As a South Korean, I‘m sad to admit that the misogyny depicted in “Vegetarian” is still prevalent in Korean society. And the fact that some people and organizations condemn this book because “it‘s too feminist” infuriates me! A lot of men still have this messed up view on women and their roles, saying that women should stay home and take care of kids and whatever. It‘s getting better with the younger generation but it‘s an undeniable reality that women are subjected to subtle misogyny everyday to this day. I guess it’s rooted in the culture and beliefs we had since the old days like the Chosun Dynasty. I understand the cultural difference you and I have, and I hope that this info/context could help you digest “Vegetarian” a little better. Appreciate you work here!
Did anybody else think that the husband is not a reliable narrator when it comes to how others are reacting to or perceiving his wife? That maybe when he says people were shocked by her not eating meat or that everybody noticed she didn’t have a bra on that was him projecting his own feelings onto them? That he is so self centered and awful he thinks everybody thinks the same awful things he does? I felt like this was the case at least with her mother. He thinks her mother is upset about her not eating meat, but she’s actually scared for her daughter’s mental health. Very curious what others thought, I really enjoyed most of this book, especially as depiction of an abuse victim
The misogyny and violence in the Vegetarian didn't really strike me as ridiculous because it is unfortunately a reality for a great deal of Korean women. The conversation that took place at the table also didn't feel too out of the realm of possibility. This is another review thats inspired me to finish a book I've dropped off with!
So im Iranian, and when you said "oh its kinda silly their reaction to her being a vegetarian" my first response was actually, "what? No way, thats so realistic though!" hahah I live in denmark, and I think its way less shocking to not eat meat here, but in Iran, and I think in a lot of asia in general? you get a lot of confusion!^-^ Like, "what? You CANT not eat meat, right??" hahaha I loved this video, and your videos in general! cheers!
i keep telling myself that i’m gonna watch for background noise while i read but i end up watching these videos with my full attention 😭 your videos are so good im actually gonna eat this up
I've only recently discovered your channel and I just want to say I'm in love with how you present the readings and your reflections. I love how you're giving genuine criticisms that aren't just "so this book sucks". I am loving the analytical lens you're reading these books and it really inspires me to start reading a larger variety of books, instead of just the genres I'm partial to. You give a lot of life to these videos and I think it's really cool that you can use this format as a tool to help you move through your own school work by sharing with us. It gives me thoughts about how I could apply that to my own work and for that I thank you. I am eager for your videos and can't wait to see more from you. Hope the rest of your semester goes well!
Loooove it. I was having a long spell of reading mid books before I found your channel. Since, I have been devoting your recs. I am loving My Annihilation right now
Out of these books, I only read All's Well and I also found the characterisation to be the best part. Witnessing such raw human emotions and thought patterns was really captivating and made it feel real. I also had my qualms w this book but I definitely want to read more from Mona Awad now!!
I'm reading Rouge at the moment (Bunny is also one of my favourite books) and if you want weird, have no idea what's happening, and just insane characterisation I highly recommend it. I'm not even halfway through but I'm so hooked and I love it
Been loving your videos recently and flocked here as soon as I finished reading the vegetarian as I needed someone else’s perspective on this fast paced dream of a book. Really enjoyed reading everyone else’s opinions in the comments too! Was surprised you didn’t mention the parallels that are constantly drawn between yeong hye and babies or children.
Thanks so much for pushing through all the technical difficulties to getting this video out to us lol I really wish I had a faster reading speed or a better attention span because anytime you talk about a book, whether you liked it or not, I also want to read it. Loved hearing you talk about fucked up women for an hour
I think there's an Interesting cultural element to the misogyny and anti vegetarian stuff in the vegetarian. Have you read Kim ji young born 1982? It's good some good context about life in south Korea
I thought we had less misogyny than we do in the US but the more people i talk to the less i believe it. We just pretend about it, and women have jobs. I'm not saying it's the same or one is/isn't better. The second shift alone shows it's still here
All’s well was one of my favourite reads this year. As someone who has experienced a back injury and chronic conditions I loved how she was able to portray the complexities of someone experiencing pain and being gaslit by everyone (even the ones who are supposed to help you). As well as feeling of exhaustion and irritation of thinking and feeling and talking about your pain all the time. Hearing and seeing the people around you being so bored of the same story. Ugh.
Omg thank you about a certain hunger !! It was so tedious and boring I got so mad about the main character and her talking about how a prince’s advisor once drank a nice wine wtf and the I couldn’t with writing style, but it’s so overhyped and I used to see it everywhere
I remember reading Out in college and not liking it, for similar reasons to what you described. IIRC I only read it on recommendation from my Japanese professor, who knew that I had enjoyed All She Was Worth by Miyuki Miyabe. That one's more about missing persons/identity theft, the main character is the detective investigating the case, but I thought it was pretty good, and it's an interesting look into Japan in the 90s.
I just want to say that I stumbled upon your channel few days ago and I fell in love with you instantly. I immediately subscribed and tbh, you could talk to me about the telephone book and I'd be like: absolutely brilliant speech.
the vegetarian is one of my favorite books but i must admit i was struggling a bit to understand it and the way i got it was bc my sister already ready and i kept asking her about it lmaoo
@@frankiesshelf tbh it struck a bit weird to me how Masako developed Stockholm syndrome so suddenly... And then her whole story was about agency and in the end she didn't really get it? She was playing into someone else's story for the majority of the book. The ending could use a bit more clarity. Like, ok, she's leaving behind her family, her messy entanglement and her temporary nemesis. But who is she really without any of that? I still have no idea!
I love listening to your insights about these stories, and this is a theme/subject that is fascinating to me and I usually enjoy reading (because it’s SO disturbing). Just curious; have you ever read Nightbitch by Rachel Yoder? I feel like it fits this grouping of books, and I liked the characterization a lot, and the intimate perspective of the narrative, as the reader is being spoken to by the main character. Thank you for the video! It was great!
I keep hearing that Maeve Fly by CJ Leede is a well written horror book about a very deranged woman. I haven't read it myself, but there's a suggestion.
Have you read Closer by Dennis Cooper??? I got really into books about deranged men after reading the shards (thank you for that recommendation btw, changed my life) and closer was so insane that shit had me shocked the whole way through my god
THANK YOU. i felt like i was going crazy everyone else seemed to love a certain hunger but i fully agree it is not well written at all. if i had not been stuck in airports for over 12 hours i would not have finished it
As someone with chronic illness/pain. I personally found it very validating of my experience but there are definitely parts that could be triggering ie. dismissal and disbelieving of symptoms
same! as someone with fibromyalgia, the summary piqued my interest, but i’m nervous that the dismissal of her symptoms will make me unhealthily angry, and jealous about the fact she gets magically cured lol
@ YES I was feeling so jealous and sad just listening to the recap in full bc I know that will never happen for me 😭 btw have you found anything that helps you mitigate your muscle pain with fibro? We’re kinda still trying to figure out what the heck is going on with me but fibro is what I keep being told (as well as RA)
@ yeah I was very jealous of Miranda. I feel that a lot of people would hate her for her actions but I actually felt a lot of empathy for her and her predicament. As for pain, no smoking gun unfortunately. For me the biggest difference for my pain was the devils lettuce lol. Also cbd cream to rub on muscles etc. wishing you all the best, I hope you find something that does ease your pain and are surrounded by people who give it the weight it deserves...unlike Miranda!
i’m soo curious what you’ll think of ”sorry to disrupt the peace” by patty yumi cottrell, another deranged woman story. it’s what i’m reading right now. really tragic/ funny. ty for the great content
i recently read Women, Eating by Claire Kohda and i cannot stop thinking about it. i recommend and would love to hear what you think about it. it’s short! (if that sweetens the deal) and about a female vampire but not in a cringe way dw
I remember reading Out when I was fifteen and being floored by how raw the writing felt. The entire time, you feel the existential hopelessness of the women as they navigate a patriarchal society that fails to value them as human beings. They choose to express care for a dead, abusive gambler and not his wife who murdered him as an act of retaliation. There's hardly a moment in the story where you don't see the women struggling, reckoning with circumstances that are greatly out of their control, and every step they take is one towards an ambiguous conclusion for each of them. A lot of Kirino's novels (as far as I'm concerned, as I can't read English and had to rely on the translated novels lmao) deal with similar themes: particularly the narratives of women who live in societies that would prefer them to be quiet. Truthfully, I'd go nuts if I had to live like that.
AN HOUR. I'm locking in
As a South Korean, I‘m sad to admit that the misogyny depicted in “Vegetarian” is still prevalent in Korean society. And the fact that some people and organizations condemn this book because “it‘s too feminist” infuriates me!
A lot of men still have this messed up view on women and their roles, saying that women should stay home and take care of kids and whatever. It‘s getting better with the younger generation but it‘s an undeniable reality that women are subjected to subtle misogyny everyday to this day. I guess it’s rooted in the culture and beliefs we had since the old days like the Chosun Dynasty.
I understand the cultural difference you and I have, and I hope that this info/context could help you digest “Vegetarian” a little better. Appreciate you work here!
I knew I’ve been summoned
Did anybody else think that the husband is not a reliable narrator when it comes to how others are reacting to or perceiving his wife? That maybe when he says people were shocked by her not eating meat or that everybody noticed she didn’t have a bra on that was him projecting his own feelings onto them? That he is so self centered and awful he thinks everybody thinks the same awful things he does? I felt like this was the case at least with her mother. He thinks her mother is upset about her not eating meat, but she’s actually scared for her daughter’s mental health. Very curious what others thought, I really enjoyed most of this book, especially as depiction of an abuse victim
The misogyny and violence in the Vegetarian didn't really strike me as ridiculous because it is unfortunately a reality for a great deal of Korean women. The conversation that took place at the table also didn't feel too out of the realm of possibility.
This is another review thats inspired me to finish a book I've dropped off with!
So im Iranian, and when you said "oh its kinda silly their reaction to her being a vegetarian" my first response was actually, "what? No way, thats so realistic though!" hahah
I live in denmark, and I think its way less shocking to not eat meat here, but in Iran, and I think in a lot of asia in general? you get a lot of confusion!^-^ Like, "what? You CANT not eat meat, right??" hahaha
I loved this video, and your videos in general! cheers!
i keep telling myself that i’m gonna watch for background noise while i read but i end up watching these videos with my full attention 😭 your videos are so good im actually gonna eat this up
stop this is so nice
perfect timing 🙏🙏 i just started eating breakfast
I've only recently discovered your channel and I just want to say I'm in love with how you present the readings and your reflections. I love how you're giving genuine criticisms that aren't just "so this book sucks". I am loving the analytical lens you're reading these books and it really inspires me to start reading a larger variety of books, instead of just the genres I'm partial to. You give a lot of life to these videos and I think it's really cool that you can use this format as a tool to help you move through your own school work by sharing with us. It gives me thoughts about how I could apply that to my own work and for that I thank you. I am eager for your videos and can't wait to see more from you. Hope the rest of your semester goes well!
Loooove it. I was having a long spell of reading mid books before I found your channel. Since, I have been devoting your recs. I am loving My Annihilation right now
love to hear it!! my annihilation was such an absolutely wild ride lol
Out of these books, I only read All's Well and I also found the characterisation to be the best part. Witnessing such raw human emotions and thought patterns was really captivating and made it feel real. I also had my qualms w this book but I definitely want to read more from Mona Awad now!!
I'm reading Rouge at the moment (Bunny is also one of my favourite books) and if you want weird, have no idea what's happening, and just insane characterisation I highly recommend it. I'm not even halfway through but I'm so hooked and I love it
@@nicoledorman8484 I enjoy these sort of books yes! I will put both Bunny and Rouge on my TBRs thank you for the recs
Been loving your videos recently and flocked here as soon as I finished reading the vegetarian as I needed someone else’s perspective on this fast paced dream of a book. Really enjoyed reading everyone else’s opinions in the comments too! Was surprised you didn’t mention the parallels that are constantly drawn between yeong hye and babies or children.
This made my day. I think books about deranged woman is my favourite type of book. Love some good female rage
oooh the vegetarian is such a complex book!! I'm so excited to hear your thoughts on it!
i will always love the casual thumbnail pose during the video
9:59 a flip switches fr
i cursed myself about that while editing lol
was just watching ur videos this morning getting ready for work and sat at my desk to this notification!!! and one hour long best day ever
I was 7 seconds in and was like ok is this my new fave booktuber?!
Thanks so much for pushing through all the technical difficulties to getting this video out to us lol I really wish I had a faster reading speed or a better attention span because anytime you talk about a book, whether you liked it or not, I also want to read it. Loved hearing you talk about fucked up women for an hour
I really love your channel and your wit. So glad you’re monetized for your talent! You make me want to go back to school 😊
I think there's an Interesting cultural element to the misogyny and anti vegetarian stuff in the vegetarian. Have you read Kim ji young born 1982? It's good some good context about life in south Korea
I thought we had less misogyny than we do in the US but the more people i talk to the less i believe it. We just pretend about it, and women have jobs. I'm not saying it's the same or one is/isn't better. The second shift alone shows it's still here
All’s well was one of my favourite reads this year. As someone who has experienced a back injury and chronic conditions I loved how she was able to portray the complexities of someone experiencing pain and being gaslit by everyone (even the ones who are supposed to help you). As well as feeling of exhaustion and irritation of thinking and feeling and talking about your pain all the time.
Hearing and seeing the people around you being so bored of the same story. Ugh.
I'd love to see you read 'Woman, Eating.' I think it doesn't get the attention it deserves.
Aaaaaaa I’ve been waiting for this. I ate this video up!! Keep up the good work I’ll wait for your next video ❤️🫶🏽
I was so thrilled to see how long this video was!!!
I just know this is gonna be so good
oh it’s gonna be a good day today
Over an hour of my niche fav genre Oh let’s fuckin GOOOO
Saw this just as I’m about to start working - locked in immediately.
Omg thank you about a certain hunger !! It was so tedious and boring I got so mad about the main character and her talking about how a prince’s advisor once drank a nice wine wtf and the I couldn’t with writing style, but it’s so overhyped and I used to see it everywhere
okay I’m so glad you also felt gross about the ending of Out too!
I remember reading Out in college and not liking it, for similar reasons to what you described. IIRC I only read it on recommendation from my Japanese professor, who knew that I had enjoyed All She Was Worth by Miyuki Miyabe. That one's more about missing persons/identity theft, the main character is the detective investigating the case, but I thought it was pretty good, and it's an interesting look into Japan in the 90s.
I just found out about your channel and I love it!!!!
I just want to say that I stumbled upon your channel few days ago and I fell in love with you instantly. I immediately subscribed and tbh, you could talk to me about the telephone book and I'd be like: absolutely brilliant speech.
one of my favorite tropes(?)
all my favourite books are about women losing it
@@frankiesshelf Same!
my favourite genre of books!! thank you for some recommendations!
Seems like the right choice for this moment.
the vegetarian is one of my favorite books but i must admit i was struggling a bit to understand it and the way i got it was bc my sister already ready and i kept asking her about it lmaoo
OMG finally my fave book Out mentioned somewhere. Thank you!
i need to know what you think about the ending!!
@@frankiesshelf tbh it struck a bit weird to me how Masako developed Stockholm syndrome so suddenly...
And then her whole story was about agency and in the end she didn't really get it? She was playing into someone else's story for the majority of the book. The ending could use a bit more clarity. Like, ok, she's leaving behind her family, her messy entanglement and her temporary nemesis. But who is she really without any of that? I still have no idea!
I love listening to your insights about these stories, and this is a theme/subject that is fascinating to me and I usually enjoy reading (because it’s SO disturbing). Just curious; have you ever read Nightbitch by Rachel Yoder? I feel like it fits this grouping of books, and I liked the characterization a lot, and the intimate perspective of the narrative, as the reader is being spoken to by the main character. Thank you for the video! It was great!
10/10 way to start my morning 👏 thank you
I'd actually just poop myself with joy if you did a chapter reading of some of these 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
hey frankie, wondering if you’d share how you annotate and or organize quotes/ notable chunks of info that stick out to you from books?
Currently reading A Touch of Jen bc of you and loving it!
I keep hearing that Maeve Fly by CJ Leede is a well written horror book about a very deranged woman. I haven't read it myself, but there's a suggestion.
Have you read Closer by Dennis Cooper??? I got really into books about deranged men after reading the shards (thank you for that recommendation btw, changed my life) and closer was so insane that shit had me shocked the whole way through my god
THANK YOU. i felt like i was going crazy everyone else seemed to love a certain hunger but i fully agree it is not well written at all. if i had not been stuck in airports for over 12 hours i would not have finished it
trapped in an airport AND reading a certain hunger?? babe you were in purgatory
I love your content. ❤
Omg i love these
I want to read Alls well so bad but as someone with horrible chronic pain it will either be triggering or incredibly cathartic lol
As someone with chronic illness/pain. I personally found it very validating of my experience but there are definitely parts that could be triggering ie. dismissal and disbelieving of symptoms
same! as someone with fibromyalgia, the summary piqued my interest, but i’m nervous that the dismissal of her symptoms will make me unhealthily angry, and jealous about the fact she gets magically cured lol
@ YES I was feeling so jealous and sad just listening to the recap in full bc I know that will never happen for me 😭 btw have you found anything that helps you mitigate your muscle pain with fibro? We’re kinda still trying to figure out what the heck is going on with me but fibro is what I keep being told (as well as RA)
@ yeah I was very jealous of Miranda. I feel that a lot of people would hate her for her actions but I actually felt a lot of empathy for her and her predicament.
As for pain, no smoking gun unfortunately. For me the biggest difference for my pain was the devils lettuce lol. Also cbd cream to rub on muscles etc. wishing you all the best, I hope you find something that does ease your pain and are surrounded by people who give it the weight it deserves...unlike Miranda!
I wasn't at all grossed out about it.😂😂😂I'm laughing on a train. 😂
i loooove watching ur videos at work 😌
absolutely love to think of someone getting paid with me on in the background
@@frankiesshelf I am also watching this while at work 😅😂
An hour? I'm in
the certain hunger cover lowkey reminded me of one of the vampire armand cover....... might rlly be bcs im reading the vampire chronicles rn
Bro i love u
i really like the sound of your voice, with that microphone its like popcorn hahaha
I lost it when you said the book was so overdue that it was marked as 'lost.'😂
About vegetarian, they have a live action of it. Korean movie. Kind of
i saw out by natsuo kirino on the thumbnail and immediately liked
i feel like a sham for putting the more recognizable cover in the thumbnail and not the edition i read lol
@ it’s okay the covers on the thumbnail attract more 👍🏾
i’m soo curious what you’ll think of ”sorry to disrupt the peace” by patty yumi cottrell, another deranged woman story. it’s what i’m reading right now. really tragic/ funny. ty for the great content
i recently read Women, Eating by Claire Kohda and i cannot stop thinking about it. i recommend and would love to hear what you think about it. it’s short! (if that sweetens the deal) and about a female vampire but not in a cringe way dw
Excellent video!
The UK cover of A Certain Hunger is honestly so horrible compared to your version it makes me angry
question!! what microphone do you use :0
it’s a blue spark!!
Love the video concept! I really think you would enjoy Fowl Eulogies by Lucie Rico. Has an interesting plot and lots of madness 🙃
My kind of genre
love to see it
duck livers are really good.
Ok but like you can tell me which ones have the cannibalism twist I won’t tell anyone I swear
I’m curious too lol
I never understood the hype around Mona Awad. I read Rouge and I’m just like why is Tom Cruise in here 😂
I remember reading Out when I was fifteen and being floored by how raw the writing felt. The entire time, you feel the existential hopelessness of the women as they navigate a patriarchal society that fails to value them as human beings. They choose to express care for a dead, abusive gambler and not his wife who murdered him as an act of retaliation. There's hardly a moment in the story where you don't see the women struggling, reckoning with circumstances that are greatly out of their control, and every step they take is one towards an ambiguous conclusion for each of them. A lot of Kirino's novels (as far as I'm concerned, as I can't read English and had to rely on the translated novels lmao) deal with similar themes: particularly the narratives of women who live in societies that would prefer them to be quiet. Truthfully, I'd go nuts if I had to live like that.
🎉love you bad🎉
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