By the time we got to the history of the animated films being veiled North Korean propaganda funded by a corrupt Italian production company…. the simulacrum of the original tragedy that was reached actually melted my mind
I'm just an enthusiast, but I've been researching and studying the disaster and ship for most of my life. I'm just here to do a little fact-checking on the real event since many people equate facts with the movies (which are pretty inaccurate). I'm just going to name a few of the bigger misconceptions frequently thrown around by these movies. 1. Titanic was not poorly made and no cuts were made to save money. Her rivets, for 1912 standards, were perfectly fine. She was built to the same standards as her older sister, Olympic, who survived the first world war and even rammed and sank a U-boat. When Olympic was scrapped in 1935, her hull was in great condition. 2. Titanic carried more lifeboats than required by British maritime law. The law for a ship her size was a minimum of 16 boats. She actually carried 20, but sank too quickly for all of them to be lowered by the davits as intended. There was never a time during the sinking when the ship was devoid of lifeboats- except for her final plunge. 3. Third class was never locked below decks, at least not intentionally. Those scary iron gates only existed to keep passengers away from machinery. Passenger barriers were usually waist-high gates, ropes, or plain doors. There was an emergency door connecting the grand staircase to Scotland road. If Titanic (1997) was accurate in this regard, Rose wouldn't have had to stumble around as much as she did. 4. Titanic was never built for speed and was never intended to break a speed record. She was going full speed the night she sank, but that was common practice for a passenger liner with a tight schedule to keep. They had not seen any danger and weather was perfect. Too perfect. It was actually that 'perfect' weather that caused the iceberg to remain hidden over the horizon in a cold-weather mirage. No ship of the time could have survived the damage Titanic received. 5. Personal gripe. I'm tired of these Titanic movies acting like third class passengers were treated like flea-ridden paupers housed in darkness. They had running water, heating, electricity, cabin stewards, access to a hospital, and three meals a day. They had clean, comfortable cabins with luxuries many of them likely had never encountered before. Their tickets were far cheaper than a first class ticket, but your average third class ticket would cost around $700 today per person. It was an expensive endeavour to travel across the Atlantic, and the White Star Line focused on making their shipping line the most luxurious choice with whom to travel. 6. In regards to the book Futility; or The Wreck of the Titan, while it is very similar, and was when originally written, to Titanic, many of it's creepiest similarities were retroactively added following Titanic's sinking. Titan was also not an Olympic class ship. 7. Bruce Ismay was not the villain. He was chairman of the White Star Line, inheriting the position after this father's death in 1899. He was an excited, but reserved, man with a passion for building ships bigger and better. With the Olympic class, he spared no expense. On Titanic, he was a passenger, not an officer. During the sinking, he helped lower lifeboats and nearly put himself in a panic trying to get everyone off. When he did leave the ship, and there's evidence Officer Murdoch issued him into the boat, he did so when the deck was very empty and seemingly all women were gone. He did not realise that hundreds of women and children were still on board, either on the port side of the ship or on the poop deck. He was made a scapegoat by an enemy of his who owned much of the American media, William Randolph Hearst. Ismay's life was shattered and he would never be the same man again. It's easy to blame him for everything, but no one is perfect and he was just a man trying to run his company as best he saw fit. At the time, Titanic was the safest vessel on the seas, and I'm not just saying that to be dramatic. Her safety features far exceeded anything any other shipping line could offer.
Still blows me away that the only piece of Titanic media I’ve seen that don’t do any of these things was the story I wrote when I was twelve and very autistic about the Titanic at the time.
1. I commend you for doing this long ass paragraph and mentioning the large amount of misconceptions Titanic has surrounding it. 2. I wish people would pay more attention towards the actual history instead of what the movies show. They are prone to inaccuracies. 3. I am so sick of seeing Ismay get vilified over and over again instead them actually showing what happened. 4. Honestly the lifeboats were less of a WSL problem and more of a Board of Trade problem I think. They exceeded the amount required when they added those 4 collapsables. The laws were out of date by that point of time and lifeboats were thought of a lot differently then they are now. 5. Would love to know how those scientist are gonna be able to tell rather or not Titanic rivets were bad by modern day standards when they are literally from 1912. The ship wouldn’t have past her sea trials otherwise. She was well built. Sometimes all it takes is one accident to mess a ship up so badly it sinks. 6. I think the problem 3rd class had was that most of them didn’t understand English, none of the less could read it. And Titanic was like a whole damn maze itself. I STILL have a hard time understanding the numerous floors and areas on the show and where they are located. If I can’t even tell what’s what, then I doubt that people who wouldn’t even be allowed in certain areas because of the class system at the time would’ve been able to. Otherwise no, they weren’t purposely locked below to die while 1st class lived. Hell most of the victims in 1st class were men considering only 4 women died and 1 child died from that class. Titanic to me is when the class didn’t so much matter simply because at the end of the day, everyone was at risk of dying regardless of their class. Class didn’t save Benjamin Guggenheim, Thomas Andrews, John Jacob Astor IIV, Isidor & Ida Straus, etc. (It’s definitely a whole new level of depressing to see only one piece of media about Titanic acknowledged that there was a black person aboard and that one piece of media acknowledgment was rooted in racism)
@@Rebelheart1985Also when the 3rd. Class women and children were told to go to the lifeboats they refused because how were immigrant women and children supposed to live without their men? They had no way of knowing the amount of charitable donations would be made on their behalf. One of which was set up by Molly Brown herself.
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I always was SO uncomfortable with how Titanic sinking became increasingly more and more commercialized and basically turned into an amusement park Even back when I was a kid it felt weird
My aunt’s mom was an extra for the film, she was one of the people who jumped off the boat. Apparently it was a really interesting experience and she is glad she did it!
If I had a nickel for every time this video blindsided me with a bit about 9/11, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
So I'm watching this 1.5 months after and it's almost at 30k views! So interesting the jump it made. I'm happy to see. I love this video. Can't wait for more deep dives.
J. Bruce Ismay wasn’t even a villain in real life. He was the chairman for WSL yes but he was also a passenger. He had the same rights everyone else did to try and survive. He was pretty much treated like a scapegoat over something he wasn’t even at fault for. He didn’t pressure Smith to speed up to get the ribbon, Titanic wasn’t even built for that. It was built for luxury to compete with Cunard Line’s ships at the time who did compete for the ribbons. Ismay helped to get multiple others leave the ship to the point he freaked out trying to get people off the ship. When he did leave it was near the end of the sinking.
I’ve recently spoken with one of his relatives, who has published a book about his life. I want to get a copy! I think it touches on a lot of this and tries, to an extent, to show another side of him which I think many others feel has been largely ignored.
This is such a good video! I didn’t realise how disrespectful and clumsy they were with the wreckage, and the story of the nazi titanic film is mental I can’t believe I’ve never heard of it. Really appreciate the time and research that must’ve gone into this, I can’t wait for what you do next.
Funny story, my grandmother accidentally bought me the n@zi titanic movie instead of James Cameron’s one when I was a kid. She found it on VHS in a charity shop and assumed it was that new movie that I had been talking about and bought it! I knew it wasn’t the new one as soon as I saw it, but I didn’t realise it was propaganda until I watched it and was very confused!
I cannot believe you did not include the objectively best Titanic movie in history, Ghostbusters II. I cried when the ship finally reached New York harbour.
I’m half an hour in, but would like to correct a very common misconception, and that’s that more lifeboats would have saved more people. Sad fact is more would have resulted in more deaths for a reason that makes sense: The lifeboats would only be lowered so fast, and they had very little time to do it. James Cameron himself participated in one demonstration of how much time it would have taken to lower a boat, and, even without it being an emergency causing panic, the resulting time wasn’t promising. Let’s use the analogy of elevators and a sky scraper. Let’s say you’ve got 2,000 people to evacuate from the top, and you have 100 elevator cars and 4 elevator shafts, and after you lower cars down each shaft, you can then use the cables to lower four more. Each elevator car can take down 20 people. Excellent! You’ve got enough, right? Just reload the 4 shafts 25 times and you’ve lowered all 100 elevator cars and saved all the people. WOOHOO!! But wait…each lowering takes 10 minutes, and you’ve got 2 hours. Well, fuck. Presuming everything goes smoothly, you’ve only got enough time to reload those 4 shafts 12 times. Everyone else is dead. But to make it worse, the you wouldn’t have lowered 12 since you’ve got to load passengers AFTER loading the cars in the shafts, and the people trying to get in would have been encumbered by having to get around the other cars that were waiting around to be loaded. And you might not have enough people who know how to load the shafts and lower the cars. At best, if people were magically in the cars as soon as they were loaded, you saved 48 cars’ worth of people, or 980 people, 1,020 were still dead. But realistically, you saved far fewer despite having enough cars. Studies have been done on the Titanic, and even if there were enough boats, there wasn’t enough time. As it was, there was one boat they didn’t manage to launch at all. And lowering the boats didn’t go smoothly. They had issues, like the 1997 movie showed. They had passengers reluctant to get into the lifeboats, which is a big part of why some of the early boats had so few people on them. Leave a nice, warm ship the media called *practically unsinkable* (that was actually in newspapers leading up to the wreck, not something White Star Line came up with later) for a small boat in freezing air on a moonless night? Heeeelllll no. A lot of passengers refused until it was too late. If anything, they actually had one more boat than they were even able to launch, and that boat is still in the davits at the bottom of the north Atlantic. Back to watching the rest of this video.
The boat being unsinkable was actually amplified after the disaster. Safety was a huge advertising aspect of the Titanic but the idea that it was unsinkable only used in one advert. They focused on its size, its luxury, and its safety. After it sunk, this one small statement became much more amplified simply because it had sunk. Everything you said about the lifeboats is absolutely true through. There was never going to be enough time to save everyone because the ship sunk too quickly.
Cheers for this and hope you enjoyed the video! However, I think the main point I want to stress here is not necessarily that more lifeboats would have saved more passengers; it's that the people who wrote these laws and subsequently those who made the design decisions on the Titanic were either outright ignorant of such a logistical challenge, or merely accepted it. A more fundamental reason why the Titanic (and ships like it) had so few lifeboats, was because it better suited the aesthetics and saved on cost that they could spend elsewhere. A slight comparison can actually be made to the construction of the Twin Towers: technically, the stairwells and fireproofing of those buildings were up to code. However, the writing of those safety regulations and the design of those towers were undoubtedly influenced by financial cost-cutting that ended up costing human lives. Bunching the stairwells in the core of the building and having no other fire exits meant you had more office space to rent, and lowering the requirements for fireproofing meant that skyscrapers could then be more financially viable to build. Basically, I think if we solely focus on certain details in hindsight, we are in danger of missing the bigger picture and excusing more nefarious forces at play. If more lifeboats wouldn't have made any difference, we should then question why such a ship was allowed to leave the dock in the first place, and it's likely because many of the people on it were considered expendable long before it left. Wish I had actually included this in the video so thanks xoxo - Ewan
@@ourewan It wasn’t ignorance on their part, but rather an understanding of how many boats could reasonably be lowered in a given time. Logistically, there was no way to enable enough boats to be launched faste enough without automation that didn’t exist. To have gotten down enough boats for everyone fast enough-optimistically, two boats her set of davits-the deck of the ship would have needed to be more than twice the length it was to have enough davits. The number of boats overall isn’t what matters here-it’s how many sets of davits that limits how many people can be evacuated from the ship. Since a ship that size wasn’t possible at the time, the alternative would have been to cut down the number of passengers by about half, which would have caused ticket prices to explode. But…this next part gets a new comment:
1:05:47 NEVER in my life would I have thought to be told about the history of the North Korean animation industry in a video about the Titanic LOL. Also, as someone who has been an enthusiast for The Titanic since my childhood days, I have to say that James Cameron‘s movie as well as Legend of the Titanic must have been my biggest influences and go-to points for when wanting to re-experience this story. But hearing about the grave-robbing that was done just shattered my idea of the Titanic story as I know it from my childhood. When I wasn’t rewatching either of the aforementioned movies, I would go on to read all about how the ship itself functioned in an interactive book made by Ravensburger. The idea that this ship is a final resting place for all that died on that fateful day, and that their belongings are still with them in that unreachable grave was heavily imprinted into my brain by the final double page of the book which shows the bow of the ship in the dark. So hearing about the events unfolding after the discovery back in 1985 truly blew my mind. Also, the fact that the Nazi regime could handle a whopping cost of 17 million Reichsmark for the prodution of the titanic movie (180 million as said in the video) so deep into the war in 1943 is truly mindblowing. No wonder they killey the director when he didn’t follow their orders.
Ok so, I literally wrote my Junior Year paper on this topic! I compared four different adaptations of the story (three films and the musical). So glad that I’m not the only one to find the sheer amount of Titanic films and fascination so interesting. Great Video!
Amazing video! Really outstanding! I was actually on the “expedition” in 1996 to raise the big piece from the wreck. I was a nine year old Titanic nerd and my grandparents booked passage on one of the cruise ships. Long story short I’m an absurdly lucky person and ended up taking my grandad’s spot. My thoughts on recovering items from the wreck has drastically changed since then and I’m mildly embarrassed on the whole thing. But I will say having spent nearly two weeks at the site that the historic nature of the location is profound. Either a man made notion of importance or a genuine stamp or pull by history, the place does carry more importance than a typical patch of ocean. Interestingly I got to know the grandson of one of the survivors (we were the same age) and we spent most of the journey playing video games and swimming. Oddly the people who paid so much to be there were far more captivated by the site than an actual family who literally lost a family member at the site. It was certainly the kind of spectacle that you speak of in the video
@@ourewan I would look into Great Lake Freighters, ships like the Edmund Fitzgerald, Carl D Bradly, Danial J Morrel, Bannockburn and More. the Great Lakes has over 6,000 wrecks and is the grave of 12,000 sailors
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I remember as a kid, having a field trip to the mall to see the Titanic artifacts/wreckage stuff. I was very young, so I thought they had just discovered it, and were now bringing it around the world for people to see. All the pieces looked like gold and treasure to me. They all had little price tags... and I wanted a beautiful piece of that history, so the person who died out in the middle of the sea, would see me taking care of it, and I'd be connected to them. I only had a dime in my pocket, though. I went to a private Christian school at the time, so I believed in heaven and hell and that they could see me looking at their belongings. The pieces were probably more like watches and kitchen stuff, maybe pewter stuff. I do remember rusty stuff. And they had probably had them awhile, it wasn't just discovered, this was very early 90's, before the movie. I was a tiny kid, my thought process was weird. It seems like such an odd memory to me now, but I know it's real. Anyone else remember anything like this? Malls having Titanic displays? I was born in 89, and I was old enough to walk around the glass displays in a line with all the other kids, looking at each artifact. So this happened somewhere between 89 and 97 when the movie came out. I was hoping he'd bring this up It drives me nuts I can't remember more about this memory, but this whole video, and the way people were vultures over the artifacts and wreckage, reminded me of it.
I do indeed remember some local museums in Orlando exhibiting some of the artifacts so you're probably not wrong :3 i think them being kept by museums is fine, the problem is UNESCO and the US government being so slow to act to protect the site from the corporation.
Love it when the algorithm picks up a creator who’s content I’m definitely going to enjoy! Great video, with an effective ending. Keep up the good work.
I’ve never been obsessed with the Titanic, but I did go to the museum experience. It was really cool, and sad, and immersive. They gave everyone a card with the name, age, and information on passengers and what their outcome was. It was pretty respectful and they didn’t make a circus out of the tragedy.
Bro, that was super comprehensive and I love the Titanic awards at the end. There was really only one chronological error that I found but still amazing job.
Phenomenal video! Can’t wait for this channel to blow up. It’s only inevitable considering how much effort you put into these videos. And your insight and production are sublime. You deserve all good things coming your way. Much love 🫶
As a descendant of a titanic survivor I can honestly say the obsession with this tragedy never ceases to amaze me. God forbid we not have a singing and dancing spectacle of this shipwreck.
29:16 To be honest, the not having enough lightboats for passengers thing is really sad but also would have not likely saved many more lives. The last two were allowed to just fall into the water in the hope that some survivors would be able to clig on The ship sunk so fast that even with the few lightboats they did have on board, they didn't have time to launch all of them. Therefore, even if the Titanic had enough lifeboats, a very similar number of people would died. The ship sunk far to quickly for them to all be set off in time.
Assuming that they would have been able to keep all of them from going down with the ship enough lifeboats for all would have saved a lot more people even as swamped collapsibles, its really not something you can discount
Other sinking ships got 5 lifeboats off in 12 minutes, sinking in 15. The difference was lifeboat drills and trained seamen. Titanic had neither. It took Titanic 45 minutes to get the first boat off, and it only had 12 people in a 65 seat lifeboat.
When I was a kid, reading about the Titanic was the initial spark that became my love of history. This video is definitely worth a sub. Really interesting stuff!
Thank You, my Brother!!! I thoroughly enjoyed how well you put this all together and broke it down. I've been studying the Titanic like a mad scientist for years and years, and I've learned so much more just now, thanks to you and this video. Great work!
I absolutely love these long-form, in-depth videos about particular sub-genres, or actors’ careers. I know they must take a really long time to complete, but I really do hope you keep making them. They are funny, informative and just an all-around blast to watch. And as someone who was inspired to become a filmmaker by watching the LOTR making-of-docs, I really appreciate you making a tribute to them. In short, thank you, Evan. Keep doing what you’re doing. ;)
Another W video concept man, cant watch it rn but as soon as I get home from work ill sit down and give it a watch. Keep up the good work, the yt struggle is hard but I can tell you have a talent for it.
This was amazing. A video that deserves a subscription. Great humor, excellent media analysis, wonderfully edited. You're going places dude, keep up the good work!
Recently found your channel and am OBSESSED!! The quality is so insane it’s astonishing these videos don’t have millions of views. Seriously, keep it up!!
I'm so glad youtube pushed your channel to me - all the videos I've seen from you so far are so well-researched and well put together, and I'm kind of shocked to see you at just under 6k subscribers, with the quality of your videos being so high. I'll be sticking around!
2:18 9/11 has a fanbase too. As an example, there's a post someone made on Tumblr(after they stopped to just randomly post bs stories for fun) about some teacher that got her students to make "9/11sonas"(still, debatable if it's real or not). I also once randomly came across some channel that was just entirely consisting of 9/11 videos. There was shit like 9/11 AUs, 9/11 facts, or 9/11 model builds. That channel had like 100k subs. So, 9/11 definitely has a fanbase too(for whatever fucking reason).
Loved this video! Had no idea there were so many Titanic films even before Cameron's! Loved your takes on the exploitation of a great tragedy. Thanks for the content, can't wait for what's next!
The intercut of the experts examining the Titanic objects with tumbleweeds blowing by just really hit my funny bone today. Every time I think about it, I start laughing again! I have tears in my eyes! Ok but seriously this is really good. Great work.
Thank you for mentioning the migrant crisis. Its truly a symptom of a real world problem that we here in the 'first' have turned a complete blind eye towards.
Man, this is not a video-essay, THIS IS A DOCUMENTARY!!! It is for these types of videos that I watch TH-cam, at the time I write this, this is one that clearly deserves more views, during my years in primary school, I had an autistic classmate (it was an special school, I'm an Asperger myself) who was obsessed with the Titanic, he once brought interactive book detailed about the ship , I don't know what he's doing right now, but if he knows english well enough, I hope he watches this video, because even the most studious on the subject should watch it, entertaining and informative. Obviously, I've seen Cameron's movie like almost everyone else, I don't even keep track of how many times I've seen it, but it really inspired me to find out more about the ship, it's an historical topic that I return to from time to time, apart from that, I think the most interesting films are the German Titanic and A Night to Remember, it is a shame that "Saved from the Titanic" is not recovered .I like that you touched on the topic of documentaries and not just the movies. One fact that I like to mention, in A Night to Remember, the actor Bernard Fox, he played the watchtower Frederick Fleet, he would later participate as Colonel Archibald Grace in James Cameron's Titanic. Another fact: a Titanic survivor saw James Cameorn's film, this is Eleanor Johnson, who was 18 months old when she traveled with her family on the ship, she said she enjoyed the film but there were several aspects of it very emotional (obviously). I must admit that when I was a kid and watched the movie, I used to cry during the scene of the musicians playing Nearer My God to Thee, in addition, Wallace Hartley's violin (the lead musician) was recovered a few years ago. "Gentlemen, it has been a privilge playing with you tonight".
Your channel is remarkably good. I've binged most of it and can see so much talent and passion. It's inspiring. Love this video and the Elvis one is an actual video essay masterpiece. You're really good at this and need to keep doing it!
One of the descriptions about the different viewing experiences of both classic films, "A night to remember" and James Cameron's Titanic, is this. A Night to Remember is what it would be like to open a time portal and watch the actual sinking happen. While the 97 film is what it would be like if you time traveled and were actually onbaord the ship.
the 1996 miniseries scrip by Ross LeMana was originally a very factually accurate one, but they hired a Soap opera writer ro rewrite it. Director Robert Lieberman was disappointed he could not film the original script but had to make do with what he had. The Cello heavy Score by Lennie Neihaus, who is known for orchestrating Clint eastwood's compositions is a highlight.
Have you gotten a chance to read the original script? I was SO disappointed that we didn't get that version. So many subplots with actual historical characters. And while we did get that with the Alisons, it used the wrong backstory for Alice Cleaver. I really liked the original script's focus on the Goodwins--we've never gotten an adaptation that is shown from the experience of a third class family.
Stellar video! I always kind of forget the massive cultural impact the Cameron film had. But then again, I was seven when the movie came out so it's been a while. I like that you highlight that society seems to be focusing on the upper-class passengers and image of it and barely acknowledging the lower class. If they do, it's sadly very broad stereotypes. And as you pointed out, those are the people who have access to give their stories meanwhile the non-upper-anglos are, at best, given a sentence or two. I hope someday we do get a miniseries that's an ensemble piece that tries to tell the story without romanticizing it and just highlights the passenger and such. Like each episode is dedicated to a different person. One could be about a third class passenger, one about an engineer, etc. etc. Again, great vid.
I just watched a community theater production of the 1997 musical (no relation to the Cameron movie), and it’s pretty similar to what you described! The main characters include members of each class, the engineers and captain, and some of the employees. They each get a big character moment song in the first act that gets reprised/referenced in the second act once the ship is sinking. It’s worth checking out if you can find a recording of it!
I legit laughed several times during this, you have a very good delivery. I can't believe you have so little subscribers / videos. keep it going bonus comment for the algorithm
I mainlined a bunch of your videos last night and just wanted to say thank you so much for making such interesting and well-written deep dives into the topics you've covered so far. I love these sorts of "Let's look at all of the things in this arbitrary category" type of videos, and yours are some of the best I've ever seen, no joke. The trick to doing these well is not just running through the material and commenting on each thing (although that's of course important) but making it feel like there's an interesting throughline to be drawn through all of it. You did that with your extensive research, analysis, delivery, and editing, and I had a blast watching all of them. This video especially is a really great take on how the story of the Titanic has evolved in both pop culture and just culture as a whole. Really happy to have found your channel, definitely subscribing. Thanks again for doing what you do and looking forward to more in the future!
Your channel has somehow hit the algo/blown up, so I just want to credit you for making the genius decision of intercutting A Night to Remember with the Titanic sinking, and that alone has earned a subscription.
Fantastic video! Went to wild insane place that really does encapsulates the roller coaster of the 20th century as a whole. Great work! I can’t wait for the next video 😊
Liked and Subbed the moment you had me cackling out loud at "Like life, the Titanic finds a way". Its been at least three minutes and I'm still trying to hold in the laughs. Solid video. cant wait to see more!
What a great video, the effort you put into your videos is incredible. It’s so clear you’ve done research, and the quality of your videos that I’ve seen are amazing. Keep up the great work, I can’t wait to watch more of what you’ll have to offer.
I just want to mention that Robert Ballard and his team had significant help from Jean-Louis Michel and his team from the IFREMER (Institut français de recherche pour l’exploitation de la mer ). Michel was heavily involved in the development of the sonar device that they used to find the wreck, the SAR. Even Ballard admits, that Jean-Louis Michel gets not enough credit for the discovery of the Titanic.
Just found out my parents (probably unintentionally) had their wedding on the 5th anniversary of the discovery of the Titanic wreckage, so I've kind of been celebrating that my whole life, I guess
My parents had their wedding on the 86th anniversary of the sinking (April 14, 1998). I distinctly remember that as a child going through my Titanic phase in 2009, I remembered it and Lincoln's assassination (we were visiting DC for the week) but my dad forgot that it was *his own anniversary.* Even though I went through a Titanic phase, the Titanic movie didn't really mean anything to me until after my mom's death- then, "My Heart Will Go On" became a symbol of the love I was born from that was, like Rose and Jack's, cut short. Not-so-fun fact: I later found out that my grandparents had their wedding on April 15, 1950, and my grandma passed away on her own 70th anniversary. I want to have my own future wedding on April 13 to carry on the tradition, but probably won't because no one has a weekday wedding so it would have to fall on the right year as well.
this was such a fun watch! because i’m one of the weirdos who is obsessed with the titanic (listen i was a neurodivergent child mass deaths just interested me) i knew most of these apart from the anime ones lmao, but this was still very entertaining. love your delivery
I'm surprised no one did a serious Violet Jessop biopic in order to do another Titanic story. Her book is worth a read, she was on all three of the sister ships - Olympic, Titanic and Britannic, and survived the sinking of the latter two. Her book is a straightforward, rather no-nonsense Edwardian retelling, but she seemed like a remarkable woman. I fear that the nuance of her story would be lost in sensationalist film making though.
By the time we got to the history of the animated films being veiled North Korean propaganda funded by a corrupt Italian production company…. the simulacrum of the original tragedy that was reached actually melted my mind
I'm just an enthusiast, but I've been researching and studying the disaster and ship for most of my life. I'm just here to do a little fact-checking on the real event since many people equate facts with the movies (which are pretty inaccurate). I'm just going to name a few of the bigger misconceptions frequently thrown around by these movies.
1. Titanic was not poorly made and no cuts were made to save money. Her rivets, for 1912 standards, were perfectly fine. She was built to the same standards as her older sister, Olympic, who survived the first world war and even rammed and sank a U-boat. When Olympic was scrapped in 1935, her hull was in great condition.
2. Titanic carried more lifeboats than required by British maritime law. The law for a ship her size was a minimum of 16 boats. She actually carried 20, but sank too quickly for all of them to be lowered by the davits as intended. There was never a time during the sinking when the ship was devoid of lifeboats- except for her final plunge.
3. Third class was never locked below decks, at least not intentionally. Those scary iron gates only existed to keep passengers away from machinery. Passenger barriers were usually waist-high gates, ropes, or plain doors. There was an emergency door connecting the grand staircase to Scotland road. If Titanic (1997) was accurate in this regard, Rose wouldn't have had to stumble around as much as she did.
4. Titanic was never built for speed and was never intended to break a speed record. She was going full speed the night she sank, but that was common practice for a passenger liner with a tight schedule to keep. They had not seen any danger and weather was perfect. Too perfect. It was actually that 'perfect' weather that caused the iceberg to remain hidden over the horizon in a cold-weather mirage. No ship of the time could have survived the damage Titanic received.
5. Personal gripe. I'm tired of these Titanic movies acting like third class passengers were treated like flea-ridden paupers housed in darkness. They had running water, heating, electricity, cabin stewards, access to a hospital, and three meals a day. They had clean, comfortable cabins with luxuries many of them likely had never encountered before. Their tickets were far cheaper than a first class ticket, but your average third class ticket would cost around $700 today per person. It was an expensive endeavour to travel across the Atlantic, and the White Star Line focused on making their shipping line the most luxurious choice with whom to travel.
6. In regards to the book Futility; or The Wreck of the Titan, while it is very similar, and was when originally written, to Titanic, many of it's creepiest similarities were retroactively added following Titanic's sinking. Titan was also not an Olympic class ship.
7. Bruce Ismay was not the villain. He was chairman of the White Star Line, inheriting the position after this father's death in 1899. He was an excited, but reserved, man with a passion for building ships bigger and better. With the Olympic class, he spared no expense. On Titanic, he was a passenger, not an officer. During the sinking, he helped lower lifeboats and nearly put himself in a panic trying to get everyone off. When he did leave the ship, and there's evidence Officer Murdoch issued him into the boat, he did so when the deck was very empty and seemingly all women were gone. He did not realise that hundreds of women and children were still on board, either on the port side of the ship or on the poop deck. He was made a scapegoat by an enemy of his who owned much of the American media, William Randolph Hearst. Ismay's life was shattered and he would never be the same man again. It's easy to blame him for everything, but no one is perfect and he was just a man trying to run his company as best he saw fit. At the time, Titanic was the safest vessel on the seas, and I'm not just saying that to be dramatic. Her safety features far exceeded anything any other shipping line could offer.
Still blows me away that the only piece of Titanic media I’ve seen that don’t do any of these things was the story I wrote when I was twelve and very autistic about the Titanic at the time.
1. I commend you for doing this long ass paragraph and mentioning the large amount of misconceptions Titanic has surrounding it.
2. I wish people would pay more attention towards the actual history instead of what the movies show. They are prone to inaccuracies.
3. I am so sick of seeing Ismay get vilified over and over again instead them actually showing what happened.
4. Honestly the lifeboats were less of a WSL problem and more of a Board of Trade problem I think. They exceeded the amount required when they added those 4 collapsables. The laws were out of date by that point of time and lifeboats were thought of a lot differently then they are now.
5. Would love to know how those scientist are gonna be able to tell rather or not Titanic rivets were bad by modern day standards when they are literally from 1912. The ship wouldn’t have past her sea trials otherwise. She was well built. Sometimes all it takes is one accident to mess a ship up so badly it sinks.
6. I think the problem 3rd class had was that most of them didn’t understand English, none of the less could read it. And Titanic was like a whole damn maze itself. I STILL have a hard time understanding the numerous floors and areas on the show and where they are located. If I can’t even tell what’s what, then I doubt that people who wouldn’t even be allowed in certain areas because of the class system at the time would’ve been able to. Otherwise no, they weren’t purposely locked below to die while 1st class lived. Hell most of the victims in 1st class were men considering only 4 women died and 1 child died from that class.
Titanic to me is when the class didn’t so much matter simply because at the end of the day, everyone was at risk of dying regardless of their class. Class didn’t save Benjamin Guggenheim, Thomas Andrews, John Jacob Astor IIV, Isidor & Ida Straus, etc.
(It’s definitely a whole new level of depressing to see only one piece of media about Titanic acknowledged that there was a black person aboard and that one piece of media acknowledgment was rooted in racism)
THANK YOU! This needed to be said!
Thank you so much oh my gosh I’ve been obsessed with this ship since I was 4 and I’m so glad to see people who actually know
@@Rebelheart1985Also when the 3rd. Class women and children were told to go to the lifeboats they refused because how were immigrant women and children supposed to live without their men? They had no way of knowing the amount of charitable donations would be made on their behalf. One of which was set up by Molly Brown herself.
I came here from your brilliant Elvis movie video.
I think this time next year you'll have at least a million subscribers.
Your videos are really well made and have such interesting premises behind them. I'm really enjoying binge watching all of them.
❤❤❤
Hang on
I did exactly the same tonight, watching one after the other. Ewan now has a new subscriber!
He deserves more attention!
I did the same thing 😊just finished the Elvis video . These are very well done
I've heard some crazy things in my life but the "we're going to raise the Titanic" theme song might take the friggin cake.
Great job on the video!
I always was SO uncomfortable with how Titanic sinking became increasingly more and more commercialized and basically turned into an amusement park
Even back when I was a kid it felt weird
The increasingly canted angle of your talking head segments 😭 so subtle lol. I’m so stoked to see more from you in the future
My aunt’s mom was an extra for the film, she was one of the people who jumped off the boat. Apparently it was a really interesting experience and she is glad she did it!
For…which film 😭?
....your grandmother you mean?
If I had a nickel for every time this video blindsided me with a bit about 9/11, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
"sir, a second video blindsided me with a bit about 9/11"
Im personally insulted this only has around 1k views. Your videos are so magnificently done, it's been such a treat finding them.
So I'm watching this 1.5 months after and it's almost at 30k views! So interesting the jump it made. I'm happy to see. I love this video. Can't wait for more deep dives.
Three weeks after your comment the view count stands at 44k
If you build it, they will come.
92k
It needed some work towards the end and propping up Lindsey Ellis videos is kind of stupid. 😆
126k now!
>make two of the best retrospectives on TH-cam
>refuses to elaborate further
>leaves
J. Bruce Ismay wasn’t even a villain in real life. He was the chairman for WSL yes but he was also a passenger. He had the same rights everyone else did to try and survive.
He was pretty much treated like a scapegoat over something he wasn’t even at fault for. He didn’t pressure Smith to speed up to get the ribbon, Titanic wasn’t even built for that. It was built for luxury to compete with Cunard Line’s ships at the time who did compete for the ribbons.
Ismay helped to get multiple others leave the ship to the point he freaked out trying to get people off the ship. When he did leave it was near the end of the sinking.
And he spent the rest of his life traumatized, and trying to use his money to help Titanic survivors.
I’ve recently spoken with one of his relatives, who has published a book about his life. I want to get a copy! I think it touches on a lot of this and tries, to an extent, to show another side of him which I think many others feel has been largely ignored.
This is such a good video! I didn’t realise how disrespectful and clumsy they were with the wreckage, and the story of the nazi titanic film is mental I can’t believe I’ve never heard of it. Really appreciate the time and research that must’ve gone into this, I can’t wait for what you do next.
+ the actual horrific war crime that destroyed the "set" by the Allies.
Funny story, my grandmother accidentally bought me the n@zi titanic movie instead of James Cameron’s one when I was a kid. She found it on VHS in a charity shop and assumed it was that new movie that I had been talking about and bought it! I knew it wasn’t the new one as soon as I saw it, but I didn’t realise it was propaganda until I watched it and was very confused!
This is the only TH-cam video to truly deserve to be called a "deep dive." Brilliant!
I cannot believe you did not include the objectively best Titanic movie in history, Ghostbusters II. I cried when the ship finally reached New York harbour.
I love that scene. When the guy says "Better late than never!"
That's a great little bit. 👍
@@rebeccablackburn9487the best part is that the guy was Cheech Marin from Cheech and Chong lol 😂
Greatest Titanic film ever
I’m half an hour in, but would like to correct a very common misconception, and that’s that more lifeboats would have saved more people. Sad fact is more would have resulted in more deaths for a reason that makes sense: The lifeboats would only be lowered so fast, and they had very little time to do it. James Cameron himself participated in one demonstration of how much time it would have taken to lower a boat, and, even without it being an emergency causing panic, the resulting time wasn’t promising. Let’s use the analogy of elevators and a sky scraper.
Let’s say you’ve got 2,000 people to evacuate from the top, and you have 100 elevator cars and 4 elevator shafts, and after you lower cars down each shaft, you can then use the cables to lower four more. Each elevator car can take down 20 people. Excellent! You’ve got enough, right? Just reload the 4 shafts 25 times and you’ve lowered all 100 elevator cars and saved all the people. WOOHOO!!
But wait…each lowering takes 10 minutes, and you’ve got 2 hours. Well, fuck. Presuming everything goes smoothly, you’ve only got enough time to reload those 4 shafts 12 times. Everyone else is dead.
But to make it worse, the you wouldn’t have lowered 12 since you’ve got to load passengers AFTER loading the cars in the shafts, and the people trying to get in would have been encumbered by having to get around the other cars that were waiting around to be loaded. And you might not have enough people who know how to load the shafts and lower the cars.
At best, if people were magically in the cars as soon as they were loaded, you saved 48 cars’ worth of people, or 980 people, 1,020 were still dead. But realistically, you saved far fewer despite having enough cars.
Studies have been done on the Titanic, and even if there were enough boats, there wasn’t enough time. As it was, there was one boat they didn’t manage to launch at all. And lowering the boats didn’t go smoothly. They had issues, like the 1997 movie showed. They had passengers reluctant to get into the lifeboats, which is a big part of why some of the early boats had so few people on them. Leave a nice, warm ship the media called *practically unsinkable* (that was actually in newspapers leading up to the wreck, not something White Star Line came up with later) for a small boat in freezing air on a moonless night? Heeeelllll no. A lot of passengers refused until it was too late.
If anything, they actually had one more boat than they were even able to launch, and that boat is still in the davits at the bottom of the north Atlantic.
Back to watching the rest of this video.
There's a reason lifeboats are launched by explosive yeeting now
Well done for the explanation! I vaguely remember hearing this explained earlier but “not enough boats” just seems to stick in the brain easier.
The boat being unsinkable was actually amplified after the disaster. Safety was a huge advertising aspect of the Titanic but the idea that it was unsinkable only used in one advert. They focused on its size, its luxury, and its safety. After it sunk, this one small statement became much more amplified simply because it had sunk.
Everything you said about the lifeboats is absolutely true through. There was never going to be enough time to save everyone because the ship sunk too quickly.
Cheers for this and hope you enjoyed the video! However, I think the main point I want to stress here is not necessarily that more lifeboats would have saved more passengers; it's that the people who wrote these laws and subsequently those who made the design decisions on the Titanic were either outright ignorant of such a logistical challenge, or merely accepted it. A more fundamental reason why the Titanic (and ships like it) had so few lifeboats, was because it better suited the aesthetics and saved on cost that they could spend elsewhere.
A slight comparison can actually be made to the construction of the Twin Towers: technically, the stairwells and fireproofing of those buildings were up to code. However, the writing of those safety regulations and the design of those towers were undoubtedly influenced by financial cost-cutting that ended up costing human lives. Bunching the stairwells in the core of the building and having no other fire exits meant you had more office space to rent, and lowering the requirements for fireproofing meant that skyscrapers could then be more financially viable to build.
Basically, I think if we solely focus on certain details in hindsight, we are in danger of missing the bigger picture and excusing more nefarious forces at play. If more lifeboats wouldn't have made any difference, we should then question why such a ship was allowed to leave the dock in the first place, and it's likely because many of the people on it were considered expendable long before it left.
Wish I had actually included this in the video so thanks xoxo - Ewan
@@ourewan It wasn’t ignorance on their part, but rather an understanding of how many boats could reasonably be lowered in a given time. Logistically, there was no way to enable enough boats to be launched faste enough without automation that didn’t exist. To have gotten down enough boats for everyone fast enough-optimistically, two boats her set of davits-the deck of the ship would have needed to be more than twice the length it was to have enough davits. The number of boats overall isn’t what matters here-it’s how many sets of davits that limits how many people can be evacuated from the ship. Since a ship that size wasn’t possible at the time, the alternative would have been to cut down the number of passengers by about half, which would have caused ticket prices to explode. But…this next part gets a new comment:
1:05:47 NEVER in my life would I have thought to be told about the history of the North Korean animation industry in a video about the Titanic LOL.
Also, as someone who has been an enthusiast for The Titanic since my childhood days, I have to say that James Cameron‘s movie as well as Legend of the Titanic must have been my biggest influences and go-to points for when wanting to re-experience this story. But hearing about the grave-robbing that was done just shattered my idea of the Titanic story as I know it from my childhood. When I wasn’t rewatching either of the aforementioned movies, I would go on to read all about how the ship itself functioned in an interactive book made by Ravensburger. The idea that this ship is a final resting place for all that died on that fateful day, and that their belongings are still with them in that unreachable grave was heavily imprinted into my brain by the final double page of the book which shows the bow of the ship in the dark. So hearing about the events unfolding after the discovery back in 1985 truly blew my mind.
Also, the fact that the Nazi regime could handle a whopping cost of 17 million Reichsmark for the prodution of the titanic movie (180 million as said in the video) so deep into the war in 1943 is truly mindblowing. No wonder they killey the director when he didn’t follow their orders.
Ok so, I literally wrote my Junior Year paper on this topic! I compared four different adaptations of the story (three films and the musical). So glad that I’m not the only one to find the sheer amount of Titanic films and fascination so interesting. Great Video!
I’ve wanted a deep dive on the Titanic cinematic universe for years, and now I’ve finally found it.
Oh god, what have I done?
Amazing video! Really outstanding!
I was actually on the “expedition” in 1996 to raise the big piece from the wreck.
I was a nine year old Titanic nerd and my grandparents booked passage on one of the cruise ships. Long story short I’m an absurdly lucky person and ended up taking my grandad’s spot.
My thoughts on recovering items from the wreck has drastically changed since then and I’m mildly embarrassed on the whole thing.
But I will say having spent nearly two weeks at the site that the historic nature of the location is profound. Either a man made notion of importance or a genuine stamp or pull by history, the place does carry more importance than a typical patch of ocean.
Interestingly I got to know the grandson of one of the survivors (we were the same age) and we spent most of the journey playing video games and swimming. Oddly the people who paid so much to be there were far more captivated by the site than an actual family who literally lost a family member at the site.
It was certainly the kind of spectacle that you speak of in the video
Love me some boats, love me some media analysis. You're humor and editing are really good as well. Top notch video essay!
Cheers! Getting massively into boats now
@@ourewan I would look into Great Lake Freighters, ships like the Edmund Fitzgerald, Carl D Bradly, Danial J Morrel, Bannockburn and More. the Great Lakes has over 6,000 wrecks and is the grave of 12,000 sailors
I have been frequenting TH-cam for some 10 years at this point and I am being completely genuine when I say this and your Elvis video are some of my favorite things I have ever watched. Don't lose heart man I am so sure you will sometime get the attention you deserve. Maybe that's not what you're worried about and I hope that's the case but regardless just wanted to portray just how talented you are. Look forward to anything else you create. Take care homie
Between this and your extensive Elvis filmography video, you've easily become my favorite film/history commentator. Love this!
I remember as a kid, having a field trip to the mall to see the Titanic artifacts/wreckage stuff. I was very young, so I thought they had just discovered it, and were now bringing it around the world for people to see. All the pieces looked like gold and treasure to me. They all had little price tags... and I wanted a beautiful piece of that history, so the person who died out in the middle of the sea, would see me taking care of it, and I'd be connected to them. I only had a dime in my pocket, though.
I went to a private Christian school at the time, so I believed in heaven and hell and that they could see me looking at their belongings. The pieces were probably more like watches and kitchen stuff, maybe pewter stuff. I do remember rusty stuff. And they had probably had them awhile, it wasn't just discovered, this was very early 90's, before the movie. I was a tiny kid, my thought process was weird. It seems like such an odd memory to me now, but I know it's real. Anyone else remember anything like this? Malls having Titanic displays? I was born in 89, and I was old enough to walk around the glass displays in a line with all the other kids, looking at each artifact. So this happened somewhere between 89 and 97 when the movie came out. I was hoping he'd bring this up It drives me nuts I can't remember more about this memory, but this whole video, and the way people were vultures over the artifacts and wreckage, reminded me of it.
I do indeed remember some local museums in Orlando exhibiting some of the artifacts so you're probably not wrong :3 i think them being kept by museums is fine, the problem is UNESCO and the US government being so slow to act to protect the site from the corporation.
I’m shocked by the sheer number of titanic movies, we’re so sick for cinema ☠️ amazing video
Everyone gets a Titanic movie!!
Yeah we need a Lusitania one
@@nanxyroseThere was a made for TV series about Lusitania, i’m pretty sure
@@ourewanyou get a titanic movie
You get a titanic movie, you get a titanic movie, Titanic movies for everyone
Love it when the algorithm picks up a creator who’s content I’m definitely going to enjoy!
Great video, with an effective ending. Keep up the good work.
I’ve never been obsessed with the Titanic, but I did go to the museum experience. It was really cool, and sad, and immersive. They gave everyone a card with the name, age, and information on passengers and what their outcome was. It was pretty respectful and they didn’t make a circus out of the tragedy.
Bro, that was super comprehensive and I love the Titanic awards at the end. There was really only one chronological error that I found but still amazing job.
My guy posted 2 banger videos back to back and bounced, I respect it
I promise I'm still alive - new video in the works as well!
@@ourewan let’s goooooooo!!!!!
Phenomenal video! Can’t wait for this channel to blow up. It’s only inevitable considering how much effort you put into these videos. And your insight and production are sublime. You deserve all good things coming your way. Much love 🫶
Please make more content! Your writing, production and delivery is lovely.
As a descendant of a titanic survivor I can honestly say the obsession with this tragedy never ceases to amaze me. God forbid we not have a singing and dancing spectacle of this shipwreck.
This video is so outstanding and I wish it had the views it deserves! Your Elvis video was also top notch
29:16 To be honest, the not having enough lightboats for passengers thing is really sad but also would have not likely saved many more lives. The last two were allowed to just fall into the water in the hope that some survivors would be able to clig on The ship sunk so fast that even with the few lightboats they did have on board, they didn't have time to launch all of them. Therefore, even if the Titanic had enough lifeboats, a very similar number of people would died. The ship sunk far to quickly for them to all be set off in time.
Assuming that they would have been able to keep all of them from going down with the ship enough lifeboats for all would have saved a lot more people even as swamped collapsibles, its really not something you can discount
Other sinking ships got 5 lifeboats off in 12 minutes, sinking in 15. The difference was lifeboat drills and trained seamen. Titanic had neither.
It took Titanic 45 minutes to get the first boat off, and it only had 12 people in a 65 seat lifeboat.
When I was a kid, reading about the Titanic was the initial spark that became my love of history. This video is definitely worth a sub. Really interesting stuff!
Thank You, my Brother!!! I thoroughly enjoyed how well you put this all together and broke it down. I've been studying the Titanic like a mad scientist for years and years, and I've learned so much more just now, thanks to you and this video. Great work!
I JUST REALIZED HIS CAMERA SLOWLY TILTS TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE HES SINKING LIKE THE TITANIC
You’re always one of my favourite TH-camr, please keep going
I absolutely love these long-form, in-depth videos about particular sub-genres, or actors’ careers. I know they must take a really long time to complete, but I really do hope you keep making them. They are funny, informative and just an all-around blast to watch. And as someone who was inspired to become a filmmaker by watching the LOTR making-of-docs, I really appreciate you making a tribute to them. In short, thank you, Evan. Keep doing what you’re doing. ;)
Another W video concept man, cant watch it rn but as soon as I get home from work ill sit down and give it a watch. Keep up the good work, the yt struggle is hard but I can tell you have a talent for it.
3:08: “and we have implemented a new safety ‘diiiiick’.” 😂😂😂😂😂 I can’t. I really was caught off guard by the way he said “deck.”
This was amazing. A video that deserves a subscription. Great humor, excellent media analysis, wonderfully edited. You're going places dude, keep up the good work!
That woman's question at the end hit me like an iceberg
I am disappointed the algorithm wasn’t kind to this video. This is awesome and super well researched!
this was literally the best most enchanting video essay i’ve watched in weeks you have an amazing style
Recently found your channel and am OBSESSED!! The quality is so insane it’s astonishing these videos don’t have millions of views. Seriously, keep it up!!
"It's the Oceangate Titanic experience!"
I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT'S A REAL LINE FROM THEIR AD
I'm so glad youtube pushed your channel to me - all the videos I've seen from you so far are so well-researched and well put together, and I'm kind of shocked to see you at just under 6k subscribers, with the quality of your videos being so high. I'll be sticking around!
One of the best videos on this subject I've ever seen!
2:18 9/11 has a fanbase too. As an example, there's a post someone made on Tumblr(after they stopped to just randomly post bs stories for fun) about some teacher that got her students to make "9/11sonas"(still, debatable if it's real or not). I also once randomly came across some channel that was just entirely consisting of 9/11 videos. There was shit like 9/11 AUs, 9/11 facts, or 9/11 model builds. That channel had like 100k subs. So, 9/11 definitely has a fanbase too(for whatever fucking reason).
Loved this video! Had no idea there were so many Titanic films even before Cameron's! Loved your takes on the exploitation of a great tragedy. Thanks for the content, can't wait for what's next!
stoked to have discovered your channel so early on. you’re gonna do great things and i’ll be here for it!
The intercut of the experts examining the Titanic objects with tumbleweeds blowing by just really hit my funny bone today. Every time I think about it, I start laughing again! I have tears in my eyes!
Ok but seriously this is really good. Great work.
Bro this channel is so good, keep videos like this up, you’ve earned a new subscriber. I love the way you analyze each film
Thank you for mentioning the migrant crisis. Its truly a symptom of a real world problem that we here in the 'first' have turned a complete blind eye towards.
Man, this is not a video-essay, THIS IS A DOCUMENTARY!!! It is for these types of videos that I watch TH-cam, at the time I write this, this is one that clearly deserves more views, during my years in primary school, I had an autistic classmate (it was an special school, I'm an Asperger myself) who was obsessed with the Titanic, he once brought interactive book detailed about the ship , I don't know what he's doing right now, but if he knows english well enough, I hope he watches this video, because even the most studious on the subject should watch it, entertaining and informative.
Obviously, I've seen Cameron's movie like almost everyone else, I don't even keep track of how many times I've seen it, but it really inspired me to find out more about the ship, it's an historical topic that I return to from time to time, apart from that, I think the most interesting films are the German Titanic and A Night to Remember, it is a shame that "Saved from the Titanic" is not recovered .I like that you touched on the topic of documentaries and not just the movies. One fact that I like to mention, in A Night to Remember, the actor Bernard Fox, he played the watchtower Frederick Fleet, he would later participate as Colonel Archibald Grace in James Cameron's Titanic.
Another fact: a Titanic survivor saw James Cameorn's film, this is Eleanor Johnson, who was 18 months old when she traveled with her family on the ship, she said she enjoyed the film but there were several aspects of it very emotional (obviously). I must admit that when I was a kid and watched the movie, I used to cry during the scene of the musicians playing Nearer My God to Thee, in addition, Wallace Hartley's violin (the lead musician) was recovered a few years ago. "Gentlemen, it has been a privilge playing with you tonight".
An absolutely incredible video. Thank you ever so much for making it!
Your channel is remarkably good. I've binged most of it and can see so much talent and passion. It's inspiring.
Love this video and the Elvis one is an actual video essay masterpiece.
You're really good at this and need to keep doing it!
One of the descriptions about the different viewing experiences of both classic films, "A night to remember" and James Cameron's Titanic, is this.
A Night to Remember is what it would be like to open a time portal and watch the actual sinking happen. While the 97 film is what it would be like if you time traveled and were actually onbaord the ship.
the 1996 miniseries scrip by Ross LeMana was originally a very factually accurate one, but they hired a Soap opera writer ro rewrite it. Director Robert Lieberman was disappointed he could not film the original script but had to make do with what he had. The Cello heavy Score by Lennie Neihaus, who is known for orchestrating Clint eastwood's compositions is a highlight.
Have you gotten a chance to read the original script? I was SO disappointed that we didn't get that version. So many subplots with actual historical characters. And while we did get that with the Alisons, it used the wrong backstory for Alice Cleaver. I really liked the original script's focus on the Goodwins--we've never gotten an adaptation that is shown from the experience of a third class family.
Stellar video! I always kind of forget the massive cultural impact the Cameron film had. But then again, I was seven when the movie came out so it's been a while.
I like that you highlight that society seems to be focusing on the upper-class passengers and image of it and barely acknowledging the lower class. If they do, it's sadly very broad stereotypes. And as you pointed out, those are the people who have access to give their stories meanwhile the non-upper-anglos are, at best, given a sentence or two.
I hope someday we do get a miniseries that's an ensemble piece that tries to tell the story without romanticizing it and just highlights the passenger and such. Like each episode is dedicated to a different person. One could be about a third class passenger, one about an engineer, etc. etc.
Again, great vid.
I just watched a community theater production of the 1997 musical (no relation to the Cameron movie), and it’s pretty similar to what you described! The main characters include members of each class, the engineers and captain, and some of the employees. They each get a big character moment song in the first act that gets reprised/referenced in the second act once the ship is sinking. It’s worth checking out if you can find a recording of it!
The audible "oh no" I gave when I saw that shot of the titanic next to the twin towers
So funny dude, I can tell you're gonna be popular! Keep it up
I legit laughed several times during this, you have a very good delivery. I can't believe you have so little subscribers / videos. keep it going bonus comment for the algorithm
I mainlined a bunch of your videos last night and just wanted to say thank you so much for making such interesting and well-written deep dives into the topics you've covered so far. I love these sorts of "Let's look at all of the things in this arbitrary category" type of videos, and yours are some of the best I've ever seen, no joke.
The trick to doing these well is not just running through the material and commenting on each thing (although that's of course important) but making it feel like there's an interesting throughline to be drawn through all of it. You did that with your extensive research, analysis, delivery, and editing, and I had a blast watching all of them. This video especially is a really great take on how the story of the Titanic has evolved in both pop culture and just culture as a whole. Really happy to have found your channel, definitely subscribing. Thanks again for doing what you do and looking forward to more in the future!
I am SO glad youtube recommended me your channel! This video is so cool! Loved the Elvis one too!
Your channel has somehow hit the algo/blown up, so I just want to credit you for making the genius decision of intercutting A Night to Remember with the Titanic sinking, and that alone has earned a subscription.
I cannot believe how deep with research you’ve gone! (Pun wasn’t intended) Wow! You’ve done god’s work!
love this video and the elvis one. hoping for more videos from you!
Fantastic video! Went to wild insane place that really does encapsulates the roller coaster of the 20th century as a whole. Great work! I can’t wait for the next video 😊
this video is my comfort watch
so glad i found your channel im going to be bingeing now
I just realized you only have 5k subscribers. That is insane. These are some of my favorite video essays I have come across in months!
Liked and Subbed the moment you had me cackling out loud at "Like life, the Titanic finds a way". Its been at least three minutes and I'm still trying to hold in the laughs. Solid video. cant wait to see more!
This is the sort of deep dive I love, great video!
This is going to be one of those videos that I’ll end watching like every year
What a great video, the effort you put into your videos is incredible. It’s so clear you’ve done research, and the quality of your videos that I’ve seen are amazing.
Keep up the great work, I can’t wait to watch more of what you’ll have to offer.
Mate your channel is unbelievable, been binging all your videos today. Going to blow up soon
You NEED to blow up honestly your videos are so good
Every couple months I load up this video a d the Elvis one. I love your style.
"TITANIC... - the Canadian 1996 miniseries"
absolutely killed me
Another amazing and thoughtful video - your content deserves a much bigger audience.
Wow this is such a great video. Excellent analysis and wit!
So happy to have found your channel. Got me watching Elvis movies and now this! Such fascinating video essays you do. Bravo and keep it up
I just want to mention that Robert Ballard and his team had significant help from Jean-Louis Michel and his team from the IFREMER (Institut français de recherche pour l’exploitation de la mer ). Michel was heavily involved in the development of the sonar device that they used to find the wreck, the SAR. Even Ballard admits, that Jean-Louis Michel gets not enough credit for the discovery of the Titanic.
I’m a big fan of old movies and this video is absolutely MAGNIFICENT. Please make more of these weird film history videos, I adore them.
My Heart Will Go On was the theme of my cousin’s wedding. It was appropriate.
Oof
Just found out my parents (probably unintentionally) had their wedding on the 5th anniversary of the discovery of the Titanic wreckage, so I've kind of been celebrating that my whole life, I guess
My parents had their wedding on the 86th anniversary of the sinking (April 14, 1998). I distinctly remember that as a child going through my Titanic phase in 2009, I remembered it and Lincoln's assassination (we were visiting DC for the week) but my dad forgot that it was *his own anniversary.* Even though I went through a Titanic phase, the Titanic movie didn't really mean anything to me until after my mom's death- then, "My Heart Will Go On" became a symbol of the love I was born from that was, like Rose and Jack's, cut short. Not-so-fun fact: I later found out that my grandparents had their wedding on April 15, 1950, and my grandma passed away on her own 70th anniversary. I want to have my own future wedding on April 13 to carry on the tradition, but probably won't because no one has a weekday wedding so it would have to fall on the right year as well.
this was such a fun watch! because i’m one of the weirdos who is obsessed with the titanic (listen i was a neurodivergent child mass deaths just interested me) i knew most of these apart from the anime ones lmao, but this was still very entertaining. love your delivery
Just discovered your channel and WOW I love your work. This and the Elvis video are single-handedly getting me through covid
Really good video! This is the second of yours I’ve watched, you’re a great content creator. I’m subscribed now!
Incredibly dope ewan, keep sinking us all lower
Such a great, thorough video! So well researched!
This is a genuinely great youtube video
I'm surprised no one did a serious Violet Jessop biopic in order to do another Titanic story. Her book is worth a read, she was on all three of the sister ships - Olympic, Titanic and Britannic, and survived the sinking of the latter two. Her book is a straightforward, rather no-nonsense Edwardian retelling, but she seemed like a remarkable woman. I fear that the nuance of her story would be lost in sensationalist film making though.
I shall be subscribing ♡ you are great at this! Excited for the next one
The production history behind the Nazi Titanic is more interesting than the actual plot itself.
Your videos are sooo gooood, come baaaack
your long form vids are fabulous! can't wait for more! :-)
loved this and the elvis vid. keep em coming!