Travel Guitar Made From Closet Doors & Pallet Wood
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Prototyping in real time! The goal is to make a small, yet playable, sustainable yet affordable acoustic travel guitar. Here's the first pass.
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Hey Tim - Great Call on the Tragically Hip tunes. RIP Gord.
such a unique talent
I love this! It would be sick as like an octave mandolin, tenor guitar or other smaller sized acoustic instruments!
I agree
5:23 .. I've made a few travel cigar box guitars with removable necks using threaded steel inserts. Works like a charm!
6:16 ... Ha! I do the same!
Really fun. With the almost full size neck it seems quite playable.
my last attempts were 20" scales and just too small to make chords. at 23.5" my big hands can make chords but any smaller it gets tough.
Cool car and Cool Guitar I can't wait to see what you come up with next
You ever thought about doing something with Kevin from Krappy Guitars? He's into building instruments with just whatever wood he can get his hands one. I think you guys could do an interesting project together.
Love that piano key! Awesome build!!
You could even do like an octave mandolin on that size body. I totally hear ya about trying to compete with the big guys. I have a Yamaha Guitalele which is roughly the same size (bigger body but shorter scale) it was only $99 new. What I really like about that one is that it is a really short scale, but they tuned up a fourth to A. So it's like a capo on the 5th fret. That's what I take camping, as it's cheaper than anything I could make, but surprisingly fun to play.
It doesn't have the full sound of a dreadnaught acoustic, but still sounds pretty dang good and plenty loud. As a prototype, I think you hit it pretty nicely. Do I need to learn to play guitar now? 🤔 Thanks for sharing!
Looks very interesting! Great prototype!
Thanks!
I like nearly every thing about it, the twangy, fun, little sounds and I love it :) (a piezo pickup might be cool to get some volume out of it)
also all of your guitars are so fluid and smooth I feel a slight logo redesign in in need
yea, I never thought of that. the sharp angles on the arrow don't really fit my designs.
LOVE IT!!! Kudos to you Tim. Stay the course on your quest!!!
Brilliant!
I would definitely buy one of these! There are not many good simple travel guitars. I’m lazy so would prefer locking tuners, and they help with tuning stability, but I know that would add to the cost.
That is really cool Tim. How about a mini banjo?
Volvo, Latin for “I roll” - sweet ride , dawg .
Yeah love those old Volvos, my dream car is a P1800S
Over the years I've had countless 240 wagons, but I also had a 1970 164S, a 1971 1800e and a unicorn 1973 1800es. While the 240 wagon is the best, most practical vehicle ever made, the ES was my dream car as I could roll in to gigs with my double bass back there, the neck almost touching the shifter. I sold it when I needed a truck and have been Volvo-less since. This is my first 122 (they always got away in the past) and the rust-free body was just too good to pass up. It runs like a champ but I am hoping to do a full electric conversion some day...
Hey Tim! I really liked this project, great video. I hope you figure out great way to manufacture these in a cost effective manner, I'd love to own a guitar you've built.
I've been watching your stuff for over 5 years now, and I've loved watching your channel (and yourself!) grow! I remember back when you never used anything CNC. I'm glad that's changed but even more glad your commitment to recycling and environmental consciousness has never wavered.
I remember back in the day my favorite video was the 'Junkulele' you made with CD's. Absolutely fantastic.
Thanks for being such a fantastic content creator, I hope to still be seeing you build guitars five years from now, with hopefully more than five times the subscribers!
Wow, you are a longtime watcher! The junkulele didnt last too long, no surprises, but yes the cnc tech has totally helped me push my reclaimed mission and work to a higher level. Cheers
I love it! I would love to see a mini bass version of this
Awesome little guitar!!! and goes very well with the car :D
I actually built a fiddle (well, three so far) with roughly the same body style! So this works for lots of stuff. Is it refined? Authentic? Nah. Fun to build, fun to play!
Change from Tim's version: the neck and neck block are a single part, the bass bar and... foot block? are then attached to the head block. This fixes the length of the instrument. Then the sides are attached and just bend themselves to shape (more or less). Then add the purvling? sand flush, glue on top and bottom.
They are nice asymmetric, some are really (a bit) oddly shaped.
I'd love to see them
WHOA! Your brain always challenges me, man. I love this little Lutar? I hope you sell a bunch of these. Hope you and your family are doing well.
Thanks man. Gotta beat the snot outta this one for a while to make sure they're worth selling.
Nice guitar, amazing Volvo Amazon!
Awesome little instrument you made there! But I got to say, I loved the music in the background even more. I love it when I hear The Tragically Hip in a place where I don't expect it!
LOL good ear. My buddies and I went to Montreal when we were 18 (in 1991) to drink legally in bars and I bought "Road Apples" from a cassette kiosk at a truck stop for the drive home. Great band I was in to for years and forgot about until recently.
I'd imagine with nylon strings this would sound an awful lot like a lute, to my ear it already sorta does, a bit pluckier than a full acoustic. Super cool design!
Thanks for the video. This is amazingly similar to a design I'd sketched a few months ago, including the lute like shape. My plan is to use old cedar fenceboards for the body. I also had a couple of unconventional ideas about the truss rod and bracing that I wanted to share.
Instead of bracing the top, what if you extend the neck all the way through so the strings are on a single continuous piece of hardwood, (with some offset for the top to resonate). Then the top doesn't need to be structural at all, it could just be coupled to the strings by the bridge. I think that's how lutes work, the neck and back are super solid and then they have a really light top that's just a soundboard with no bracing.
To keep the neck from bending over time, what if you just used some additional strings on the back of the neck to counter the tension? I actually think it would be interesting to have them be drone strings like a hardanger fiddle, but that might be tricky.
A lot of cool ideas here! I think the neck that extends inside the instrument all the way to the end block would work great in some kind of arch top instrument (although that would require more work than making a flat top). The concept exists in many old instruments like the many ancient spike-fiddles and gourd-banjos. The "coordinator rods" in banjos are kind of the modern equivalent to this technology (old timey banjos only have a sort of wooden stick to prevent the rim from deforming, the modern ones have one or two of this metallic bars with an adjustable turnbuckle)
The idea of using extra sympathetic strings in the back of the neck has also been used in the past for the "Baryton" in the 18th century. That one is a bowed string instrument, but the location of the aditional strings allows for plucking them with your thumb like a harp as you bow the main strings (I suspect that would be more difficult to pull off with a plucked string instrument, but you could still get that sitar-like sympathetic resonance)
thanks for your knowledge, Trusko!! Josh, cigar box guitars, banjos, etc., are made with the "neck through" design and I thought about it but really wanted to try and make a "mini acoustic" and not a glorified CBG. The shape is logical to me as it naturally occurs when you bend something and affix it to the neck. Perhaps why lutes look like they do? A while back I made this CBG. Maybe the top string could be modified to provide counter tension, recessed slightly in to the neck but playable... th-cam.com/video/CagZY3R42V8/w-d-xo.html
@@timsway yeah I was thinking of the neck as having this kindof shape: -------.____.- so the top and back wouldn't be structural. My original idea was it would be one piece, but I wonder if you could put a hinge where it meets the body and then have the tension of the strings keep it in place. That would be another reason to use a string on the back instead of a truss rod since it would be easier to fold up.
One other feature to make it more compact would be to put the tuning machines at the other end, that would only work and arch top style construction.
That leads to the rabbit hole of steel guitars. I think I'm going to change my design a bit and go that direction, since the goal was something ultra-portable that was still acoustic. I've seen a couple of cigar box style guitars that use the bottoms of aluminum cans as resonators.
Anyway, I'm excited to see where you go with this idea. I feel like a cheap, easy to build, ok sounding travel guitar would be pretty popular.
Sick car!
Nice!!!
I just think the body should be bigger so it has more deep sound. But the body remembers the shape of a lute what is just awesome, i love this shape.
I might make a tiny bit bigger and deeper. to see if I can get a little more volume from it
Lovely! Kinda looks like an oud.
It looks nice! Defining the shape of the body by the natural curve of the side wall material is a great idea - it looks pretty (reminds me of mandolins and the like!) and is very easy for you to do.
I remember watching a collab video with Rob Scallon and Brendan Acker about the history of the guitar, and one of them had a neck where the angle was adjustable with a screw - might affect the sound but might be cheaper than a truss rod? I don't know how that works but it'd serve a similar role to the truss rod, I think.
the neck angle screw is a cool feature I've seen, but it doesn't really help fight bowing in the middle of the neck, just "cheats" it to be more playable if that happens. So far this is holding up fine. I think if I laminate a dense wood cross-grain center to the neck that would help, too.
Nice lil guitar, but WHOA did the wind get picked up loud in the demo!
I was NOT in a controlled environment! lol
@@timsway No biggie! The few gusts of wind just startled me. :D
I love the design, but i would prefer traditional ancorpoints for the strings, for easier access
Love it 💃🎶💃🎶🇦🇺
It sounds a bit like a mandolin, which makes sense with the body and bracing. I wonder what something higher like Nashville tuning would sound like on it.
I'd be afraid to turn these steel strings much higher on this unsupported neck, but I do plan on more experiments with scales, strings, tunings ...
I had a '66 the same color!
unfortunately this one was painted some time in the 80s, probably, so you can see the original color in the door jamb is a little different (and better) but very similar, which was probably the color you had. Once you get the carbs, points and timing just right it's a very reliable car, until you need to get the carb and timing right again. lol
Could you try making a uke out of some hallowcore doors? With hand tools? I've got a small door that I think would just fit it, but I've got no idea where to start!
Check out this old video of mine. th-cam.com/video/KgdTJSuTPWk/w-d-xo.html
@@timsway youre the man Tim!
mate make your necks wit laminated wood it makes it more rigid if you don't put truss rods in
Hey Tim, love the guitar! I'm an aspiring bassist and luthier, and I've been watching your videos for inspiration on my first build for a while now. I'm building a short scale solid body bass in shop class right now, and after this one, I'd like to build a small hollow body ukulele bass with steel strings and electromagnetic amplification instead of the piezo I have on my Oscar Schmidt. I was wondering if there was more shoring up of the body for that kind of build or if I could just do the same bracing shown here. Also, what kind of car is that?
You'll probably want to do a better job bracing it. I have a video about a 6 string bass uke. Check that out. The car is a 63 volvo 122s.
@@timsway LOVE that Volvo. Beautiful lines. :)
Did you play The Muse?!
I love it! Since this video is 2 years old have you found that the neck holds up to steel strings?
yea, the neck has held fine. My buddy has this one. There are plenty of steel string guitars made without truss rods over the years, and the shorter the scale the less necessary they are. But would I still prefer to have one? of course! lol.
@@timsway oh I know that many guitars have been made without truss rods. They tended to have thicker necks than players prefer now. I have 2 that have no truss rod.
I love the curves on it. Reminds me of an oud kind of. Have you ever considered building an oud?
yes I have :)
@@timsway Let us know if you ever do. I'm only just learning Oud... Got an electric one from Sala Music.
As always, quality stuff indeed! I especially love the simple body -- there's something appealingly folksy about it. I'm worried about the neck, but like you say, a truss rod is going to add a ton of cost and time... maybe a T-shaped or even hollow (much stronger than one might think) truss rod, possibly of carbon fiber, could be a good solution with the shorter scale length?
so far, so good. Cross grain wood layer in the middle maybe, too. It's not the only guitar without a truss rod...
Not exactly a simple build for your average garage wood working tools. But you put it together good. Good thing neck is ash. Do they use that on regular pallets? I'd think not.
Heavy things ship on heavy pallets. Pine and hemlock behind the supermarket, oak and ash behind the steelyard. I have some videos about DIY and "basic tool" guitar building including a kit I sell that comes with additional hand-tool content. With this build I'm trying to utilize the tech to prototype and make a lower pricepoint product, not necessarily to teach how to do it.
Did you find the difference in reveal between the E and e strings to be bothersome at all while playing, and could you adjust that just by moving the bridge? Or would it require adjusting the neck's horizontal angle (i.e. shifting the neck to the left when looking toward the headstock from the butt of the instrument)?
No. They're pretty straight. The last two frets extend beyond the proper fingerboard distance on this, which makes it look a little off. I've corrected this issue in the digital files already and make the end a little cleaner
I mean, nylon are superior for some genres of music, but I guess with the whole theme of just taking it places and playing steel makes more sense, and it is louder.
I like the crisper, edgier sound of metal strings most of the time, but nylon are nice for longevity and smaller, lighter instruments
What about an electro-acoustic, with a built-in (9 volt) amplifier with volume and simple rotary tone, where the soundhole is the speaker?
There are things like that. I haven't found my "angle" on it yet :)
@@timsway I think the unique lute shape is cool, and a lot easier/less expensive to produce, but it seemed to lack low end in the demo (likely because of the smaller body), so I wonder if a small amplifier would help boost the overall volume, and enhance the low end. Another thing to consider, though it may make the instrument a bit more expensive, yet even more unique, would be to use a "body inside a body", similar to a banjo, to help the instrument project it's sound directionally. (Build a backless body, then build a frontless body that fits over it, then the "soundhole" with be around the perimeter of the instrument, and the top would act like the banjo head.
Sweeeet!
this is sick. ive been looking for a cheap travel guitar for a while. are you planning on selling these?
Eventually. So far this one is holding up ok.
Wanna hear it with nylon strings.
They can't steal your truck with a guitar chained to the steering wheel.
Forgive me if you've already done this before but hollowcore door drums and then a tiny guitar. . . . Hollowcore door banjo-uke?
You've seen the other guitars and double bass, right?
@@timsway hell yes, I repaired a double bass I found in the street, in 2020, your videos were such a great help, they gave me the confidence to attempt it in the first place and It turned out great. Thank you.
Nice little guitar,live car too,what is it? couldn't tell.
1963 volvo 122s
There's no resonance or body in that. You might improve on thst with a 2 course setup, suchas a twelve string, but i gather that size body is best for soome sort of mandolin.
no truss rod 🙆🏿
nope! so far it's holding good.
@@timsway washburn rover travel guitar has truss rod. martin backpacker got none.
Oh I'd definitely have to take a look if there was a mini bass version, perfect for quickly working out ideas without having to plug into an amp, as well as the portability
the tear drop shape is seriously so nice, I would 100 percent buy a production model of one of these.
thanks!
I like that shape better than the Martin canoe paddle.
This is a more classic canoe paddle shape :)
Love the Volvo Amazon!! And the guitar is sweet too!
I think it would sound cool w/ Thomastik KF110 Flatwounds
Nice job, Tim! If you need a beta tester (who would purchase a prototype) let’s talk!
Something I've been wanting to see forever is an actual 6 course travel lute, and this is so close to that. Have you ever thought about doing a lute version of this?
You could look into the Spanish Lute! Way less fragile and more compact than a renaissance lute (Although I'm not sure if they will accept nylon / gut strings without modifying or replacing the tailpiece)
Trusko, you're hired as my resident expert in the comments section! Evan, longterm goal is to have this available in a few configurations and scale lengths: mini bass, uke, maybe mando and lute? I plan to design the body to work with all these different necks (hence to floating bridge for scale adjustments) so potentially I could make a stack of bodies and even run custom one-off necks for them if needed...
@@timsway This would also be a great way to reuse necks off broken guitars. One would still have to figure out a way to attach the neck. So you could sell the bodies without the holes drilled through for that, and the wannabe builder would have to do that bit of engineering.
You could easily make it electric by adding one of your dumpster diver pickups. Just have to come up a way to add a volume nob and jack. I did a search for after market pickups for acoustic guitar that had a little arm that had the volume and it took a headphone jack to 1/4 jack for the amp
It's me again. Honestly I hope that the future of the acoustic guitar goes in a direction like yours--straightforward and uncomplicated. The bolt-on neck is super neat and the lute shape is really all you need. If anything, I would make it a bit bigger to try and get some more bass out of it, but not to the point where it won't fit those mini bags I guess.
Have you ever tried a V-shaped bracing pattern? Taylor Guitars makes this a big selling point and I can vouch for the volume improvement personally. Taylors can get LOUD. I played a 414 today that drowned out the amp it was plugged into. If volume is a concern with your mini guitars and they wind up needing to be braced, maybe it's worth a shot?
I honestly don't think I even need bracing at this size. I may make the butt of it a little wider, but I really am aiming for size portability more than tonal quality. It's not designed for the gig or recording studio, but the beach or plane. I am however, taking it to a studio very soon. stay tuned!
It's natural, given its size, that it's missing low frequencies. You can compensate for this a bit by 1. making the top thinner, lighter/less bracing, using a top wood with a better stiffness/weight ratio (a Spruce, Basswood, Sugar Pine, Eastern White Pine), and 2. making the sound hole smaller (lowers the Helmholtz frequency, which is the lowest of the natural resonances of an acoustic guitar).
Right. The door skins are thick. I want to keep using those but I'll probably not need the bracing. Smaller sound hole is a good idea too.
Martin backpacker. But, it would probably benefit from ladder bracing rather than x bracing since the surface area of the sound board is so small. I’m also imagining how funny a hollow core door tournavoz would be
That's a really good idea. I hadn't even thought about those. I was thinking it might not need bracing at all honestly. the door skins are kinda thick to begin with for guitar tops at .125" thick and the unsupported surface is so small...
Nice!!!! Can I have one? Pretty please with sugar on top? Just kidding..but seriously one of the nicest travel guitars I've seen!
It's beautiful!
Btw if you're curious but less adventurous and you want a small instrument - I can recommend these small children guitars. The cheap wooden ones in toy aisles, I haven't played on plastic yet. Under 30 bucks in my area.
You should, if possible, check if the fret's widths sound okay. You might have to work on bridge and saddle with a file. And you should use medium to soft strings.
But it's worth the effort. I bought two of them (and destroyed both by using heavy gauge strings, stupid me). They sound nice, I can play notes and accords fast and intuitive without too much trouble with my thick fingers.
They're about half the mensure length of a regular guitar.
Incredible Tim!!! I will take your idea and build me one. I don’t have the CNC but it doesn’t matter. A short scale is just right for me! Love from NW Colorado. Thanxz
Nice! Seeing a couple ideas that I plan for my next build. Great to see them being shaped in video. Also liking the classic Volvo 122. I have a '59 544 in Dad's barn, waiting for the day I can get it back on the road.
Nice concept, and execution. I take an acoustic wherever I go and this would be perfect. Sounds a bit bright for my taste, but can't beat how compact it is. Sounds plenty loud, too.
The build looked easy enough that I'm tempted to try and fix up, or fabricate my own design, out of the parts of an ovation style steel string which literally fell apart after years of abuse being carried through bushes, house parties, etc. Always hated the round back, anyway.
Great video. Very cool design. Sounds great too. Travel guitar is always good to have. Mahalo for sharing! 😊🐒
The tear drop travel guitar is a great success!! How cool is that!!!!!
Nice Volvo. The guitar is cool to. Maybe the rubber uke bass strings for a bass version?
yes!
As usual you amaze me I have a small travel guitar that sounds exactly like that.. I paid $100.00 for mine and keep it by my couch.
Put a pickup on it and play some Dio or Sabbath or Ozzy or Crüe riffs.
Thanks, love knowing how to approach this process!! Love the shape, would love to be a bigger one!!
Do a through-neck version for added structural integrity.
Please do a travel bass like this next! Also would love to see new ways to make bolt on necks for the bass if the body is thin
what do I think?
I think I want the bass version.
it's coming :)
Awesome. Between the car and the guitar, killing it.
I bought a guitalele over the summer for $60, and it sounds great and is pretty. It does not satisfy the way that making a cigar box guitar does. I love to see doors go somewhere besides land fills! Kudos.
It reverbs like a mandolin.
I really like it. Mandolins would work, too, though that's a lot of string tension on a neck
Reminds me a lot of an Irish bouzouki
Very cool, I'm interested in how it develops !
It projects pretty louder than I thought it would.
good looking travel acoustic guitar there, nice
Looked like a lute body in the thumbnail but now all i can see is a guitar shaped like an egg and i love it.
Why not headless? Even more compact
That would be uggers
Objectively
I talk about that in the vid
Отличная гитара, и звук такой вполне себе для двери от туалета!🤭
Excelente!! !! Gran trabajo!
That sounds AMAZING!
You are not getting me to buy an old Volvo, Tim...yet.
That is one beautiful prototype Tim! I love the ideas you mentioned for future iterations of this body shape, I'll be looking forward to them!
Great little guitar! Thx Tim
My favorite part was seeing that beautiful 124 Volvo!
Guitar sounds alright for a travel version. Curious what the nylon strings would sound like. Looked quick to make and that piano key was a nice touch.
We're getting there. I put nylon strings on the traditional shaped mini guitars I made in earlier vids. They're not bad!
Hey man, great idea! Looks cool
I love the lute style shape of the body
You the fucking man Tim
Mini acoustic bass! Yes please
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