Why Did LiAngelo Ball Fail?
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Why Did LiAngelo Ball Fail?
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That UCLA trip to china had to be a canon event for Liangelo which left him on a downward trajectory.
Nah, he was already the black sheep. Lavar used to say “I think Gelo is the best player of the three.” He knew he had to sell him because he was trash and had no chance to make the league.
@@guccimane3731that doesn’t matter, if he never stole in china and continued to play at ucla he would probably would have got drafted
@@sinfulways1492To be honest, this is BS. He was a three a star recruit at UCLA and wasn’t even going to start. He wasn’t going to get drafted after just one year. That is extreme hindsight wishing.
I agree if not for the hype and the media circus around him yea he was a kid who got a full ride. The sad part is yea I could see him having a midseason at best and still get drafted to make millions because of the hype. I say that because we have seen this happen many many times over with many athletes. @@sdot5389
I never looked at him as a dominate player and the recruit list does not mean much but yes after even a average year I think he would have been drafted. I would like to ask what you think of Bronny will he be drafted you think and if so how would it be any different>? @@sdot5389
At least he’s not Steph Curry with a 40” Vertical
No that's the Mormon at my YMCA
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I think Steph's vert is lower then 40", it might be around 36-38", btw in the NBA..they will most likely have vert not lower then 35"..i'm just sayin👍🏼👍🏼
@@puiafanai3471 clearly you’ve never seen Mike’s video on Lonzo Ball 💀
It was actually 90" at one point
Liangelo screwed himself. He definitely needed college to further his development and hopefully
instill a better work ethic. On top of that his father screwed him over even more.
Nah, he simply doesn't have the talent.
How he screwed his self over that's it he was a multimillion nar at 16 and stealing some 1,000 dollar glasses 😅
@@ControllerLegend Yup that was the nail in the coffin
@@amjantrue he doesn’t. But there’s a few nba players who don’t have talent like PJ Tucker and Patrick Beverly. But guys like that work hard, which keeps them in a nba roster. Gelo could’ve been a decent 3 and D type of role player.
Much like Lonzo the bad choices for Gelo came from LaVar. Dude should stayed at UCLA but pops needed him to rep the BBB. Should got surgery instead of playing in the JBA... pops needed him y'all know the story.
Comparison to Seth Curry is silly. Yeah, Seth played in the G but he averaged 20+ ppg. Seth was also a 1st team All -ACC in college, so people knew he had talent. Only 'talent' Liangelo ever showed was against high school players.
Facts. Curry was a baller at Duke to end his college career. Gelo was going to be the 9th guy off UCLA bench
People in media need to just stop making comparisons at this point lol
And I kept hearing idiots online saying he’s the most versatile in the family. Like guy, if he’s equally bad at everything that doesn’t make him good nor versatile
@@kevinmccabe3984 I keep hearing you idiots spewing this rudrick out your mouths.
To be fair, he was hooping against Lithuanian teams. Some of those teams even played in the Euroleague if I’m not mistaken. That’s very high level
The biggest issue with Gelo is he plays like a stretch 4, but with the height of a guard. Both his brothers has agility, quickness, and creative court vision that allows them to thrive at the point. Melo is the best player out of them but if healthy, Lonzo is possibly the most valuable type player to have for any team looking to contend.
...yet they allow Highsmith and Tucker thrive at stretch 4, and same height 🤔
I’m taking healthy Zo over melo he’s a 2 way player & better play maker to I think he’s also more efficient to.
melo is way better, but yeah lonzo will know how to fill in a role perfectly - his +/- would be very high
If you know ball. Yk Zo is the better bro
No hes not, melo has the most talent forsure and already better than him @@soleynate
He wasn’t an NBA talent it’s that simple. Just because a player is hyped up and famous doesn’t mean the expectations connected with him are warranted.
I think the jail time did him in the hype alone was enough for a nba team to scoop him a trash one atleast lol ticket sales
@@98slime86"ticket sales" since when has a player been signed for ticket sales? I hear the ordinary fan say this everytime for LiAngelo. Teams don't sign players for ticket sales, it just doesn't happen.
@@1roundleft821 he was a decent talent wasnt just about sales he just was never a star he made it to the g league is it too far fetched to say he could’ve went undrafted if things went right
@@1roundleft821 You are right I mean sometimes like Harden in Houston or Ja Morant in Memphis some guys get paid to fill seats and or merch but this fairy tale that anyone made money off Gelo as a basketball player is just silly
@1roundleft821 this is satire right? Your comment is truly funny
Lonzo was gonna be fine because he was the guy in high school and his one year in UCLA. But lavar definitely messed up Liangelos career, if they had ate the suspension and spent the next 4 years in UCLA system (covid eligibility) I don't see how he's not a rotation player by now, he's obviously had glimpses he's just needed real guidance. Melo was honestly just lucky he was young enough to go back to a good high school program
Rushed to pro ball after the UCLA fiasco. He should have spent 3-4 years in university learning and mastering the NCAA game
Didn’t he he get banned from the ncaa after the prison thing?
@@acanofwhoopass4599 No, not at all. Other guys who got arrested in China came back and played at UCLA.
@@acanofwhoopass4599prison? He got caught shoplifting on a school trip to China. They didn’t press charges but the university was looking to push, yet before they could, Lavar pulled him out of college on some, “you cant break up with me because im breaking up with you!” nonsense. Had that not happened, Gelo would have gotten his shot at the league.
Lavar tried too hard to make em different.
@@InfiniteCoreXD Put too high of expectations on them
I always thought he should have played football. With his basketball skills he would be a beast at tight end
Same thing I was thinking. His build is more suited for football. Antonio Gates, Tony Gonzales, Jimmy Graham etc. I don't think it's too late for him.
@@17thNOWith The Rocks UFL around the corner why not
That’s actually a really good take. Haven’t heard that one before
@@brianmarch4219I’ve actually been saying this I know a few people that agree with this but he lacks athleticism he’s so stiff like Lavar
@@ernaisewing8092 facts he doesn’t move fluidly like a basketball player
Gelo did not fail. Any expectation of him being more than a G league level player was delusional hype or at best hope. His pops had him play hurt in the JBA so he was not 100% when NBA draft time came but dude isn't NBA level so for me I respect his grind he gave a great effort and like pretty much everyone else on the planet he isn't good enough to get paid to play basketball
Hes was a great high school player and if he didn’t get in that trouble would’ve been a decent college player. But unfortunately he just isn’t good enough
He should have gone to a mid major for 3-4 yrs and scored 2k points…he would have had a resume and a well polished college game
@@MatthewFitzgerald4 Gelo was recruited by one school. UCLA. Nobody on the college level felt he had NBA talent
@Chickenpesto2468 bro it's a 3% of d1 players making nba like its not the end of the world, nobody is meant to make the nba, it's improbable, there's so many players like gelo that are younger, better than him
Lavar didn’t ruin any of them. Other than their feet/knees with those shoes. Liangelo never had the same drive that you see in Melo and Zo, he has all the skill, but not the drive. Everything changed that winter of ‘17 when Gelo got in trouble in China and Trump had to get involved to get him back home. But Melo also had a very crazy journey to the league but still has the drive and was ROY.
The real issue was LaVar letting his ego get him run off from the Chino Hills basketball program. Dude got his pannies twisted took Melo out with 2 years of high school left and Gelo was needed to rep the BBB so the list of things LaVar mucked up is not as short as y'all wanna believe it to be
Yea that whole thing was crazy but it has nun to do with that fr or trump it’s mostly bc they didn’t wanna sit that suspension and tried to make different paths should’ve just stayed in school
It’s just a natural talent thing. You look at brothers in the nba there’s always one that’s significantly better than the other. The only exception to that can think of are Pau and Marc Gasol they both were pretty good
Even then they had a third brother who hasn't made it.
marcus and markieff morris, amen and ausar thompson. twins are an exception to this rule.
@@mriidulbhatia the Morris twins are a weird case because I feel like in the beginning Markieff showed he was the better one and Marcus ended up being the better one for some years
@@mriidulbhatia Amen and Ausar haven't played long enough for us to know who'll be the better player yet.
@@_Rez_EZ yeah but so far from college stats they seem pretty similar, not to mention they went 4 and 5 in the draft which i think was the first time this has happened.
His father was being realistic with his sons and can't be mad at him he didn't jinx him
He seemed silly back then, but he was always right
@@pallekanin91 LaVar always right...lol
Realistic wouldn't be the word i use. He was saying Lonzo is the best player on the NBA on his rookie year. Not that he would become the best (unrealistic to a degree but good to hype your sons up) that he already was
@OK-yy6qz I'm not talking about that. I was only talking about his son's having an nba career
@@pallekanin91He’s so right that all his sons are extremely injury prone. They got paid…but Lonzo and Lamelo are not going to have long nba careers
It sucks how his dad's decisions ended up setting him up for failure, but his own mistakes didn't help either. I really hope LiAngelo can make it one day
2/3 ain’t bad
It was his decision, after the ucla incident nobody was gonna want him
the china incident ruined it. his dad sending him overseas was a smart thing to do. thats what made melo develop his game as well.
no it’s all on him, simply just doesn’t have talent
@@huhm413 u want me to come in you?
I always wonder the player he would've turned out if he stayed at UCLA
A good role player
To be honest I think it was the china incident. He never really recovered from that. I feel like he was on the path to get a fair shot. It sucks
yeah thats all i think about whenever I see him. That, and self fulfilling prophecies are a thing. His dad is saying that one of them is not going to make it and that sentiment probably perpetuated through his upbringing leading to a lack of motivation. This lines up with the stereotype of the middle child, but is obviously speculation.
Liangelo benefited from playing in a system in high school and college where he could launch 20 threees a game with zero hesitation. He was never efficient and I knew it wouldn’t translate at the next level.
THAT being said, he’s still an LA high school legend and was the co star of arguably the best high school team of all time.
Undersized complementary player with no elite skillset/trait. Not insanely athletic, inability to create enough space/get his shot off and hit said shots from deep. He’s pretty slow, which makes him a bigger defensive liability. I could be wrong, but this was the scouting report for LiAngelo as an amateur
i really hope he gets into the nba one day im really rooting for this guy
He is a good player my only criticism is his shot creation was lacking but if he is not getting any minutes how can he develop when they gave him minutes he did well watch the summer league games
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He was just a spot up shooter during his reign in his high school with his brothers. He was banking shots like it was nothing which unfortunately didn't carry over after that. He wasn't an all around player unlike both his brothers. I believe this might have stemmed from early development, He was propped up to be just a shooter and that's all he was.
chino hills offense and system is what killed his development forcing him to only be a shooter whilst his brothers actually got to develop skills like passing and dribbling
Man them chino hills days when I first watch gelo play my reaction is he catch and shoot like Klay Thompson
System? What system? The system was give it to lonzo or melo and run and gun all day long. He wasn’t forced to play that way. That was just his natural game. lol.
He would have being a 1st round pick if not for the jail time bs
If he did get drafted #1 and proceeded to play like he does now, he would be one of the biggest busts ever.
you're a casual, this guy is trash, was never projected to be an nba player
The talk was if he was even gonna get drafted 😂 what are you smoking
If he didn’t go to jail, he would’ve definitely got drafted. But like ja the nba don’t mess with people who might mess up their brand. Ja just was already a star so they could only suspend him. Liangelo wasn’t that lucky.
@@drechester5171you say definitely like it was a sure thing. He was a three star recruit out of high school. There's no guarantees when you're a three star prospect.
a hot take: but when liangelo was trending and teams took a chance to develop and let him look at the game and just let him play closing minutes in like 10 or less games. he wouldve took that as motivation and improve.
but hey i guess he currently deserves it choices like staying in the g league is especially not good when u know ur game is trash. he is a streaky non consistent shooter.
i hope he could turn into a streaky shooter like a jr like 5 years from now and take a pj tucker route going international
wow no likes im sad just jking liangelo has to go mamba mode and work on the intangibles or else hes going to take ages to go to the league
I guarantee he really doesn't wanna play basketball I bet he could be a good bench player in the NBA but I feel like everybody looks at him expecting more
He was never an NBA level talent, even when he was on draft boards he was a late 2nd at best, slow feet, not an NBA level handle or passing vision he's basically just a jump shot which isn't good enough to make an NBA roster unless you're hitting 3's at all time levels.
Stealing in china and then Bailing on UCLA cost him. In his development years around top prospects/coaching staff and no Lavar to me would have set him on the path to be a very late 2nd round pick.
I think if he had been developed at UCLA it would have at worst got him a 2 way contract.
You will always be known as the guy who called the shot on ZO as the Curry with a forty inch vert
He should’ve just stayed in Europe. He was doing ok in the Lithuanian team. Then from their he could’ve played European teams and gotten better
some people only get to where they are because of their parents and often they can't live up to the expectations. it's just kind of embarrassing when it's showcased for the world to see.
Ppl keeping saying it was what happened in China that made him fail but it actually was his father taking him out of UCLA. Yeah they suspended him so what . Lavar acted like his son wasn’t supposed to face any disciplinary action from the team & get to play immediately lol Lavars ego was the sole reason Liangelo failed to reach the heights of his brothers . I feel bad for him cause the odds were already stacked against him considering the fact that he was already the least athletic, shortest, & not as quick off the dribble as his two brothers . So he really needed the extra time in college to develop his game more . But couldn’t cause his father thought he was league ready smh just laughable
lavar thought spending a few hours overnight in a Chinese holding cell was enough punishment 😂
I never seen anything on Seth. Seems like a hard working humble dude.🌹
Bc bro was a criminal
sadly
Literally he would be on an nba team now if the china situation never happened.
I really want to see gelo in the nba he will be a good rotation player can score play defence
If he didn’t steal the glasses bro would honestly have a genuine chance😂
I can’t be the only one mixing up these brothers? Ok now which one plays the Cello?
He and his father had made numerous bad decisions, resulting in a career of drama, and a shady origin.
I think he could have been far better if had made less "unique" moves.
Heres the answer. He was on a high school team with 4 nba players. Youre gonna get good looks when the other team is trying to guard 3 stars
All the Ball brothers were great at scoring, but the difference between them was that some of them had mastered different aspects of basketball. Zo is a great defender, Melo is a great passer, Gelo was never great at anything but offense. So if your only skill is offense, you gotta be super consistent and an insane offensive player.
He stole sunglasses in China and had to be pardoned that is legit the reason why he didn't make it
if i have to choose i would go with liangelo.
He has the most fighting spirit of the 3.
He even challenged his father (getting the tattoos ect)
Lonzo was too scared of Lavarr (but he first born so thats normal ,the first born always got the stricter upbringing,
The youngest one had it easy 2 big brothers ect that why he the wildest
Liangelo got a little of both
It's kinda unfair to judge his G-league play because they hardly ever played him. when he did get the right amount of minutes he played good.
Because he was taught to bang in the post but he too little to be doing that at the highest level , then he an inconsistent 3 point shooter.but I do think if he was on the court with one of his brothers he would excel tbh
That last sentence is exactly why he didn't make it
Gelo was a bucket idk if nba is in the question but if he really wants to get back, could he?
Honestly he could play football if he gets a trainer and stays healthy. He’s only 25.
Gelo was always my fav Ball brother I think he would of been a solid player I just dont think he had the heart to push for a career tho
I have a hard time call someone that has played professional basketball a fail. He had a 10 day contract with an NBA team. You know how few players can say that. He will probably end up having a good pro career. His biggest issues is he is a player that he is an undersized for the position he should be playing in the NBA. If not for his stupidity and a little bad luck with injuries. I think he might have had a chance at a 3 and D type guy coming off the bench. Now he is probably more of an over seas pro.
he never signed a 10 day contract wtf are you talking about, he got a training camp invite and a g-league contract because of his brother
@@IrvineKinneas01 He never got close to a 10 day the hype is unreal then again papa Ball never valued TRUTH too much
I feel like if help didn’t get into that incident back then he could of been drafted and probably playing rn in the nba 💯
When he stole those glasses
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you just need a good coach who would know how to him them and give them a chance just have them in the game for 10 to 14 min
Gelo in the HOF for his steals
Flaw. He DID make the nba on an active roster. He just did not play.
Second: my favorite ball bro.
he was a training camp invitee to make lamelo happy, he never made the regular season roster, do you even watch basketball
@@Johntitorthor1984he’s talking about the pistons dumby
For some reason I feel like if he dropped some weight and trained plyometrics he would’ve had a better outcome cause his play was too sluggish
Liangelo reminds me of lil dickey in that espn bit that came out when they were all coming up
alot of the jba guys have played pro outside of the u.s.; not saying they are elite or anywhere near nba, but they can play and have played on past the jba...Liangelo definitely cld be a pro NOW...but he chose to chase nba dreams instead of playing overseas
God Bless Him ❤️🙏🏼
“Work hard and you will be successful” is bullshit. You have to have luck and be in the right place at the right time. Just doing hard work might not get you there.
Long story short: stealing some stupid glasses and getting kicked from UCLA ruined his chances in the NBA
He was never good enough for the NBA.
Stealing in China killed his chances of playing in China.
He wasn’t kicked from UCLA, he withdrew because the suspended him
Because he was a 2 guard that had the game of a 1980s power forward with a mediocre high volume Trey ball
To be a bad player even in the g league. That player still better than most people. People train their balls off to barely make it to a college team that isn’t even a D1 NCAA team. Ik it’s nepotism but nonetheless. Some dads would be happy they’d have a son good enough to even make the g league. Compared to Lonzo and especially Lamelo, he’s a failure but if that was your only son, you’d be proud of him and be happy he even made the closest thing to the NBA that’s not the NBA.
He should be a Tight End
He made a dumb decision and deserves all the consequences that comes with it but I respect anyone willing to chase their dream I hope for nothing but the best and want to see his efforts rewarded. He doesn't need to make the NBA to be successful it doesn't seem likely but just becoming a solid rotation piece in a respectable league overseas would be great
Stfu... Typical white dude logic
Honestly if lavar wasn’t greedy with BBB and had them wearing unsafe shoes alone with not letting gelo finish his suspension gelo and melo would be way better
Shouldn't have stole them glasses that he could have just paid for 🤷♂️😂😂😂😂
It's simple. The Ball family genes seem to be ideal for a certain body type and playing style. Gelo whether he knew it or not went against the grain, while Melo and Lonzo took what their genes gave them. If Gelo went the slim build, crafty guard route like his brothers, he would probably be in the league too. The way he's built now, he would've been better off playing football as a tight end.
thank you. always said he was a good fit as a TE in football
china thing was irrelevant. he was not nba material just like one of the st brown brothers is not nfl material so he isn't in the national and one is just barely hanging on in the nfl. social media ball players. btw he has the body type of a TE in the nfl.
When were any of the Ball Brothers loved by the media... they got bashed everywhere they went. Liangelo stole those glasses and that was it for him, he needed his game to speak for him like the other brothers and his game is weak, so the people switched up on him narrative you're trying to play isn't flying.
Mostly fair but only thing I disagree with is that the Ball Bros were definitely loved at first and Lonzo was loved all the way until his tough first few seasons with the Lakers. People turned on Gelo and LaMelo after the HS cherry picking stuff though yeah
I have to say…around 9:30 you talked about liangelis first two g league games and how he played really well, then began to sa6 he failed because he wasn’t consistent… liangelo got like 3 minutes that third game, and never got consistent minutes after that, after having a great start… it wasn’t that he wasn’t consistent, his m8nutes weren’t consistent
His minutes weren't consistent cuz he wasn't bro. Realistically if he was playing on an actual team he'd at best be rotational so if he can't be good in limited minutes who would ever sign him to a real deal
From what I heard is that UCLA only wanted his brother and their father worked in a contract for all three of them but I could be wrong
Yes…he made it a package deal.
He played the wrong sport. Gelo should be an NFL TE.
Simple answer. Playing in the NBA is very hard. Some people no matter how hard they try or work weren’t just not meant to ever be there
Cam Thomas Vs Liangelo Ball really coming into a debate
"Boy looking like he just did five years" isn't that a compliment? Dude saying that he's jacked...
I did not think being told he looked like he spent 5 years in jail was good but tbh fair point…. There were plenty of hate comments to choose from though unfortunately
I thought Bol Bol is part of the Ball brothers.
Funniest comment I’ve ever seen
Ever since you made a video hating on James Harden he has been ballin. You need to apologise.
Gelo simply is not good enough. No other way to spin it . NBA is an exclusive club of the 300 best players in the world. Hes just not on that level and thats okay.
He played an NBA game against the Boston Celtics.
I can def back up a gelo comeback 🔥
Dude should have played football. 6'5 220lbs
Sounfs like a TE,LB or DE to me
shoplifting when your filthy rich is about the dumbest thing i have ever seen someone do.
i made into a mike korzemba video 😮💨
He should have gone to a mid major for 3-4 years and scored 2k points.
Lavar knows who want it and who don’t Gelo motor ain’t like his brothers I assume
Maybe if Melo can take his game to next level he can be the Thenasis for the Hornets.
Only travesty here is that he didnt spend time in jail. Thsts the only thing that he earned
I don't think it matters now he seems happy with the new baby and lady in his life
Gelo should’ve manned up at ucla and sat through the suspension, then played for 3 years…I guarantee he would be in the league today
Remember when everyone thought the Ball Brothers were phenoms? 2 out the league already. One to go
He reminds me of (David Roddy) Memphis Grizzlies. Liangelo needs to work on his agility and timing. Handles also a need some work, overall if he wants to be better. I don’t know the name of this work out but when they go from side to side dunking off on one or two feet. He needs that learn how to control his athleticism he has the strength to move defenders but his speed and his jumping needs to increase so he could rise above defenders. Someone please teach him how to play make and Defend a little better. His jump shot is good just need consistency. He needs to learn shooting drills from some nba player trainers. Send him to Memphis we’ll make him better he needs to be around people who’s not gone baby him and also make him want to be there in the right way. I understand that’s his Dad but when are you going to start thinking for yourself ? I’m pretty sure Lamelo help pull strings for the contract or scouts to look at his brother. Nothing is wrong with that but go full throttle be that dog on the court.
Not that he was nba bound but every game he had with the G-League his teammates would be icing him out of the offensive outta jealousy.
Not like he had a dog mentality to demand the ball…. & just like Gelo, they were playing for spots as well so it’s not their job to make him look good
Liangelo should start a TH-cam channel & do irls
Thanasis or Gelo. Who do you think is better?
thanasis obviously, at least he has nba size and athleticism to be a cheerleader
Two things that really didn’t help LiAngelo and I think are the reason he didn’t make it were, I hate to say it, he’s not as athletic or as intelligent as his brothers.
It sounds mean, but guys as “thick” or frumpy as he is don’t make the league unless they have an extremely high IQ. Guys like Lowry, Dort, Smart. They use their body weight to be defensive menaces. Gelo never had the smarts to do that, his dad only ever cared about his sons scoring and playing offense (Lonzo was never a great defender till he got to the nba, remember). If he had the hustle and the intelligence to become more of a defender first, he could’ve been a Lou Dort type in the league. Otherwise he’s just not tall, skinny, mobile, or athletic enough to be a low % shooter in a league where shooters are a dime a dozen.
You look at his brothers and they have everything he doesn’t. Height (especially for their position), high basketball IQ, length, playmaking ability, versatility, and athleticism. Gelo has not even one of those things. He’s short, frumpy, and pretty bad at the one thing he does bring to the table. Plus, it’s hard to say, but I just have a feeling neither of his brothers would’ve been stupid enough to steal from a store in china when you’re that high profile. They both know what being a celeb athlete means, more or less. Gelo was always kind of the knucklehead with the small brain, unfortunately. He could barely get out a coherent thought in their tv show.
I like the ball brothers in general, I don’t think I’ve ever posted a comment about Gelo, but if we’re being real here, this is why he hasn’t done anything. He’s not smart enough or athletic enough. And he’s not talented enough to counter how unintelligent he is, a la a lance stephenson or Gilbert arenas or someone. He’s not even a g league level talent, let alone an nba level one.
LaMelo Ball was the only player to become a star in the NBA.
Lonzo and LiAngelo remained Role players.