I came here for the Lexus review and was more wowed by the delicious hard facts. Robert should release another new video covering and titled for this fact alone. Important stuff!
@@DiscoFang I thought the same and was thinking about how much more co2 is created getting this fuel from where it's made to all the fuel station's everyday
Hello - another fantastic show. I think this kind of program will do more for increasing the acceptance of electric cars than any dry policy debate. The second part of the video is also really important and I will also vote for you separating the two parts. I didn't know anything about the electric usage for fuel production and I'm sure many other people could use this information.
Would it be possible to publish those musings as a separate video, without the Lexus review? Cause I'd like to share it around my interwebs a bit, maybe slap subtitles on it for my fellow countrymen.
4.5 kWh to refine each gallon! In my Zoe I can drive about 22 miles on that much electric energy. That's comparable to the distance you can actually drive using one gallon in an internal combustion engine car! Thanks for this nugget of information. I feel shocked and enlightened.
Robert, thank you for responding. Just making an observation. No disrespect intended. Always looking for another episode of Fully Charged. Bruce Moore Cary, North Carolina (USA)
That's CO subscript 2 for carbon dioxide Bobby! Some good points there (too many numbers for Clarkson to understand I fear, though he may get the pictures if you colour them in). I only hope the cost of electric or hybrid cars come down a little further so they're more accessible to the general public
I use to work in coal mining (when we had an industry) and we used vast amounts of electricty to extract the coal. This amount will have stayed more or less constant for 'home grown' coal but the stuff we get now is transported half way around the world, and I'm sure they don't use sailing ships to transport it! My point is that all these variables add up to a very complex picture which the Petro-Chemical industry hide behind to give misinformation to the general public. Lovely car by the way, thanks for another good one.
Hi Graham, thank you for that bit of information. In all the time I've been arguing about this topic (too long) it has never once occurred to me that the coal mining insudtry uses electricity. It's glaringly obvious now you mention it. I will certainly be making more, and hopefully better drawn illustrations of the true cost of the heat and light we are all used to.
Great bit about oil refining on the end there, Bobby, but it missed one interesting statistic: comparing ~4.5kWh/gallon-of-petrol to what an electric car could do with the energy instead (a Nissan Leaf could drive 14 miles). It's already gone half as far as an average ICE car would, without burning coal to refine oil to burn petrol to do it!
This is great. The snippet about the added energy costs that go into (part) of the production of petrol was fantastic. I am sure someone out there must have taken a stab at a proper life cycle analysis comparison. I have seen one (paid for by the auto industry) that shows a Prius put out more carbon than a Chevy Tahoe over the course of it's life. I've got a feeling that study ignored some of the "externalities" that you take a stab at here.....
The cost of refining is definately an aspect of fossil fuels that I had not been considering..Thanks for pointing this out and bringing it to all our attentions. Maybe as more and more electricity is consumed as opposed to oil, the oil refining will become even less cost efficient and therefore so expensive anyway, the whole thing will right itself....
Try adding in the amount of energy to transport the oil to the refinery be it by super tanker or pipe line, then the distribution of the refined product.
Also let's not forget petrol stations. They ALL run on electricity powered by coal fired power stations. If we did away with those too there'd be even more electricity available for electric cars.
Really enjoyed that part at the end as lots people seem to forget about Oil refinery. Another argument against fossil fuel cars compared to electric cars powered by coal power plants is that the pollution is concentrated in one place outside of big cities rather than inside them. With Paris having to stop half the petrol cars from entering a few months ago because of the pollution in the city hitting dangerously high levels this is already a concern. Another (although probably tiny in the grand scheme) thing that people forget is that the refined fuel uses fuel to get to the petrol station. And then there is the fuel cost of exaction, but this also applies to coal. Also I'm uncertain about this but is the amount of CO2 released from a Coal powered power station to power a electric car for 100 miles actually more than the amount of CO2 a petrol car produces to go 100 miles? Seems to me with economies of scale that the coal power plant would want to be as efficient as possible.
I want to buy Nissan Leaf...does anybody know why they stopped putting chademo chargers on the recent models??? Is there coming out a new leaf soon? And is there no possibility to charge a Leaf on 3 phases? Thx for your answers!!
It's the other way round, the engine is there as backup to the main drive electric motor. The engine supplies additional drive to the transaxle and the way the transmission operates, the act of giving and controlling the torque output of that drive also charges the battery. The second electric motor acts as the generator and in doing so modulates the planetary gearset to act as a CVT.
Robert, exploring and drilling and extracting oil also take a lot of electricity. Extraction of oil is the second largest consumer of electricity in CA, for example. Now with heavy crudes, it also takes a lot of natural gas and water - each of which takes electricity to get. Tar sands bitumen is worse, yet. The "long tailpipe" argument is moot. A couple of years ago, I saw a graphic from Nissan that had a total of 7.5kWh / gallon of gasoline. And I have seen estimate of up to 13kWh / gallon from tar sands bitumen. Even to pump that sludge through a pipeline, it has to be diluted (hence the moniker 'dilbit') and it takes a lot of pressure to force it through the pipe, even then. Building and operating the machinery to drill and extract oil from deep water wells (remember the difficult to make drilling 'mud'?) is non-trivial. And there are loads of chemicals and energy used to get natural gas, that are used in the refining process. Then more transport, and more pumping to and from storage tanks, then into the tank at the filling station, and even some to pump the gasoline into your tank!
Great video as usual. Just a minor comment, the photo of the chimneys you show at 5:35 is part of the cooling system of the power plant and the 'white smoke' is just steam. General public associates this picture with pollution when in fact those chimneys are not the problem.
***** , could you post that second part as a separate video? Don't really care about the hybrid (almost stopped the video prematurely) but really enjoyed the second part which I'd love to forward to a lot of people.
oops, i hope nobody missed the very important 2nd part like i almost did. i had to come back the 2nd time to watch the bit about the fuel refining. i thought the program ended after the lexus bit on 1st viewing and clicked off. plz show a short intro of whats coming at the beginning.
I wish that all hybrids had a plug on them, even it only gave a few miles that still a fuel/planet saving given that against the cost of a car it would not be expensive to do I wonder why they don't?
Robin Yellow It depends on the terrain, one's driving style, the outside temperature and whether you need A/C, amongst other things. I believe Robert himself has indicated on a previous video that during his Leaf trips he can and does achieve 100 miles between charges. Driving efficiently isn't being a fanboi. I regularly achieve 10% more than my petrol car's rated combined mpg on both short and long trips. Conversely, I can achieve much worse if I feel the desire simply by accelerating and braking more aggressively at every opportunity.
Robin Yellow The Leaf gross battery capacity might be 24, but its nett capacity that's actually usable is more like 20 or 21 kW. That also explains why the Renault Zoe has more range since it's nett battery capacity is 22 kW (they only advertise the nett capacity, while Nissan uses the gross, weirdly). So 4.5 kW would give the Leaf around 18 miles. My Zoe gets between 16 and 19 miles on that electricity to refine one gallon, so very similar.
Emile Nossin does all of that 4.5kwh get absorbed into the battery or its there some loss in the charging process? In any case up to 40 percent of the energy gets lost in transmission from the power station across the grid to your house. Any direct comparison of mileage would probably need a PhD.
Gobsmacking revelations at the end of your piece! We are so ill-informed about these not-so-little 'facts', that surely a larger, (and open), campaign about the use of filthy energy might get normal folk like us to rethink our approach to the stuff?
I really enjoyed this video, particularly the bit at the end where you talk about the energy used in refining oil. But I think you made a serious error. You said that the refineries used 5,600 gWh. An american billion is 1,000,000,000. So it would actually be 5,600,000,000,000 - which is 1000 times more than you wrote. A british billion would be 1000 times more than that. So unless you meant 5.6 gWh instead of 5,600, it might be good to make an annotation on the video, or do a followup. ;)
I wish I was better at math. (Note the use of the American vernacular there, we call it maths) The figures from the UN stated very clearly that it was 5,600 gwh, not 5.6. That was the annual consumption of the three big refineries in the UK. If I remember correctly, the US figure was over 25,000 gWh. But you are right, I am going to go over the figures with a friend who can do math, and understand what a billion is both in the UK and the US :-)
fullychargedshow That's great. And as several people have commented here, the segment talking about refinery energy usage seemed to be a big hit. It definitely deserves a piece on its own, *especially* since so many EV haters always bring up the "Yeah, but you charge it up with coal power" (which obviously isn't true everywhere -- where I .live we use 90% hydro).
fullychargedshow no you are allright, your british math seem to be the same as swedish math ;) 5'600 gWh is 5'600 000 000 kWh. the 5,600,000,000,000 noumber as OccamKant got whith his american math ;) is in Watt houers, not kilo Watt houers. no annotation on the video needed
Kalle Centergren Yes, I missed the kWh indicator at the end. My bad. I guess I was assuming that if he was going to write it out longhand he would write it out as watt hours instead of kWh.
You may want to discuss the environmental cost of producing a battery, as people frequently use this as an argument against electric cars. I don't *think* it is very big. Also, when you are evaluating the effect of refining oil, you should do it in relative figures, rather than absolute figures. For example: "A petrol car produces 100 gC02/mile, but this is not including the refinement. If you consider the emmisions created in refining from the typical UK power source*, then its approximately 110gC02/mile." *The combination of power sources that feed any electricity supply are governed by what they pay for, not what the closest plant is.
....and, let's face it...burning fuel is not only good, it's absolutely necessary if we don't want to go back to the stone age. Oil is cheap, easy to gain and process, easy to store and highly energy dense. It's what makes the world go round. Simple fact. And yes, I drive an EREV.
In our current technological world I totally agree with you, when I sit in a massive traffic jam in my Leaf and imagine the vast amounts of fuel being burned around me to no useful end, I am more than aware that there is very little alternative. I never blame people for burning fuel, it's normal and it's what we're used to. However I am increasingly encouraged by the fact that viable, non stone-age alternatives are developing very rapidly, hence why I do this show.
fullychargedshow Yeah!! For the first time I endure traffic jams knowing I'm not burning a single drop of fuel. Feels good. Thing is, I just don't like normal cars anymore. Their engines, the shaking, the noise, fumes, gear changes and what have you...just so.....old fashioned.....yeah, and I like your show indeed.
The point about refineries using electricity is correct but it's not really a valid point, as those refineries would still be using the same amount of electricity even if everyone on the planet drove a Tesla, the only difference would be that those refineries would be disposing of the petrol as a waste product by pouring it into the river or burning it (like they did before cars).
Earth day was just 8 days ago I believe and the numbers at the end of this video really brings home how much we are still need to do, understand, as well as not being told. There is still just so much money in keeping things the same, but for those of us who understand our individual power to choose and vote with our dollars (currency) and support things that make a real difference, we are helping to usher in a new day. On average now, in just less than 4 years, I see two to three Nissan Leafs whenever I am out and about. That doubled from the amount I saw just one year ago with Tesla's becoming more frequent in some neighborhoods as well. There is so much more to choose from in a short time and still me have so much to do....
Second part, to produce electricity though we’re using fossil fuel and to refine fossil fuel we use electricity. Something you didn’t mention and just simply mentioned what elon musk said which is not much relevant to the argument. The only way pure electric cars not highly dependent on fossil fuels is if the electricity is produced through a nuclear power plant. But even then, we’re still exhausting a non renewable resource from the production of batteries.
A nonhybrid Lexus, Acura, Lincoln will be significantly cheaper to buy... about 7000 pounds. An environmentalist site called Greenercars calculates the "cost" in pollution of every car sold in the US. They have discovered an EV is no cleaner than a Prius, and in some models (Tesla), the electric car is rated less clean than a VW Passat diesel! (Mainly because of the Tesla's huge battery & energy-intensive aluminum body.)
I think you should've skipped the Lexus and just release 2nd part as stand alone video. Fascinating, unlike the lexus review, yawn Lexi are driven by golfers and freemasons...
Dear Robert. If you say we shouldn't listen to the Koch Brothers you actually reflect a very antidemocratic attitude. I wish you'd grant others the same rights you wish to enjoy.....
Hang on a minute, let me parse that criticism. I say (as a joke by the way) we shouldn't listen to two of the most aggressive powerful, influential and wealthy men on the planet and that's wrong because it's an antidemocratic attitude. The Koch brothers very evidently don't give a fig for democracy, they are merely interested in using their immense wealth and influence to continue to bolster their position. Anyone who attempts to restrain that march is belittled, denigrated, criticised and undermined by their brutal, no holds barred determination to maintain their position. If I had said, 'they should be put up against a wall and shot' that would have been a very nasty and antidemocratic attitude, I merely suggested we don't listen to these pugnacious old white men who have the loudest voices in the energy debate in the USA.
fullychargedshow Well, thanks for your reply. It's not about their attitude. One might like it, one might not. That's not the point. Nevertheless, I do not want to spin this into a political debate, it's not the right place to do so. I prefer to watch your videos, because that's what I signed up for. Is that fine for you? Cheers.
manoman0 Your defence of the Koch Brothers is not a celebration of Democracy, but of Plutocracy. The ability of the rich to influence democratic processes, beyond the ability of other citizens, is universally considered to be a *subversion* of democracy's notions of *equal* representation.
roidroid I don't defend the K-Brothers. I say that free speech is free speech. Hindering free speech is no free speech. You cheer at shutting down an opinion you don't like is the very moment you'll get shut down yourself. In the not so distant future. Be careful what you wish for.
0-60 in 8.3? That's not fast at all that is very slow a BMW 320d is faster and not fast in its self. I drove one of these IS300h cars at the Goodwood FoS moving motor show and getting it up to 50 mph after the chicane was a long drown out affair. The flappy pedals are fake as it never changes gear as such. It uses an E-CVT and being continuously variable there in no sudden change from one to the other. Its is also a compact car not a large car the GS is the big one.
NotHandMade of course a diesel or petrol car is faster. Hybrids are just a step closer to being an economical saving within our economy. You are truly thick to compare a car that is made to save fuel to a car that loves to burst it all into emissions that cause more pollution
he is showing pictures of lexus Es or LS not IS
The car looks nice, but the second part of the video was a huge eye-opener. Wow!
I came here for the Lexus review and was more wowed by the delicious hard facts. Robert should release another new video covering and titled for this fact alone. Important stuff!
@@DiscoFang I thought the same and was thinking about how much more co2 is created getting this fuel from where it's made to all the fuel station's everyday
He didn’t mention though that most electric power plants produce electricity using lots of oil.
"It's got paddly flippers on the thing"
Fantastic automotive journalism.
Don't think he's an automotive journalist.
Ah, it's just like the Pilot episode. Simple, honest explaining and nothing to change about it!
I am surprised it took you so long to do that conclusion! And yes you are so right!!!
Hello - another fantastic show. I think this kind of program will do more for increasing the acceptance of electric cars than any dry policy debate.
The second part of the video is also really important and I will also vote for you separating the two parts. I didn't know anything about the electric usage for fuel production and I'm sure many other people could use this information.
Nice graphics in the end part and good info, Thanks ;)
Some great info, and 'fuel' for 'discussion' with the fossil fuel lobby. Thanks again Erin
Great episode especially the end! Hopefully do an entire episode debunking all the myths.
Love the graphics in the 2nd part :)
Great second half! Will begin spreading immediately. :)
Absolutely LOVED this episode. Using coal generated electricity to refine crude oil into diesel fuel for cars - fantastic plan !!!
Would it be possible to publish those musings as a separate video, without the Lexus review? Cause I'd like to share it around my interwebs a bit, maybe slap subtitles on it for my fellow countrymen.
Oops tried to post this before but it didn't work. Hopefully this one does: Lexus is300h | Fully Charged
Seconded, a seperate video please!
I had been thinking about that. I have a couple of other ones I'm working on in a similar style. I will post them all as separate vids on this channel
4.5 kWh to refine each gallon! In my Zoe I can drive about 22 miles on that much electric energy. That's comparable to the distance you can actually drive using one gallon in an internal combustion engine car! Thanks for this nugget of information. I feel shocked and enlightened.
Robert, thank you for responding. Just making an observation. No disrespect intended. Always looking for another episode of Fully Charged.
Bruce Moore
Cary, North Carolina (USA)
Best video yet! not the Lexus, the figures about oil refineries
That's CO subscript 2 for carbon dioxide Bobby! Some good points there (too many numbers for Clarkson to understand I fear, though he may get the pictures if you colour them in). I only hope the cost of electric or hybrid cars come down a little further so they're more accessible to the general public
Thanks for the correction, I'll get it right in the end and I'm going to buy a box of crayons to do colouring in for Mr C :-)
Clarkson isn't a fan of colours i'm afraid.
I use to work in coal mining (when we had an industry) and we used vast amounts of electricty to extract the coal. This amount will have stayed more or less constant for 'home grown' coal but the stuff we get now is transported half way around the world, and I'm sure they don't use sailing ships to transport it! My point is that all these variables add up to a very complex picture which the Petro-Chemical industry hide behind to give misinformation to the general public.
Lovely car by the way, thanks for another good one.
Hi Graham, thank you for that bit of information. In all the time I've been arguing about this topic (too long) it has never once occurred to me that the coal mining insudtry uses electricity. It's glaringly obvious now you mention it.
I will certainly be making more, and hopefully better drawn illustrations of the true cost of the heat and light we are all used to.
Great bit about oil refining on the end there, Bobby, but it missed one interesting statistic: comparing ~4.5kWh/gallon-of-petrol to what an electric car could do with the energy instead (a Nissan Leaf could drive 14 miles). It's already gone half as far as an average ICE car would, without burning coal to refine oil to burn petrol to do it!
This is great. The snippet about the added energy costs that go into (part) of the production of petrol was fantastic. I am sure someone out there must have taken a stab at a proper life cycle analysis comparison. I have seen one (paid for by the auto industry) that shows a Prius put out more carbon than a Chevy Tahoe over the course of it's life. I've got a feeling that study ignored some of the "externalities" that you take a stab at here.....
you did not show nothing of the car, this is not a review
The cost of refining is definately an aspect of fossil fuels that I had not been considering..Thanks for pointing this out and bringing it to all our attentions. Maybe as more and more electricity is consumed as opposed to oil, the oil refining will become even less cost efficient and therefore so expensive anyway, the whole thing will right itself....
Smashing!
Try adding in the amount of energy to transport the oil to the refinery be it by super tanker or pipe line, then the distribution of the refined product.
Also let's not forget petrol stations. They ALL run on electricity powered by coal fired power stations. If we did away with those too there'd be even more electricity available for electric cars.
Nice comments about oil refineries and fossil fuel cars.
Really enjoyed that part at the end as lots people seem to forget about Oil refinery. Another argument against fossil fuel cars compared to electric cars powered by coal power plants is that the pollution is concentrated in one place outside of big cities rather than inside them. With Paris having to stop half the petrol cars from entering a few months ago because of the pollution in the city hitting dangerously high levels this is already a concern.
Another (although probably tiny in the grand scheme) thing that people forget is that the refined fuel uses fuel to get to the petrol station.
And then there is the fuel cost of exaction, but this also applies to coal.
Also I'm uncertain about this but is the amount of CO2 released from a Coal powered power station to power a electric car for 100 miles actually more than the amount of CO2 a petrol car produces to go 100 miles? Seems to me with economies of scale that the coal power plant would want to be as efficient as possible.
I want to buy Nissan Leaf...does anybody know why they stopped putting chademo chargers on the recent models??? Is there coming out a new leaf soon?
And is there no possibility to charge a Leaf on 3 phases? Thx for your answers!!
Is the 1.6kW/h battery just there as a power booster, or for stop/start traffic ?
It's the other way round, the engine is there as backup to the main drive electric motor. The engine supplies additional drive to the transaxle and the way the transmission operates, the act of giving and controlling the torque output of that drive also charges the battery. The second electric motor acts as the generator and in doing so modulates the planetary gearset to act as a CVT.
loved the musings on electricity used by refineries. will share from that point on (not particularly interested in the lexus, I'm afraid)
Robert, exploring and drilling and extracting oil also take a lot of electricity. Extraction of oil is the second largest consumer of electricity in CA, for example. Now with heavy crudes, it also takes a lot of natural gas and water - each of which takes electricity to get. Tar sands bitumen is worse, yet.
The "long tailpipe" argument is moot.
A couple of years ago, I saw a graphic from Nissan that had a total of 7.5kWh / gallon of gasoline. And I have seen estimate of up to 13kWh / gallon from tar sands bitumen. Even to pump that sludge through a pipeline, it has to be diluted (hence the moniker 'dilbit') and it takes a lot of pressure to force it through the pipe, even then.
Building and operating the machinery to drill and extract oil from deep water wells (remember the difficult to make drilling 'mud'?) is non-trivial. And there are loads of chemicals and energy used to get natural gas, that are used in the refining process. Then more transport, and more pumping to and from storage tanks, then into the tank at the filling station, and even some to pump the gasoline into your tank!
Great video as usual. Just a minor comment, the photo of the chimneys you show at 5:35 is part of the cooling system of the power plant and the 'white smoke' is just steam. General public associates this picture with pollution when in fact those chimneys are not the problem.
Agree wholeheartedly. I have stood next to one of those towers and watched the torrents of water cascading down the side of the towers.
What Good news I'm still working Part Time. drving my 99 legacy.
at the 2.0 minute mark showed a picture of ES but it is an IS review
***** , could you post that second part as a separate video? Don't really care about the hybrid (almost stopped the video prematurely) but really enjoyed the second part which I'd love to forward to a lot of people.
how about a video about all the "sports cars " which are slower than the Tesla S electric car to 62mph?
oops, i hope nobody missed the very important 2nd part like i almost did. i had to come back the 2nd time to watch the bit about the fuel refining.
i thought the program ended after the lexus bit on 1st viewing and clicked off.
plz show a short intro of whats coming at the beginning.
I wish that all hybrids had a plug on them, even it only gave a few miles that still a fuel/planet saving given that against the cost of a car it would not be expensive to do I wonder why they don't?
If I had wanted a lecture...
4.5kwh per gallon of fuel! You could go 15 miles on that in the Leaf.
Better than that surely, my lead acid powered Mk2 Scirocco EV would do 10 miles on 3kwh!
80 miles on 24kwh. That makes 15 miles.
Anyone who tells you that they can get more than 80 miles out of a Leaf are phanbois.
Robin Yellow It depends on the terrain, one's driving style, the outside temperature and whether you need A/C, amongst other things. I believe Robert himself has indicated on a previous video that during his Leaf trips he can and does achieve 100 miles between charges.
Driving efficiently isn't being a fanboi. I regularly achieve 10% more than my petrol car's rated combined mpg on both short and long trips. Conversely, I can achieve much worse if I feel the desire simply by accelerating and braking more aggressively at every opportunity.
Robin Yellow The Leaf gross battery capacity might be 24, but its nett capacity that's actually usable is more like 20 or 21 kW. That also explains why the Renault Zoe has more range since it's nett battery capacity is 22 kW (they only advertise the nett capacity, while Nissan uses the gross, weirdly). So 4.5 kW would give the Leaf around 18 miles. My Zoe gets between 16 and 19 miles on that electricity to refine one gallon, so very similar.
Emile Nossin does all of that 4.5kwh get absorbed into the battery or its there some loss in the charging process? In any case up to 40 percent of the energy gets lost in transmission from the power station across the grid to your house. Any direct comparison of mileage would probably need a PhD.
Gobsmacking revelations at the end of your piece! We are so ill-informed about these not-so-little 'facts', that surely a larger, (and open), campaign about the use of filthy energy might get normal folk like us to rethink our approach to the stuff?
I really enjoyed this video, particularly the bit at the end where you talk about the energy used in refining oil. But I think you made a serious error. You said that the refineries used 5,600 gWh. An american billion is 1,000,000,000. So it would actually be 5,600,000,000,000 - which is 1000 times more than you wrote. A british billion would be 1000 times more than that. So unless you meant 5.6 gWh instead of 5,600, it might be good to make an annotation on the video, or do a followup. ;)
I wish I was better at math. (Note the use of the American vernacular there, we call it maths)
The figures from the UN stated very clearly that it was 5,600 gwh, not 5.6. That was the annual consumption of the three big refineries in the UK. If I remember correctly, the US figure was over 25,000 gWh.
But you are right, I am going to go over the figures with a friend who can do math, and understand what a billion is both in the UK and the US :-)
fullychargedshow That's great. And as several people have commented here, the segment talking about refinery energy usage seemed to be a big hit. It definitely deserves a piece on its own, *especially* since so many EV haters always bring up the "Yeah, but you charge it up with coal power" (which obviously isn't true everywhere -- where I .live we use 90% hydro).
fullychargedshow no you are allright, your british math seem to be the same as swedish math ;) 5'600 gWh is 5'600 000 000 kWh.
the 5,600,000,000,000 noumber as OccamKant got whith his american math ;) is in Watt houers, not kilo Watt houers.
no annotation on the video needed
Kalle Centergren Yes, I missed the kWh indicator at the end. My bad. I guess I was assuming that if he was going to write it out longhand he would write it out as watt hours instead of kWh.
OccamKant i had no ide that the british bilion use to be diferent to the american before (i thought you were joking)
very interesting :)
You may want to discuss the environmental cost of producing a battery, as people frequently use this as an argument against electric cars. I don't *think* it is very big.
Also, when you are evaluating the effect of refining oil, you should do it in relative figures, rather than absolute figures. For example:
"A petrol car produces 100 gC02/mile, but this is not including the refinement. If you consider the emmisions created in refining from the typical UK power source*, then its approximately 110gC02/mile."
*The combination of power sources that feed any electricity supply are governed by what they pay for, not what the closest plant is.
My estimate is that it adds 15%~ to the C02 emmited by petrol combustion.
....and, let's face it...burning fuel is not only good, it's absolutely necessary if we don't want to go back to the stone age. Oil is cheap, easy to gain and process, easy to store and highly energy dense. It's what makes the world go round. Simple fact. And yes, I drive an EREV.
In our current technological world I totally agree with you, when I sit in a massive traffic jam in my Leaf and imagine the vast amounts of fuel being burned around me to no useful end, I am more than aware that there is very little alternative. I never blame people for burning fuel, it's normal and it's what we're used to. However I am increasingly encouraged by the fact that viable, non stone-age alternatives are developing very rapidly, hence why I do this show.
fullychargedshow Yeah!! For the first time I endure traffic jams knowing I'm not burning a single drop of fuel. Feels good. Thing is, I just don't like normal cars anymore. Their engines, the shaking, the noise, fumes, gear changes and what have you...just so.....old fashioned.....yeah, and I like your show indeed.
At 2:00 you show a photo of the larger GS. That's not an IS.
It was an ES model.
Great video, however i would very much like it if you would give us metric measurements as well, these imperial numbers does not tell me anything
The point about refineries using electricity is correct but it's not really a valid point, as those refineries would still be using the same amount of electricity even if everyone on the planet drove a Tesla, the only difference would be that those refineries would be disposing of the petrol as a waste product by pouring it into the river or burning it (like they did before cars).
Nice car. Brilliant dissection of pro-petrol misinformation.
1:24 here we are again but even worse!!!
Earth day was just 8 days ago I believe and the numbers at the end of this video really brings home how much we are still need to do, understand, as well as not being told. There is still just so much money in keeping things the same, but for those of us who understand our individual power to choose and vote with our dollars (currency) and support things that make a real difference, we are helping to usher in a new day. On average now, in just less than 4 years, I see two to three Nissan Leafs whenever I am out and about. That doubled from the amount I saw just one year ago with Tesla's becoming more frequent in some neighborhoods as well. There is so much more to choose from in a short time and still me have so much to do....
Second part, to produce electricity though we’re using fossil fuel and to refine fossil fuel we use electricity. Something you didn’t mention and just simply mentioned what elon musk said which is not much relevant to the argument. The only way pure electric cars not highly dependent on fossil fuels is if the electricity is produced through a nuclear power plant. But even then, we’re still exhausting a non renewable resource from the production of batteries.
1:58 is not an IS300h
A nonhybrid Lexus, Acura, Lincoln will be significantly cheaper to buy... about 7000 pounds. An environmentalist site called Greenercars calculates the "cost" in pollution of every car sold in the US. They have discovered an EV is no cleaner than a Prius, and in some models (Tesla), the electric car is rated less clean than a VW Passat diesel!
(Mainly because of the Tesla's huge battery & energy-intensive aluminum body.)
not mackig a use full sent dud .
I think you should've skipped the Lexus and just release 2nd part as stand alone video. Fascinating, unlike the lexus review, yawn Lexi are driven by golfers and freemasons...
The rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
Dear Robert. If you say we shouldn't listen to the Koch Brothers you actually reflect a very antidemocratic attitude. I wish you'd grant others the same rights you wish to enjoy.....
Hang on a minute, let me parse that criticism.
I say (as a joke by the way) we shouldn't listen to two of the most aggressive powerful, influential and wealthy men on the planet and that's wrong because it's an antidemocratic attitude.
The Koch brothers very evidently don't give a fig for democracy, they are merely interested in using their immense wealth and influence to continue to bolster their position.
Anyone who attempts to restrain that march is belittled, denigrated, criticised and undermined by their brutal, no holds barred determination to maintain their position.
If I had said, 'they should be put up against a wall and shot' that would have been a very nasty and antidemocratic attitude, I merely suggested we don't listen to these pugnacious old white men who have the loudest voices in the energy debate in the USA.
fullychargedshow Well, thanks for your reply. It's not about their attitude. One might like it, one might not. That's not the point. Nevertheless, I do not want to spin this into a political debate, it's not the right place to do so. I prefer to watch your videos, because that's what I signed up for. Is that fine for you? Cheers.
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Your defence of the Koch Brothers is not a celebration of Democracy, but of Plutocracy. The ability of the rich to influence democratic processes, beyond the ability of other citizens, is universally considered to be a *subversion* of democracy's notions of *equal* representation.
roidroid I don't defend the K-Brothers. I say that free speech is free speech. Hindering free speech is no free speech. You cheer at shutting down an opinion you don't like is the very moment you'll get shut down yourself. In the not so distant future. Be careful what you wish for.
wtf is this? IT'S AN IS NOT AN ES BYEEEEEE
Don't you mean Tory propaganda?
0-60 in 8.3? That's not fast at all that is very slow a BMW 320d is faster and not fast in its self. I drove one of these IS300h cars at the Goodwood FoS moving motor show and getting it up to 50 mph after the chicane was a long drown out affair. The flappy pedals are fake as it never changes gear as such. It uses an E-CVT and being continuously variable there in no sudden change from one to the other. Its is also a compact car not a large car the GS is the big one.
NotHandMade of course a diesel or petrol car is faster. Hybrids are just a step closer to being an economical saving within our economy. You are truly thick to compare a car that is made to save fuel to a car that loves to burst it all into emissions that cause more pollution