I have noticed that some of our fish are definitely camera shy. Some of them charge in and eat regardless. Others swoop in to check out the bait, notice the funny looking camera and then leave in a hurry. I'd say about 40%-50% of the fish just won't eat in front of the camera. As far as the scent goes, the right scent can certainly add some much needed attractant to otherwise scentless baits. Live bait, corn, Powerbait and such already have scent. Use scent where scent isn't included.
I’ve played with scents & really could never decide if it helped or not . Always wondered how long it sat on the store shelves & if it went rancid before I even purchased it. Or maybe from years of sitting in my boat 😂
i work with insect pheromones sometimes. we refer to the pheromone as having an active space. i know you're a bug guy so you know what i mean. that is, it is possible the scent draws fish in from a distance but that the scent is too strong for fish to perceive in close so you get the 50:50 probability
@@spiltmilt I'm not sure about that. How would you isolate scenting from vision? Salmonids have crazy good scenting abilities. You did isolate the vision aspect as the baits had the same look. i think vision is more important when not using bait, which is why we use flashers, dodgers, spoons, etc. to great effect out here in the east. I'm going to try corn this year for landlocked atlantic salmon using the same set up you use for kokanee. the landlocks are hatchery raised so i suspect the corn is a common scent in fish meal, or is it?
I used scents on my rooster tail spinners when I fish on rivers and it’s been successful. It was an accident since I left the bottle cracked open once and scent got all over, but at the time I couldn’t figure out why that one particular spinner always landed fish. I had multiple ones of the exact same spinner, but those wouldn’t get the bite as the scented one. It was shrimp/night crawler scent!
Love your channel. I've used scent and believe soft biting trout will hang around a little longer with scent. I would love to see the results of this experiment using any sort of non natural bait. There is already a scent with the corn. Would the results change with a standard plastic jig?
Smell and taste are intimately related, but there is a difference. Taste includes mouthfeel and a higher concentration. So it might be that they are attracted by scent, but not as excited about the concentrated taste and feel. Many, however, probably did not get close enough to even taste the bait. Could have been a local concentration issue... or maybe something about how it looks. Maybe the sheen from the oil spooks them? I don't think you can conclude that using scent does not confer an advantage since the two lines are pretty close to each other. The scent could be drawing them in at least. The big question is how can you do a really good comparison without having them close together at the same time? Seems like it would require a much bigger investment in a statistical trial. Assuming that they are attracted by scent, but don't want to bite it, could one do something like run two hooks a bit far apart with the upper being scented and the lower not?
Cool video idea! While scents are played up so much on a lot of fishing shows, I have never been fully convinced it makes much a difference myself, and when I used it I always end up feeling paranoid it is doing more harm than anything. Since you have been doing a lot of tests on the water, I am curious what is the evidence you require to become confident some change of technique, etc is a difference maker given that any given trial or observation on the water comes from limited data. With how much you fish, I would imagine it’s by repeated observations over time, but curious to hear more. Thanks!
I like to use garlic scent for stocked trout, I usually only use it on lures and have noticed that it increases my catch rates, wonder if different scents make trout bite better than others?
Very interesting about them being camera shy. That would mean they're aware of changes in their ever changing environment. That's an indication of more intelligence than I've given trout credit for!
I've never done side by side testing and I almost always use nightcrawlers, but I have always thought that the bites with unscented worms are harder bites they grab and run! I havent used scent in lakes the last couple years
You can make your own fishing scents out of store bought mineral oil... get some cheap squeeze bottles at fred meyers.. pour some in each bottle and add garlic, herring chunks, anchovy church or even tuna oil out of a can to the oil. It's a lot cheap and in my opinion Works better. Had get success with fall salmon doing that. To be honest we do use scent unless we get despite. My favorite is pure cooking anise you can buy for baking.
My only verifiable difference with scents is shrimp oil and channel catfish. I do use anise when trolling for trout, but can't prove it improves my catch.
do use that scent when trolling on your kayak? I've been using Anise on my dodgers when trolling, not sure if it makes a difference or not. nice bow by the way!
I always wonder if it's one of the more common sents that fish can get "conditioned" to it, and it could do more harm then good... And then on top of that, if im getting it on my hands and on all my other gear ruining everything.
No scientist here but I think scent especially the gels can be a bit to much on their palate. It’s like us smelling bacon from far away then take a bite full of jelly flavored bacon. Which is why they released it. Oils might be better. But I could be completely wrong and it’s just like you said not much concrete evidence of either
I think for a real test you would need to use plastics...as Corn by itself has a scent that trout like...infact making dough bait with corn juice is a excellent bait😊
You harvested a TROUT! Hell didn't freeze over but I guess that lake did! What's your preferred trout recipe? I imagine you make it worth it, having so much salmon on hand 🙂
@@spiltmilt One of the better trout recipes is from Mario Battali, the disgraced former Iron Chef and restaurant owner. Might be possible to find video of him preparing it from his original TV show but basically you start by filleting the trout, remove the skin and I normally would also pull the side lateral bones using needle nose. In the mean time in a small pan slowly steep some fresh rosemary and garlic cloves in good extra virgin olive oil. Key is don't fry the garlic, keep the oil just warm enough to extract the flavor. Form a heavy duty foil pouch big enough for the fillet and then place thin sliced pancetta inside, follow up by placing the fillet over it and before closing the pouch add about a dozen quality brined olives(the type with pits still in them) along with drizzling the entire fillet with the rosemary and garlic flavored olive oil. You won't need to add much salt because of the saltiness from the pancetta and olives but black pepper is definitely a good addition. After sealing the pouch place it on a charcoal grill with soaked wood chips added and that will be hot enough to be able to fry the pancetta inside the pouch and cook for at least 20 minutes. For a bigger fish like the one you kept it will likely will take a good 30 to 35 minutes to be able to cook it through. This recipe is also good for Kokanee but making culinary comparisons for the two is kind of unfair since properly harvested Kokanee is the best eating fresh water fish, at least of all the different species I've tried. Watching your excellent previous videos on harvesting Kokanee properly I know you already understand how crucial that aspect is for either trout or Kokanee....if you plan to eat them.
I wonder how much the natural scent of the corn plays a role. Would be interesting to use small unscented beads, do one unscented, one with a corn scent, one garlic, and one trout scent. See how that goes.
You have some good videos and editing but have watched 3 videos and in none of them did you show or mention your lines, lures, dodgers, or poles. You catch them well but people view to learn your techniques and skills. (which are admittedly good) I hope you can correct this so myself and others will suscribe.
"Look at this trout. What a beauty!" Cuts to next shot with no trout but bloody snow all over the place. Love it!
loved the shot of the trout with the bling. lol
Love the footage at the first lake - the fish with the bling hanging out of its mouth!😂
I find scent can helps me. I always leave home with a variety, even when I choose not to use them.
I have noticed that some of our fish are definitely camera shy. Some of them charge in and eat regardless. Others swoop in to check out the bait, notice the funny looking camera and then leave in a hurry. I'd say about 40%-50% of the fish just won't eat in front of the camera.
As far as the scent goes, the right scent can certainly add some much needed attractant to otherwise scentless baits. Live bait, corn, Powerbait and such already have scent. Use scent where scent isn't included.
That first guy was a beauty!
Second lake looks like those lakes up in Manson WA I used to fish when I was a kid
Appreciate your experimental design and execution. Good analysis too.
BEST FISHING CHANNEL!! From Kitsap WA
I’ve played with scents & really could never decide if it helped or not .
Always wondered how long it sat on the store shelves & if it went rancid before I even purchased it. Or maybe from years of sitting in my boat 😂
Wow huge rainbow.
I want my swedish pimple back! 😂🤣
i work with insect pheromones sometimes. we refer to the pheromone as having an active space. i know you're a bug guy so you know what i mean. that is, it is possible the scent draws fish in from a distance but that the scent is too strong for fish to perceive in close so you get the 50:50 probability
I think for trout the visual aspect is far more important at distance than scent.
@@spiltmilt Perhaps the scent is drawing them in but they don't care for the taste? I don't know if fish can actually taste their food though.
@@spiltmilt I'm not sure about that. How would you isolate scenting from vision? Salmonids have crazy good scenting abilities. You did isolate the vision aspect as the baits had the same look. i think vision is more important when not using bait, which is why we use flashers, dodgers, spoons, etc. to great effect out here in the east. I'm going to try corn this year for landlocked atlantic salmon using the same set up you use for kokanee. the landlocks are hatchery raised so i suspect the corn is a common scent in fish meal, or is it?
I used scents on my rooster tail spinners when I fish on rivers and it’s been successful. It was an accident since I left the bottle cracked open once and scent got all over, but at the time I couldn’t figure out why that one particular spinner always landed fish. I had multiple ones of the exact same spinner, but those wouldn’t get the bite as the scented one. It was shrimp/night crawler scent!
Love your channel. I've used scent and believe soft biting trout will hang around a little longer with scent. I would love to see the results of this experiment using any sort of non natural bait. There is already a scent with the corn. Would the results change with a standard plastic jig?
Going icefishing this next weekend....great information as always friend!😁👍
Smell and taste are intimately related, but there is a difference. Taste includes mouthfeel and a higher concentration. So it might be that they are attracted by scent, but not as excited about the concentrated taste and feel. Many, however, probably did not get close enough to even taste the bait. Could have been a local concentration issue... or maybe something about how it looks. Maybe the sheen from the oil spooks them? I don't think you can conclude that using scent does not confer an advantage since the two lines are pretty close to each other. The scent could be drawing them in at least.
The big question is how can you do a really good comparison without having them close together at the same time? Seems like it would require a much bigger investment in a statistical trial.
Assuming that they are attracted by scent, but don't want to bite it, could one do something like run two hooks a bit far apart with the upper being scented and the lower not?
I guess no scent needed. What a beauty rainbow off the hop there, be a great one for the smoker! Great video again, cheers
Cool video idea! While scents are played up so much on a lot of fishing shows, I have never been fully convinced it makes much a difference myself, and when I used it I always end up feeling paranoid it is doing more harm than anything.
Since you have been doing a lot of tests on the water, I am curious what is the evidence you require to become confident some change of technique, etc is a difference maker given that any given trial or observation on the water comes from limited data. With how much you fish, I would imagine it’s by repeated observations over time, but curious to hear more. Thanks!
I like to use garlic scent for stocked trout, I usually only use it on lures and have noticed that it increases my catch rates, wonder if different scents make trout bite better than others?
Thanks I learn a lot form these videos
Very interesting about them being camera shy. That would mean they're aware of changes in their ever changing environment. That's an indication of more intelligence than I've given trout credit for!
Wow man is that a nice fish. 😮😮😮😮OK, so I now have a new perspective for ice fishing
Anyone notice the lure stuck in the trout at 4:46? Fish looked extra cautious because of it haha. Free lure if he was able to get him to bite
I've never done side by side testing and I almost always use nightcrawlers, but I have always thought that the bites with unscented worms are harder bites they grab and run! I havent used scent in lakes the last couple years
Pro cure garlic bloody tuna.
Thanks for spending the time teaching
You can make your own fishing scents out of store bought mineral oil... get some cheap squeeze bottles at fred meyers.. pour some in each bottle and add garlic, herring chunks, anchovy church or even tuna oil out of a can to the oil. It's a lot cheap and in my opinion Works better. Had get success with fall salmon doing that. To be honest we do use scent unless we get despite. My favorite is pure cooking anise you can buy for baking.
Awesome footage
Experiment videos are the best!
I’m sure Berkeley has plenty of research on the effectiveness of scents. They do some pretty in depth research.
My only verifiable difference with scents is shrimp oil and channel catfish. I do use anise when trolling for trout, but can't prove it improves my catch.
do use that scent when trolling on your kayak? I've been using Anise on my dodgers when trolling, not sure if it makes a difference or not. nice bow by the way!
I came to ask the same. I put garlic tuna on lures/hoochie and dodgers
I don't apply any scent to my lure or dodgers. I found it made very little difference and add a lot of cleanup time. I do however apply it the bait.
Cool to see!
Tricky experiment because the fish maybe be able to smell the scented but see the scented first.
Maybe but it still did not seem to provide any advantage in terms of fish holding onto the bait
Could be interesting to compare two different scented corn. See if they prefer one scent to another or if it truly doesn’t matter
That is an amazing fish
The scent is in the area of both baits most likely and whichever they run into first will get bit.
Should you try fishing them farther apart? could the scented be attracting the trout and they just hit anything.
It’s not really a choice trial if they are far apart
I always use pro cure products for all species that I fish for and I always out fish others around me.
I like smelly jelly too
Delicious looking trout, how will you prepare it ?
Might smoke it at some point
The scent could be bringing fish in, and then the fish bites whichever it sees first?
Doubt it. Trout are drawn in by visual attraction primarily not scent.
I always wonder if it's one of the more common sents that fish can get "conditioned" to it, and it could do more harm then good... And then on top of that, if im getting it on my hands and on all my other gear ruining everything.
Tyler, I know you use scents religiously when jigging or trolling for kokanee. Do you think they key in on scents to a greater extent than trout?
It really depends. I've had days on the water where only the garlic corn gets hit and then others that the Kokanee don't seem to care.
Does corn work for perch too ? From Finland and never heard of people using corn xd
It does not work for perch
No scientist here but I think scent especially the gels can be a bit to much on their palate. It’s like us smelling bacon from far away then take a bite full of jelly flavored bacon. Which is why they released it. Oils might be better. But I could be completely wrong and it’s just like you said not much concrete evidence of either
I think you are anthropomorphizing. ;)
@@richpleiss1864 lol yea I might be but seems about right in my head
I never put a lure in the water with out sent. Found that it catches fish 7 to one on none scented lures
I think for a real test you would need to use plastics...as Corn by itself has a scent that trout like...infact making dough bait with corn juice is a excellent bait😊
the scent could be attracting the fish to both baits. maybe they should be separated a a greater distance
I don’t like feeding in front of a camera either😂
Why don't you ice fish for kokanee? If you do, it doesn't seem like you do very often, why?
I have several videos on ice fishing Kokanee already. Most of the Kokanee lakes here that ice over are closed to fishing
You harvested a TROUT! Hell didn't freeze over but I guess that lake did!
What's your preferred trout recipe? I imagine you make it worth it, having so much salmon on hand 🙂
I’ve never found a recipe I really like for trout yet
Tacos!
I put all my rainbows in the SMOKER!🙂
@@spiltmilt One of the better trout recipes is from Mario Battali, the disgraced former Iron Chef and restaurant owner. Might be possible to find video of him preparing it from his original TV show but basically you start by filleting the trout, remove the skin and I normally would also pull the side lateral bones using needle nose. In the mean time in a small pan slowly steep some fresh rosemary and garlic cloves in good extra virgin olive oil. Key is don't fry the garlic, keep the oil just warm enough to extract the flavor. Form a heavy duty foil pouch big enough for the fillet and then place thin sliced pancetta inside, follow up by placing the fillet over it and before closing the pouch add about a dozen quality brined olives(the type with pits still in them) along with drizzling the entire fillet with the rosemary and garlic flavored olive oil. You won't need to add much salt because of the saltiness from the pancetta and olives but black pepper is definitely a good addition. After sealing the pouch place it on a charcoal grill with soaked wood chips added and that will be hot enough to be able to fry the pancetta inside the pouch and cook for at least 20 minutes. For a bigger fish like the one you kept it will likely will take a good 30 to 35 minutes to be able to cook it through. This recipe is also good for Kokanee but making culinary comparisons for the two is kind of unfair since properly harvested Kokanee is the best eating fresh water fish, at least of all the different species I've tried. Watching your excellent previous videos on harvesting Kokanee properly I know you already understand how crucial that aspect is for either trout or Kokanee....if you plan to eat them.
I wonder how much the natural scent of the corn plays a role. Would be interesting to use small unscented beads, do one unscented, one with a corn scent, one garlic, and one trout scent. See how that goes.
I can only legally run two rods at a time.
@@spiltmilt the rainbow scent tournament. 😁
Hey Tyler,
Was your corn cured or not.
Just curious.
Thank you
Not cured
What is the exact model number of your Helix 5 G2
Its not a G2 its a G3 Humminbird Helix 7 G3 SI/GPS: amzn.to/3H61XWn
Ok. I'm buying my first fish finder. Is it worthwhile to have DI or SI for ice fishing exclusively
I think garlic will get fish to bite longer I believe
You have some good videos and editing but have watched 3 videos and in none of them did you show or mention your lines, lures, dodgers, or poles. You catch them well but people view to learn your techniques and skills. (which are admittedly good) I hope you can correct this so myself and others will suscribe.
I don't use any dodgers in this video nor lures.
Really had to keep a trout that size? Smfh prolly won’t even eat all that💀
Its a hatchery fish put there to be harvested. Take it easy Francis.