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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ส.ค. 2016
- Join us for a first of its kind scholarly panel hosted by Br Malaz Majanni addressing issues of Unity, In our first gathering with Sheikh Abu Bakr Zoud, Sheikh Ahmed Abdo, Sheikh Shady Alsuleiman, Sheikh Omar Elbanna & Sheikh Aref Chaker.
Discussed Topics
00:00:50 - Definition of Unity
00:06:40 - Dealing with differences of Opinion
00:12:50 - The Asha’ari and Salafi Debate
00:17:00 - Are Muslims in Australia United?
00:21:00 - What is the role of Imams in Unity?
00:24:43 - Refutation Online
00:26:35 - The concept of Takfeer
00:32:20 - Are Imams out of Touch?
00:35:00 - Is there a problem with leadership?
00:43:00 - Is unity a Priority?
00:47:40 - Sufism in Islam
00:49:40 - Practical steps to achieve Unity
00:58:30 - Final thoughts
If our scholars did this more often it is very good for our ummah. They also have responsibility as they are our role models in sha Allah. We are one ummah the ummah of prophet Muhammad ibn Abdullah (ﷺ) and we are under the banner of la ilaha ila Allah. Alhamdulilah Rabul 3lameen. Quran and Sunnah nothing else in sha Allah.
One path network may Allah reward you with these peaceful gatherings and unity. Hopefully you can bring this way of thought to the UK for us too.
Very beautiful and intellectual gathering.
Unfortunately many scholars are just men who want power and this is what drives them rather than truth
Who says they don’t because it’s not publicized on TH-cam?
Many scholars are part of deviant sects who promote Shirk and Kufr. Thats why the only sect that will not be held accountable for innovation are the people of Tawheed, Sunnah, Athar(Narration), Hadith and followers of the Salaf.@@nadjiguemarful
@@nadjiguemarful Bro you just slandered the scholars! Are you a hypocrite? You don't know anything about the scholars and their refutation. the SUPER SUFIS ARE AHLUL BID'AH! We don't sit with them talk with or eat with them. We only go to them to ADVISE! And if they spread their deviant and false beliefs we refute them. (we=scholars).
Wallahi you are stupid. I can't imagine such muslims exists GO AN search a hadith about that scholars are the succesors of the prophets!
Yes theres a hadith about now go and do your research. If you don't listen to scholars then remain in jahilliyah!
OW, but when it comes to science and school the teacher and the scientist is always right and we learn from them. But Islam? Oh no Islam is just subjective. These are the words of a jahil like you!
Indeed those that slander the scholars of Islam are hypocrites and are not from Ahlul Sunnah Wal Ja'mah. Tell me what power do the scholars get?? Do they say worship me? Nay, thats what the sufis instruct! They worship graves and you are here slandeirng scholars. Please just shut up and do research.
Most advice is given privately. Thats the Sunnah.
It's not necessary to advice in public.
This stage comes only when the person is preaching deviance and does not stop.
Then the advisor has the obligation to make the people aware of this deviance.
Most naseeha is given privately.
Excellent debate in Australia. UK and USA needs this kind of debate, so as to teach and warn, to caution and remind, men less qualified to keep their ears wide open and their tongues less active in things beyond their minds. Respect to the crisp, and clear questions of the interviewer/host.
This is a very good video, we need more of this. Much love to the Sheikhs, especially sheikh Ahmad Abdo. May Allah exalt them in their knowledge and actions.
What a great discussion ,no one is interfering/ barging into in one another's conversation..... Mashallah. May Allah bless U All...
Masha'Allah ! This was interesting but title was very misleading. Being balanced is very hard especially when you're extreme and don't know it. If you were made to be the Khalifa with all these different sects & ideologies you would have to have so much patience and tolerance like Rasulullah salallahu alayhi wasallam like he had from the beginning. The ummah is plagued with so many issues that it would take decades if not centuries to fix. A panel like this is good to establish some bridges in hoping that it will increase the strength and honor of the ummah.
May Allah swt bless these brothers for their efforts
I left Australia over 25 years ago. I doubt that then a conversation like this could have happened. Watching this two things stand out for me: these men are Australian and Islam in Australia seems to have come of age. I've enjoyed this video.
"Mutual respect". Ameen!
Follow the sunnah with the understanding of the salaf and do not innovate.
Period
Yeah no to wahhabi.
@@josephadam339 bell end
@Joseph Adam stop being quburis
And worshipping the graves
With the literal significance? The beginning of the human stupidity.
Baarak Allaahu Feekum
Just to inject a little more humour into it, it would have been very interesting to see our brother Muhammad Hoblos doing his thing here lol
But seriously, I have nothing but respect for the way everyone conducted themselves on this panel.
May Allaah unite us in our Aqeedah and Manhaj
الحمد لله حاضر وجزاكم الله خيرا
One thing I noticed about the brothers in Australia, they are better at communication than other western countries
Mashallah sheikh abu bakr zoud May Allah protect u and ur family and grant u jinnatul firdius. Loved the way u addressed the topics
May Allah bless them all, protect them and their families and grant them all jinnatul firdius, Ameen
@@alhaqiquhOfficialmay Allah guide them and me to the straight path, not on the path of denying Allah’s attributes
salafisms focus is the self, sufis focus is the inner. Salafism inner spiritual focus is tarbiya. Sufis esoteric inner focus is dhikr. They both aim for a purified soul. Both follow methodologyies, the polymath ibn taymiyyah wrote a defence of tassawuf (sufism) and is buried in a sufi ceremony.
Loads of people lie about Shaykh Ibn taymiyyah,
Provide your proof if your truthful.
And that's why you want to be "partially Sufi and partially Salafi" to be balanced.
@@ahlulhadithonline1176 Lie? Do you even learn about Ibn Taymiyyah. Have you read his students books, Ibn Kathir had an excellent detail of his teachers life. For you to disagree about what was said means youre not learned. Best you stick to basics
Why would Sufi’s bury their only defence of tassawuf underneath and not share the knowledge with evidence??
Ibn Taymiyyah had a lot of innovations done with his body when he died that he couldn't control.
I’ve never agreed with Sufi/Sufism because there are lots of Bida’at going on in them. I saw a lecture this man (sorry I refuse to call him Imam) were saying in order to go to Jannah you’ll have to accept one of those Awliya or there’s no way you will go to Jannah. Therefore I left Sufism and accepted Salafi. I believe my imam is/only Mohammed RasulAllah S.W.A
Use full form. Or just use ﷺ
No one asked
What is the name of the "scholar" who said that?
No one actually said that, those are extremist sufis 😂 bruh
salafism is false
This comment section is exactly what theyre talking about. My God, its like everything they said fell on deaf ears
Know what to criticize
When to criticize it
How to criticize it
Then and only then can we become a united, strong Muslim community. And May Allah make us a united, strong Muslim community
United upon the Quran and sunnah, not on grave worship
@@ozone2126 By that, are you saying all sufis are grave worshippers. As a sufi myself, I strongly agree on grave worship being shirk. My sheikh had this understanding, his sheikh had this understanding, and all our chain of shuyukh and student going all the way back to the prophet are united on this stance. What does it mean when you keep referring to us as grave worshipers? Is it not slander?
Allahu Akbar, i don't know who i love more, they all look the same from the same background.
may Allah unit the imams of the muslimeen, and unit all the muslims under the banner of islam, and grant us all eman and taqwa amen
Muhammad Sanyang Aameen
Entidad-Biológica your talking about the Wahhabis and the Zionist connection
Musa Yusuf there Wahhabis so I would be having anything to do with that madness
The one right of the middle never got the dress code text in the Imam group chat
@@Gog3453 the word wahabbi cant be used audubillah, Al-Wahab is one of the names of Allah...
the term wahabism is introduced by the English...
Unity is the true path .
@l-l Truth is subjective! La Iqra fi deen!
Alhamdulillah
Ahlus Sunnah has a general meaning, that one is not a Shia. And Ahlus Sunnah has a specific meaning. anyone who opposes the specific sense is not part of it.
Masha Allah! This is true
The Manhaj of the Salaf is something which cannot be argued against, as it is not part of sectarianism. Rather it's just a methodology which is adhered to, in order to ensure we are following the Sunnah to the BEST of our ability and so that we seek an evidence from the Sunnah of the Messenger (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) and his companions (may Allah be pleased with them) for all of our actions. This entails that if there is no evidence from them for an act then we should look at where that act came from, and verify which scholars validated that act and on what basis they did it. In essence, the term Salafi is what causes fitna due to all the connotations attached to it thanks to the people of innovation and those people who hate the Sunnah; the methodology is exactly what any Sunni scholar would claim to be upon.
Nowadays we must be careful about putting labels on everyone. WAllahi you will find that the majority of people feel as if calling yourself a Muslim is not enough, and you need to ascribe yourself to a sect. This is what has made people say I am a Salafi, Sunni etc. We must remember that if we know in our hearts that we are upon the Manhaj of the Salaf and are upon Tawhid then there is no need to tell everyone you are a Salafi because they won't understand it the way you do. This idea of uniting in order to show the kuffar a good image of Islam does not make any sense, as Allah is still aware of what is in our hearts and how we secretly hate these 'sects' we have created. We must change what is within our heart because "Verily Allah does not change the condition of a people until they change what is within themselves." [Ar Ra'ad 13:11]. Thus if you truly believe then you truly love for your brother what you love for yourself, and the only path into Jannah is the Sunnah and the best way of adhering to the Sunnah is through the understanding of the companions (may Allah be pleased with them).
I am no scholar, I am nothing in front of these Shuyukh. But I hope they do not see the Manhaj of the Salaf to be a way of harshness and hatred towards other Muslims, rather it is the call to perfecting Tawheed and your understanding of the Sunnah so that you may become amongst those who are mentioned by Allah as being amongst the foremost by adhering to the way of the companions.
Surah At-Tawbah: 100 "And the first forerunners (in faith) among the Muhajireen and the Anwar and those who followed them exactly (in faith) - Allah is pleased with them and they are pleased with Him, and he has prepared for them gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide forever. Indeed that is the great attainment."
We see that those who followed the companions to the best of their ability will be amongst them in the next life, and this is what we hope to achieve by adhering to the Manhaj of the Salaf in shaa Allah.
And Allah knows best.
Mustafa Hussain well tell that to the Saudis because the love for Zionism is most problematic
Bint Aadam no one is limiting there are many predecessors that we take from but bin baz and these other great scholars make it easy for people to understand what the salad were about. A laymen Muslim can't read the books of the salaf and understand 100% we need to go back to the scholars who explain it, and allah knows best.
Wa alaykumassalam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh
When Allah Ta'ala out of His mercy could unite Aws and Khazraj (Two warring Medinan tribes). Then we are all Muslims by the grace of Allah. We should all make Dua in this blessed month for a united Muslim Ummah !!
Hi feminist
Upon the Quran and sunnah, we won’t compromise with grave worshippers
This subject has never been more important given what's happening
The sheikh all the way to the left is very knowledgeable. Masha Allah
Salahuddin (r.a) the Ashari fought alongside Ibn Qudamah (r.a) the Athari against the Crusaders.
Clearly they didn't agree with each other's ideologies but they United under La Ilaha Ilallah, to protect Islam.
You Just Opened My Eyes!!!!! JazakAllah Khair. Athari Ashari both are Ahl Us Sunnah Wal Jamah
@@beinghuman185 definitely not!
@Bob Bob athari creed is the only real sunni creed
@@Mrcontrolfreak21 what are you talking about.
@@Mrcontrolfreak21 an nawawi and ibn hajar ra were not from the asha'ira my guy.
Shk. Zoud loves the word "yaani"
me tooo😊
The Quran says there will be those who seek to quarrel over differences and sectarianism, God will throw all the quarrelled in Hellfire.. I'm not sure if it applies.. I just read it yesterday. Maybe something to think about
Sheykh Abu Baqr Zoud is the best, he has true knowledge on Quan and Sunnah, and he is very balanced Jazakallah khairam for all the Sheikhs in this halaqa
He didn’t say Ya’ni enough times
Yousef Shanawany yes, anyone can judge the Quran and Sunnah if they wish to however they please. it can be a good judgement or bad judgment that person will have to live with that choice he/she made , but interpretating the Quran and Sunnah of Rasool'Allah Sallallahu alayhi wa alihi wa sahbihi wa sallam are only for the scholars to iterpertate a scholar with the proper qualifications and not Google scholars. scholars that have ijaza to teach the deen of Allah, scholars who learnt from another scholar who learnt from another scholar that goes back to Rasool'Allah Sallallahu alayhi wa alihi wa sahbihi wa sallam.
Sheikh zoud is my favourite
There is no common ground between at-Tashbih and at-Tanzih!!!! The so-called salafi's are the Mushabihah, the Mujasimah. There is no common ground with them.
this is like the.islamic scholar UFC!!
Salaam Alykum
We may differ in fiqah.
But we must unite on the creed of salaf. That is the only way to salvation.
the sufis of today are not the sufis that roamed 1000 years ago, huge difference
@@ramonyusijfdebruijn790difference in level of deviance, but both still deviating
Thats same as whahabis lol
main problem is people talk towards one another and not with eachother
This whole debate is really ironic, especially when the 'Sufis' were the first ones to name the 'Salafis' as 'Salafis/Wahhabis'. The founder of 'Salafism' was Sheikh Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab who was actually Hanbali himself. He grew up in a time when there was a lot of corruption existing amongst the Muslim lands. He saw many Muslims diverting from the Sunnah(practices of the Prophet Muhammad(saw)) and instead following deviated practices derived from polytheistic traditions belonging to other religions such as extreme reverence of objects, people, graves etc. Sheikh Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab only had one goal and that was to essentially bring a stop to all of these deviated practices which the Muslims were blindly and ignorantly following, while at the same time intending to replace such un-Islamic practices with the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad(saw). He is in fact considered a mujaddid(reviver) to those who have come across his works and the things he taught.
No. His father and his brother - may Allah have mercy with them - were real hanbali scholars and warned against him.
Please give me proof of where you find this info.
@@omarh5558 read Divine lightning by Sh. sulayman Ibn abdulwahab where he refuted this.
No, the first one to use the term wahhabi was Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhabs brother, in his book of refutation on him,
Your own Shuyukh have called this movement “Da’watul Wahabiyya”. After they became controversial they shed their name like snakes shed their skin and picked Salafi as their label.
The only thing that will unite the Ummah is as Allah said; If you differ in anything, refer it back to Allah and His Messenger if you are true believers.... simple.. our fundamentals our Aqeedah and Manhaj has to be one and the same based upon the Quran and the Saheeh Sunnah as understood by the Sahabah and the Ulamah who followed them strictly up to our time.The Ummah is devided and disunited into various sects, groups and madhab. Solution lies is going back to what our Salaf as Salih were upon. Rasool s. And his Sahabah. After that there will be difference in fiqh issues.
so youre saying the division of the 4 imams essentially do not follow quran and sunnah?
and what makes u think salafiyyah has the true aqidah?
@@VMTNKKRthose are fiqh differences and some of the differences is allowed which we find evidence in Islam that allows differences but not in creed ps if some fiqh difference where made because of not having all the aHadith in that particular matter available to that particular scholar
These are the best Islamic world can offer?
pseudoswitch they’re not even wahhabis
sheikh shady is shaafi
we are one..alhamdulillah we follow the same quran.that's all.
no thats not all... We follow the quran and the sunnah of the prophet peace be upon him and his companians thats all..
Then we have the scholars...
@@hss9473 the sunna of salafis ! arrrhhh quran wa sunna !!!
i am ex sufi sufis literally belive that metting awliya is like metting allah nauzbillah they also beleive allah is everywhere naubillah alhamdulilah i am salafi
Allah doesn't any need place to exist.
I think you misunderstood the phrase "Allah is everywhere" thing.
His love is everywhere
His mercy is everywhere
His supervisor is everywhere
Wallahu'alam
@بن محمد my dear brother, many 'ulama have different perspectives on the ayah: "Arrahmanu 'alaa arsy istawaa"
Some say it's muhkamat (explicit meaning)
Some other say it's mutasyabbihat (implicit meaning /metaphor)
My point of view, I choose to understand it as a metaphor, as that would be enough for human intellectual.
Wallahu'alam
your statement is exactly what causes problems. this and other reasons are the problems why it will never end.
@@tabahghifary8744 my brother but muhammad saw went miraj and that was above seven haevens
@@talalaijaz7875as far as i know. Rasulullah Salallahu'alaihi wa sallam elevated to the shidratul muntaha, not Ar-Rasy
I humbly ask for correction if there's mistake
I am pure Muslim ( sufi ) no basalt no with out hijab for my family clean zikr
Hayat Kokab how can one be a pure Muslim (sufi) ? when Allah swt has labeled you as Muslim, why have you then labeled your self? did the prophet label you as sufi? did the sahaba label them self as sufi? so we're has this come from? quran, hadith? within labels there labels (division), be not from those whom have been divided, verily the ones who are divided and into ascribed sects, Allah swt will deal with them. Allah knows best.
We should be humble lol just because you are sufi does not mean you are clean muslims may Allah tala guide us. Ameen
Real sufis are very good Muslims.
I read somewhere that whoever calls himself a Sufi isn't a real sufi
Sth to think about
May Allah purify us and guide us all
Grant us all Janatul Firdaws
@@amiramz7869 My Shaykh says the same we are Rabbani Muslim Alhamdulillah
48:20 starts mentioning sufi kufr etc.
But earlier quoted ibn taymiyyah saying he doesnt make takfir on anyone who makes wudhu
Yea hes just quoting ibn taymiyyah
Alhamdulilla the majority of Imams are not too far from each other in terms of Aqeeda and basic understanding of the dean. What is ANIC doing to root out those deviant groups and Imams like the Barelvis and extreme Tareeqa groups hiding and some operating openly in Australia. What are being done about these groups who are clearly deviant sects....
ANIC is a ikwani organisation
Follow the salaf by following a Madhab and do not follow the group salafi.. for traditional Islam is that you follow an orthodox school of jurisprudence..
What this “traditional islam” before the 4 imams then?
@@Ubaydah. the islam of the sahabah going back to the islam of the prophet
@@G1NG3RRR you have just defined salafism akhi, i think you misunderstood its actual meaning. Barakallahu feekum
@@Ubaydah. salafism is a tag of a group which does not follow a school of thought but rather follows hadith to their understanding or the understanding of their teacher... I described the salaf not the salafi group my brother.. the imams of the four schools took from the sahabah and the students of the sahabah, they are more reliable in jurisprudence than those sheikhs of today who do ijtihad. The tradition was to follow the sunni schools of thought as they are balanced and simplified for people.. and I mean the tradition of all the great fuqaha from the tabi tabieen onwards.. imam bukhari, imam nawawi, imam suyuti, imam ghazali, ibn hajar etc. They all followed one school of thought my beloved brother. Wa allahu alam wa jazakallahu khair
@@G1NG3RRR slight misunderstanding regarding the difference between the Salaf, a salafi, and salafiyyah, but thats ok. May Allah guide you and keep you upon goodness
I wonder how is unity possible on a path not ordained by Quran & Sunnah & practised by salaf.
both do, but both have their interpretations
sanaulla sharief Rasool'Allah Sallallahu alayhi wa sallam never feared shirk for his ummah his main fear was the corrupted scholars like your very own Muhammed Abdul wahab
Authu billah may Allah guidr u brother.
Our prophet aleygisalatuwasalam preached Lailahaillallah like for 13 years alone. No salah. No fasting. No anything just worship Allah alone without any partners without any shirk. Allahul Must’an.
What are those 13 years if they are not tawheed-Anti shirk.
May Allah guide u and us.
We’re under the minhaj (Islam Iman and Ihsan) of the Salaf
What does yahni mean?
Mohammed Islam kinda like "you know"
Mohammed Islam "in other words"
Mohamed Islam "as in"
"Which is"
I also puked watching this, we unite only on Quran and sunnah, I ain’t compromising
I follow the prophet and the salaf (pious predecessors including the sahabah, tabeen, at taba tabeen and the classical scholars)
I don’t follow a random “peer” or “fir”
And you follow ibnu taymiah dont forget it ,and there is no other sheiks other then ibni taymiah, you are just another stupid one
Read Qur'an. Atiullah, atiurasul , ati ur ulul amri minkum, who is ulul amr?
Drop the the egos. And act on by the Qur'an and suna...and بدع means wrong path.. can I also say you guys carry on like this it's like driving a car without an engine...
والله المستعان
There are two bida'hs according to Imam syafi'i.
Notice that Abu Bakr Zoud talks about Salaf but then only quotes Ibn Taymiyya who wasn’t even Salaf. He needs to learn basics of consistency.
Were the Salaf not knowledgeable? Were the Imams not knowledgeable? Imam Malik said not to even give the people of innovation Salam and see how we are even told not to sit with them. Subhan’Allah. This matter is one that is clear. Forget this video and read how the Ulama were and how strict they were with innovation and innovators. We can only unite upon the truth and not deviance. The scholars of Ahlul Sunnah did not try to unite with ahlul bid’ah. Rather they refuted and warned against them. This is disappointing and misleading. May Allah protect us all.
. Al-Hasan al-Basree (d. 110H) said: "Do not sit with the people of innovation and desires, nor argue with them, nor listen to them." Reported by ad-Daarimee in his Sunan (1/121)
Ibraaheem bin Maysarah (d.132H) said: "Whoever honours an innovator has aided in the destruction of Islam." Reported by al-Laalikaa'ee (1/139).
Sufyaan ath-Thawree (d. 161H) said: "Whoever listens to an innovator has left the protection of Allaah and is entrusted with the innovation." Reported by Abu Nu'aym in al-Hilyah (7/26) and Ibn Battah (no.444).
Imaam Maalik (d. 179H) said: "How evil are the people of innovation, we do no give them salaam." Reported by al-Baghawee in Sharh us-Sunnah (1/234).
Imaam ash-Shaafi'ee (d. 204H) said: "That a person meets Allaah with every sin except Shirk is better than meeting Him upon any one of the innovated beliefs." Reported by al-Bayhaqee in al-I'tiqaad (p.158)
Al-Fudayl bin 'Iyaad (d. 187H) said: "Whoever sits with a person of innovation, then beware of him and whoever sits with a person of innovation has not been given wisdom. I love that there was fort of iron between me and a person of innovation. That I eat with a Jew and a Christian is more beloved to me than that I eat with a person of innovation." Reported by al-Laalikaa'ee (no.1149)
Al-Layth bin Sa'd (d. 175H) said: "If I saw a person of desires (i.e. innovations) walking upon the water I would not accept from him." So Imaam as-Shaafi'ee then said: "He (al-Layth) has fallen short. If I saw him walking in the air I would not accept from him." Reported by as-Suyooti in al-Amr bil 'Ittibaa wan-Nahee anil Ibtidaa'.
Al-Fudayl bin 'Iyaad said: "If a man comes to a person to consult him and he directs him to an innovator, then he has made a deception of Islaam. Beware of going to a person of innovation for they divert [people] from the truth." Sharh Usool ul-I'tiqaad of al-Laalikaa'ee (no.261) feel free to check all the references.
show me proof that sufis were ahlul bidah
Whre imam malik said like you said can you show me the proof
Salaam everyone.Sulafis follow quran and sunnah and the understanding of the 1st three generations and stick to the authentic hadith and avoid shirk and innovations.They do want to unite with muslim but only upon the quran and sunnah of our beloved prophet Muhammad phuh and won't accept any innovations.Sufi put they faith in their peers sufi teaches who innovate in the Deen find a new way tareeka and say their new way of zikhr is correct.Also sufi base they beliefs on dreams weak hadith and give Allah attributes to the sufi teaches and even our beloved prophet Muhammad phuh which is shirk the worst sin in islam.May Allah guide us all to the straight path and grant us Jannat firdous Ameen
The unity of the Sunnis were Ash'ari, Salafi, Maturidis and Sufis. The only solution for me is to stand against the Shiite tide Iranian satanic.
Sufi’s have the sicela (chain) of Muhammad (SAW) each Sufi shaikh got their permission going all the way back to the prophet (s) their are deviants on both sides but we don’t paint each side with the same brush
No bidatt
it's pointless to debate with asharis.
These political group should not divine us. We are one ummah. Delete these two ( Salafis/ Sufis ) worlds.
Akhi, salafi means that you base what you believe from the quran and the sunnah of rasulullah on the beliefs of the sahaba, the generation of muslims after them, and the generation after them, simple. It isn't complicated, it's a term used for distinction.
@@ismaelsoum6401 Rather they are political group. In Islam there should not be any group. Not even Shia. Since we follow Rasul Alllah we are all Sunni.
@@ismaelsoum6401 I wish what you say is true but it's not. The salaf of today or not on the same methodology as the salaf of first generation. When salaf of the first generation come across the attribute of Allah in the Qur'an or the hadith that is in the term of yad, waj, 3ayn, etc they never took the literal meaning or translate them to hand, face, eyes because they wear not equal in meanings, but left the true meaning to Allah at the time negating the meaning of body, physical parts and the like to those attributes. Unlike the salaf of today they do not negate meaning that translate to physical body or body parts, they say we don't say Allah is a physical body but we don't say his not either, wow to the salaf of today hell fire is waiting for you. The first salaf of the time of the prophet are free from you. Do you not know Allah doesn't resemble the creation in anyway or form. You are misguided and you are misguiding other. You have no right to call yourself salaf. The word salaf is exclusive for people in the first 300 yrs in islamic history. You can't even do that correctly.
do you know how much shirk you are committing by calling yourself dhul qarnain
The Salafi’s have puritanical air of Superiority complex.
This is not politics what's a common ground come to the straight path may Allah guide all of us
Ya'ni
Who’s the salafi and who’s the Sufi lol
Pro tip check for the mustache
Subhan Ji
I just realized... the one who follows the Sunnah more (growing the beard) is the Salafi.
There're literature background of the shahabah where they keep their beard 'a handful' so the cut the growing part more than that.
Wallahu'alam
The one who Quotes Allah and the Messenger and his Companions that's the Salaf. Not the one talking from himself or constantly quoting imams who also made errors. The Sahabas were all truthful so we take from them and where they learned, they follow the best the mostful truthful the prophet Mohammed صلي الله عليه وسلم and what Allah عزوجل and what were revealed in the Quran
@@MohammedAlSharif2002 no
I am muslim.
Muhammad ibn e Abdul wahab founder of wahabi movement was a kharji as he waged jihad against Muslims of Hijaz. He thinks his interpretation of shirk is the only true Islam. Everyone who differs him is mushrik and kafir. He killed 3 lac people. If shirk is so widespread then prophet saw must have informed about it in prophesies but prophet saw informed he has no fear for shirk in his ummah but feared a man who will label ummah with shirk and kill them. Reference of hadees Silsilah Sahiha 3201,133
Quran and Sunnah. No shirk, no bid'ah.
Imam syafi'i said innhis book there are two bida'hs good and bad.
Who are among the sheikhs are salafi and who are sunni?
how can wahhabis call for unity when their imams have declared the whole nation of Prophet Muhammad as kuffar, their leader Mohammad ibn abdul wahhab claimed Islam did not exist for 600 years (between him and ibn taymiyyah) until he came renewing the call to islam. even now wahhabis say all muslims do shirk and bida.The nation of Prophet Muhammad is protected from deviating as a majority. The Prophet said "My nation will not unite on misguidance, so if you see them differing, follow the great majority" (Ibn Majah) and he said “Allah will never untie the nation of Prophet Muhammad upon falsehood/misguidance, the support of Allah is with the majority and whoever deviates from the Majority of Muslims has deviated to hellfire (Tirmithiy, al-Hakim, al-Bayhaqi)
Ahlu Sunnah (Asharis and Maturidis) are the majority of this nation. Imam Nawawi, Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, Imam Suyuti, Abu Nu`aym, al-Bayhaqi, al-Qushayri, al-Isfarayini, Ibn Asakir, Salahudin ayoubi (saladin), al-Qadi iyaad, Subki, al-Iraqi, Imam Razi, Imam al-Qurtubiyy, most, if not all interpreters of the hadith and Quran were all ashari in creed, if they were not ashari they were maturidi. Even Ibn Baz in Fatawaa Latnatud Daaima admitted these scholars (and he names some of them) made Ta`wil and did not interpret the Quran and hadith literally. Further proving that these scholars were from Ahlu Sunnah and that it is the wahhabis who have deviated.
Wahhabis named themselves salafis to try and fool people into believing they follow the way of the salaf, when infact they have taken their beliefs of anthropomorphism from ibn taymiyyah who took it from the anthropomorphisist during the salaf period like darimi (not the hafidth and hadith master darimi, a different man) and barbahaari, al-qadi abu yala and others who falsified, lied and made up narrations and attributed them to ahlu sunnah, specifically Imam Ahmad. The scholars of Ahlu Sunnah at large exposed and refuted their beliefs and warned from following these men who lied about Imam Ahmad and the true Sunni creed, read Dafu Shubah by Imam ibnul Jawzi al-Hanbali, al-Farqu bayn al-Firaq by Abu Mansur al-Baghdadi, dafu shubah man shabaha by Imam Taqiudeen al-Husni. They show the true creed of the Ahlu Sunnah and how the salaf cleared Allah from being attributed with having a body or being in a place and having organs/limbs as the mushabiha falsely claimed the salaf held.
Sounds like partial ash'ari propaganda to me lol
@@XiangnuKhaan you have nothing else to say akhi?
@@jrock2019 it is ash'ari propaganda
sheikh ul islam ibn taymiyah was a sunni lol not a warbee barbie
J0nesJr how can he be wahabbi when that sect began in the 1700s with british funding? ibn taymiyah came 500 yrs before that sect. they canonized his mistakes in aqeedah, but he was not ghair muqallid who were such a minority he use to kill them off
J0nesJr that begs the question who are they following lol, these GM's dont even folllow their own sheikh ul islam!
J0nesJr yes! when u tell them where theyre going wrong they still continue, cos they feel empowered - its all about their ego
Where are we wrong, brother? We call to only truth, with evidences.
Talal Siddiqui one example uthaymeen rh made a mistake saying if u havent finished ur fatiha u either carry on and miss the rakah or read an extra rakah! so magrib could be 4 rakahs, pure innovation
Salaf is permissible allowed be taken
the proper tittle of this video should have been "Discussion: how to bring Neo-salafis and Neo-sufis on the right path, I. e., the path of ahle sunnat waljammat (hanfi, maliki, shafii, and hanbli)
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What is the point of allying with and sitting with ahlul bid'ah? It will bring us no benefit.
which are the ahlul bidah?
Big ego talk.
how could these guy called as sheikh? uniting sufi? They are upon khurafat not upon sunnah
Radioknife ragunan wahabis are upon bombing people! which sunnah is that?
So Ibn Qudama, Abdul-Ghani al Maqdisi, Ibn Taymiyya, Ibn Qayyim, Ibn hajar al asqalani were all deviant but you are correct? They were ALL proponents of sufism
I'm sorry but it is hard for me to find common ground with ahl ul biddah/Sufis when they worship graves by praying to the tombs of dead saints, Rahimhu Allah. If they want common ground then they should come back to the Islam as understood by the Salaf and the Deen of the vast majority of the Ummah follows.
@SweetGinger How about the hadith on the prophet SAW asking the sahabas to get Uwais to pray for them? Goodness you wahabbis are extremely ignorant and are terribly unlearned
@SweetGinger Be careful when youre quoting the quran. You are being a literalist here and quoting with an agenda. Do you know what the whole chapter is referring to? You cannot just extract an ayah and claim it is referring to something to push an agenda. The terrorists are doing it to justify killing of innocence. I would suggest you humble yourself and accept your mistakes and start learning the Quran properly under the guidance of a teacher. Not youtube and definitely not learning by yourself. May Allah protect us from deviating from the Quran and sunnah and becoming of people of arrogance that focus on takfiring others and only see others flaws and not ourselves.
Don’t be deceived. There’re ahlus Sunnah Maturidis and Asharis on one side, and the wahabis on the other side. There’s nothing called salafi positions. There’re only the ulama of the Salaf.
Asharis and Maturidis aren't sunnis , they are innovators.
@@mohammed000wadih Whos ahlus Sunnah? your waahabi scholars from saudi in the 20th century? hilarious
@@wordswords5926 Ahlul Sunnah are the ones who follow the sunnah , asharis and maturidis don't follow the sunnah , they follow biddah.
It's very simple.
Ikhwaani agenda
Bring shamsi in!!😂😂
he is nothing on the level of this men
@@VMTNKKR He is way above.
Loool Real Talk
@@limitedquantitysufiyyahexp4905 im so sure youre not a tholibul ilm, have proper teachers from the ahlus sunnah let alone be someone who is dedicated to serving the religion. Shamsi followers are mostly kids who spend excessive time on youtube taking 'ilm' and cant even read the quran with proper adab and tajweed.
You think you can debate others taking from the words of guys like shamsi, dakwahman who are barely students of knowledge even. One day you will suffer the words of you going agains ahlus sunnah and if you dont repent, will get its dire consequences. You think this is all small minor things joking about this and thinking youre so arrogant by learning from these kids like shamsi, there are major impacts in your life and May Allah protect and guide you before you bear the next generation who are followers of shamsi
@@limitedquantitysufiyyahexp4905 he's really not bro
Wwww
The salaf is the best
It's not about football here...
I was waiting for a fist fight 😕
not here...
joke
salafism is a word coined in the 1800s. they claim salaf yet they reject the salaf. how ironic
how
Great ignorance you say Salafism is a word coined in the 1800s?
First the Prophet ﷺ used the word “Salaf” سلف in Hadith and Allah used this word in the Quran, as for the word Salafi : سلفي this was also used by the predecessors:
Muhamad Ibn Khalaf well known as Waki (died 306AH) said in his biography about Ismail Ibn Hammad :
“Ismail Ibn Hammad was a true and collect Salafi” (سلفي)
~Akhbar Al Qudat 2/167
Good try, (it wasn’t I’m being sarcastic).
@@user-br1qk6mt6k i am not talking about the word salaf. i am talking about the term salafi. btw, the quote you took from Akhbar Al Qudat makes 0 sense. and you still here barking? remember when you were doing takfir on me for being happy about the birth of my beloved prophet Muhammad salallahu alaihi wasalam in which i proved my joy to be from the salaf you claim you follow blindly. i have a question. do you even follow a school of fiqh?
Good try, (it wasn’t I’m being sarcastic).
@@hassanalialqadiri firstly how does it not make sense when Waki used the term سلفي not salaf but the word Salafi, burns doesn’t make sense. And bruddah I think you need to check ur memory Bcuz I never done Takfir on you. And yes in Fiqh I’m a Hanbali. Anyone with even an ounce worth of intellect can clearly read that the word Salafi was used, so ur entire argument that it was coined in the 1800s has failed miserably, not to mention you lying I done Takfir on you, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt your mixing someone else with me.
what happen to the saying.
do not sit with the innovators..
@pseudoswitch asyaari are the ahlul dolal
@@omanhakimi3321 لا حول ولا قوة الا بالله العلي العظيم واتوب اليه استغفرالله العظيم واتوب اليه that mean you said 1.2million Muslims are kafir allah allah اتق الله.
@@josephadam339 if you've studied basics, Ahlul-Bid'ah doesn't mean kāfir, shows your weak knowledge
@@omanhakimi3321 what do you mean by saying asyariyah ahlu dolal? majority of us asyariyah.
@@josephadam339 people of misguidance
Sufi biddah
explain
@@kbayli.jsk1256 the prophet never did khatams, or mawlids, nor did the first three generations, all this came after him, biddah is simple, if the prophet didn't do it, then who are we to invent stuff and add stuff. Show me where in the Qur'an or the hadiths of bukhari or Muslim, this was practiced by the prophet? If you can't find it then who are we to say we know what's best for Islam. If the prophet himself didn't do these practices of mawlid, saints and dancing, calling upon dead people. I trust only Hadith's shahih and Qur'an, not hearsay, without evidence we are just ignorant
By the way you never read imam syafi'i said innhis book there are two bida'hs good and bad.
@@josephadam339 The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to say, when beginning a khutbah (sermon): " The best of speech is the Book of Allaah and the best of guidance is the guidance of Muhammad. The worst of things are those which are newly-invented, and every innovation is a going astray" (reported by Muslim, no. 867)
If every bid'ah is a going astray, how can some people then say that there is such a thing in Islam as "bid'ah hasanah"? By Allaah, this is an obvious contradiction of the statement and warning of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stated that whoever innovates something new in the deen (religion) will have his deed rejected, and Allaah will not accept it, as is stated in the hadeeth narrated by 'Aa'ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her), who said: "The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Whoever innovates something in this matter of ours that is not a part of it will have it rejected.'" (Reported by al-Bukhaari, Fath al-Baari, no. 2697). How can anybody then say that bid'ah is acceptable and it is permitted to follow it?
When a person innovates something and adds to the deen something that does not belong to it, he is implying a number of bad things, each worse than the last, for example:
That the religion is lacking, that Allaah did not complete and perfect it, and that there is room for improvement. This clearly contradicts the statement in the Qur'aan (interpretation of the meaning): " This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion" [al-Maa'idah 5:3]
That the religion remained imperfect from the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) until the time when this innovator came along and completed it with his own ideas.
That the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was "guilty" of either of two things: either he was ignorant of this "good innovation," or he knew about it but concealed it, thus letting his ummah down by not conveying it.
That the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), his Companions and the righteous salaf (early generations) missed out on the reward of this "good innovation" - until this innovator came along and earned it for himself, despite the fact that he should say to himself, "If it was truly good, they would have been the first to do it."
Opening the door to bid'ah leads to changing the deen (religion) and opens the way for personal whims and opinions, because every innovator implies that what he is introducing is something good, so whose opinion are we supposed to follow, and which of them should we take as a leader?
Following bid'ah leads to the cancelling out of sunnah practices and the ways of the salaf. Real life bears witness that whenever a bid'ah is followed, a sunnah practice dies out; the reverse is also true.
We ask Allaah to save us from the misguidance of personal whims and from all trials whether they are open or secret. And Allaah knows best.
@@johntiles imam syafi'i never tried to contradict the prophet. he is mujtahid he is imam who know exactly what the prophet said. By the way who are you who said imam syafi'i is ignorant ! اتق الله because he divided into two. I never see a group of people judging another group by saying they are ahlul bida'h, grave worshippers, kafir, more than your group نعوذ بالله من ذلك.
sanaulla sharief he was revivalist indeed. Muhammed Abdul wahab went against the madhabs saying Muslims did not need to follow one of the four, he was even refuted by his own blood brother and father. Go read diaries of a British spy by Mr hempher it's in the history books my friend. if you can't beat them join them. You Wahabies /salafies will never conquer the Alhus sunnah wal jammat
the alhus sunnah wal jammat will never find common ground if salafis are intentionally distorting the religion of Allah
show me how they are doing that
@@user-oc4dp7cv7e they cause division
Suffi is an invention no compagnon or tabi3in was suffi it came after so how can it not be a bid3a
You are talking nonsense, check out Hassan al basri, junaid al bagdadi, ibni ataullah, abu yazid bistami, Ibrahim atham etc
no, all the 4 madhahibs were sufi including much of the salaf al saalih, stop lying
Bro only salafi bring you jennah
no
No brother it is reda of Allah who brings us to jannah.
True and the follow-up of thE sunnah
Not brake dancing in the mosq
Useless discussion from the very beginning until the end.
If the head of a train make a left turn of course the rest of will follow to left ..
If the ulama themselves preaching hates towards other ulama of course their followers will do the same.
Stop blaming the ummah blame yourselves!
You (wahhabis ulama) are the who came out with extreme fatwas and falsely judging others.
From their discussion, it seems they put themselves high above the ummah as if they are priests in a church.
There are no church institution in Islam.
Be careful with your arrogance
What are you talking about? Lol
Wahhabis
missing imam tawhidi
Sects of islam..barking at eachother..this what islam have became.. ?? They have left the Quran al majeed and following there own or bukharis desires..