sunshine
How I kicked my “more than mild” depression according to my doctor who really wanted me to medicate me, I joined a highly skilled trade. It was so nerve racking for the first year because of the funk I was in. I stuck to it and now I’m proud of myself. Jordan Peterson helped a lot to get where I’m at right now. He was there through most of that funk.
what trade is that?
@@everythingaboutsoda Moldmaker for injection molding.
So glad you're feeling better, Mark. God bless you, brother.
Mold maker! Cool! I am learning to do that at home for sculptures and stuff. It is a skill alright. I have depression too, maybe I need a hard job. I just don't know what would interest me enough to pursue. Not many artsy jobs out there that pay ok.
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My name became Balthazar when working at McDonalds. Nobody knew why. Great time. Loved it. Dealing with some pressure and responsibility when you’re 16 years old is VERY good for your future work ethic. Best time ever. Being part of a team, man. That’s something.
Even better, work at a job where you fix things;) and definitely not at a corporate enterprise.
my friends call me and each other names too, it's fun
@@JeepCherokeeful I fixed some serious cheeseburgers, my friend. ;)
@@memesalldayjack3267Yes! It is.
I hope you got out of there alive.
If this is from the lecture this year in Phoenix, AZ (which I’m pretty sure because I vividly remember this badass 2 toned suit lol) it was one of the most memorable nights of my life. I got to get dressed up with my girlfriend and actually witness one of the most important minds in history in person. I kept equating it to being present for one of Plato or Aristotle’s lecture. I feel so lucky to have been there. Thank you Dr. Peterson for all that you are doing. You really are a net profit for good.
Just saw at the bottom it wasn’t Phoenix. Still a badass suit and still an impactful experience!
I was there (at the Phoenix lecture) as well... Money well spent that evening! I'll never forget it! 👍
Damn I’m green with jealousy for real 😭
Perth, Western Australia. It says it in the notes about the video.
Plato or Aristotle 😂
I was university educated, I emigrated to a different country, and started doing a trade. I’ve been doing it now for around 11 years. It is physically demanding, but man it’s rewarding, you look at the completed project and feel you’ve achieved something. You go home most nights and have a good deep sleep because you’ve exerted yourself that day. Sure, not every day is plain sailing, but you meet some great, funny, hard working people from different countries and backgrounds. So don’t feel pressured to go to university a trade is just as good!
I have lived in New York City all my life, and yet, I have been lucky enough to have family all over and have traveled to work in more rural areas. At some point I started asking New Yorkers "Do you think you are smarter than people in the south, or in flyover country?" Invariably, most said yes, usually pointing out the vast number of stimulations in the city: art, culture, commerce, technology, etc. Then I asked "When do you get time to do nothing but think?" The answer is usually "Never."
When your job for the day is to repair four fence posts, how much thought is there, really? You know 90% of the job when you arrive, "Dig out old post, put in new post, fix crosspieces to post." The rest of your day, you have your mind free to think about other things while your body does it's required task. When you stop overstimulating yourself with the minutia of a complicated life, you gain opportunities to become wise. Dr. Peterson is right about the intellectual prowess of the working man.
"An intellectual is a man who uses more words than necessary to tell more than he knows." - Dwight D. Eisenhower
So true
You’d have to try both
Can confirm this as an electrician. Whenever I’m doing a repetitive task (like devicing) my muscle memory takes over and my mind drifts to thinking. I learned Spanish at work with audiobooks and then native speakers.
Besides which, skilled trades are very educated. It took me 5 years of school (3 hours a night, twice a week, after work) plus 8,000 hours on the job to reach journeyman. Another 4 years of work and study, tested out to be a master. I’m still learning to this day, code updates, new tools and materials, new techniques, specialized classes for specific systems.
@@TheSpicyLegAnd college typically only requires rote memory, not a high IQ or competence.
I was there and got to meet him!
Was the best night of 2022 for me, loved it from start to finish.
I got to give him a note, thanking him for his help, I'll forever hope he read it.
Im sure he will. It may not be today or next month even, but eventually he will.
Sooo that’s why he’s been crying a lot as of late. Thanks Nathan .
I guarantee you he read it. Jordan has a great deal of respect for those who take the time to express themselves to him, especially if using a medium that is outdated and considered traditional like you did. God bless
I was here for this one too and also met him, shout out Perth
How cool that you got to meet him. Like you, he's helped me so much. Finding Jordan Peterson has probably been one of the most impactful discoveries I've ever had in this life. How did you get to meet by the way, did you get a certain class of tickets to his show, or did you just stick around late or something? My partner and I were at the Sydney show of this tour. It was such a fantastic event, we loved it. I can only imagine how much better it might have been if we were able to meet and chat with him.
I'm taking my electrician's crafts examination in January. Working blue-collar is hard, but rewarding, and I love Jordan's insights on the work environment in such jobs. Electricians are some of the most sane, grounded (no pun intended) people I've met in my life, and they definetly know how to take a joke.
I'm a second year, we're definitely grounded and can take a joke, but we're also impossible to impress and have a lil ego at times haha
Our family doctor in town is such a person. I think that she does her job exceptionally well and sacrifices a lot of her own life to contribute to everybody's wellbeing in our community. I should thank her more often.
Lennox HD, is she bought into the novid- bs? Pushing those shots for the man? If so, she is a murderer, and deserves the meal that the devil will serve her, as most of these doctors nowadays are just prostitutes belonging to the drug pushers.
The ability to articulate what a “good plumber” is, with that level of insight is remarkable.
Integrity, professionalism, honesty and wisdom are some of the values we should cherish the most in society. Unfortunately it’s short term thinking and tribalism that dominate the value hierarchy
Especially when the almighty dollar is put head and shoulders above everything else.
Short term thinking is a psychopathic characteristic. It only dominates the hierarchy if we allow it to.
Tribalism is inherently human and the social network world we live in today will only exacerbate that. It gives us the opportunity to live only inside our own echo chambers every single waking moment.
It's a very good think to bring those to consciousness though.
@@segueoyuri That is great in concept but actually getting that to become the accepted norm is an entirely different thing. Sometimes people only want to think about the present and not stress too much about the future. I'm on board but the rest of these jokers around here I can't vouch for. 😉
@@seanriopel3132 ok. Let me give you the example I had in mind while reading what you wrote about short-term. Maybe you'll get my point better.
Here where I live is common practice for mechanics to take advantage from car owners. They take a look at the person and see if said person understands something about mechanics. If one doesn't they create defects on their own, they fail to fix what they know is the problem (taking you 3 trips there to get if fixed, perhaps), they extort you and lie to you as much as they can.
So, is it advantageous for those dishonest mechanics? I'd say yes. Are they the most successful ones? Would you stick with one of those or find a good, trustworthy mechanic when you find a problem? Would you be more likely to go back to a dishonest mechanic or to a honest one? Is it more profitable to have a clientele or extort random drivers?
@@segueoyuri Your example illustrate dishonesty and lack of intergrity, but that doesn't make all short-term thinking psychotic. Short-term thinking is often predicated on a lot of factors, such as survival, values, self-acualization etc.
I worked at McD's for about 2 years. Two bachelors and half a master later, it's still my favorite job overall. That's because of my teams!
Excellent points! Having transitioned from a working class job to an office job I couldn’t agree more.
Your entire analysis is so spot on.🎯
As a film technician, interaction at the Interpersonal level among my colleagues is tantamount to the realization of solving the technical challenges that exist when trying to envision the intention of the creators of the story.
Successful collaboration depends on sincere intentions, to draw from the strength of the group.
These skills are necessary in the execution of a predictable outcome in special effects, a very safety-sensitive aspect of film making.
Thank you immensely for your very inspiring thoughts, and for providing us a glimpse into the wonders of our humanity and the relentless soul that will continue to traverse through space/time.
Blessings.
I got all his audiobooks and his Personality course for Christmas and I'm soo excited to get into it!
omg! how lucky that you know someone badass enough to gift that to you! my ~liberal~ family would never 🫢
I have downloaded Podcast just because of Jordan Peterson !
@@ellewilliford6416 i bought them all for myself. Jordan Peterson said you've got to treat yourself as an individual amongst individuals and so I did. So far so good. Also, good luck with your family
Would love your feedback on it! Im waiting to do this too.
@@cozy1717 ah yeah, but i’m too poor atm 😆 in a few weeks probably.
I just started off all wrong and out of place. At 57, for the first time in my life, I'm in a community in which I fit fairly well, with effort and humility. I will forever dream of what could have been had I developed properly - socially that is.
You've given me hope.
No need to dream. You're already living it.
I started working at the age of 13 with a pressure washing company- washing garbage trucks. The first day I learned to keep your mouth closed when spraying the trucks with the pressure washer. I worked with grown Haitian men who worked my a$$ off. I learned to work hard. When I graduated high school, I worked as a welder helper and some other jobs. Then I went to college at 20 and after school got my first "salary" job. I was heckled by the floor guys and called "easy money" and "college boy." I took it all and dished some back. I earned respect because they learned I could work. I enjoy working with my hands and creating things. Our society has made manual work into something that kids should not aspire to. I turned my skills into $300+ k per year. Now I own a business valued at over 5 million and growing- doing manual work. I am a blue collar guy by nature. I use my skills nearly every day. I own a bourbon distillery.
Send samples!
Joined the carpenters union about half a year ago. My first job's been working on a rail company. Our crew builds concrete plinths on bridges that rails get installed on. "Harsh play" is such an elegant way of putting it. This job is messy, hectic, and physically/mentally taxing. But at the same time, the way we're all in it together, working towards that same goal. And it's lots of fun. Overcoming challenges, coordinating, planning, and most importantly, building. That physical monument of your combined work is truly something inspiring. And the sense of comradery it brings is truly unamtched by anything else I've experienced. It truly is a brotherhood. It really took me joining the union to realize why it's called that.
Also, if you're interested in how things are built like me, heres how we build our plinths. Sections of rail first need to be bolted together into 2 500-foot sections. Iron horses are then mounted every 10 feet. These are metal contraptions that clamp onto the rails. They are then able to suspend the rails in the air by using two 3-foot bolts as legs, which can individually be raised or lowered to set the desired height and grade. The iron horses are then attached to rolling gantries fitted with jacks so that the gantries, in turn, can raise the iron horses with the rails attatched to them both into the air, which is important later. These suspended rails are then set to the exact position and grade with survey equipment that the finished rails need to be installed on. Hardware needed for the installation of the finished rails are bolted onto the bottom of the suspended rails so that when the concrete plinths get poured, the hardware gets embedded in the concrete exactly where it needs to be. Next rebar gets tied, then concrete forms (my job) are built around the rebar, as well as installed with champher set to grade. Concrete is then poured and finished. Lastly, the suspended rails are raised above the finished plinths, and the whole crew position themselves, 1 per gantry, to push the entire system up the bridge to the next section to be built. The gantries themselves roll on temporary tracks that are installed temporarily. Forms are striped, cleaned, oiled, and laid out for the next section so the process can repeat again. We're at the end of the job, and I'm blessed to be working on our final task, a crossover. We're working completely off blueprints at this point since the sharp curves of the crossover and the fact crossovers use custom peices of rail that intersect, not just two long tracks, makes it impossible to use the "system". This means the hardware has to get manually drilled and installed into the plinths after they're poured and hardened. It's pretty fascinating, but this is just the simple stuff! I can't wait to start building decks for skyscrapers and big ol' bridges. Thats when it really gets interesting.
Jordan is a gift to the world. Thanks for recognizing and sharing the things you do.
Gosh thank you so much for this. My students rarely seem to resonate with what I’m saying when I tell them how much I actually learned from being in construction.
Such a psychologically up-lifting gem of a video because of the way Jordan has shone a light on how talented, competent people can be found within all sections of a working society. I saw a group of working men digging up a section of road to update the gas piping and it involved immense organizational skills that not everyone has, including those with an academic qualification.
These men and yes it’s mostly men uphold our infrastructure!
Not much more valuable than that.
Always love your clarity and authenticity. And the genuine respect and acknowledgment you give to people. Thank you.
As a person who started working as a freelancer in his studio literally the day after my bachelor's degree, I must agree.
I love my job and I'm proud to have made it work all by myself, but never having had a simple job (like cleaning dishes, being a waiter or a clerk in a store), I haven't learned lots of the life skills you learn in those environments.
Many people say that working those simple job when you're young will help you immensely, even if you want to become a freelance and, once again, I have to say I agree.
To say it more phylosophically, utilitarian jobs build "character".
knowledge is the only tool that you don't have to hold in your hands or carry in a tool box. no matter how much knowledge you amass it'll never weigh you down.
A resource that grows when you use it. Yes it’s unique in that way
Hi Jordan, always appreciative of your work and you’ve taught me an immeasurable amount of things over the years which have really shaped who I am today.
I saw your lecture in Melbourne, you mentioned it was the largest crowd you’ve ever performed to. When I took a look around and saw the entire rod laver arena completely packed out I was absolutely blown away. The diversity in the demographic of attendees was also something else to say the least…
Anyhow if there’s a chance you plan on uploading that lecture, please do because it was incredibly profound and a great moment which I got to share with my mum and step dad.
Your lectures and thoughts have never ceased to amaze me.
Thanks again and all the best. Never stop doing what you do, we need thinkers like you to guide us through this tumultuous time. Regards
I think all of the lectures from his tour are posted up on the dailywire+. I also went to the lecture in melbourne and it was an absolutely amazing experience to share with my dad who is a working class man. Have a good one mate
@@lachlanaulich3566 Oh really! Thats so cool man. Boy what an experience that was... Seeing the entire Rod Laver just packed to the brim, it was something else. Glad you could share the moment with ur old man :)
I'm not particularly keen on subbing to the daily wire, but I'll do it just to check if the lectures up there haha
@@lachlanaulich3566 annnd it’s on there. Thanks for the tip mate, so happy I can re-watch this
This is a great lesson to think about, but I can't stop admiring that suit. Dr. Peterson rocking it like an indecisive Batman villain.
I am so glad I went to a trade school and started learning these skills at 15. I'm actually living a comfortable life now unlike almost all of my pre trade school friends.
I'm a 50 year old southerner with a bachelor's degree. If I had it to do over again, I would have gone to HVAC school. I'd be worth more money with a better career by now. As it stands, I am worth no money, and I have never had any career to speak of, just jobs.
Yer name ? haha.
I recently took a new job in the kitchen as a dishwasher at a resort. The guys and girls in the kitchen have developed these relationships. I'm a more serious person so it took me a while to "find my place." It has been so rewarding to put myself in a new environment with new people. I'm thankful that I took on something new, and grateful for my coworkers and the level of care we show each other, even through pranks and jokes.
Thank you, Dr Peterson, for all of the invaluable information about life!
I had the same job at a ski resort years ago. The called me the 'Happy Dishwasher" cuz i was SOOOO thrilled to be out of crappy suburbia and in a neat new place. Kitchens are both fun and stressful places. Sometimes guys from the bar down the street would bring us pitchers of mixed liquor and we'd get drunk for the big clean up. There can be some good fun to be had.
Just awesomeness! headphones cranked ! To learn is not enough to Master teaching, but teachers can't teach without learners. You Sir are the master of learners also. Always so much fun!
As a plumbing apprentice myself I can tell you this is the best way a boss can conduct himself. Also being lucky enough to have a great boss that conducts himself in a similar way promotes me to start my own company and strive to have the same demeanour. It is a sobering thought that a good person has taught me to be a good person. Fancy that.
“Peanut pounder” is the most Canadian job title I have ever heard.
This was in Perth Australia, I was blessed to be there. Thanks you Dr Peterson.
Life in the British Army is like this. A lot of banter and dark humour is required to get you through the tough times. You make your best friends there who have your back whatever happens.
Good men is what world needs rightnow because everybody's acting tough and strange. - Sir forsce .
@@aWomanFreed shh, your penis envy is showing
@@aWomanFreed it’s very surprising that one would not think JBP is a good man. Your definition of a good man must be very odd
Preferably one that doesn’t throw stones at peoples head perhaps 🤷♂️
@@aWomanFreed Thanks for the in depth explanation with that pointlessly negative comment.
@@aWomanFreed , you are dead on, as the man is a semi-well spoken snake, or a wolf in sheep's clothing, as both apply.
Very excited to listen! Thanks Dr.Peterson
I was “Stretch” at one of my first jobs
Dr. P. It is so damn refreshing to hear your background, the wisdom you developed, and now as a clinical psychologist. Individuals trained in mental health should come from more working class backgrounds. I have found in my own prof experience in the world of psychotherapy. loss the ego that we have all the answers. Come down from the ivory tower and see reality. I spent time working as a security guard with the local county cops. The best experience I have ever had sir in seeing how law enforcement truly works hard. Not academic bullshit. Thank you.
People always determine how much you can tolerate a shitty job. I worked at Costco (I hate retail) for 3 years but the people made it worthwhile. Paramedic now and shitty co-workers can make your day much more challenging.
The "pebble" / Ballast throwing sounds harmless till you get hit in the face with one,
I got escorted off a rail site because I threw a large rock back . . .
Odd to hear some positivity, much appreciated! Quit my job and started volunteering for the elderly that need help, vehicles and home improvements. The most difficult part is finding a crew that's willing to earn "merely" the satisfaction that gratitude affords. It's much more than money and it won't be long before we're all going to be on one side of that scenario. I know JP wouldn't disagree, skills are absolutely everything, being a decent person should be effortless. Why do you think I quit the "job" front? Bullies? Mean people everywhere? Incompetence across the board? An entire generation unwilling to work in a country that manufacturers nothing. Better keep a close eye on the things that matter to you. I needn't worry about my tools, right? It's not like they'd know what to do with them or have the fortitude to use them. Love the praise, JP, but absolutely nothing is even remotely close to sustainable in the workforce or economy or anywhere. If you really WANT to make an impact, this presentation needs to magnified exponentially. Please and thank you! From all of us.
Really hard to find people who doesn't need to eat so they can spend their time volunteering instead of working. I only meet a couple of people like this throughout my life.
@@DsiakMondala I think everyone has some time to volunteer somewhere. Maybe a few hours twice a month is all you can spare. Maybe just a few times a year for holidays is all you can do, but do something. Even shovel an elderly person's walk once a Winter is better than nothing. Stop with excuses that you work. Most people do, but they pack Christmas shoeboxes, pour juice & coffee after a church service, take grocery orders over the phone for volunteer to shop, send cards to servicemen, etc. Carve out a spot for yourself to give a helping hand. Some day someone may be helping YOU.
Jordan your Plumbing analogy is BRILLIANT!
Why do Our Governments & Chancellor's of the Exchequer's along with the Finance Departments get it so wrong when they should say NO! There is NO MONEY!
I wish I would have known this earlier than my 20s; it was really difficult learning this skill blindly.
Corruption is rampant everywhere, from government to the workforce.
In the past 5 years I've notice an increase in work avoidance and cheating in many LoBs.
The one thing that remains consistent, is that while people bending over for a temporary benefit of getting away with not working while being paid. The hardworking ones do not get disposed off when the little card castle collapses and layoffs happen, because you become indispensable and bring in the numbers.
I am a heavy diesel mechanic by trade and from a small farm. I went to University at night and studied law for 4 years. While I learnt alot in College, my trade has made me very sharp, aware of my surroundings and astute.
From experience mechanics seem to be the best to speak and give the best answers.
I'm here for the joker suit Dr. Peterson. We always wear our alter ego even though it's only visible to self. Well demonstrated.
What are u talking about? mine comes out in the weight room all the time, .... I'll be talking shit to my spotters and even the dudes around me in the middle of my sets to strangers haha, what u talking about? hidden alter egos? haha.
I like what u called it haha funny....
"They're the people that build everything and keep everything going"...🌟
Little did Lunch Bucket know that someday Howdy would be on stage telling the world that he didn't fit in at work because he didn't subjugate himself properly to the multidimensional discipline of the crew.
Lunch bucket…
😅
Sounds like something David Foster Wallace would write.
Yeah poor guy trying to make a living while asses throwing rocks at him to try to hit his helmet.
So true, every job I've had included a "trial by fire" period if you will, testing your sociability and willingness to work as a teammate instead of as an individual, even if completely unconscious among the rest of the crew. Love your work Jordan keep it up!
Amen jordan, & thank you so dearly & kindly for being so god damn you. Lots of love mate
It’s these discussions that first made me love JP. I just have so much more respect for the world around me as I’ve adopted his framing of certain things.
Being a middle-class, educated plumber in London I've found taking a ribbing to be completely essential. But don't laugh too much. It's a balancing act. If you laugh too loud for too long your co-workers sense you're consciously playing a game and it makes them realise you think you're able to win a game simply through intelligence rather than charisma.
You have to hide your social intelligence because to them you can't be both educated and streetwise.
I can also tell you that as somebody who recently started their own plumbing company it is indeed incredibly complicated simply carrying out a job from the diagnosis stage to receiving your money.
I disagree in the sense that you imply here that laughing too hard or too long means that people will dislike you because you are trying to win a game through intelligence and working class people don’t like that. This is an error. Working class people want to work with intelligent people and are generally intelligent themselves. What laughing too loud or too hard signifies to those that are socially intelligent (which most working class people are) is that a person is a boot-licker or brown-noser (trying to avoid the most obvious work place term for this as it will get this comment removed). No one likes a brown-nosers or boot-licker because they are yes-men/women and are spineless and will never stand their ground with you when your boss is asking for dumb unrealistic $hit or when someone with authority is saying something $tupid.
I agree with the rest of what you said though. 👍🏼
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I somehow stumbled into a post and that post sent me on Google on a quest of enlightenment and then names started to appear ,then videos I picked one randomly and then ... Pam !
I don't know myself anymore ,I never knew a thing , thank you sir ! I just discovered the book of 12 rules for life ,
the joy of learning and discovering new ideas and concepts is priceless .
thank you once more.
As a tradesmen, I work myself to the bone every day for a wage that I can just get by on. Not many respect what I do, unless they need help right now. It's no wonder there is a shortage of tradesmen. Working at getting a new job. Where I can sit on zoom all day and take 6 breaks a day in a 7 hr day, get paid better than I do now. Like most of my customers
Thanks for providing this inspirational video. I just wanted to take a moment to recognize the nobility and value of working class jobs. From farmers to plumbers, truck drivers to janitors, these hard-working individuals are the backbone of our society. They deserve our respect and admiration for their dedication, skill, and contribution to our daily lives. Let's continue to show our appreciation for the invaluable work they do. Thank you!
Appreciate you Jordan...I live with SEVERE chronic pain & love is the only medicine that truly works....thank you. Luv&Peace to you & your family. Glad you and your amazing Daughter are feeling better.🙂✌🏼
An absolute gem, we are all lucky to be alive at the same time as this man.
Watched him in London. Was one of the greatest privileges of my life.
the lessons from these stories have really helped me understand myself much more, especially with regards to navigating fitting in with a group of colleagues, something I'm working on this year hopefully. I remember quitting my childhood football/soccer team probably out of pure narcissism when despite scoring almost all our goals that season no one in the team nominated me for the token awards they give out. I marked it down as them being a bunch of back scratchers who didn't value me properly, but now I can appreciate they were maybe right to not nominate me. Unlike 'lunchbox' I could definitely take hazing from the guys that were pretty rough but I think I probably saw them as beneath me in a way and never 'played' along with returning the jibes, so they just saw me as aloof and not a real part of their team.
My husband is a combat veteran. He used his GI Bill to become a licensed electrician and certified welder. We're encouraging our sons to seek out vocational skill training, rather than a wasteful four years of university. Our youngest wants to be a pilot, and we're going to keep encouraging that dream through a military entrance. Unless your goal is to be in a field that absolutely requires college, i.e. physician, attorney, teacher, it's best to skip that indoctrination whenever possible.
I worked at UPS back in 2022 during the lockdowns, I was having a rough time with some parking debt and having just coming back from attempting to travel the world. I didn’t want the job as I had 2 years of uni, it was manual labour for 6 hours (3am - 8am then after Christmas 9pm - 3am) but I needed the money.
I decided that while I was there I would work as hard as I possible could, harder than I ever did. As my trucks parcels came along a conveyor, I walked to the end of it and prepared them by piling them near the edge, that way I could see how much time I had to help others. As the boxes piled up, I helped everyone, back and forth between loading my own truck. And continued this as we moved onto HGV’s. If my trailer was slow, I walked to another trailer, if my sector was slow, I walked to another. I smiled, I joked, I sang when it was sweaty, dark and tiring, if I was injured I still came in and volunteered to sit and scan parcels, and all-in-all, I can safely say it wasn’t that bad, even though I was glad to leave in August. Id gained a lot of respect, and I learned just how hard I could work, what I could tolerate and what I was made of.
The only way you’ll know; is if you do the same, test your limits and try to make your job a better place.
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tєхt σr whαtsαpp thє cσntαct ínfσ вєlσw:::
Extremely trend setting suit, sir! You’re on the cutting edge of thought AND fashion!
it's like Two-Face's suit from Batman
It signifies he's hasn't done enough "Shadow-work", he's hasn't incorporated his dark side into the greater whole.
Probably why he struggles with anti-depressant addiction
@@ashelyrudd2194 you said that already
@@lostboys-niagarapartyband1915 and I'll say it again
it's like Two-Face's suit from Batman
It signifies he's hasn't done enough "Shadow-work", he's hasn't incorporated his dark side into the greater whole.
Probably why he struggles with anti-depressant addiction
@@lostboys-niagarapartyband1915 also it could be why he's so easily manipulated and controlled by his boss, ben shapiro and his boss's boss, Netenyaho
@@ashelyrudd2194 hey, who’s netenyahu’s boss? Lol does that ladder keep going? Is peterson showing his allegiances here in a coy way? Could he be in that red lodge blue lodge club?
damn! this necktie goes so well to both of the suits halves... sorry, needed to be pointed out! It's like two sides that don't seem to match particually well, somehow have a common ground
A skilled story-teller
There's two sides to the story and to the question but J only gives one and tries to hide the other
@@ashelyrudd2194 What's he hiding, smartie?
@@ashelyrudd2194 I'd also like to know
As someone who has to clean railway switches as it's blowing at -30°F, I totally relate. Blowing each other over with a backpack blower is a great pastime.
I am an introvert, have no social skills and have severe social anxiety. I use avoidance as a coping mechanism. This has completely ruined all aspects of my life.
I feel you man. How old are you and if you calculate in your coping mechanism and social anxiety, what would you have done differently in the last 5 years or so if you could relive it - for example to gradually change or work better with it? Would love to hear your answer on this question. :)
Read the Bible and Talmud and you can escape this my friend
@@eliasbrillantes 🙄 wow great advice
@@Wingedmagician just gave him what I did I don’t see your take bud. God led me out tried and true.
dang i bet
I am a jack of all trades...I can do just about anything...but with a smile
I enjoy doing it , that's the key to happiness
When I was 14, I moved to a country town from a relatively big city. At the new, all-boys middle school, culture and values were very different and I was the 'lunch box' dude. They threw chalk at me instead of rocks. lol. I've never been bullied before, so it was agonizing at the time, but as time passes, I realize I had a lot of ego but no qualities they respected, and I never respected them either. So I get where it comes from. As an adult, I became a chalk/stone thrower at many groups. I guess it's a defense machanism and I'm not proud of it. I still haven't let it go I guess.
What's a behaviour you can take on, to replace the chalk/stone throwing?
(Hint: What have you not gotten in life, which could have made/make it better? ... Maybe you can bring that to others, in service, and also to yourself, in healing old wounds.)
@@William.Driscoll I need to think about that. Thank you so much.
@@William.Driscoll You're acting as though the chalk throwing was bad. It's certainly not nice, but it serves an important function, a bunch of people not being around someone who does not fit in. Is it gatekeeping? Sure, but it's also honest. Who wants to spend 40+ hours a week with someone they do not like or respect, especially when the feeling is mutual? Hazing will always be a thing because humans have to test each other for compatibility, and it won't always be a pleasant occasion.
@@secretsix43 who profits?
When I was 15 I used to work in a shop on Saturdays and in my school vacation, starting early to process the freight of that day. And just work in the store for the rest of the day, mostly customer service. I got to go interact with all kinds of people and it taught me how to deal with different types of people. My boss was an old man, we’d drink coffee, smoke a cigarette and get to it. We always had a good time, joking around but working hard. Now I’m 38, I have a more cerebral job but I think back to those times with some nostalgia.
@JordanBPetersonn that yo mommas number
My first job was working in a dry cleaning business. I just took the clothes from the customers and wrote up the tickets… then there were 3 people in the back, who took the cloths out of the bags to start the cleaning process. After a month or two I started noticing the people in the back would hold some of the clothes in front of themselves, inspect them and then throw them in a bag… their bag!😂😂 you learn all kinds of things from every job, you learn what you DON’T want to do. Each job teaches you something… and there is no better training then starting at the bottom. I bet most entrepreneurs have had a lot of jobs before attempting a business of their own! Going to Harvard or Yale and then ‘placed’ in a BOD job, without a lot of business experience (starting at the bottom) is a recipe for disaster…for you AND the business. There is no substitute for many ‘lower’ valued jobs.
That’s how you learn how the REAL world works!
Thank you for this. I choose a working class job over a degree career because I make more but also no one treats me like they are better than me. I learn so much about patience and tolerance but also to accept myself and relax about my perfectionism.
The jokes are fun and eventually you become part of a family.
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tєхt σr whαtsαpp thє cσntαct ínfσ вєlσw::::
My nickname at my current job is "Ball Goggles." We can't all be winners.
I remember at one of my previous jobs, there was a guy that everyone called "Guapo" (spanish for good-looking) because he was unusually ugly. He looked like a fish and made a lot of grunting noises all the time, but he handled it well, did his job, and earned most people's respect.
What the heck dose Ball Goggles mean?? ha ha!
Its really nice to see a influential voice give blue collar workers the credit and admiration they deserve for keeping society running, coming from a grain elevator worker, thank you.
The inverse seems to bring healthier outcomes from my observation. Turning "life skills" into job skills is the optimal scenario if it's handled with sovereignty and diligence
‘Being a good person who happens to be a plumber’ is an excellent phrase and summing up the thoughts and idea expressed here
Lol. JP’s suit makes him look like Harvey Dent
It’s fitting for him being such a two-faced hack.
Dr. Peterson is very good at telling a story, to assist his point of view on the subject he is presenting.
Absolutely correct, having been blue collar all my working life I can relate to the dark humour which existed decades ago when I started working as a trade apprentice in a large engineering company you were ribbed constantly and were the but of many jokes, ie go to the stores for a left hand screwdriver or go for a long stand etc but if you took It ok or well you were accepted as part of the group it helped develop you for the grinding reality of hard labour, I don't believe that what was tolerated decades ago would be acceptable now which is why many struggle with interactions at work
Thank you, Dr. Peterson.
Was there that night, I remember everyone on my row of seats absolutely losing themselves in laughter when he told that Lunch Bucket story..
I've heard and read that story at least ten times though, lol, I love him but isn't he repeating himself a bit sometimes?
@@solaveritas2 been watching for a few years and that's the first i hear it.
@@SNIperofDARKness02 That's good! I might have listened to too much at this point, lol.
He has walked in shoes many in his field never have. He understands what it is to be “your brothers keeper”.
While at uni, I was working at KFC. I was called Doctor, because I looked like one and had the detailed autistic attention of one. Everyone was also assigned the name of 'Lana Maroo' or 'Doo LaLee' I believe it might be a naughty term in Urdu or something, but this really increased morale. Had a great time working there though the work was tough. Initiation had me constantly cleaning everything. But I did a great job. When I was struggling to find work a few years later, they took me back in a heartbeat because they knew I was a good worker.
Doctor! Those thumbnails lookin 🔥 god bless!
I try to explain to non tradespeople this good natured ribbing that took place back in the day. They don't get it, they think its mean and adds no value. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Firstly no one was immune. Secondly, it usually only lasted for a very short time. When I was a kid, the older guys told me this was going happen and how to react to it. As a result it was no big deal but it solidified the team I worked with. As a result we had each others back through thick and thin. Its one of the many tools that helps build a strong team. Not sure if it happens today, but it should.
Yeah, it signals possessing a psychological resilience that puts loyalty of the group before one's snow-flake tendencies.
Thank you Jordan. Hopefully you will return to Houston sometime in the near future. Love you ✝️❤️
close to the end of this video, Jordan talks about his good plumber example
i thought of something similar, which in my words would've been "be predictable" in it's simplest form,
but
i wasn't sure how to expand on much more than that
i'm now able to expand on this idea better than i could,
and another simple way would be "teach people how they could do it themselves"
but
**maybe** not for real, or you could lose a client
but but
maybe that is precisely why you'd be seen as a good person,
it's not only a demonstration of understanding how to solve the problem,
but also
a sign of selflessness, or.. naiveness, sadly
but if it works well, it should work really really well,
if you're making yourself vulnerable for someone's sake, and they're nice to you..
that's probably one of the best signs you can have about who/what is that person
sadly no sign is a guarantee, but observation is still undeniably useful
Thank you for this video Jordan. I work sometimes 3 jobs. I farm, work a full time job, and then simetimes help my cousin with projects (which could literally be anything). Yeah, i see what your saying about being a team player, and trying to be a good person, a "just" person. I know work is important. I'd like to talk to you, you've really helped me out, thank you for what you do.
What an amazing treasure this man is.
* Does anyone think he looks better in earth-toned suits?
The lack of an opportunity is never a reflection upon those without one. It is however a reflection upon those making decisions for others...
I went through a lot of comments here and not a single one about that suit!!!! I meannnn….come on!
His jacket….Heaven and hell
I noticed those patterns in my life with the difference between the workforce and the management types.
People at the basic work level tend to want to teach you everything they can in order to get you to a point where they don't have to babysit you as you work. That way when something difficult comes along that requires multiple people to work in coordination everyone is on the same page without even having to think out it. Positive comradery seems to naturally develop in this type of work every time.
While with management, they tend to want to give you the least amount of training while simultaneously micromanaging everyone over things that are or should be automatic to any given worker. These people seem to more often than not be the least receptive to jokes or anyone getting along that they see as below them even when it is highly counter-productive to the work being done.
Perfectly described!
Just finished reading Rule 11 last night! Made me appreciate the sophistication in these kind of social interactions that much more!
I think a lot of people in that peanut pounding job would be depressed, resentful, and borderline suicidal, so to find value, meaning and appreciation for that line of work is really telling.
Depressed? Nah, they get paid great! Especially these days. Railways are the way to go.
I used to work in a wood mill. There’s no camaraderie when you can’t even communicate from wearing earplugs, earmuffs, and still going deaf from all the noise in the factory. There’s no camaraderie when you have to spend 200% of your energy straining to push plywood into place while it’s covered in glue while simultaneously patching any holes, all within 2 seconds before the next bit of ply comes out. There’s no camaraderie when you’re treated like a robot, repeating the same strenuous actions every 2 seconds for 10 hours a day, forced to flip between day shift and night shift each and every week destroys your circadian rhythm into non-existence. They increase the speed of the machine to pump out as much profit as they can, at the expense of your mental and physical health, all for the bare minimum wage. No wonder I started reading Marx there. You can’t even socialise outside of work because your body falls asleep as a futile attempt to recoup lost energy. It’s just chronic stress and allostatic load 100% of the time. I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy. I spent a year repeating the same action every 2 seconds, but I aged 10. My mind is not cut out for that shit, I’m an artist, at least I was, that mind numbing shit dissolved my imagination into a black hole. I’m not the same as I was. I’m fucked.
@P¡nned By Jordan B Peterson• Piss off.
This guy just reminded us of one of the dark sides of the working class, and all you can do is attempt to scam him.
Yo Dr. Peterson, I gotta say that fit you got on is sick. Got some icy hot action goin on
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@@chaosdweller 🤔🤔
Love the jacket!