Every gang member is different. I'm an O.G. from Longo. The gang life got old for me. At some point a real Man grows and provides for his family. That is my gang. My Family.
That doesn't make you a "real" man. Your honor plays a part, and what you agreed to. If you put your work in hey have your family just like I did. But being a family man doesn't make you a real man. It's more than that
@@samuelalvarez875 Tit for tat for nothing? I have a feeling the only Black you even sort of like, is cheek buster 916 himself. What the thread initially said was relatively on point, so keep it pushing.
Not gonna lie Big Herc watching your videos made me realize I'm not like that at all lmao I thought I was tough because of the environment & people I was around. Caught an adult case as a juvenile, did my 4 years got out was still in the bs but wasn't really aware of the long term consequences til your channel. I'm not built for long stretches' lmao F that. All the "big homies" made it seem like it wasn't that big of a deal smh. Got myself a job, became a square & now I'm raising my kid with my beautiful wife. Thanks Big Herc honestly.
Swayy your man. What I tell myself is being a parent and a husband to my wife is hard in many ways. Takes a lot of focus. No doubt your doing the right thing.
It’s so weird to me how these guys talk about discipline and structure, but can’t follow laws on the street. All that discipline could really pay off if they used it in the right way.
Not when your in a category of balck, hispanic, latino, asian it's the governments fault and agenda to keep everyone divided... so the neo nazis in congress can rule the idiots
That's the dumbest shit I've read all day.. I don't have the time or energy to explain this but, that's utterly stupid... Almost as stupid as being 70 years old still thinking like a 19 yr old.. It's no measure of health to be well adjusted to a sick society, I say that as a response to what you say and speaking to the foolishness the Mexican brother just explained
Because nobody Respects all of the Silly overreaching laws made by Freedom stealing politicians and Big Government overreach. Or the 🤡s that enforce them
I saw the writing on the wall when i was young. I saw older big homies living in the streets, homeless. I saw some that ended up flipping their lid because of too much hard drugs. I'm glad i turned down their offer to get jumped in. I probably would've ended up sleeping on someone's couch like a bum. It's not worth it.
When Spain first conquered the land that is now Mexico,30 million people lived there. Spain liquidated the population down to one million. Their culture was affected accordingly.
The thing with Mexicans is it's a profit system as well... with them it's a part of their culture now u got old Mexican gang members thats been from the hood for over 50 yrs their sons and daughters are from the hood and so is their grandkids...
Always thoughtful and diplomatic. Everything is political. Wrong words can result in wars. Black and Brown gangsters talking in front of the masses need to be careful to ensure respect is always at the forefront.
Every one thinks there tough till you come to Christ and have to fight an unseen enemy. Having real strength is picking up your cross daily and following Christ learning the 10 commandments and following them on a daily basis and not giving up during the trials. If you want to save the youth lead them to Christ. Remember the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom 🙏
Herc you gotta get Marvelous back on the show for another sit down. You guys should about the Aztec and who we are as people and what they call "conspiracy"
I agree US as black we definitely need more structure and that respect Herc was talking about we need that back ASAP. I wish we was more like the Hispanic/Latina community they love for one another be REAL. We will get there in due time. Great Interview and Prospect!
Remember Eugene On The sopranos inherited some money and asked Tony if he could move to Florida, and Tony was like “ this is for life”. Poor Eugene hung himself so his wife could move on!
@@blackslav1497 Yeah, but good writers and directors draw from real life situations. I'm sure there have been people that offed themselves in real life when they saw no other way out.
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As a black man myself we couldn't come together to build or structure a kid's playhouse without cat fighting. I've been on this earth 41 years and I've never seen a bunch of brothers come together to structure, fix or build anything.
Structure is only in regards to gang culture. You're talking about gang culture Structure. If your community is entrenched in gang culture then that's what could drive the community. Really the gang culture is keeping a community down. I'm not a gang member so I can't speak on that. I can say it my community in KC gangs are played out. That won't get your people anywhere. There are millions of black and brown men doing good and not involved in that BS I
No disrespect to anybody but Kansas city gang culture was never on the level of La there's different levels of committment that we're talking about. more comittment = more longevity for the gang within the community
This is why they have a ridiculous "drop out" rate. Probably also why money sign suede got hit. Elevation is not allowed and it only takes one hater in a position of power to have u hit....I'll pass 😂😂
Exactly start turning on each other and for what? So they can get along with AB shit head racists that don’t even like their people? Hey that’s when all the indigenous talk goes out the window, and the Whitening of the raza comes in. The disrespect these people have for the people that struggled with racist America, and paved their civil liberties is unfathomable.
Seems like it boils down to cultural differences on the American individualism vs Latino conformity and discipline. Many Asian cultures also prize the whole over the individual.
From 50 to 85 percent of gang members come either from a single- parent home, or one in which no parent resides. If the parent is not available to provide structure, supervision, support, and caring during this crucial time of adolescent development, teens may turn to gang participation to fulfill their needs.
This is a sad situation for Hispanics in America and why we are always treated like crap by society. Other races like Asians, Indians, etc are moving up in the world and investing in education and property ownership while Hispanics are stuck in this ignorant mindset and ruining things for the rest of Hispanic society. This is why we will never move out of poverty and crime.
Hispanic ain't a race 😂😂😂 Mestizo is the race Native American mixed with Spanish... We are treated like crap by society because Caucasians have no love for us and it's their system that has been implemented
Probably because Hispanic isn’t a race buddy you have black, white and asian, Native American, mestizo which is who I think you’re referring to. Hispanic is not a race nor an ethnicity it’s garbage Spaniards are Hispanic and they have many neo nazis and white supremacists in their country because Spaniards are white.
Ehh not true. You contradicted yourself……you can’t look at “black” people as just “out there” or unorganized when the truth of the matter is that black people aren’t a monolith. They aren’t “one”. In other words “they” aren’t a “they”….lumping them as if they’re together or that they should be together based on skin color is the problem. “They” aren’t together because “they’re” literally not together. It would make more sense to look at the identity of the structure based on something more real like specific gangs, religion, region (neighborhood/city) etc…the problem with these discussions is that “black” people are being judged by skin color and hair texture while other people are being judged by nation, culture language etc. Now…..how are “blacks” structure under a organization like Islam?
@@beach_boy1141 your over complicated things. Here I'll make it easy for you. He meant that black American people from the hood have no structure. I'm from Chicago and and over here it's the exact same way. Latino gangs have structure while black people are just running wild shooting everything up. A few weeks ago hundreds of black teens gathered in downtown Chicago and started beating and robbing random people and then started shooting at each other. Latinos and whites don't do that. Here's a link to news report on that incident. th-cam.com/video/w_WIQ4wJ_cE/w-d-xo.html
Gangs are a joke! I grew up around some of the worst gangs in la. Never joined, some of my friends did and are now dead or in jail. YOU make a choice whether to join or not. It’s hard but you can get out of that damn hood and live a better life!
So, you are programed to march to the beat of the program. You're not allowed to be a functional thinking individual. Being lead down a dead-end road seems to be acceptable. The system thrives and survives because of these types of individuals.
The system thrives because people put family first? lol. The black community must be thriving then because there is no greater family dysfunction than in there. haha
📠 they want this militant loyalty than make their children and neighborhood children continue the cycle of crime and violence under the guise of a family unit.
As a black man i can honestly agree with everything he said,,,they do discipline there peoples and they don't give a shit if it's there family and there not fooling with no snitches at all they they will get dealt with and I notice that us blacks we be giving way to many passes when our people violate the codes...
All u people commenting about homies doing the right thing, and using discipline for good, remember we joined gangs to be rebelious, for the lack of love we hadd, for the bullshit we went thru , to prove we were as toupgh ass the streets that raised uss, the violence we used was the violence thats we saw growing up,,, we had discipline when we where taught it from the people we idolized and loved like the homies and older carnales
Idk about other brothas out side of Cali but the Cali brothas are with the glife there are many ogs still around, most of the old gangs run a tight program cali brothas are a diff breed .
I will tell you an answer or the answer. At least in the gangs of El Salvador, when you join the gang, you are not only part of the gang, but in a way you are owned by the gang. It's like selling your soul to the devil. When you're older you can "calm down" that it's some kind of retirement, but the gang always has authority over you, and if they want you to do something, you either have to do it or face the consequences. . The only way to get out of the gang completely is to become a Christian, but a real Christian, because if the other gang members in your gang see that you are just pretending, you have to face the consequences. I hope this answer has clarified you. That is with the gangs in El Salvador but I think it also applies to Guatemala and Honduras.
Lets be real he’s talking about hispanic gangs and organization in california prisons. What happens in latin america are two completely different things
What does corrupt governments have to do with the rest of the population? The U.S. funds revolutions and hand picks the dictatorship of said country. And then takes all the natural resources. How is any country in Latin America is supposed to progress under those circumstances?
Anything with Maravilla. Any neighborhood that stands against a giant is what I adore and aspire to be like. These men are definitely something else. My 100% respect.
Black and Brown pride ✊🏽🖤🤎🖐🏾, you can definitely be a member and still be a positive example. I know plenty Blood,Crips, and Eses that are really with the business, survived wars, and now are productive role models, no 🧢. Not every hero wears a cape, just because your still in doesn’t mean you can’t do good. Salute to the champion on a great interview, Big Herc is a dope podcaster also 👌🏽. What he saying is fact tho, he is not lying. You have organized black sets, but it’s far less as a collective structure.
Comes at a cost. Hispanics cannibalize their own over petty shit. Like they almost get off on hating on their own. Being blk and doing your time upstate is way more chill and relaxed. Made the time go by way faster
Keepin it 💯.! My Hat is off to you Big Herc. Much respect for realizing that things shouldn't be going they way they are. Maybe they would listen to some excellent wisdom from an old time OG but today's clout culture may just end his life for the clout. Bc they are not picky about who it Is specifically the REAL OG's. IMO
Im white and from Europe . All this looked cool from the internet 10 years ago. It's not cool and doesn't look good anymore. Respect to the ones deciding to step out be square and have a family. Without jail drugs and violence. I respect that and not some street war stories. Good luck on anyone wanting to do better. No hate towards the rest like in the video. But respect to the ones choosing to go the other direction. Drugs are not blessed and won't make you happy. God bless 💚🕊️🌍
That level of discipline is powerful but if you’ve got seniors that are still selling stolen property into their 60’s and 70’s, it’s obvious that your organization isn’t using that high level of discipline to advance itself. You’re squandering all that loyalty and obedience on bullshit. That senior should’ve been disciplined for not advancing himself to a position where he could one day share his wisdom and experience to further expand and strengthen the organizations power and influence.
I don't know but when I was up in Seattle I came across a lot of old la gang members that told me they moved there to get away from the gang Shyt..I asked if they couldn't do that in LA one told me u could fall back but what are u gonna do when the son or nephew of someone u smoked back in 92 See's u Walking home from work..u think they gonna say oh he's retired I'm give him a pass ..hell nah he's gonna drop u ..
That is not a plus, that is really sad. No room for growth, for changing, for moving forward. Stuck for the rest of their lives, for what they thought at 14.
I think it depends on each homeboy; once life is realized through milestones that provide clarity Vs. How deep that person is in that life when their perception has evolved accordingly
@ic3rap - She told the kid behind the counter she needed a gun where the slide wasn't to hard to move, that she use to have really strong hands but not anymore. I told the kid "that's from all the a** beatings she use to give me" the kid turned away to keep her seeing him cracking up and the look she gave me said I was about to get another
There more you know, the more you’re held accountable. The deeper, the harder to get out. If you have information that can put people away for serious time, you’ll probably not be able to leave on good terms.
You know the world is in bad shape when ex-convicts get out and say that integrity is lacking. They were just in there with monsters and total animals! Same on the outside, just more space.
i was surprised to hear that people still talk on jail house phones about the most sensitive shit. i just read about somebody's case the other day and the boys had evidence on them from the shit they said on the phone i thought people knew better in this day and age !
Regardless of anyone’s personal opinion, these guys live by a different standard. It actually takes more discipline and loyalty to be able to exist in that environment has to be difficult at times.
when my homie was looked up.. i guess he got along with the brothers and they tried to get him to switch sides.. they told him.. if you join us you dont have to worry about doing the program.. you dont need to workout if you dont feel like it.. you could go to sleep and wake up at anytime.. the homie said he did thought about it but he didnt do it
He stayed SOLID. that's the definition of a SOLID dude. you know where the pleasure lies but you choose to take the harder road cause in the end it makes you a more robust individual
Homeboy is right though, the Raza, whether that's the Northern homies or the Southerners are very strict and militant and everybody who is on board and on roll call and classed as an active Sureno or Norteno knows the big homies are very serious and won't take any shit so yes they are held to a higher standard than say the blacks who have numbers and obviously have very capable homeboys but are very fractured and disorganised and rarely come together under one banner.. its always either bloods, crops, bay area guys, BGF etc so the organisation is not there and neither the discipline, after the Raza it's the Whites/Woods who are the next militant and serious.
What up Big Herc? Great video. I got a question, speaking of Hispanics, if you’re black Hispanics like a Cuban, Dominican or Panamanian and they don’t speak English, are they with the black card? Or is there an other card? Because I know since Mexicans are mostly mixed of Native American and Spanish(white) they probably wouldn’t associate with black Hispanics.
I think if they are part of the culture they probably grew up in those gangs. They would more than likely be accepted in those gangs. Just my two cents.
Nah they do associate wit blac Hispanics and there’s even full blacks in Mexican gangs some hold enough weight to bang it in prison. If you not a Mexican that gang bang and don’t wanna bang there’s a car for others if I’m not mistaken .
It depends, if they belong to a black gang or Hispanic gang...if they are not from a gang and are Afro Latino, from personal experience I've seen them run paisa or other
I think it just boils down to commitment. a lot of new school vatos just didn't come up under a regimented system where the rules were enforced like back in the day so there's a lot of leniency and sloppiness. We all know what it takes to be a part of the neighborhood but you have a lot of pee wees nowadays that want to be cowboys and theyre one foot in , one foot out and there's nobody there to check them for that so it becomes normalized. As a result the gang life as a whole becomes watered down as Mr. Ayala said in the video. when the program is diluted the lifestyle is directly affected as well Plus there's also a lot of distractions out there in the world and if youre not 10 toes down and COMMITTED to the fullest youre going to be a victim of those distractions. these distractions leads to a lot of mistakes and has gotten a lot of brothers in situations where they cant control their freedom.
This is so true. For Bloods and Crips, 22 is an OG.By then u either dead, locked up or quit the life and got a job. These Latinos be in it for life tho.
I’ve listened to this homie talk before and thought he was really intelligent. Then I saw a video of him talking about how the earth is flat and some other weird shit and now I can’t take him serious.
Gangs are like a dead end job. No money, no good looking wife, no property, no house you own. Forget it.
You sound Dumb 😂
Not quite true. Believe it or not some of them end up being business owners and entrepreneurs
Death or long prison sentences. It's stupid.
Are you talking about prison gangs or street gangs because they ain’t the same
And yet none of those things u mentioned are meaningful either.
Every gang member is different. I'm an O.G. from Longo. The gang life got old for me. At some point a real Man grows and provides for his family. That is my gang. My Family.
Most cogent statement and comment.
That doesn't make you a "real" man. Your honor plays a part, and what you agreed to. If you put your work in hey have your family just like I did. But being a family man doesn't make you a real man. It's more than that
Yes sir❤❤
@@samuelalvarez875
Tit for tat for nothing? I have a feeling the only Black you even sort of like, is cheek buster 916 himself. What the thread initially said was relatively on point, so keep it pushing.
@@samuelalvarez875 And using a strap makes you a "real man" right?
Not gonna lie Big Herc watching your videos made me realize I'm not like that at all lmao I thought I was tough because of the environment & people I was around. Caught an adult case as a juvenile, did my 4 years got out was still in the bs but wasn't really aware of the long term consequences til your channel. I'm not built for long stretches' lmao F that. All the "big homies" made it seem like it wasn't that big of a deal smh. Got myself a job, became a square & now I'm raising my kid with my beautiful wife. Thanks Big Herc honestly.
Glad to see you were able to change your life around. 🙌 keep thriving!
Swayy your man. What I tell myself is being a parent and a husband to my wife is hard in many ways. Takes a lot of focus. No doubt your doing the right thing.
I'm the same as you bro nothing wrong with taking care of your family and being a good dude. So big ups to you for that swayy
On God 🔥💯
Hell yeah man's a hero! Listen to Big Herc, don't waste your life.
Sad mindset of the majority. I’m half black and Mexican, grew up in LA.
I stayed away from this BS
Yes. It’s what I say. Just don’t fucking do it!! Be your own self!!! You’ll be alright
It’s so weird to me how these guys talk about discipline and structure, but can’t follow laws on the street. All that discipline could really pay off if they used it in the right way.
Not when your in a category of balck, hispanic, latino, asian it's the governments fault and agenda to keep everyone divided... so the neo nazis in congress can rule the idiots
Who said they don’t follow the laws on the street?
That's the dumbest shit I've read all day.. I don't have the time or energy to explain this but, that's utterly stupid... Almost as stupid as being 70 years old still thinking like a 19 yr old.. It's no measure of health to be well adjusted to a sick society, I say that as a response to what you say and speaking to the foolishness the Mexican brother just explained
Who are you God? Why judge a book by its cover you dont know these individuals
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Because nobody Respects all of the Silly overreaching laws made by Freedom stealing politicians and Big Government overreach. Or the 🤡s that enforce them
I saw the writing on the wall when i was young. I saw older big homies living in the streets, homeless. I saw some that ended up flipping their lid because of too much hard drugs. I'm glad i turned down their offer to get jumped in. I probably would've ended up sleeping on someone's couch like a bum.
It's not worth it.
The drugs fucked everything up truth be told
Where was this at?
Homie talking about discipline but 80% of surenos are doing drugs everyday in county jail and prison…. This goes to almost every gang
All I can see is some old dude walking up to me with a walker and asking, 'hey homie, where you from?' lol
😂u snapped with this comment
When Spain first conquered the land that is now Mexico,30 million people lived there. Spain liquidated the population down to one million. Their culture was affected accordingly.
What are you trying to say by this
I tell them spaniards to liquidate deez nutz.
@@51234ad he literally told you in the comment. why would you ask what he means when he literally told you what he means? 💀🤦🏾♂️
@@51234ad
He’s saying Mexicans are some racist ass conquistadors.
The Spaniards didn't do it by fighting, they spread diseases that killed the natives.🤮
He tried so hard not to offend anyone. But sometimes the truth just hurts.
There is a difference between talking shit and talking truth, it's not my fault the truth sounds shitty
He offended himself , If you look deeper into it.
I can’t think of anything more sad than being over 70 and still needing to put in work for the hood
70???😂😂😂 more like by 35 most of the homies are dead and gone…
The thing with Mexicans is it's a profit system as well... with them it's a part of their culture now u got old Mexican gang members thats been from the hood for over 50 yrs their sons and daughters are from the hood and so is their grandkids...
@@ThunderKat2012did u not listen to him
he kept it 100% while not being disrespectful.
Always thoughtful and diplomatic. Everything is political. Wrong words can result in wars. Black and Brown gangsters talking in front of the masses need to be careful to ensure respect is always at the forefront.
Gotta respect it
@@rbrtrdz9574exactly,that's why they have their diplomats explaining things precisely
Every one thinks there tough till you come to Christ and have to fight an unseen enemy. Having real strength is picking up your cross daily and following Christ learning the 10 commandments and following them on a daily basis and not giving up during the trials. If you want to save the youth lead them to Christ. Remember the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom 🙏
Yeah the unseen enemy are the White Supremacists living in the hills.
Ngl Big Herc said a whole lotta nothing for a good minute 😂
Hahahahahahahahaha I was thinking the same ! Still gotta love him , biggest cheek buster in the game !
True character of a gangster is respect. Period
That’s why we need the first real gang back. Before cointel pro.
Fakes u ain't gt respect.. u literally have nothing . Im huge on respect idc who u think u are or who u are just respect me and mine💯
Facts* *got
Gangsters have bad character, stop romanticizing it.
The most Gangster shit you can do is provide for your family. That’s some real gangster shit
I provide for my family I never joined a gang just worked and study does that make a gangster
No, thats an obligation.
Any simp can do that. And be a fat slobby B1tch. So that statement is false.
Herc you gotta get Marvelous back on the show for another sit down. You guys should about the Aztec and who we are as people and what they call "conspiracy"
If you have an "OG" in your community, your community is jacked up. People don't need an old gang member to come check on you.
Sad shit, I'm black and Latino, my people need help, we have to learn a different way.
I agree US as black we definitely need more structure and that respect Herc was talking about we need that back ASAP. I wish we was more like the Hispanic/Latina community they love for one another be REAL. We will get there in due time. Great Interview and Prospect!
Latin
We Gotta be on code. We was militant but we were broken down
Need more traditional , black to many kids out of wedlock , need stop having kids if not married cuz
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Remember Eugene On The sopranos inherited some money and asked Tony if he could move to Florida, and Tony was like “ this is for life”. Poor Eugene hung himself so his wife could move on!
Its just a movie bro. Movies are not real people.
@@blackslav1497 Yeah, but good writers and directors draw from real life situations. I'm sure there have been people that offed themselves in real life when they saw no other way out.
While it was just a TV show, I don’t think that the Italian Mafia has provisions for quitting or retiring. There is only one way out.
yeah, Eugene Pontecorvo
Sad seeing an older gang banger out in the streets still at it, seems like a wasted life feels they never accomplished anything
Big Momma would of had you washing his draws😂😂😂😂😂
Lmfaoo the wash your ass soap ad at the end 😂😂😂
Need make this convo go viral we need to hear this ❤ much love thanks Big Hurk and Homie
"Thank you, Big Herc, for creating such a valuable resource for those of us who are interested in learning more about the prison system and the experiences of those who have been incarcerated. Your personal insights and the expertise of your guests have been incredibly helpful in providing a better understanding of the realities of prison life. Your channel is making a real difference in the lives of those who are facing incarceration, and I appreciate the time and effort you put into creating such informative content. Keep up the great work!"
Thanks again Big Herc. People should hear this.
Real conversation!!! This is the shit we need!!!
My Abuelo still be bustin cheeks on the daily.
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Thats...... That's deep.
Pero hasta cuándo mijo
BULLSHIT
That's wild😂
As a black man myself we couldn't come together to build or structure a kid's playhouse without cat fighting. I've been on this earth 41 years and I've never seen a bunch of brothers come together to structure, fix or build anything.
Blm tho
As a Chicano, I say the same tbing
At work, all we do is bicker amongst ourselves and backstab one another. 😢❤❤❤❤❤
There's a reason for that .
💯 agree with you
I grew up in a Church and it was a good place.
Structure is only in regards to gang culture. You're talking about gang culture Structure. If your community is entrenched in gang culture then that's what could drive the community. Really the gang culture is keeping a community down. I'm not a gang member so I can't speak on that. I can say it my community in KC gangs are played out. That won't get your people anywhere. There are millions of black and brown men doing good and not involved in that BS
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No disrespect to anybody but Kansas city gang culture was never on the level of La
there's different levels of committment that we're talking about. more comittment = more longevity for the gang within the community
If the older folks in your crew ain’t able to retire…ain’t able to advance..why would you ever follow after them?!?
This is why they have a ridiculous "drop out" rate. Probably also why money sign suede got hit. Elevation is not allowed and it only takes one hater in a position of power to have u hit....I'll pass 😂😂
Exactly start turning on each other and for what? So they can get along with AB shit head racists that don’t even like their people? Hey that’s when all the indigenous talk goes out the window, and the Whitening of the raza comes in. The disrespect these people have for the people that struggled with racist America, and paved their civil liberties is unfathomable.
All these assumptions about suede all hilarious
Seems like it boils down to cultural differences on the American individualism vs Latino conformity and discipline. Many Asian cultures also prize the whole over the individual.
From 50 to 85 percent of gang
members come either from a single-
parent home, or one in which no parent
resides. If the parent is not available to
provide structure, supervision, support,
and caring during this crucial time of
adolescent development, teens may turn
to gang participation to fulfill their needs.
The game ain’t watered down, it’s the players…… the game NEVER changes, just the players
They cannot stop because there is no retirement plan, or medical benefits.
This is a sad situation for Hispanics in America and why we are always treated like crap by society. Other races like Asians, Indians, etc are moving up in the world and investing in education and property ownership while Hispanics are stuck in this ignorant mindset and ruining things for the rest of Hispanic society. This is why we will never move out of poverty and crime.
Try being Black we had it the worst bottom of the barrel you guys have it easier compared to us.
Hispanic ain't a race 😂😂😂 Mestizo is the race Native American mixed with Spanish... We are treated like crap by society because Caucasians have no love for us and it's their system that has been implemented
Probably because Hispanic isn’t a race buddy you have black, white and asian, Native American, mestizo which is who I think you’re referring to. Hispanic is not a race nor an ethnicity it’s garbage Spaniards are Hispanic and they have many neo nazis and white supremacists in their country because Spaniards are white.
@@Mareko49ernahh not true whites are more cool with y’all
Raza and blacks are 2 diffrent worlds Raza is organized blacks are just out there
The results are the same...prison.😂
They are both stupid useless gangbangers who destroy their communities and family.
Ehh not true. You contradicted yourself……you can’t look at “black” people as just “out there” or unorganized when the truth of the matter is that black people aren’t a monolith. They aren’t “one”. In other words “they” aren’t a “they”….lumping them as if they’re together or that they should be together based on skin color is the problem. “They” aren’t together because “they’re” literally not together. It would make more sense to look at the identity of the structure based on something more real like specific gangs, religion, region (neighborhood/city) etc…the problem with these discussions is that “black” people are being judged by skin color and hair texture while other people are being judged by nation, culture language etc.
Now…..how are “blacks” structure under a organization like Islam?
@@beach_boy1141 your over complicated things. Here I'll make it easy for you. He meant that black American people from the hood have no structure. I'm from Chicago and and over here it's the exact same way. Latino gangs have structure while black people are just running wild shooting everything up. A few weeks ago hundreds of black teens gathered in downtown Chicago and started beating and robbing random people and then started shooting at each other. Latinos and whites don't do that. Here's a link to news report on that incident.
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@@beach_boy1141 facts N there’s always Mexican that are out there and there’s some black gang tha are super structure
Gangs are a joke! I grew up around some of the worst gangs in la. Never joined, some of my friends did and are now dead or in jail. YOU make a choice whether to join or not. It’s hard but you can get out of that damn hood and live a better life!
What part of LA?
I’m latino as well but being honest staying active as a gang member until you’re an old man is stupid as shit
I seen this foo recently in south LA he looked spooked asf head always ona swivel smart dude tho
That's called being on your p's and q's. He was raised accordingly.
So, you are programed to march to the beat of the program. You're not allowed to be a functional thinking individual. Being lead down a dead-end road seems to be acceptable. The system thrives and survives because of these types of individuals.
Unfortunately that is exactly what happens...we have no autonomy which definitely has its pros and cons
The system thrives because people put family first? lol. The black community must be thriving then because there is no greater family dysfunction than in there. haha
📠 they want this militant loyalty than make their children and neighborhood children continue the cycle of crime and violence under the guise of a family unit.
As a black man i can honestly agree with everything he said,,,they do discipline there peoples and they don't give a shit if it's there family and there not fooling with no snitches at all they they will get dealt with and I notice that us blacks we be giving way to many passes when our people violate the codes...
ALL i know is in Cali theres more PC yards now than GP yards. So theres plenty of Hispanics that have D/O. Dropouts happen in EVERY race.... 🤷♂
All u people commenting about homies doing the right thing, and using discipline for good, remember we joined gangs to be rebelious, for the lack of love we hadd, for the bullshit we went thru , to prove we were as toupgh ass the streets that raised uss, the violence we used was the violence thats we saw growing up,,, we had discipline when we where taught it from the people we idolized and loved like the homies and older carnales
Idk about other brothas out side of Cali but the Cali brothas are with the glife there are many ogs still around, most of the old gangs run a tight program cali brothas are a diff breed .
Cali “brothas” let Hispanics disrespect them to their faces and in their own neighborhoods. You guys are a different breed alright 😂
California is definitely a different breed. For better or worse
When men with a background like these are worried about the lack of social structure and social control.... then you know its bad!
I will tell you an answer or the answer.
At least in the gangs of El Salvador, when you join the gang, you are not only part of the gang, but in a way you are owned by the gang. It's like selling your soul to the devil. When you're older you can "calm down" that it's some kind of retirement, but the gang always has authority over you, and if they want you to do something, you either have to do it or face the consequences. .
The only way to get out of the gang completely is to become a Christian, but a real Christian, because if the other gang members in your gang see that you are just pretending, you have to face the consequences.
I hope this answer has clarified you. That is with the gangs in El Salvador but I think it also applies to Guatemala and Honduras.
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3 world gangs are way different than what u see in America...the gangs in south America is like a job ..
🇲🇽🇲🇽i realized i was killing out my own raza and that hit me hard , i’m now all about us uniting !!❤️🇲🇽🇲🇽
Both of you said it perfect. Always love the show big herc much love
I respect the discipline and structure. A con though is who wants to have to listen to someone as a grown man?
A pro is that its good for the group.
He talking about there disciplined but yet most of latin america is inprovished and theyre flooding the border. Lets be real.
Lets be real he’s talking about hispanic gangs and organization in california prisons. What happens in latin america are two completely different things
Let’s be real look at all the places in Africa wayyyy worse.
He’s talking about prison in California
Uh that’s cuz most of them have corrupt governments. Latinos are some of the most disciplined hard working people out there.
What does corrupt governments have to do with the rest of the population? The U.S. funds revolutions and hand picks the dictatorship of said country. And then takes all the natural resources. How is any country in Latin America is supposed to progress under those circumstances?
This big biscuit is reminiscening on his favorite movie 'American Me'...especially those love scenes 👀
This interview ain’t it saluting one gang while shunning another is part of why it will always be Black vs Brown
Anything with Maravilla. Any neighborhood that stands against a giant is what I adore and aspire to be like. These men are definitely something else. My 100% respect.
This isn't some honorable thing, dude. It's over crime plain and simple.
@@I.D.I.O.C.R.A.C.Y. cuz we don't meat ride the white man laws ..were above that
Fuck mantequilla, they didn’t pay taxes but they definitely paid for their homies funerals, for nothing because they’re with the program now anyways
Black and Brown pride ✊🏽🖤🤎🖐🏾, you can definitely be a member and still be a positive example. I know plenty Blood,Crips, and Eses that are really with the business, survived wars, and now are productive role models, no 🧢. Not every hero wears a cape, just because your still in doesn’t mean you can’t do good. Salute to the champion on a great interview, Big Herc is a dope podcaster also 👌🏽. What he saying is fact tho, he is not lying. You have organized black sets, but it’s far less as a collective structure.
Depends on the racist perspective.
Comes at a cost. Hispanics cannibalize their own over petty shit. Like they almost get off on hating on their own. Being blk and doing your time upstate is way more chill and relaxed. Made the time go by way faster
could just..not join a gang and be a real man
That’s a lie. My homie dad was from VNE for 20 years and moved away. And he has been good . His dad is about to be 78 years old
how is Vne doing these days? i hope theyre still going strong the homies created something special there in the neighborhood man
@Name Less The projects are still around so nothing has changed. Less homies on the street but still crazy at night.
GO USC!
Keepin it 💯.! My Hat is off to you Big Herc. Much respect for realizing that things shouldn't be going they way they are. Maybe they would listen to some excellent wisdom from an old time OG but today's clout culture may just end his life for the clout. Bc they are not picky about who it Is specifically the REAL OG's. IMO
Ive never seen black dudes with hands chopped off but ive definitely seen it in the brown community
A smart man learn from his mistakes.!! A wise man learned from the mistakes of others!! If it doesn’t help you grow. You don’t want it!
I respect that he made the comparison without being disrespectful ✊🏾
Im white and from Europe . All this looked cool from the internet 10 years ago. It's not cool and doesn't look good anymore. Respect to the ones deciding to step out be square and have a family. Without jail drugs and violence. I respect that and not some street war stories. Good luck on anyone wanting to do better. No hate towards the rest like in the video. But respect to the ones choosing to go the other direction. Drugs are not blessed and won't make you happy. God bless 💚🕊️🌍
That level of discipline is powerful but if you’ve got seniors that are still selling stolen property into their 60’s and 70’s, it’s obvious that your organization isn’t using that high level of discipline to advance itself. You’re squandering all that loyalty and obedience on bullshit. That senior should’ve been disciplined for not advancing himself to a position where he could one day share his wisdom and experience to further expand and strengthen the organizations power and influence.
Look at the state sanctioned music, social media trends, and household dynamics . Gang culture isn’t going anywhere
Someone once told me, "The pen is fun."😂😂😂😂
I thought aging out was a Chicago thing. They call it retire out, after ten years or having a kid, you can walk away.
thats how it is for a lot of cholos too. they get a kid, get a union job, get fat and stay out the way.
Not really u either a runway or get a violation out .
I don't know but when I was up in Seattle I came across a lot of old la gang members that told me they moved there to get away from the gang Shyt..I asked if they couldn't do that in LA one told me u could fall back but what are u gonna do when the son or nephew of someone u smoked back in 92 See's u Walking home from work..u think they gonna say oh he's retired I'm give him a pass ..hell nah he's gonna drop u ..
That is not a plus, that is really sad. No room for growth, for changing, for moving forward. Stuck for the rest of their lives, for what they thought at 14.
I think it depends on each homeboy;
once life is realized through milestones that provide clarity
Vs.
How deep that person is in that life when their perception has evolved accordingly
This guy thinks before he speaks. Very rare these days
Hispanics never leave the gang because they love all the cheek busting that comes with being a gang member #GayForTheStay
At 50yrs old my 75yr old mother almost backhanded me for a smart *** I made in a store
what did you say
@ic3rap - She told the kid behind the counter she needed a gun where the slide wasn't to hard to move, that she use to have really strong hands but not anymore. I told the kid "that's from all the a** beatings she use to give me" the kid turned away to keep her seeing him cracking up and the look she gave me said I was about to get another
There more you know, the more you’re held accountable. The deeper, the harder to get out. If you have information that can put people away for serious time, you’ll probably not be able to leave on good terms.
You know the world is in bad shape when ex-convicts get out and say that integrity is lacking. They were just in there with monsters and total animals! Same on the outside, just more space.
Damn i swear i was locked up with this G back in late late 09. In FDC SEATAC. Seemed to get respect from the other sureños at the unit.
Whether we are good or bad, have structure or not, our skin makes us a target of hate.
Good interview... it's a Latino thing but also in Europe again different, it's a cultural thing
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Not only do people dry snitch about murder on phones. But, they kill for nothing. With no evidence of a violation.
i was surprised to hear that people still talk on jail house phones about the most sensitive shit. i just read about somebody's case the other day and the boys had evidence on them from the shit they said on the phone i thought people knew better in this day and age !
@@203_Boy You'd think so but common sense isn't so common these days and its even worst now with SMART phones....
Great conversation, lots of knowledge being told.
No lies in this conversation💯💯💯
Great refreshing conversation
Regardless of anyone’s personal opinion, these guys live by a different standard. It actually takes more discipline and loyalty to be able to exist in that environment has to be difficult at times.
when my homie was looked up.. i guess he got along with the brothers and they tried to get him to switch sides.. they told him.. if you join us you dont have to worry about doing the program.. you dont need to workout if you dont feel like it.. you could go to sleep and wake up at anytime.. the homie said he did thought about it but he didnt do it
He stayed SOLID. that's the definition of a SOLID dude. you know where the pleasure lies but you choose to take the harder road cause in the end it makes you a more robust individual
Was he a gang member?
@@silentassassin6162I doubt it since he would have had to stay on whatever side the gang was.
He was probably mixed too.
They just wanted to bust them cheeks lol
@@Francisco-nq7dvu 🎉🎉 dudes .. always with the prison fantasy..
Homeboy is right though, the Raza, whether that's the Northern homies or the Southerners are very strict and militant and everybody who is on board and on roll call and classed as an active Sureno or Norteno knows the big homies are very serious and won't take any shit so yes they are held to a higher standard than say the blacks who have numbers and obviously have very capable homeboys but are very fractured and disorganised and rarely come together under one banner.. its always either bloods, crops, bay area guys, BGF etc so the organisation is not there and neither the discipline, after the Raza it's the Whites/Woods who are the next militant and serious.
And That’s why ppl like Suede get hit up and die cause you not aloud to be yourself or try to out do a “Big homie”
What up Big Herc? Great video. I got a question, speaking of Hispanics, if you’re black Hispanics like a Cuban, Dominican or Panamanian and they don’t speak English, are they with the black card? Or is there an other card? Because I know since Mexicans are mostly mixed of Native American and Spanish(white) they probably wouldn’t associate with black Hispanics.
They would probably run “other”. A dude i grew up with his dad was afrocuban and ran with the mexicans because he belonged to a mexican gang
What a sad retarded question
I think if they are part of the culture they probably grew up in those gangs. They would more than likely be accepted in those gangs. Just my two cents.
Nah they do associate wit blac Hispanics and there’s even full blacks in Mexican gangs some hold enough weight to bang it in prison. If you not a Mexican that gang bang and don’t wanna bang there’s a car for others if I’m not mistaken .
It depends, if they belong to a black gang or Hispanic gang...if they are not from a gang and are Afro Latino, from personal experience I've seen them run paisa or other
This dude is untouched with reality on this subject
Respect to these two gentleman/OG's for givin' G.A.M.E.
I don't think the home is an og just yet
I think it just boils down to commitment. a lot of new school vatos just didn't come up under a regimented system where the rules were enforced like back in the day so there's a lot of leniency and sloppiness. We all know what it takes to be a part of the neighborhood but you have a lot of pee wees nowadays that want to be cowboys and theyre one foot in , one foot out and there's nobody there to check them for that so it becomes normalized. As a result the gang life as a whole becomes watered down as Mr. Ayala said in the video. when the program is diluted the lifestyle is directly affected as well
Plus there's also a lot of distractions out there in the world and if youre not 10 toes down and COMMITTED to the fullest youre going to be a victim of those distractions.
these distractions leads to a lot of mistakes and has gotten a lot of brothers in situations where they cant control their freedom.
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Underrated comment 💯💯💯💯
No one was going to think what you thought they were going to think
This is so true. For Bloods and Crips, 22 is an OG.By then u either dead, locked up or quit the life and got a job. These Latinos be in it for life tho.
Thank you so much for this video Big Herc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’ve listened to this homie talk before and thought he was really intelligent. Then I saw a video of him talking about how the earth is flat and some other weird shit and now I can’t take him serious.
They're disciplined and structured for time 😂 thats not good. 😂 smh
Daniel’s right though and also, shout out to him for specifying that it’s not to put other races down it’s just the way the structure is.
Bruh really proud of that ☠️💀
I sure thought TH-cam took this channel down. Glad to see if still up.
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Thank you 🙏
Boyz N Tha Hood speaks volumes as well, good movie.
The “Maravilla Prophet”
My guy said if ur on your death bed then MAAAAYBE!! 😂😂 Sheesh!! Lol