Will I be buying the new Diesel Audi S4 *Owners View*
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- I am a huge Audi S4 fan and have owned the Supercharged Petrol V6 AND the Turbocharged Petrol V6. The new S4 is a Diesel, so I spent a week comparing it to my car. The big questions is...would I buy one ?!
Thanks to Audi UK for lending me the car for a week. With 342bhp and a mighty 700Nm of torque the new sportswagon from Audi is certainly fast but is that enough ?
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Currently, I’m driving a diesel. And my previous car was diesel also. Petrol technology has come along way in the past 10 years, the difference in economy is now only worth it for those doing very high annual mileage. In my opinion, obviously!
I agree 👍
I chopped in my 535d Estate (and gave the Mrs the big car) and got a Golf R Estate. If I drive it sensibly I get 40+ mpg, somewhat better than the BM. I only do about 12k in this car a year, so as you say, not really a huge difference in fuel, esp as I get better MPG in the Golf.
@@comparecars_org I chopped in my e61 535d for a Golf 7.5R. TBH the BM was a great cruiser, but the Golf is much more responsive, lighter and more nimble. And the fuel economy isn't that much different (but maybe that's my driving style).
After 10 years I went back to petrol. God it’s so much better to hear that engine! Diesel is great once you’re on the motorway and for torque but for real sound and performance my S5 sportback is amazing.
Up until last week I was driving an A4 s line tdi quattro which had a stage 1 remapped 240bhp. It was a great drive. Now I have a 23 plate 12k miles S4 tdi, and fair to say the difference is impressive. The low down torque and acceleration is astonishing and I personally love the warble from the exhaust. I also will be heading to Mevagissey in August and am looking forward to the drive, I've done it for the last seven years.
Those aren’t fog lamps, they are radar for Adaptive Cruise
that's what I thought too
Definitely! 👍🏻
Yep! 🙈
Oops 😂
They sure are. I have them on my A4 B9 😉
The engine is Not run in yet. its only done around 4K, the mpg will improve after 10K, then improve further as the miles build up
Another car without indicators!!! 70mph-nah bloody wonder ur mpg is shite- run it in and then see what miles ur getting,if you can afford a 60 grand car why worry about mpg
Exactly. So why but a diesel.
I have had the S4 TDI Avant for about a year now and I absolutely love it ! It is the first S car that i have owned so I can not compare to the previous petrol versions. I don't mind that the missing petrol scream - in fact i like the more quiet diesel tork that seems to drag asphalt up like "il tempo gigante". The fuel economy is quite ok on long rides - I can cover 1250 km in 12 hours with full loaded car and obtain about 14 km/ liter. During daily commute on country road and highway around 16.5 km / liter. I dont think that is bad for a 350 HP car.
4.8 sec to 100km/h. So new Audi S4 QUATTRO diesel is fast as a regular BMW 335d. Next thing BMW should put 50d engine in 3 series and call it M3 because probably would go under 4 sec to 100.
Really disappointing MPG figure however fuelled by the fact that modern turbocharged petrol engines these days are just so good. Great insight into the car, and whilst it looks wonderful it’s simply not for me. Nice to see you enjoying the highlights of the M27 smart motorway upgrade work, it’s painful at times 😂
Sure is painful 😡
personally I find the torque of diesels satisfying in the shove department making up for the lack of aural drama, the low mpg of your S4 D is surprising, It's Another great review Peter, loads of information with classy presentation, as always 👍
Thank you my friend 🙏
You haven't driven a new petrol turbo then? My new GTI has way more shove at low revs than my last 2 litre deisel, it totally surprised me. I always though deisel to be the king of torque, not now. Deisels have such a small rev range too, mind you the dsg box will take care of the shifting. Deisels still win hand down of economy, GTI About 40 mpg, I could get 65mpg easily out of my last 2. 0 Tdi.
The low mpg is due to the short learning curve of that car. My new s4 shows 661 miles when fully charged with diesel.
Went to London recently and on starting the return journey mpg showed 52mpg on my S4 dash, I regularly get over 40 on shorter journeys
Really sorry to be the first to give you the bad news mate !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but I do believe at 18.23 of your video, your virtual cockpit display was telling you that one of your tyres was under-inflated. 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
I knew someone would spot that 😂 I actually did a bit to camera but it didn't make the final edit. It was fine. Checked the tyre when the light came on and topped up 1 tyre with 2 PSI when I got home 👍
Why would anyone buy a diesel S4, just buy a diesel A4 for less money. The whole point of the S cars is they are something a bit different, a bit special. This is just a diesel A4 with a S badge on either end.
Harsh but true 👍
I think I'd definitely take the B9 S4 if I was choosing between the two. If you're buying new I honestly can't see why you'd take this S4 over a C43 or M340i - what where Audi thinking? Anyway, a great video regardless of the disappointing car!
Thanks Harry 👍
@@True-VFX its not faster. It's slower than the one it replaces.
What no one realises is the efficiency , making a hybrid diesel with that kind of hp and mpg is unmatched .
@@stevenjr6582 I don't think many people are denying it's an impressive car, but that doesn't make it any less pointless. If you want decent performance with better fuel economy, get the standard 3.0 TDi. What can you buy from Audi now as a sporty-yet-sensible estate car that sounds nice and doesn't cost the earth to run? You've got no choice.
@@richardhill5869 the Audi s4 lol 🤷🏻♂️
Why oh why did Audi bother fitting fake exhaust pipes?!
They look better than the SQ5 😂
Petrol Ped 🤣
Because they're not listening to their customers.... VAG will continue to lose more and more customers...
Audi definitely need to keep the jog wheel as well as touch screen
I agree 👍
So... fast but bland.. better off just getting a 3.0 TDI then and saving a load of cash?
Yep 👍
The problem is you can no longer get the 45 or 50 TDI in the U.K spec A4 anymore, so if you want the 3.0 TDI you need to get the S4.
@@RealGX why not just get b8/8.5 with 2.0/3.0 tdi or 1.8/2.0 tfsi? You'll save lots of money and it will be fast.
I just bough an A6 3.0TDI. On the drive from Kings Lynne to Swindon, I averaged 47.5 mpg. Hmm. not bad. Oh they are the radar pods, not fogs :)
Ahh i have the same, black edition and also achieve the same figures with ease unless sport is activated. King Lynne, very local!! Miss my s4 4.2 though, bloody emissions 🤪
Your mpg could be low because your tyre pressures are low 🙊🤣
Well spotted 👏 Tyres were fine I checked them when the light came on and when I got home I only need 2 PSI in one of them to reset the light 👍
Scott Wills don’t know about mpg, but the ride comfort is extremely sensitive to tyre pressures in Audi/VW group cars. Even 0.1-0.2 bar can dramatically change ride comfort, according to my experience.
88detox yeah, I was being a bit of a know it all because I spotted the TPMS light on. Tyre pressure does make a big difference in mpg - some of these “hyper-milers” max their tyres at 50psi (or more 🙈) for best range - although as you said the ride would be awful.
Had my S4 just over a year now and I get between 44-49MPG on journeys if it included motorway driving. Around the country lanes I can get around 38MPG. When I fill the take if always reads around 520miles range.
I should say I did have the gearbox tuned as the stock lag is shocking. Now it actually moves when you first press the pedal.
Referring to when you filled up and quoted the range you was getting compared to the s4 are you sure they have the same size tanks the reason I say this is because I have a diesel a4 avant and as standard they only have a 40 litre tank and that seems like that S4 has the 40 litre tank and I bet your petrol has the 50 litre tank ? Just a thought
Great, honest review with good explanation of why you reached your conclusion (as always). On fuel consumption, the engine will improve with mileage (looked to be 3.5k ish) and I noticed you had a tyre pressure warning which might not help. I have the v6 3.0l diesel in the A6 avant (272hp version) and have averaged 43mpg over 45k to date in mixed driving. I know its a lower tuned version but tis a heavier car. However it will never achieve the claimed 53mpg which some joker from Audi dreamed up 😂
I knew someone would spot that 😂 I actually did a bit to camera but it didn't make the final edit. It was fine. Checked the tyre when the light came on and topped up 1 tyre with 2 PSI when I got home 👍
I had a 3.0 l V6 diesel A5 for a couple of weeks while my TT was being fixed. It was thirstier than my petrol TT. Wasn't impressed.
Like the grey leather seats. But no "S" logo on them ?
No, mine doesn't either 😪
There actually is a explanation to the fake exhaust pipes. The head of design, Marc Lichte, met up with a Swedish motor journalist (925 Motor) and said that he was given the task to design the new S6 and S7. It was supposed to be a V6/V8 petrol so Lichte designed it to be a petrol car which explains the four exhaust pipes. However, the engineers of Audi decided that it was going to be a diesel for the European market instead of a petrol version. Lichte was already done with the design when this happened and the design of the car was in "design stop" which means that you can't change the design after that.
The car was in the hands of the engineers by then who tried having 2 real exhausts and 2 fake. However, when testing the car in winter conditions, half of it got covered in snow and the other half didn't because of the heat from the exhaust. The engineers then had the thought of having 4 real exhaust but that wasn't psychically possible since the Adblue tank was in the way for the other 2 exhaust pipes.
It was simply a communication error between the departments.
Of course this carried over to the S4.
Thanks for this. Very interesting 👍
I honestly think, the M340D kills the S4 in pretty much every way. I say that as a prior S4 owner and massive Audi Fan (though my last 2 and potentially next car will be BMW 3 Series..)
The mpg is a dissapointment for sure but how and when was it ever to compare to the TDI A4/A5's and in terms of the driving experience I would say this anyone who's got a Audi A3 diesel then this would be a nice upgrade obviously personally I'd have to buy it used but those mpg figures are pretty poor, I guess it's hard to decide if this is a legit S4 car or a souped up TDI, I think the conflict is mostly in the mind hmm I wonder how a bmw 330D compares to this? Obviously anyone who has a petrol S3 to S5 range my god you're not going to want to switch over really are you.
I sold my fast 320bhp 640d to buy an Audi s5 b9 (fully specced)...after owning various diesels over 12 year. I wouldn’t go back to diesel after having petrol
Nice video.... A remapped 3.0 TDI quattro b9 would be almost at b9 S4 diesel performance..... Certainly underwhelming
My A6 avant 3.0 biturbo is 365 bhp and produces 750Nm of torque. I am disappointed with your report because I can easily get 44mpg on a run and my wife, who is lighter footed has recently achieved a little over 48mpg. My car is 2013 with 55,000 miles on the clock. I think strongly that it is the hybrid battery charging system that is zapping your achieved mpg. I am doubly disappointed because I get all this economy and therefore cleaner emissions but I live in Bristol. I would rather move than give up this cars superb engineering quality. 😢
I don't like how the car looks, front and back are ugly to me. I know it's a personal thing :) Good review, thanks
Glad you enjoyed it 👍
I bought my 2018 S4 on the back of reading the new one would be a diesel!
Doesn't surprise me 😜
Ive bought the 2018 s4 b9 new. And i'm happy about it. The facelift diesel is a downgrade..
Just had the oil change on my 18 plate SQ5... just over £300 for an oil service, bargain
Mine is going in next week...ouch 😪
That’s Audi tax for you. 😂
This car is useless, the A4 50 TDI is all the diesel people will ever need. Performance without sound is not enough. I had an e46 with the small 2.2l I6 engine and it really wasn't quick but the sound was so exciting that I loved flooring it.
Sorry Audi but that front just looks odd, as all new Audis do and the exhaust sound is made by loudspeekers...wtf?
I bet that car is nearly perfect but in my opinion that is the problem of todays sporty cars. You wanne feel the car and its movements. If they wanne safe CO2 then make those cars lighter and the fun of driving will be back immediately.
Fake exhausts aren't they??? Shudder!
Not as bad as the SQ5 😂
@@PetrolPed ha ha that's a good point 😛
@@PetrolPed I think they're on par with the SQ5 in how terrible they are, probably worse in fact.. I mean at least the SQ5 sort of made the exhaust trim look part of the bumper, if that makes sense. On the S4 they've made them look like normal quad exhausts...madness. Audi should have gone with fake exhaust trim in the bumpers rather than actually put pipes there. On these cold days it would be funny to see one from the back. I think B9 owners will be ecstatic that their cars have shot up in value.
I would have the diesel but I’m worried that the government will end up banning it from towns and cities rather soon, I’m keeping my eye out for an older petrol version
Let's face it VAG have lost the plot.... So many people have rejected diesel as a power source.. And yet Audi have given one of the driver oriented versions a diesel engine...
Add in ever increasing options costs with ever declining reliability...
Having been an Audi owner over the last 30 years my present Audi A4 B9 Allroad (the one before the screwed up the 2019 face lift version) and will be my last...
Next car will be a Lexus...
Once again, I think you've nailed it and echoed my thoughts exactly. I'm a B9 S4 petrol owner and I love my car. I was gutted when I heard about the change to diesel and feared the worse. I'm not overly enamoured about the removal of the MMi wheel, but I *could* put up with it if the car met every other requirement of mine.
Unfortunately, this doesn't, and I highly doubt I'd be buying this and it wouldn't surprise me if the numbers for the S4 tanked. Why? Well, first you have to ask yourself the question 'why would I buy a diesel', and the answer is never about 'fun, excitement, and feeling', but always about fuel efficiency and cost. As you've excellently pointed out, it's barely any more efficient than the petrol, yet costs more to run and buy. By comparison, the standard 3.0 TDi is £10k cheaper as a base price and is more fuel efficient. You can also spec it with everything in the S4 except the sports seats and the 'sport' dial mode (which, again, I agree - I prefer our mode). So really, you're paying a lot more money for a less efficient, more expensive version of the diesel car that's only slightly faster. I don't get it.
My only hope for me is that they reverse this, rather stupid, decision in time for my new one in 12/24 months time. Although I doubt it.
Failing that I'll have to move back to Merc or hope that Jaguar produce an XF-S estate.
Thanks for the vid.
Thanks for this Richard 👍
I absolutely can't understand why Audi have made the S4 Diesel
I’m sure they have good reasons 🤔
Possibly to differentiate between the S and RS? Also, comparable premium brands like the 335d are diesel? 🤷♂️ I bet they sell more in the diesel though!
The biggest reason is a PROFIT. :) Rapid car, low consumption, tremendous torque...
But let's not forget that modern diesel cars are becoming a burden once they've past a certain mileage and you need to replace the particle filter and all that expensive filtration system such is with Euro6 norms. They're ok as long the car can be replaced within a 4-5 year cycle but afterwards with high milleage the maintenance costs are way too high and not feasible. Plus, why would you pay extra when you could simply get the normal 3.0Tdi if the fuel economy is so important? Paying 70k for this S4 doesn't really show that you're in it for the fuel economy anyways...get the 2.0Tdi and be done with that. The S4 is about emotion for petrolheads, a diesel just can't offer that, no matter what torque it makes. I think the main reason they offer S4,S6,S7 TDI in EU is because they have a CO2 quota now imposed for each manufacturer so VAG decided to cut it by selling diesels in EU so they can sell petrol on other markets where diesel wouldn't be attractive, such as USA or Asian markets where they don't wanna hear of diesel especially after the dieselgate. I don't find it as a smart move since all you hear now in EU is about banning diesel, it's all such a contradiction, they keep on selling diesel while EU says it will ban it...
It's to bring down the emissions levels across the class as a whole, the EU mandates a level cumulatively - i.e. all models added up. It's why the new S4 is available as a petrol outside the EU.
Follow ‘Audi S4 UK Owners Group’ on Facebook. We’ve been having a lot of discussions about the new diesel S4. We’re also a great platform for advice, problems, repair, maintenance, tuning, sales and parts of S4’s.
I do 👍
I have a A4 b9 3.0 TDI 272 quattro that’s been remapped to 323 bhp and 745nm torque. I do 600 miles a week and average around 52mpg each tank, that is 90% motorway miles though. Poor show from that diesel S4. Although I would have thought as it gets more miles on it it will get better mpg.
WOW 😮
I work for Audi and have driven both vehicles. The new s4 is more powerful, think everyone's forgetting the 700nm torque and more economical. Plus by going diesel it's perfect for people that want to be different and want to have power but still do a few miles and therefore leaves the new RS vehicle to be more iconic and selective, BTW its quantum grey not nardo, nardo is exclusive RS colour
3:10 Did you forget to tell us the right side exhaust pipes are fake?
I had a a6 50 tdi in Germany this summer. I think I’d rather that than the diesel s4. It covered ground at incredible pace, but without the expectation of being a S car
You’re probably right 👍
That's shocking mpg I expected mid 40-50mpg from the diesel
Thanks for some great thoughts, Peter. I think I am right in that the exhausts on the car are fake - they are on the S7. The two real exhausts are hidden on the nearside. O well, I hope the next S3 is not a diesel. Best wishes as always....👍🏼
At least they aren't as bad as the SQ5 😂
Just ordered one funnily enough, although I am going from a Discovery Sport to this so I get the feeling I won’t be disappointed with its performance:)
Perfect transition. You’ll love it 👍
@@PetrolPed anything would be better than a discovery.................no real comparision ..................................
Let’s face it .. it’s a rubbish diesel. My E220D does 55-60 mpg easily and it’s as big as a mountain.
The mpg is poor. I regularly get 40+ out of my 3.0d M Sport X3
S cars are born to be petrol ! Would never buy one as a Diesel! 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Fuel consumption - Today on my commute home from work (90 Km mixed motorway and country road) i averaged over 50mpg keeping to the speed limit of 120 on motorway and 80 on the country road. SO it is possible to get much better figures than the once presented in this video.
Err no audi s4 is meant to be a petrol not tractor diesel .If You wanted a diesel Audi estate you would buy a a4 s line and not a s4 with silly fake exhausts
Being Sensible #1 (not easy for me)
You can have a DERV S4... If you are happy for the 'S' to mean Speed and NOT Sport, the DERV and 4WD makes sense.
To crush a M'way or A and B road journey into dust you will find little better.
However it is NOT a Sports or sporty car. It can't be...
And if they ever make a DERV RS4 I will hunt them down and push blunt pencils into their eyes. TBH the RS4 isn't really a sports car either.
A sports car give you the 'fizz' it is not just about pulling G
in a lot of European countries diesel fuel is just (or a lot) cheaper than petrol. But the lack of difference between your S4 and the new one surprises me too. Great real world review. Personally I prefer a diesel of the relaxing way it revs (in combination with a auto gearbox). This S4 is one of my favo new cars.....
Agree. I have had RS4 V6 and RS6 V8 both twin twin turbos when sound and low down torque was everything. This new S4 would now have been perfect as I drive now in France and Germany ie with 800Nm of torque, superb. BUT that fuel consumption, very poor when compared to the BMW 335d (I was getting 44-45 mpg from my 635d) What is the explanation Audi? 😑
What’s the official reason Audi went diesel??
It’s will be due to emissions requirements across their range 👍
I don’t understand Audi.
Why change the S4 to a Diesel and change the SQ5 to a petrol.
Makes no sense.
Good point 🤔
The SQ5 was only petrol on initial release. The new one will be a diesel the same as the S4/S5/S6/S7.
The sq5 is now a diesel too
What were Audi thinking? I don’t understand the move to diesel, it is a vilified fuel in the UK, the MPG differences marginal, more so when you consider the increased cost of the fuel, plus you loose the wonderful exhaust note. the 62k price mark seems expensive compared to its rivals . (I did note the TPM light was on)
Slight loss of pressure in 1 tyre. All sorted when I got home 👍
No steam from left pipes on your car is the first thing I noticed. The other thing to consider with range after first refill, as with my car compared to its predecessor. The tank is smaller. As mentioned by other viewer, is that the tyre pressure warning on the dashboard? (19:03).
Andrew Gibbs steam? It’s not a kettle under the bonnet.
I knew someone would spot that 😂 I actually did a bit to camera but it didn't make the final edit. It was fine. Checked the tyre when the light came on and topped up 1 tyre with 2 PSI when I got home 👍
Jabber 1974
Yes steam! Water vapour condenses within the exhaust as it cools after driving at this time of year, which then vaporises as the car heats up again. It’s science!
I have the 2018 S5 Sportback; seriously considering jumping ship to Merc / BMW on the back of the new one being diesel. I almost feel like Audi themselves haven’t really made peace with it either, why else would feel the need to mask it with fake sound in the cabin… Failing that getting a good deal on the 2018/19 RS4 seen as the new one is being launched 2020 is another option. The diesel however… it’s a no from me.
Great review/comparison by the way, nice to see one from someone who actually owns and uses the petrol version.
Thanks Will 👍
So it’s a bit quicker and a bit more efficient and I guess more relaxed on the motorway. That will do nicely then !
Knee jerk reaction against diesel ..... Diesel is still an astonishingly efficient cycle. Nitrous oxides are produced because of the temperatures associated with the efficiency of that thermodynamics cycle.
Of course we won’t be driving diesel cars in 20 years time.... if we are driving anything at all. Let’s celebrate the marvel that was the Diesel engine.
First person who realises the benefit of making an extremely efficient engine coupled to a battery.
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I have to agree regarding the fuel economy. If I'm buying a diesel it's for the economy, otherwise I might as well have a petrol engined car. Some BMW 335D owners reported getting up to 60mpg on a long run using eco-pro mode. I'm not validating their reports but even if it's over 50mpg for a car with 309bhp, that's remarkable. ** edit. I love driving in grotty weather and if had AWD I'd love it even more LOL.
Me too 👍
Never had over 51mpg in my 335d in eco pro driving like me nana on a 240 cruise.
Great review PP. Sounds like this one is the worst or both worlds. Not (as you say) engaging like a proper S4 but not economical like a 2.0 TDI S-line.
It's neither hot or cold - just lukewarm
Not that bad bad close 😜
. . I can get 31mpg in my 2014 RS6 on a cruise up to the lake district . . panoramic roofs are a total and complete waste of money . .
Personal choice. Would always have a pano roof. Makes the cabin some much lighter 👍
interestingly on my maiden voyage from Perth to Yorkshire (280 miles)I got 51.5 MPG. Drove home from work (12 miles) and achieved 52.2!
Wow 😮
Owned Passat, 2 E90 BMW's and an R-Line Scirocco, all diesels, and never got above 42mpg in any of them. Just bought a B9 A4 TFSI so, looking forward to petrol again. Even my 1.2 Polo (petrol) got 42 mpg. Diesels are fast, but not exciting.
Yep 👍
Another excellent review Pete, the mpg as you said is not totally convincing! I'm amazed your S4 didn't come with adaptive cruise control, even my Golf SE came with that, Audi sure know how to charge, I guess their fancy showrooms have to be paid for! We recently had a two week holiday in Cornwall, first time I've been back since growing up there as a kid, I'd forgotten how stunning it is, especially when the kids are at school, lol. Cheers.
I bought an ex demo and it didn't have it 😪 Cornwall is lovely and quiet this time of year 😂
Nah the cars pay for showroom with Audi not the other way around. Not to mention they built your golf too.
Hi Pete, very good video. Seems like its competent but boring compared to yours. Dare I say a bit "Japanese"? Take care mate, a Guinness and a few scratches for the pups as usual!!
I’ll give them an extra scratch just from you 😜
Hi Peter, you could try an A6 Avant 40 TDI. Not sure 48.7mpg possible. Have Audi near you got one. At least you'd know. 60 in 8 secs. More than fast enough for me. Have got a Panda after all.
I’ll add it to my list 👍
Very nice place to be.. like all Audi's.. but a bit boring ... easy to drive and they shift along.. great vid guys xx
Thanks Leon 👍
Just 1 more thing.......is there a cardboard shortage in Cornwall, I mean, for what other reason would you take an EMPTY box all that way
Haha yeah I thought the box looked light too!!
Me too lol.
There was a telly in there honest 👍
I’m just so strong 💪
@@PetrolPed that's what made that box looked so light, after all that "limbo dancing" in the Peugeot, you've become ultra fit, lean and mean........😂😂😂😂😂
Good accurate review. I had the same car on 24 hour test and basically felt the same. A lot to like about the car, but the Diesel engine has very little character (not to mention huge turbo lag below 2k revs). The MPG is surprising as well. Not for me either.
Glad I'm on point 👍
Again an interesting video. Yesterday I drove back from Cornwall to West Sussex on the same roads. I have been doing that journey regularly for over 50 years. I currently do it in either in a 3 litre BMW 5 series diesel touring or in a Porsche 911 turbo. From your review three figures interested me. Your downward journey average speed 43M.P.H. Return average speed 51M.P.H. and overall average speed for your test 40M.P.H. 40 years ago my average speed to Cornwall in the summer in a Triumph Spitfire was 50M.P.H. This year at the same time of year for the same journey in the Porsche, 36 M.P.H. If one takes a rational rather than an emotional approach is there a role for expensive high performance cars on current roads?
Being Sensible #2 - Touch Screens
Personally I think they are a stupid trend...
1, On a bumpy road they are impossible to use
2, They get covered in finger prints
3, You make a good point (it had to happen sometime...) better for us lefties
4, If you have any neurological issues in your hands, hepatic feedback doesn't work (trust me on this)
Disappointing MPG and the given the fuel price difference? Hmmmm on that Cornwall run even in my Stinger, it would get low 30's and that's a low tech 3.3 V6 as you know.
Those exhausts are terrible and my god how much is that thing?! £60k is bordering on a good 2nd hand RS6.
With you on Mevagissey. Love, love that place. Didn't know you were getting a place there. The road there is great as is the A30 now.
Owned it for the past year but finally making it our own 👍
The new S4 being a diesel, the new M140i being a transverse mounted, primarily front wheel drive car - what's happening!?
But the M135i is a brilliant car to drive 👌
manufacturers trying to please the masses instead of staying true to their origins
I love the s4. I think they will make the next one a plug in hybrid. The a6 has a 3 litre phev v6 with same power as the s4 but at least 25 mile ev running. It’s Audi’s intentions to have 30 plug in cars by 2030 10 of which will be hybrids
Good video and comparison. Both the new and old S4 can swap between the single big rev counter and the 2 seperate rev and speed counters, its in the settings but can only be changed when the car is stationary.
Also if you want a little extra noise from your B9 S4 unplug both the exhaust valves whilst the car is turned off, it will make the valves stay open all the time, even below 3k revs.
Ive just recently changed my tyres, i stepped the size up to a 255, gives that extra little protection to your alloys and helps fill them arches a tad, they where also slightly cheaper aswell !
I'll take a look at the setting on the MMI...thanks 👍
I did the valve thing but prefer it with them connected (less boomy) the best thing to do imo is get the Carista dongle and turn the soundaktor Volume to zero percent, improves the sound %100 to a v6 howl instead of the fake gurgle. Also put the 255 tires on, looks much better.
I bet you don't have to go into "limbo dancing mode" to see the instrument binnacle in the audi ?????
LOL 😂
Honestly , in my opinion the non facelift S4 looks better than the facelift S4 ..
The non facelift S4 has better headlights and front bumper design , but on the facelift S4 I just HATE that useless stupid "gap" between the bonnet and bumper , it looks like you haven't closed the bonnet properly and the headlights look like 1 pair of socks ..
Not a fan then 😜😂
I currently have an Audi A4 SE TDi but I’m thinking of swapping it for a Peugeot 508 GT later this year. Am I mad swapping an Audi for a Peugeot? 🙈
The 508 is a mega car and for me one of the best looking cars on the road 👍
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Pete , Rowes pasties made in Falmouth , I know its further down the road but worth it! So in economy mode cuts air con use blunts acceleration changes up earlier and coasts but if like my Tiguan use adaptive cruise and it doesn't coast. So on my similar trip from Essex to Penryn I would use ACC but disengage on the down hill . Brick like twin turbo 4motion Tig giving 50 to 55 mpg , however chipping has helped as well as 296 bhp. Nevertheless I rarely see less than 50 mpg. Similar dot matrix led headlights dancing around on the road using full beam while cutting out glare great tech. However efficiency and torque, it would be nice for a bit of rorty sound . All said great review , fast estates make so much sense. Thanks for the review.
My pleasure Paul. Glad you enjoyed it 👍
Touch screen only infotainment systems are madness. Drivers are forever being threatened with the banning of Bluetooth interconnection with our phones, and the distractions they cause. Then so many manufacturers go down this route. I'll take BMW's idrive any day.
I love it, But then I drive and have driven diesel for 20 years almost. I won't have petrol at all. Just like the reliability and mpg of a diesel. My old Stilo estate 1.9jtd is a 53 plate and will do easy 50mpg on a run. Not bad for a 16 year old car is it.
Impressive 👍
I heard from some guys who work for Audi that they are trying to get the overall average of CO2 down across the entire range ... hence why the 3.0 BiTdi has made a new debut in the S4,5 & 6 ... it’s a bit crazy really ... only looking at the one gas in the emissions rather than the overall pollutants... so the B9 S4 / S5 in petrol form was very short lived ...I wonder if the petrol ones will be more sought after now ?
Yep, that what I've heard to. I hope you are right about the B9 being more sought after 😂
Hi great episode I like these sort of videos, my 2019 Bmw m140i can get 45 mpg on a long run and its not a diesel, thank god, 6 cylinders 🙂 . Love your channel great to watch 👍
Thanks Craig. Glad you enjoyed it 👍
I think moving to a diesel in the new S4 is to differentiate the "S" cars more from the "RS"s. Mid 30s mpg for such a potentially rapid car is OK in my books. The real USP of this car is the mountain of torque- which is what provides a relaxing fast drive. Overtaking without having to drop down a gear, charging up hills easily. Maybe not the aural thrills of a V6 or V8 petrol engine, but a great drive with reasonable economy. The price structure is like all premium cars these days - to get it to the spec it deserves costs an arm and a leg.. Good review
Good point. There isn't that much different between the B9 S4 and the B9 RS4 👍
I think Audi have made a big mistake on this one - I know they (and BMW et al) bet the farm on clean diesel but as they put everything on black the ball landed on a green spoke. They are clearly trying to get something back from the massive development costs of these engines but I just don't think it is going to work. I am really surprised by the poor mpg too.
After some thousand miles it will show 600+ miles
Don't use kick down,use the paddles.............
Don't do it Peter, don't go to the dark side. Never trust a car with a fake exhaust .
LOL 😂
The exhausts aren’t even real in the new s4
Does not deserve the "S" badge as its the wrong fuel.Also why are Audi still making these 40k+ diesel buses knowing full well most cities in the UK will be banning them in the next 5-10 years.
Why? Its got as much power as the outgoing car.
I've a strong feeling this car was made due emission regulations. They probably had to make a sacrifice in their line up. So yea this is what a you get, a car made by accountants.
Yep 👍
Thankfully a Diesel pump nozzle won't fit a petrol car :) But annoyingly the other way around obviously - surprised there aren't just different shapes for each petrol type.
Isn’t the exhaust on one side basically blanked off on the new diesel? Plus the pipes exit earlier, no?
Yep 😥
If you live in london what's the point on a diesel as you have to pay a £12 charge each day to drive in certain areas and that is soon to be expanded to other areas.
That is certainly worrying for city driving 😳
I worked at goonhilly earth station for 2 months a few years ago beautiful part of out country
But diesel power (especially Audi) is so comfortable to drive, no high revs, but pure power, so who cares about efficiency?
With diesel being 5p per litre more expensive...me 😜
Certainly don’t buy one if you live in Bristol......or any other city in the not too distant future!
Yep 😮
maybe if the tyre pressures were ok you might get 40mpg+ as noticed the dash showing tyre pressure light on.
Had one tyre drop a couple of PSI. Sorted once it got home 👍
I was toying with an S4 after your older videos but in the end went for a BMW 335d Touring Shadow Edition...
I came from a Leon Cupra 300 and like you was expecting much better economy... I have had remapped 220bhp diesel Octavia VRS’s before and they got 45-50mpg from a tank of mixed driving...
The Leon used to get 350-360miles to a tank at £65 for super unleaded and around 34mpg mixed driving to work but down squirty country lanes...
The S4 I assumed would be low 20’s over that driving so I went for the BMW... Now it is a BEAutiful car... I’ve always preferred BMW anyway tbh... But at 309bhp its no different to the Leon really, but as a diesel I was expecting high 40’s mpg average...
it’s only got 4000miles on the clock atm but it’s getting 39-41mpg Max... and that’s driving conservatively as I’ve been trying to gauge it in the first few tanks...
I’ve not opened the taps on it at all (not like I can on the 330d’s at work where even they feel quick so I assume mine will be much better if I really didn’t care about fuel or tyres)...
The eco mode seemed to add maybe 5-6miles range over a tank but now seems to be sitting at 0.5... Not sure how that works or if that’s working correctly tbh... I’d expect more... Maybe it’s the 6 cylinder engine and it’s a bigger car than the Leon and Xdrive so maybe I’m expecting too much...
The S4 you’re in has an extra 40odd bhp and you’re getting the same mileage... Seems strange to me!... Good video... I wish the M340i Touring was out at the price point my 335d was... Maybe in a few years 👍🏼
Petrol Peds drives to Cornwall are a bit like Top gears old races across Europe with car versus public transport lol
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Hi Pete fair play for your assessment I can completely see where you are coming from wanting the S car to have a more characterful edge,prior to my V90 CC I had a 272 sport A4 Allroad and previously a BiTDi A6 Allroad...now that,with air suspension and 320ps was the best of all worlds!!
That BiTDi was a mega bit of kit 👌
My 340i can manage 45+mpg on long runs in eco mode. For a diesel to be beneficial I'd want at least 10mpg more than that. I cant see where audi are going with diesels in the S range of cars. I'd stick with the V6 petrol in your 'old' s4. Styling is better as well like you say subtle black trim