The Benders were a lovely family all round. I worked with 'Steve' Bender (Ronnie's brother ?) & his son Terry back in 1972. They were all straight down the line people.
Ray totally agree with your school of thought on this subject , all things considered if they hadn't got the bird doubt they would of seen 1970 .God bless ray 🙏
Ray..I grew up in Barclay Close, the first block..Tony Lawrence, was the father of my mate, Stephen...they lived in the second block, behind the first block (you know that, coz you went there, to see him)..Stephen was a good mate of mine, growing up..(and if you read this, God bless, Stevie).people don't realise what Fulham used to be like.. gangster alley, back in the day..the east end ,think they invented gangster London..Bindon was one of many, as you know..🧐
West London Fulham Wandsworth all our sides we were the best gangster Tony Lawrence was in my eyes one dangerous man with a No1 gangster firm Richardson No Stephen and his sister Tony thanks and respect big love mate
I've been thinking the same thing for years Ray, why would Forman risk doing a life sentence doing Mitchel for the Krays? I think it must be down to fear, what else could it be?
I'm not gay Ray but I love you mucker. Your the most consistent podcaster out there. Every day a new story. There interesting, there pld school. I love it mate.
Look at mike tyson what he did to teddy atlas niece and teddy put a gun to hes head plus he’s other victims he was found guilty of if he was a normal fella no one would want any thing to do with him but every one is up he’s arse certain people get away with things bruv.
They kept their secrets amongst their boys & gay lovers, they didn't behave that way outside, well Ronnie did, but Reggie hid it the best he could from the firm.
hi Ray mate hope you are good. maybe it was a loyalty thing with them Ray. when they all got nicked they should off had nothing to do with them they got them all nicked so the would not be on there own. so they should of had nothing do to with them let them be on there own .take care mate.
Very interesting about the Krays. I’ve always wondered why people put up with their paedo behaviour. I guess they were powerful and quite wealthy and the firm were all on good pensions- more than they’d get elsewhere. Foreman and his pals was going to do them out cos they were landing him in it all the time, not cos of their sexuality.
Must off been fear ray...but I've always wondered why they got the respect they did..I mean imagine them throwing there weight around in America back then or anywhere for that matter say Bulgaria or Thailand the krays littarally would have lasted 2 minutes..I know they came as a pair n a bit nutty but only takes 4 lads go grab em n that's that..I know they appeared too move on higher circles but those higher circles didn't help em at crunch time did they..but yh 20 years later wouldn't off been anyone not being rude but even yourself would have pinged em both across the room lol..cheers ray
@@hod2116 yh course that why I said must been the fear off the brothers they got there reign...but imagine them now or shortly later...so as ray mentioned why did they get such fear...cheers
@@jshaw4757 I don't know I grew up in Essex and a couple of my mates had moved out of the east end and my mates mum said they was always respectful and asking if they was ok and my mates nan got up and walked out of the cinema because the krays mum swore in the film which apparently she never did so I'm guessing they also had the backing of the locals
Think Foreman was exaggerating a bit when said he was planning to do the twins himself but it was definitely being discussed, they were bringing it on top by being reckless so any number wanted to off them Ray
Yes that got Fred Foreman to do all there dirty work but in the end Fred was gonna do them I no big companies that will do same if you get to heavy with them
Just think your mate jimmy tippet let his son speak to Reggie kray when he was in prison and he asked him to send him a picture in speedos. Steve wraith used to speak to one of them and he said he wanted to take him on a cruise and he kept speaking to him. Sickeningly enough my dad got a teddy knitted for me from Ronnie when he was in Broadmoor when I was a baby🤮
@@bangbangrayhill2218 he said it on one of his podcast maybe Shaun attwood or bullet productions can't remember. He also said reg sent him to meet his bf at a train station
Gangsters let some people get away with things turn a blind eye if it benefits them plus in those days when the twins were up to all that it wasn’t so heard about all this nonce stuff there’s a Billy frost interview where he walked in on Ronnie doing some disgusting stuff to a youngen and Ronnie went mad at him and told him to F off and mind he’s own buisness.
Wow mate yes it was more excepted in those days but honest not speaking like a hard mad man but I would of cut his balls off that's just in me respect for your comment big big respect for that
@@neil6644 your right it was Lenny, I can see the interview in my head now, the other comment confused me when he said frost, I thought I might have got the bloke wrong, but I was right about it being reg 👍
To be fair, much is said about the krays after they have gone, not whilst they were alive. Bit cowardly in my book. Nobody made the people in the so called firm to stick around. If I'm totally honest, I'm from Stoke-on-Trent and the mining boys from around here would have eaten the so called London hard men for breakfast. No two ways about it. Just a bigger city always in the papers.
I read that chris lambrianou was a ponce and lived off working girls who he had in flats in Birmingham i think it was so a man that lives off women isnt realy bothered about victims is he ray ?
Ronnie bender run Chelmsford prison and suffered no fools that’s a fact …stop talking bollocks about people that have passed on and no longer here.because you couldn’t tie their laces ray let be honest.
Ronnie Bender was my mate never run him down So what you talking about you don't no me if you did you would be abit carful in what you say again Ron was my mate
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The Benders were a lovely family all round. I worked with 'Steve' Bender (Ronnie's brother ?) & his son Terry back in 1972. They were all straight down the line people.
Well said bang..bang..from all scotland..
Scotland thanks proper men up your end big respect and thanks for support
Ray totally agree with your school of thought on this subject , all things considered if they hadn't got the bird doubt they would of seen 1970 .God bless ray 🙏
Agree wholeheartedly with you Ray.
Ray..I grew up in Barclay Close, the first block..Tony Lawrence, was the father of my mate, Stephen...they lived in the second block, behind the first block (you know that, coz you went there, to see him)..Stephen was a good mate of mine, growing up..(and if you read this, God bless, Stevie).people don't realise what Fulham used to be like.. gangster alley, back in the day..the east end ,think they invented gangster London..Bindon was one of many, as you know..🧐
West London Fulham Wandsworth all our sides we were the best gangster Tony Lawrence was in my eyes one dangerous man with a No1 gangster firm Richardson No Stephen and his sister Tony thanks and respect big love mate
Big Up Ray did you not bump into them anywhere? Seasiders
Nice one again Ray 👌
Plain talking love it ray 👍
Respect thanks mate that's the best
Freddie foreman said there was talk about taking the Krays out.
Good 👍 video Ray have a great 👍 day.
I've been thinking the same thing for years Ray, why would Forman risk doing a life sentence doing Mitchel for the Krays? I think it must be down to fear, what else could it be?
I'm not gay Ray but I love you mucker. Your the most consistent podcaster out there. Every day a new story. There interesting, there pld school. I love it mate.
Did you ever visit america?
Was ronnie kray, really a nutter, or was it all for show ray, let me kno buddy, ur opionon X
Look at mike tyson what he did to teddy atlas niece and teddy put a gun to hes head plus he’s other victims he was found guilty of if he was a normal fella no one would want any thing to do with him but every one is up he’s arse certain people get away with things bruv.
Why didn't you top the twins then?
They kept their secrets amongst their boys & gay lovers, they didn't behave that way outside, well Ronnie did, but Reggie hid it the best he could from the firm.
hi Ray mate hope you are good. maybe it was a loyalty thing with them Ray. when they all got nicked they should off had nothing to do with them they got them all nicked so the would not be on there own. so they should of had nothing do to with them let them be on there own .take care mate.
Yes you no how can thay be such arseholes to think krays never had a family yet thay take all there firm regardless
Very interesting about the Krays. I’ve always wondered why people put up with their paedo behaviour. I guess they were powerful and quite wealthy and the firm were all on good pensions- more than they’d get elsewhere. Foreman and his pals was going to do them out cos they were landing him in it all the time, not cos of their sexuality.
My sense is that being gay wasn't seen as better or worse that child molestation then. Not condoning the latter at all BTW.
Must off been fear ray...but I've always wondered why they got the respect they did..I mean imagine them throwing there weight around in America back then or anywhere for that matter say Bulgaria or Thailand the krays littarally would have lasted 2 minutes..I know they came as a pair n a bit nutty but only takes 4 lads go grab em n that's that..I know they appeared too move on higher circles but those higher circles didn't help em at crunch time did they..but yh 20 years later wouldn't off been anyone not being rude but even yourself would have pinged em both across the room lol..cheers ray
Do you not think people throw their weight about in those places some make it to the top others to the bottom
@@hod2116 yh course that why I said must been the fear off the brothers they got there reign...but imagine them now or shortly later...so as ray mentioned why did they get such fear...cheers
@@jshaw4757 I don't know I grew up in Essex and a couple of my mates had moved out of the east end and my mates mum said they was always respectful and asking if they was ok and my mates nan got up and walked out of the cinema because the krays mum swore in the film which apparently she never did so I'm guessing they also had the backing of the locals
Think Foreman was exaggerating a bit when said he was planning to do the twins himself but it was definitely being discussed, they were bringing it on top by being reckless so any number wanted to off them Ray
Yes that got Fred Foreman to do all there dirty work but in the end Fred was gonna do them I no big companies that will do same if you get to heavy with them
Respect and thanks mate
Frank was friends with there dad
They all end up skint and spend half there life in Nick I feel sorry for them I pity them
That's because they are not even very good at crime.
Just think your mate jimmy tippet let his son speak to Reggie kray when he was in prison and he asked him to send him a picture in speedos. Steve wraith used to speak to one of them and he said he wanted to take him on a cruise and he kept speaking to him.
Sickeningly enough my dad got a teddy knitted for me from Ronnie when he was in Broadmoor when I was a baby🤮
F all those lot thay ain't got a Clue who told you young Jimmy Tippett spoke to Reggie Hahaha what a load of 💩 his lieing no way
Respect and thanks mate
@@bangbangrayhill2218 he said it on one of his podcast maybe Shaun attwood or bullet productions can't remember.
He also said reg sent him to meet his bf at a train station
Gangsters let some people get away with things turn a blind eye if it benefits them plus in those days when the twins were up to all that it wasn’t so heard about all this nonce stuff there’s a Billy frost interview where he walked in on Ronnie doing some disgusting stuff to a youngen and Ronnie went mad at him and told him to F off and mind he’s own buisness.
Wow mate yes it was more excepted in those days but honest not speaking like a hard mad man but I would of cut his balls off that's just in me respect for your comment big big respect for that
actually his wrong, it was Reggie kray that Billy frost walked in on, not saying Ronnie weren't a nonse too, they both were, but Reggie hid it well.
@@neil6644 your right it was Lenny, I can see the interview in my head now, the other comment confused me when he said frost, I thought I might have got the bloke wrong, but I was right about it being reg 👍
@@neil6644 that’s right Lenny the geezer who Reggie burnt with the poker sorry me old mate.
To be fair, much is said about the krays after they have gone, not whilst they were alive. Bit cowardly in my book. Nobody made the people in the so called firm to stick around. If I'm totally honest, I'm from Stoke-on-Trent and the mining boys from around here would have eaten the so called London hard men for breakfast. No two ways about it. Just a bigger city always in the papers.
But Ray they weren’t peadophiles they liked young men 16 plus so yea it’s a bit wrong but still not peadophiles
You right but to give young boys what thay won't bribe them really then do unbelievable things to them mate there bad bad sex offender's
Respect thanks mate
I read that chris lambrianou was a ponce and lived off working girls who he had in flats in Birmingham i think it was so a man that lives off women isnt realy bothered about victims is he ray ?
One of one mate
Yes so right 💯
@@bangbangrayhill2218 good 👍 video Ray 😊
Ronnie bender run Chelmsford prison and suffered no fools that’s a fact …stop talking bollocks about people that have passed on and no longer here.because you couldn’t tie their laces ray let be honest.
Ronnie Bender was my mate never run him down So what you talking about you don't no me if you did you would be abit carful in what you say again Ron was my mate