I mean he didn’t just decide to become a monster He lost his wife then his daughter And that sent him into madness You can even talk him down if you pass the checks and skip the first half of his finale boss fight
Not just that, but he was also ignored by the gods he worshipped. Imagine losing all you love then when you ask the one thing you've sworn your life to for help and they ignore you. That's rough buddy
@@Skyline1235 thats why i dont like Seluna, always feel something off about her, especially her sending children alone into the wood in the middle of the night, let them find their own way home all by themself.
@@trangkieu8974gods in dnd are very different than gods from other universes. The gods in dnd were mortals who ascended by very... Different methods, her doing this it's a way to show them that you have to trust in the moon and let her guide you. Selune and Shar might or might have been mortal, it's something we would never know... Until we do. But her way it's that. Trust the moon while you are surrounded by shar domains(dark)
@@gabrielmiranda6147 they trusted, but Shar still took them away, what did Seluna do? Nothing. What did she do when her own daughter got snapped and enslaved by 100 years? Nothing really, and when Ketheric mourned his loss, she did nothing either, when i talked to God Gale and asked what does he do to aid his followers, he literally said nothing 😮💨. Well at least Shar and Myrkul got their asses up and do something i guess
@@trangkieu8974 Apparently there's only so much that the gods can do to intervene personally, due to the limits that the Overgod Ao set. Myrkul and the other Dead Two are somewhat exempt from this (given that they're all losers and the other gods know this), and Shar did jackshit personally herself, just simply made a point to psychically torture Shadowheart at any given moment.
@@isaacholstein6530 Been playing durge while trying to resist it, makes the main character interesting and it's also made so that many things in the main story are connected to him i def recommend it. Plus that dragon boi has the coolest design ever
@@isaacholstein6530I’d say it’s easier Orins boss fight is way easier the and the first reward for killing Alfira or the Dragonborn bard is pretty OP for melee based characters and you can get it at the very start of the game
(Spoiler warning) I thought I was the only one who would have rathered Ketheric be the final boss before the brain. His character, backstory, and demeanor are so much better than Gortash and Orin
I dunno, I think it worked. All the stuff with isobel has to happen after the fight. And having Ketheric right before the brain would diminish the brain fight. And orin is literally just the sidequest prelude to grandaddy baal anyway
@@deusvult6164 Honestly it’s fine. It’s essentially a villain scene played straight, but I think the Durge scenes (I’ve already seen them in videos on YT, and I don’t mind, unlike the violence against innocents in Durge runs; gonna need to purge myself of any good two shoes tendencies for that playthrough) are probably superior to the Tav scenes because they hold more actual personal/lore weight.
I don’t understand people seeking to like and forgive him. He was obsessed with his daughter, hated when she was happy without him, had no issue abducting her and using the love of her life to keep himself immortal. Father of the ***ing Century award, no less. Not to mention, hey, she was fine with dying, she was NOT fine being brought back forcefully, she was a Selunite through and through and he knew that, and was like, Whatever. Gods didn’t take anyone from him, his wife died from long term illness, and while we don’t know how his daughter died, I’m positive Selune did not kill her.
It’s not that most people are wanting to forgive or even like him. It’s that this whole storyline of his makes him feel far more like a real person. A real person with flaws and obsessions that were made more intense by grief, and that eventually led to him destroying himself and his loved ones. It’s often the mark of a great fictional villain- to write them in a way that makes the reader/player empathize with them, while still hating what they became. The point is really that what happened to him could easily break anyone- losing his wife, who he loved more than anything, and then later losing his daughter (and dog) on the same night, effectively meaning he lost absolutely everything. Also, he fell victim to Shar’s doctrine. She made him feel understood, and wanted, and he became more and more devoted to her as his grief grew and grew. Then when he decided to try and get back his daughter at all costs, Myrkul offered him a way to do it, in exchange for carrying out his bidding. At that point, Ketheric had become so twisted by his grief and darkness that he believed everything he had done and was going to do was justified as long as he got his daughter back. Obviously he was wrong, but it’s a compelling backstory to show how he came to be what he is in the current game. He also blamed Selune for letting his wife and daughter die, which, of course, isn’t exactly fair. The gods in BG3 tend to only be directly interested in mortals if they are actively useful to them. (Shar used Ketheric to build an army, Myrkul used him to try and overtake the world.) In Ketheric’s eyes, Selune abandoned him and his family despite all their faithful service to her. He lost his faith, and it destroyed him. So when he says the gods broke him first, that’s what he means. To him, each god he served saw him as a tool to be discarded in the end. You see that happen firsthand when Myrkul lets him die by the player’s hand. He is forsaken. None of that excuses what he did, but it does make it much easier to be invested in his character. Whether you hate him or empathize with him is up to you, and I imagine it varies based on the player’s personal experiences. Personally, I have had an intense crisis of faith and struggled with grief and depression in my past, and it’s not hard for me to understand the pain Ketheric felt. If you spend your entire life dedicated to a deity and then suddenly realize you are of no consequence to them, it can completely break you. For me, I had to become an entirely new person, and my world view changed. For Ketheric, he instead gave in to the grief and became lonely and bitter. It’s a great opportunity for roleplay in the game. For example, my two paladin characters both used persuasion to try and get him to stand down, using their knowledge of his past to convince him he wasn’t beyond saving. On the other hand, my Dark Urge character was so angry at Ketheric for his actions in their past that they didn’t even give themself a chance to try and understand him, they just killed him as soon as possible. And my bard character was disgusted by what he had done to the land and the people in it, that they didn’t offer him mercy because they didn’t believe he deserved it. His background and character gives lots of room for the player to react. TLDR: Ketheric is a compelling villain because his backstory is fairly easy to connect with and it makes his actions all the more interesting, giving the player lots of room for roleplay even if they despise him.
I get the feeling someone broke into their house and killed her. If you talk to Kethricks dog with animal speech she mentions that she died the same night Isobel did. If I had to guess it was Shar assassin's. Knowing that if Isobel died it would drive Kethric too her side.
@@fangwhiteclaw7089 I always thought it was an accident, cause if someone killed her, there would be no way he wouldn’t talk about revenge, like, not only did she die but I avenged her. And if he never found that person, he’d be bent on looking for them. But everyone present on that scene - Ketheric, their dog, Aylin - just said that it was a horrible day. But this also makes sense. Nice!
@@olgabahirkina1286supposedly there is cut/buried dialogue suggesting a convo with halsin would shed some light on how Isobel died, apparently implying he shifted and lost his cool when arguing with her about something. At least I remember reading that somewhere, and if its true thats likely been cut altogether from the game
Act 3 feels so bad simply because act 2 is so amazing: Ketheric is still a bastard, but you kinda get why. Everyone he loved seemed destined to die, or leave him. His daughter had falled for a divine being, his wife was dead, and his legacy was withering away. You find endless diaries and letters which all but tell you his entire life detail by detail. Then you get to act 3, and what do you get? Murder hobo 1, and 2. What are their stories? They're just dicks.
Yeah act 3 kinda dropped the ball on the main villains. Then again act 3 is also the one where you fullfill most of your companion quests so I guess I know where the writing effort went.
I think act 3 feels like that because some of the deeper bits occurred on evil runs. It's like act 1 and 2 have more in depth story telling for good alignment while act 3 had more for evil alignment
Honestly, encountering Ketheric as a character and villain felt like a completely different game altogether, as if the quality of storytelling just shot up big time. And then went down when I faced another power-hungry politician and some crazy murder bitch. Even their “gods” did not care much for them. Bane and Bhaal threw them away once they were of no use. But Myrkul, he seemed to actually be distraught by his chosen’s defeat and ACTUALLY did something about it. See? even the game knows they were worthless. Bane was just bullshiting about how he is unstoppable and something like that and just abandoned his chosen to the next idiot that came to ask., while bhaal cried bloody tears like a baby.
How many old is Isobel since she had that family portrait for a hundred years? She’s a half elf meaning that just like her dad, Shadowheart and Jaheria meaning that she ages slower than most humans, tieflings and half orcs
Like Jaheira chronically she's over a hundred years old but the difference between appearance is because due to the fact that Isobel actually died at an early age. Probably like in her thirties and then was revived by Ketheric and Balthazar 100 years later. So she's older than Jaheira by like maybe 20 more years total but she looks younger cause she was revived the way she looked back then
No one talks about this scene because it’s really complicated to get lol. You have to betray the grove, which is an evil thing to do, and then betray Marcus in act 2, which is a good thing to do.
I was wondering when does this seem trigger because I knew it existed but I didn't know if she was going to show us when we came to confront her about the truth or what.
Who else thinks that ketheric deserved to be the last of the 3 big villains to beat? Because Gortash and Oran feel Pathetic conpared to him Like Oran isn't even the strongest is his own cult and Gortath is the most pathetic villain in the whole game,the giant spider in act 1 was more intimidating than that guy
Idc what anyone says, he made himself a monster so his daughter could live again to hate what he became and that’s coming from someone be tried to kill XD he’s a dad through and through ✊
Yeah bullshit there is no accidentally killing anyone in this game because you can fucking reload; not only that, but it is very difficult to kill someone accidentally unless you purposely ignore the fact they are nearby when you cast an AOE spell
she is just ungrateful daughter. katheric tried to become shar worshiper to release his pain but cannot. and tried to be myrkul worshiper to resurect her, but yet all he got is betrayal from his own daughter. after all he did for her, he got nothing. she choose a lesbian moonwitch daughter over his own father that loose a lot just to resurrect her. ungrateful brat😢
Ketheric deserves sympathy but Isobel is definitely not wrong about him becoming a monster. You know what he did once you “reunite” them? He fucking tadpoled her like any other slave and erased her will. Grief and despair do that to people. He is clearly no longer sane.
Kinda. But here's his daughter feeling abandoned by him because he abandoned being the man she loved and his wife loved. There's a letter his dying wife wrote that she hopes to reunite with him in Selunas afterlife, something he cannot do after all he's done. So in a certain way he has abandoned her too. And he knows it, try talking about his wife and redemption with him, he knows there isn't any.
@@davidlopez6517 Kethric loves isobel but he doesn’t respect her as a person. He becomes evil to revive her, then he kidnaps her girlfriend and tortures her, and then participates in a plan to basically destroy the world. All things isobel would obviously not be okay with. Kethric just wanted isobel alive, he didn’t care if she was happy while alive.
Exactly. I meant Ketheric and knew there were two more bad guys like him. But when I saw Gortash and Orin, I was like who the hell are these two babbiling idiots.
@reffa2858 on point comment. Kethric commanded respect. From the moment he was introduced with the goblin attacking him, his motives for evil, his tragic story. Gortash was just a sniveling politician and Orin was a cartoon villain
@@davidlopez6517 the cool thing about papa k was that I found out about his life before I even meant him. Page by page, person by person. But you quickly learn almost immediately that the other two are a lying politician and a gore-gasm murder babe. Act 3 feels really rushed the more I play it.
@reffa2858 so I didn't even learn about him until my second playthrough. The game told me he was immortal and I thought by going to moonrise, I'd start a fight I could not win. I completed the entierty of shars temple and didn't even know going to moonrise was an option. I was playing TOO smart lmao
Agreed. He should have been the Final Boss of the three. He was a surprisingly & disappointingly easy mini- Boss to finish. The Gortash fight is annoying until you figure out the concussion grenade traps give you handy thrown weapons.
Dark Urge is the best way to play this game. Not for its messed up ways in killing innocent people or the like, etc. But because it’s really a story about redemption and having friends along with you to help you recover and get through whatever trials and tribulations lay ahead for the Durge character. The redemption run is the best and opens soooo much more dialogue and interactions with NPCs and team members. You get to know a more personal side of your team’s characters and realize that you are all on this redemptive path as well. (Should you choose) Gale reminds me much of myself when I was a drug addict for many years in the past. The things he says, his shame and guilt, are very much alike what a recovering addict would say. Thank God for friends, good friends. Isolation is only torture even when you think it’s not. It’s really an escape from pain, but it only leads to more pain in the end. We need friends to help us get back up and be there to emotionally support and empower each other. Isobel mentions Ketheric began to isolate himself in his grief. The rest unfortunately is what unfolded
Good for you for staying clean. It's not easy. I've lost friends to overdose. Friends I tried to help when they were trying to get clean, but who ultimately pushed me away. Keep going. One day at a time.
@@louisfill849 The Urge itself will still try to kill, even if you try to fight it. That's the point of resisting it. To fight against your killer instincts and be a better person than the monster you once were.
In my case, i have to left the tieflings died so marcus apears in las light instead of mol, later you have to speak with him on isobel's room, fight with him, and later isobel speak with you (In that case you wont see the scene of isobel's ritual)
Orin: kill kill kill haha kill Gortash: i'm nothing without my steelwatch, plz obey me i'm bane's chosen Ketheric: there is no penance or redemption for what i have become, but i will do anything in my power to see my isobel once again, even if it cost me my soul and whole faerun
Ketheric and Raphael are the BEST bosses in the game. Ketheric because he was really a hurting man deep down. Raphael because hes just a really cool dude lol.
I actually got a bit pissed when the Nightsong interrupted my therapy session with Ketheric and then pulled his head later. Like, I get it, but isn't this thing supposed to be the child of a benevolent goddess that goes out of her way to bring back what was lost to her on other occasions (especially in-game)? But no, let's just prevent the possibility of bringing one of Selûne's greatest worshippers back to her light because "wahh, my immortality sucked for a hundred years"
@@DISTurbedwaffle918I find Aylin to be one of the most toxic characters in the game. Her sheer stupidity at the times astounds me. On top of being stupid, she also disrespected one of her mother's greatest worshippers by seducing his daughter. And she was surprised that when people lose everything that matters to them(and everyone that matters) and their goddess not only allowed, but her daughter also played a part in this suffering, they tend to become vengeful. If only i could save Last Light while cutting Aylin's head off and convincing Ketheric to join us, possibly even giving us intel on Orin, Gortash and parasites. I suspect he knows a lots about that.
@@HanithSVK Aylin and Isobel had a very negatively stereotypical same-sex female relationship. There's definitely a sense of an abusive power figure dominating a submissive abuse victim dynamic. Turning Aylin in to the Wizard in Act 3 would be the ideal ending for it, if the action didn't harm Isobel as well.
@@DISTurbedwaffle918 I agree with u 100%. I did not want to say it out loud, cause this comment may cause a serious backlash from LGBTI-crazed people, but if all same-sex relationships looked like this... then i am very, very, veeeeeeeery glad that i am not a part of this group, being straight and all.
I've literally never had this cutscene before. Dude, this game just gets deeper and deeper the more you play it. No wonder it took so long to come out. Respect.
The tieflings have to be dead because Marcus has to be the one you vouches for you when you arrive at Last Light. You then talk to him in Isobel's room and play along with him when he talks about his kidnapping plan. Then warn Isobel about Marcus's plan. Then select the "thank you" or "is there something else I should know" dialogue when speaking to her.
@@omegagilgamesh At that point it only depends on if you send Isabel with Marcus or not. That will equally change how things play out with or without the tieflings.
I got it on my evil play through. I killed the grove and druids and Halsin, when I got to this settlement Marcus appeared to vouch for me so I can get in. After I went upstairs, Marcus asked me to help him get Isobel, but I decided to attack him instead, after that she gives this cutscene.
Thanks, I must try this in the next playthrough.. over 950 times of playing and I still find that BG3 always have something to surprise me.. best rpg game ever played
@@PinkPixelBunnyLol, What? On my good run I prevented her kidnapping and that never happened 😢. Now, I'm on my evil run, I helped Marcus and less could see this scene hahaha I think this is new😮
@@PinkPixelBunny I have to check, but it's probably no longer saved. I'm already starting the act 3 hahaha 🫠 Today, I went back to act 2 for a moment, to talk to Yurgir's corpses bed 😂 I didn't know that was possible. I think this account uploaded it too
People saying Act 3 is worse than Act 2 because Ketheric is a better villain have never really gone through Gortash's situation, they almost definitely didn't find Orin's parents either (and probably haven't played Durge and done either, which adds even more depth but Durgetash is a whole different beast)
There are 7 different origin stories beside the custom origin stories. You can’t expect most people to play as a Sith. When most gamers prefer to be the hero.
@@endershepard7117but you also can’t expect to get all of the depth of every character while only playing Tav. I think that’s what they’re saying. It goes both ways.
@@Tazazak I just experienced some incredible depth as Paladin Oath of the Ancients Karlach. In order to save and redeem Nere I ended up accidentally becoming an Oathbreaker in the process. But here’s the thing… I’m not sure if I became considered an Oathbreaker because I deceived and betrayed the Duergar Elder Brithvar or not bringing back Nere’s head to the Myconid Sovereign?! I was just trying to be like the greatest hero of all-time Luke Skywalker who succeeded at doing the impossible. By saving and redeeming his greatest nemesis Darth Vader. It just goes to show you that sometimes redemption can come with unexpected consequences and perhaps too high a cost.
@@endershepard7117 [Spoilers for Cazador's quest in act 3] I went through something similar with my Oath of Devotion paladin! For roleplay reasons, I chose to kill the vampire spawn in the cages, since releasing thousands of hungry vampires could lead to catastrophic results and killing them should be the most merciful thing a typical paladin could do. But... It broke my oath. Which is fair, I killed people without giving them a chance to fight. I don't know if it broke my oath cuz they are innocents according to the game mechanics or if it's cuz I said I'd free them (in my head, a paladin saying that they would "free" a vampire doesn't necessarily mean they'd release them). I accepted it nonetheless, my game experience was elevated! It was my first and only oathbreaking in that playthrough and it was meaningful, relevant! (Sorry if my grammar isn't the best and if I ranted too much)
@@boboli3725 you spoke well. Thank you for sharing your Oathbreaker Story with us. I haven’t been this caught off guard in a Open-World RPG kinda game since playing Skyrim back in 2011. When the Daedric Prince of the Dawn - Azura booming disembodied thunderous voice starting speaking to me from the heavens. Outta nowhere. Right after I picked up a legendary magical weapon. I felt like I was Perseus in the OG Clash of the Titans being spoken too and given an assignment by a goddess! This is the power of video games! This is why the Video Game 🎮 Industry is the highest earning entertainment industry on the planet! We can have such psychologically rich experiences like this. That really cause us to question how rash we are to make vows. I got my Channel Oath Charge reinstated. But now every time any NPC ask me to promise to do this or that for them. I rarely ever outright agree to do as they request.
With all the updates that they're doing, I really wish they would beef up the third act a little bit. I mean look at how much backstory kethric has carlock did not get a good enough story. Wylls story is sparse and the third act is lacking camp related cutscenes and just I don't know a spark that the first two acts are missing
Agree. I’m in act 3 right now and even though there’s a lot more places to explore and quests to complete (feels overwhelming tbh), it just doesn’t hit the same as the first two chapters :( it just feels like it’s missing something
i got this last night! not sure if its required to get this to trigger but: grove was dead so marcus was there, i chose to attack marcus before talking to isobel, and after the fight she talked to me after the jaheira moment
I’ve never seen this cutscene but I love her and this whole redemption arc there’s like 3 in one story line lol it’s so great like you can save so many people or doom so many!
If you think that’s something. Mass Effect 1 is over 16 years old and I just recently saw a dialog tree with Commander Shepard and Gunnery Chief Ashley Williams that I never knew of before!
I never felt much sympathy for Ketheric. For a simple reason. He knows an afterlife exists. If he'd stayed a Selunite, he would have reunited with them in the afterlife. He also had family besides his daughter and wife, so he didn't have to be alone in life. He chose self-pity instead of just... idk... waiting it out? Turning away from his wife's goddess kind of guaranteed that he would forever be separated from them.
Spoiler if you don't know all his backstory The man loses his wife, and then his daughter. Shar manipulates him, while he is vulnerable and desperate, to capture and torture her sister(Selune)'s daughter, the love of his daughter's life and his last connection to her. In his pain, he found himself used by Shar, coerced into abandoning his faith in Selune, and in his allegiance to Shar, he truly lost everything. Left with nothing but loss, He turns to Myrkhul, who gives him back his daughter, only for the century of grief and decay to leave her father unrecognizable to her. Such a beautifully tragic character.
SH is right that shar is petty af, selune let the mortals act by their own will including her daughter, then we have shar that always consider herself as the part of everything in her disney club house member's life, hell even when ketheric betrayed her and worship myrkul, she still tell shadowheart to kill him instead of letting it go And ofc if you rescue SH parents and turn her away from shar, she still hurt SH, what a f*ckin b*tch of a goddess
I don’t like act 2 that much because it’s a little more difficult to find all the content (and the environment is trying to kill you at all times), but wow kethric thorm is such a cool villain and has so much character to him. I really wish it was possible to redeem him.
I wish there was a dialouge option to give Isobel the note that Kethric carried with him. To show her that he didn't become evil just for power, but to get his daughter back.
@@iamboringvideos6832 in order to get this dialogue you have to side with the goblins in order for marcus to vouch for you. you then have to speak to him for him to tell you his plan. THEN you speak to isobel and tell her everything. theres a dialogue option where you can get this - i think it’s “is there anything else i need to know” or something like that
@@iamboringvideos6832 you have to do an evil play through, you have to kill the entire Druids Grove and then when you get to the settlement that she’s at you have to kill Marcus rather than helping him
@@lazeybonez shit..... I guess his hate for Ailyn is purely homophobic then.... Like who better for your kid to fall in love with than the child of the god you worship!!! I thought he was pissed BC she turned Isobel away from Shar.... Well that just deleted a lot of perceived depth
@@eclairdawnlight8470no he hates Aylin because Aylin was her appointed knight but she wasn’t able to save isobel from however she died (explained after the myrkul fight iirc)
@@Hideybee coulda sworn there was a "I always hated you" line or something to that extent.... Lord it's been too long since I played BG3.. need to get my PC back out of storeage
He didn't always hate Ailyn, he was concerned about his little girl falling in love with an ageless, immortal half-god. Which is not unreasonable. He didn't see the romance ending well and didn't want his daughter to get her heart broken. Than she died and what the poster above said followed. Seeing homophobia is projecting.
Katheric is simply underated imo. I kinda wish they made it with 4 act so many of act 3 antagonists would get a similar amount of "build up". The guy might be a monster but there so many lines where you can litteraly feel that the despite his actions there still a hint of who he once was in that dead husk.
Kaetheric was a solid villian that you almost feel sympathy for. Feel like act 1-2 could've veen expanded and 3 been apart of a sequel. Though a game that ends on a cliff hanger would've been sh*tty
One thing that is captured is the tragedy of Ketheric. A father and husband who slowly lost everything. He lost his wife but still had Isobel, but once she died, nothing could ease his pain. Selune's moonlight reminded him of everything he lost and he turned his back to the Moonmaiden. Shar offered easing of his pain for his service, but even the mother of loss and absence could not wash away his pain. He could not forget his beloved ones. So it was Myrkul, who offered the daughter who died if he became his chosen. He wanted nothing more than his family back, but would become a monster for them. Losing everything he once was, that even when he got his daughter back. It was she who turned her back on him.
![Astarion slowly falls in love through greetings | Baldur's Gate 3 [Cinematic GMV]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Q6vIlj2yQsM/mqdefault.jpg)
I mean he didn’t just decide to become a monster
He lost his wife then his daughter
And that sent him into madness
You can even talk him down if you pass the checks and skip the first half of his finale boss fight
Not just that, but he was also ignored by the gods he worshipped. Imagine losing all you love then when you ask the one thing you've sworn your life to for help and they ignore you. That's rough buddy
@@Skyline1235 thats why i dont like Seluna, always feel something off about her, especially her sending children alone into the wood in the middle of the night, let them find their own way home all by themself.
@@trangkieu8974gods in dnd are very different than gods from other universes. The gods in dnd were mortals who ascended by very... Different methods, her doing this it's a way to show them that you have to trust in the moon and let her guide you.
Selune and Shar might or might have been mortal, it's something we would never know... Until we do. But her way it's that. Trust the moon while you are surrounded by shar domains(dark)
@@gabrielmiranda6147 they trusted, but Shar still took them away, what did Seluna do? Nothing. What did she do when her own daughter got snapped and enslaved by 100 years? Nothing really, and when Ketheric mourned his loss, she did nothing either, when i talked to God Gale and asked what does he do to aid his followers, he literally said nothing 😮💨. Well at least Shar and Myrkul got their asses up and do something i guess
@@trangkieu8974 Apparently there's only so much that the gods can do to intervene personally, due to the limits that the Overgod Ao set. Myrkul and the other Dead Two are somewhat exempt from this (given that they're all losers and the other gods know this), and Shar did jackshit personally herself, just simply made a point to psychically torture Shadowheart at any given moment.
Dude had more character depth than the other two big bads combined and multiplied. Probably another reason why Act3 feels lesser.
Orin is more interesting only if you play durge, same for Gortash but not much
@Husky92223 I've heard the game is even better, but albeit more challenging with that playthrough.
@@isaacholstein6530 Been playing durge while trying to resist it, makes the main character interesting and it's also made so that many things in the main story are connected to him i def recommend it. Plus that dragon boi has the coolest design ever
@@isaacholstein6530I’d say it’s easier Orins boss fight is way easier the and the first reward for killing Alfira or the Dragonborn bard is pretty OP for melee based characters and you can get it at the very start of the game
DURGE play-through hits diff if you played or know the story of BG 1 & 2…
(Spoiler warning) I thought I was the only one who would have rathered Ketheric be the final boss before the brain. His character, backstory, and demeanor are so much better than Gortash and Orin
I dunno, I think it worked. All the stuff with isobel has to happen after the fight.
And having Ketheric right before the brain would diminish the brain fight.
And orin is literally just the sidequest prelude to grandaddy baal anyway
@@FFKonoko never saw that stuff with her bc durge lol both playthroughs I had with friends involved the dark urge either me or my friend lol
@@deusvult6164 Honestly it’s fine. It’s essentially a villain scene played straight, but I think the Durge scenes (I’ve already seen them in videos on YT, and I don’t mind, unlike the violence against innocents in Durge runs; gonna need to purge myself of any good two shoes tendencies for that playthrough) are probably superior to the Tav scenes because they hold more actual personal/lore weight.
Thank you for the invisible spoiler warning!
@@spacehootle309 thats my bad, sorry! Ill make an edit to prevent that for anyone else.
“LOOK AT THIS PHOTOGRAPH! EVERY TIME I DO, IT MAKES ME LAUGH!”
- Isobel
😂😂😂
Imagine going through all that pain to bring your daughter back because of grief and just to be hated.....i felt bad for him
And if I remember his daughter don't find out about that
I don’t understand people seeking to like and forgive him.
He was obsessed with his daughter, hated when she was happy without him, had no issue abducting her and using the love of her life to keep himself immortal. Father of the ***ing Century award, no less.
Not to mention, hey, she was fine with dying, she was NOT fine being brought back forcefully, she was a Selunite through and through and he knew that, and was like, Whatever.
Gods didn’t take anyone from him, his wife died from long term illness, and while we don’t know how his daughter died, I’m positive Selune did not kill her.
It’s not that most people are wanting to forgive or even like him. It’s that this whole storyline of his makes him feel far more like a real person. A real person with flaws and obsessions that were made more intense by grief, and that eventually led to him destroying himself and his loved ones. It’s often the mark of a great fictional villain- to write them in a way that makes the reader/player empathize with them, while still hating what they became.
The point is really that what happened to him could easily break anyone- losing his wife, who he loved more than anything, and then later losing his daughter (and dog) on the same night, effectively meaning he lost absolutely everything.
Also, he fell victim to Shar’s doctrine. She made him feel understood, and wanted, and he became more and more devoted to her as his grief grew and grew. Then when he decided to try and get back his daughter at all costs, Myrkul offered him a way to do it, in exchange for carrying out his bidding. At that point, Ketheric had become so twisted by his grief and darkness that he believed everything he had done and was going to do was justified as long as he got his daughter back. Obviously he was wrong, but it’s a compelling backstory to show how he came to be what he is in the current game. He also blamed Selune for letting his wife and daughter die, which, of course, isn’t exactly fair. The gods in BG3 tend to only be directly interested in mortals if they are actively useful to them. (Shar used Ketheric to build an army, Myrkul used him to try and overtake the world.) In Ketheric’s eyes, Selune abandoned him and his family despite all their faithful service to her. He lost his faith, and it destroyed him. So when he says the gods broke him first, that’s what he means. To him, each god he served saw him as a tool to be discarded in the end. You see that happen firsthand when Myrkul lets him die by the player’s hand. He is forsaken.
None of that excuses what he did, but it does make it much easier to be invested in his character. Whether you hate him or empathize with him is up to you, and I imagine it varies based on the player’s personal experiences. Personally, I have had an intense crisis of faith and struggled with grief and depression in my past, and it’s not hard for me to understand the pain Ketheric felt. If you spend your entire life dedicated to a deity and then suddenly realize you are of no consequence to them, it can completely break you. For me, I had to become an entirely new person, and my world view changed. For Ketheric, he instead gave in to the grief and became lonely and bitter.
It’s a great opportunity for roleplay in the game. For example, my two paladin characters both used persuasion to try and get him to stand down, using their knowledge of his past to convince him he wasn’t beyond saving. On the other hand, my Dark Urge character was so angry at Ketheric for his actions in their past that they didn’t even give themself a chance to try and understand him, they just killed him as soon as possible. And my bard character was disgusted by what he had done to the land and the people in it, that they didn’t offer him mercy because they didn’t believe he deserved it. His background and character gives lots of room for the player to react.
TLDR: Ketheric is a compelling villain because his backstory is fairly easy to connect with and it makes his actions all the more interesting, giving the player lots of room for roleplay even if they despise him.
Sorry for the very long comment, but I find Ketheric a really interesting and thought provoking villain and had a lot to say about him lol.
I get the feeling someone broke into their house and killed her. If you talk to Kethricks dog with animal speech she mentions that she died the same night Isobel did. If I had to guess it was Shar assassin's. Knowing that if Isobel died it would drive Kethric too her side.
@@fangwhiteclaw7089 I always thought it was an accident, cause if someone killed her, there would be no way he wouldn’t talk about revenge, like, not only did she die but I avenged her. And if he never found that person, he’d be bent on looking for them. But everyone present on that scene - Ketheric, their dog, Aylin - just said that it was a horrible day.
But this also makes sense. Nice!
@@olgabahirkina1286supposedly there is cut/buried dialogue suggesting a convo with halsin would shed some light on how Isobel died, apparently implying he shifted and lost his cool when arguing with her about something. At least I remember reading that somewhere, and if its true thats likely been cut altogether from the game
J.K. Simmons (voice of ketheric) turned my 1080p monitor into 4k when he started speaking.
Act 3 feels so bad simply because act 2 is so amazing:
Ketheric is still a bastard, but you kinda get why. Everyone he loved seemed destined to die, or leave him. His daughter had falled for a divine being, his wife was dead, and his legacy was withering away.
You find endless diaries and letters which all but tell you his entire life detail by detail.
Then you get to act 3, and what do you get? Murder hobo 1, and 2. What are their stories? They're just dicks.
Yeah act 3 kinda dropped the ball on the main villains. Then again act 3 is also the one where you fullfill most of your companion quests so I guess I know where the writing effort went.
I think act 3 feels like that because some of the deeper bits occurred on evil runs. It's like act 1 and 2 have more in depth story telling for good alignment while act 3 had more for evil alignment
Did you find Gortash's parents? Not a huge extra dimension but a nice touch
@@andybodle7560 or Orins mother and father
Act 3 just better
Background music: sweet gentle soothing.
“Have you encountered him yet?”
Background music: … awkward…
I did not blame Ketheric. I blame his drive to be a protector, at any cost
He abandoned them all bc of you**
Honestly, encountering Ketheric as a character and villain felt like a completely different game altogether, as if the quality of storytelling just shot up big time. And then went down when I faced another power-hungry politician and some crazy murder bitch. Even their “gods” did not care much for them. Bane and Bhaal threw them away once they were of no use. But Myrkul, he seemed to actually be distraught by his chosen’s defeat and ACTUALLY did something about it. See? even the game knows they were worthless. Bane was just bullshiting about how he is unstoppable and something like that and just abandoned his chosen to the next idiot that came to ask., while bhaal cried bloody tears like a baby.
How many old is Isobel since she had that family portrait for a hundred years? She’s a half elf meaning that just like her dad, Shadowheart and Jaheria meaning that she ages slower than most humans, tieflings and half orcs
Like Jaheira chronically she's over a hundred years old but the difference between appearance is because due to the fact that Isobel actually died at an early age. Probably like in her thirties and then was revived by Ketheric and Balthazar 100 years later. So she's older than Jaheira by like maybe 20 more years total but she looks younger cause she was revived the way she looked back then
@@jamesvega6813 Well, early 30s relative for a half-elf.
Maybe shes older than SH since SH is 48 years old iirc, and isobel act and looked more mature than her@@alexmartinez5859
No one talks about this scene because it’s really complicated to get lol. You have to betray the grove, which is an evil thing to do, and then betray Marcus in act 2, which is a good thing to do.
I didnt know she was his daughter until i ended up at her grave and i was like "NANII??!!"
I was wondering when does this seem trigger because I knew it existed but I didn't know if she was going to show us when we came to confront her about the truth or what.
I mightve seen that if i wasnt too busy robbing the place
This is Deep.
This song..
Looks like Ciri from the Witcher series
Who else thinks that ketheric deserved to be the last of the 3 big villains to beat?
Because Gortash and Oran feel Pathetic conpared to him
Like Oran isn't even the strongest is his own cult and Gortath is the most pathetic villain in the whole game,the giant spider in act 1 was more intimidating than that guy
Yooooo that's awesome
Oh wow how did you get that scene?
You need to kill grove and then in act 2 you need to tell that Marcus is cultist and kill him before he escape
How the hell do i get this cutscene?
How do you get this scene?
Karlach made me dislike Gortash since he enslaved her and sent her to zariel
Someone say that his parents sould his soul to Rafael
@@Darth-_-Maulnot Raphael, to a warlock.
How to get this cutscene
Idc what anyone says, he made himself a monster so his daughter could live again to hate what he became and that’s coming from someone be tried to kill XD he’s a dad through and through ✊
Song name?
Nightsong
I feel so bad i accidentally killed her...
nooooooooooo
Me who killed her twice 😎👍
Yeah bullshit there is no accidentally killing anyone in this game because you can fucking reload; not only that, but it is very difficult to kill someone accidentally unless you purposely ignore the fact they are nearby when you cast an AOE spell
@@Myrathosghost clearly you’ve never missed click dialogue options in honor mode.
she is just ungrateful daughter. katheric tried to become shar worshiper to release his pain but cannot. and tried to be myrkul worshiper to resurect her, but yet all he got is betrayal from his own daughter. after all he did for her, he got nothing. she choose a lesbian moonwitch daughter over his own father that loose a lot just to resurrect her. ungrateful brat😢
Ketheric deserves sympathy but Isobel is definitely not wrong about him becoming a monster. You know what he did once you “reunite” them? He fucking tadpoled her like any other slave and erased her will. Grief and despair do that to people. He is clearly no longer sane.
He didnt abandon his family to become a monster. He became a monster FOR them. Truly a sad and tragic story.
He became a monster anyway, turned evil, wanted to kidnap his own daughter for whatever reason and didn't care Marcus hurt her in order to do so...
@dumbfukx that oversimplifies everything and ignores the context.
Kethric does ask that his daughter not be killed.
Kinda. But here's his daughter feeling abandoned by him because he abandoned being the man she loved and his wife loved. There's a letter his dying wife wrote that she hopes to reunite with him in Selunas afterlife, something he cannot do after all he's done. So in a certain way he has abandoned her too. And he knows it, try talking about his wife and redemption with him, he knows there isn't any.
At least he got what he wanted : his daughter alive and happy, and a final rest
@@davidlopez6517 Kethric loves isobel but he doesn’t respect her as a person. He becomes evil to revive her, then he kidnaps her girlfriend and tortures her, and then participates in a plan to basically destroy the world. All things isobel would obviously not be okay with. Kethric just wanted isobel alive, he didn’t care if she was happy while alive.
Kethric was hands down the best villain out of the dead 3 and shouldve been the ultimate villain. Especially considering his domain of death
Exactly. I meant Ketheric and knew there were two more bad guys like him. But when I saw Gortash and Orin, I was like who the hell are these two babbiling idiots.
@reffa2858 on point comment. Kethric commanded respect. From the moment he was introduced with the goblin attacking him, his motives for evil, his tragic story. Gortash was just a sniveling politician and Orin was a cartoon villain
@@davidlopez6517 the cool thing about papa k was that I found out about his life before I even meant him. Page by page, person by person. But you quickly learn almost immediately that the other two are a lying politician and a gore-gasm murder babe. Act 3 feels really rushed the more I play it.
@reffa2858 so I didn't even learn about him until my second playthrough. The game told me he was immortal and I thought by going to moonrise, I'd start a fight I could not win. I completed the entierty of shars temple and didn't even know going to moonrise was an option. I was playing TOO smart lmao
Agreed. He should have been the Final Boss of the three. He was a surprisingly & disappointingly easy mini- Boss to finish. The Gortash fight is annoying until you figure out the concussion grenade traps give you handy thrown weapons.
Dark Urge is the best way to play this game. Not for its messed up ways in killing innocent people or the like, etc. But because it’s really a story about redemption and having friends along with you to help you recover and get through whatever trials and tribulations lay ahead for the Durge character. The redemption run is the best and opens soooo much more dialogue and interactions with NPCs and team members. You get to know a more personal side of your team’s characters and realize that you are all on this redemptive path as well. (Should you choose)
Gale reminds me much of myself when I was a drug addict for many years in the past. The things he says, his shame and guilt, are very much alike what a recovering addict would say. Thank God for friends, good friends. Isolation is only torture even when you think it’s not. It’s really an escape from pain, but it only leads to more pain in the end. We need friends to help us get back up and be there to emotionally support and empower each other. Isobel mentions Ketheric began to isolate himself in his grief. The rest unfortunately is what unfolded
Good for you for staying clean. It's not easy. I've lost friends to overdose. Friends I tried to help when they were trying to get clean, but who ultimately pushed me away. Keep going. One day at a time.
That’s a boring way to play urge no killing at all might as well not play him sense you a using the unique option.
@@louisfill849 The Urge itself will still try to kill, even if you try to fight it. That's the point of resisting it. To fight against your killer instincts and be a better person than the monster you once were.
And there you have it.. the reason why BG3 is the game of the year… also very proud of you for beating addiction 👏🏾
That's why we all love this game so much. And good for you for staying clean 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 I hope you're proud of yourself! 😊
I have 500 hours in BG3 and have NEVER seen this cut scene. How do you get it??
Failed battle in the tavern, probably
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In my case, i have to left the tieflings died so marcus apears in las light instead of mol, later you have to speak with him on isobel's room, fight with him, and later isobel speak with you
(In that case you wont see the scene of isobel's ritual)
Can you find that picture and bring it to her before going under the tower?
I used gale to talk to her. She only liked him
Orin: kill kill kill haha kill
Gortash: i'm nothing without my steelwatch, plz obey me i'm bane's chosen
Ketheric: there is no penance or redemption for what i have become, but i will do anything in my power to see my isobel once again, even if it cost me my soul and whole faerun
Ketheric and Raphael are the BEST bosses in the game. Ketheric because he was really a hurting man deep down. Raphael because hes just a really cool dude lol.
I actually got a bit pissed when the Nightsong interrupted my therapy session with Ketheric and then pulled his head later.
Like, I get it, but isn't this thing supposed to be the child of a benevolent goddess that goes out of her way to bring back what was lost to her on other occasions (especially in-game)?
But no, let's just prevent the possibility of bringing one of Selûne's greatest worshippers back to her light because "wahh, my immortality sucked for a hundred years"
@@DISTurbedwaffle918I find Aylin to be one of the most toxic characters in the game. Her sheer stupidity at the times astounds me. On top of being stupid, she also disrespected one of her mother's greatest worshippers by seducing his daughter.
And she was surprised that when people lose everything that matters to them(and everyone that matters) and their goddess not only allowed, but her daughter also played a part in this suffering, they tend to become vengeful.
If only i could save Last Light while cutting Aylin's head off and convincing Ketheric to join us, possibly even giving us intel on Orin, Gortash and parasites. I suspect he knows a lots about that.
@@HanithSVK
Aylin and Isobel had a very negatively stereotypical same-sex female relationship. There's definitely a sense of an abusive power figure dominating a submissive abuse victim dynamic.
Turning Aylin in to the Wizard in Act 3 would be the ideal ending for it, if the action didn't harm Isobel as well.
@@DISTurbedwaffle918 I agree with u 100%.
I did not want to say it out loud, cause this comment may cause a serious backlash from LGBTI-crazed people, but if all same-sex relationships looked like this... then i am very, very, veeeeeeeery glad that i am not a part of this group, being straight and all.
I've literally never had this cutscene before. Dude, this game just gets deeper and deeper the more you play it. No wonder it took so long to come out. Respect.
I really wish Ketheric was the last one you face out of the chosen 3. He's the most interesting and likeable one imo
How do you get this cutscene?
The tieflings have to be dead because Marcus has to be the one you vouches for you when you arrive at Last Light. You then talk to him in Isobel's room and play along with him when he talks about his kidnapping plan. Then warn Isobel about Marcus's plan. Then select the "thank you" or "is there something else I should know" dialogue when speaking to her.
I wondered how things would play out in Last Light without the Tieflings.
@@omegagilgamesh At that point it only depends on if you send Isabel with Marcus or not. That will equally change how things play out with or without the tieflings.
How to get this cutscene?
I got it on my evil play through. I killed the grove and druids and Halsin, when I got to this settlement Marcus appeared to vouch for me so I can get in. After I went upstairs, Marcus asked me to help him get Isobel, but I decided to attack him instead, after that she gives this cutscene.
Thanks, I must try this in the next playthrough.. over 950 times of playing and I still find that BG3 always have something to surprise me.. best rpg game ever played
@@PinkPixelBunnyLol, What? On my good run I prevented her kidnapping and that never happened 😢. Now, I'm on my evil run, I helped Marcus and less could see this scene hahaha
I think this is new😮
@@nearsoldier go ahead and reload that save. 😭
@@PinkPixelBunny I have to check, but it's probably no longer saved. I'm already starting the act 3 hahaha 🫠
Today, I went back to act 2 for a moment, to talk to Yurgir's corpses bed 😂 I didn't know that was possible.
I think this account uploaded it too
People saying Act 3 is worse than Act 2 because Ketheric is a better villain have never really gone through Gortash's situation, they almost definitely didn't find Orin's parents either (and probably haven't played Durge and done either, which adds even more depth but Durgetash is a whole different beast)
There are 7 different origin stories beside the custom origin stories. You can’t expect most people to play as a Sith. When most gamers prefer to be the hero.
@@endershepard7117but you also can’t expect to get all of the depth of every character while only playing Tav. I think that’s what they’re saying. It goes both ways.
@@Tazazak I just experienced some incredible depth as Paladin Oath of the Ancients Karlach. In order to save and redeem Nere I ended up accidentally becoming an Oathbreaker in the process. But here’s the thing… I’m not sure if I became considered an Oathbreaker because I deceived and betrayed the Duergar Elder Brithvar or not bringing back Nere’s head to the Myconid Sovereign?!
I was just trying to be like the greatest hero of all-time Luke Skywalker who succeeded at doing the impossible. By saving and redeeming his greatest nemesis Darth Vader. It just goes to show you that sometimes redemption can come with unexpected consequences and perhaps too high a cost.
@@endershepard7117 [Spoilers for Cazador's quest in act 3]
I went through something similar with my Oath of Devotion paladin!
For roleplay reasons, I chose to kill the vampire spawn in the cages, since releasing thousands of hungry vampires could lead to catastrophic results and killing them should be the most merciful thing a typical paladin could do.
But... It broke my oath. Which is fair, I killed people without giving them a chance to fight.
I don't know if it broke my oath cuz they are innocents according to the game mechanics or if it's cuz I said I'd free them (in my head, a paladin saying that they would "free" a vampire doesn't necessarily mean they'd release them).
I accepted it nonetheless, my game experience was elevated! It was my first and only oathbreaking in that playthrough and it was meaningful, relevant!
(Sorry if my grammar isn't the best and if I ranted too much)
@@boboli3725 you spoke well. Thank you for sharing your Oathbreaker Story with us. I haven’t been this caught off guard in a Open-World RPG kinda game since playing Skyrim back in 2011. When the Daedric Prince of the Dawn - Azura booming disembodied thunderous voice starting speaking to me from the heavens. Outta nowhere. Right after I picked up a legendary magical weapon. I felt like I was Perseus in the OG Clash of the Titans being spoken too and given an assignment by a goddess!
This is the power of video games! This is why the Video Game 🎮 Industry is the highest earning entertainment industry on the planet! We can have such psychologically rich experiences like this. That really cause us to question how rash we are to make vows. I got my Channel Oath Charge reinstated. But now every time any NPC ask me to promise to do this or that for them. I rarely ever outright agree to do as they request.
With all the updates that they're doing, I really wish they would beef up the third act a little bit. I mean look at how much backstory kethric has carlock did not get a good enough story. Wylls story is sparse and the third act is lacking camp related cutscenes and just I don't know a spark that the first two acts are missing
Agree. I’m in act 3 right now and even though there’s a lot more places to explore and quests to complete (feels overwhelming tbh), it just doesn’t hit the same as the first two chapters :( it just feels like it’s missing something
“Look at this Photograph,” 🎸🖼️
How do you find this cut scene I didn't even know this existed
I have no idea but would also like to know.
i got this last night! not sure if its required to get this to trigger but: grove was dead so marcus was there, i chose to attack marcus before talking to isobel, and after the fight she talked to me after the jaheira moment
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I’ve never seen this cutscene but I love her and this whole redemption arc there’s like 3 in one story line lol it’s so great like you can save so many people or doom so many!
Are you kidding me. I have 1400 hours of playtime and never seen this xD This game is endless
If you think that’s something. Mass Effect 1 is over 16 years old and I just recently saw a dialog tree with Commander Shepard and Gunnery Chief Ashley Williams that I never knew of before!
I never felt much sympathy for Ketheric. For a simple reason. He knows an afterlife exists. If he'd stayed a Selunite, he would have reunited with them in the afterlife. He also had family besides his daughter and wife, so he didn't have to be alone in life. He chose self-pity instead of just... idk... waiting it out? Turning away from his wife's goddess kind of guaranteed that he would forever be separated from them.
How tf do I get this scene from?
Stick your finger in your butt and wish for it three times then jergal comes down and puts the photo on the wall
I think I stole that picture and sold it lol
I want to see this as a meme format, just cut it after she shows the picture when she says "I found this, in the wall".
Wait, I thought it was known that Isobel was basically the reason why Ktheric became Myrkul Chosen.
Kethric is a character that goes through all the stages of grief except "acceptance"
Acceptance is just a Persuasion check away!
Dude did spend a CENTURY in the "Bargaining" phase, though.
Spoiler if you don't know all his backstory
The man loses his wife, and then his daughter. Shar manipulates him, while he is vulnerable and desperate, to capture and torture her sister(Selune)'s daughter, the love of his daughter's life and his last connection to her. In his pain, he found himself used by Shar, coerced into abandoning his faith in Selune, and in his allegiance to Shar, he truly lost everything. Left with nothing but loss, He turns to Myrkhul, who gives him back his daughter, only for the century of grief and decay to leave her father unrecognizable to her. Such a beautifully tragic character.
SH is right that shar is petty af, selune let the mortals act by their own will including her daughter, then we have shar that always consider herself as the part of everything in her disney club house member's life, hell even when ketheric betrayed her and worship myrkul, she still tell shadowheart to kill him instead of letting it go
And ofc if you rescue SH parents and turn her away from shar, she still hurt SH, what a f*ckin b*tch of a goddess
Why is this scene even locked in having to raid the grove? Makes no sense at all.
I don’t like act 2 that much because it’s a little more difficult to find all the content (and the environment is trying to kill you at all times), but wow kethric thorm is such a cool villain and has so much character to him. I really wish it was possible to redeem him.
I wish there was a dialouge option to give Isobel the note that Kethric carried with him. To show her that he didn't become evil just for power, but to get his daughter back.
How do you get that scene? Never saw this
Whoa how do you get this cutscene
I didn't saw it
Oh my god the music 🌹
I’ve never seen this
i think the worst part about this scene is this: (SPOILER) you know damn well she didn't find it, she carried it with her.
What do you mean "why this important cut scene..."?
I have no idea how I got it but, there’s a different version where she tells you she’s Kethric’s daughter
How'd you get this cutscene
How is Chelsea so fuckin cool??
How did you get that
How did you get this?!
I never saw this scene 😮
How do I get this cute scene ?
This must be new
i dont think it is
@@yuripiIIed Then idk how i never got this scene
@@iamboringvideos6832 in order to get this dialogue you have to side with the goblins in order for marcus to vouch for you. you then have to speak to him for him to tell you his plan. THEN you speak to isobel and tell her everything. theres a dialogue option where you can get this - i think it’s “is there anything else i need to know” or something like that
@@iamboringvideos6832 you have to do an evil play through, you have to kill the entire Druids Grove and then when you get to the settlement that she’s at you have to kill Marcus rather than helping him
how do you get it
Nah, that corpse belongs to the ground
When is this?
Does the music theme come from Bg3 soundtrack?
Yes, it’s called “Nightsong”. Beautiful piece. Truly
I don't talk bout it cause I didn't get it
Same
Ive never seen this cutscene..
Same
WAIT!!!!! I thought he worshiped shar!?
He was originally a Selunite. After his wife and daughter died he turned to Shar. Then he turned to Myrkul to raise his daughter from the dead.
@@lazeybonez shit..... I guess his hate for Ailyn is purely homophobic then.... Like who better for your kid to fall in love with than the child of the god you worship!!!
I thought he was pissed BC she turned Isobel away from Shar....
Well that just deleted a lot of perceived depth
@@eclairdawnlight8470no he hates Aylin because Aylin was her appointed knight but she wasn’t able to save isobel from however she died (explained after the myrkul fight iirc)
@@Hideybee coulda sworn there was a "I always hated you" line or something to that extent.... Lord it's been too long since I played BG3.. need to get my PC back out of storeage
He didn't always hate Ailyn, he was concerned about his little girl falling in love with an ageless, immortal half-god. Which is not unreasonable. He didn't see the romance ending well and didn't want his daughter to get her heart broken.
Than she died and what the poster above said followed. Seeing homophobia is projecting.
Katheric is simply underated imo. I kinda wish they made it with 4 act so many of act 3 antagonists would get a similar amount of "build up". The guy might be a monster but there so many lines where you can litteraly feel that the despite his actions there still a hint of who he once was in that dead husk.
Kaetheric was a solid villian that you almost feel sympathy for. Feel like act 1-2 could've veen expanded and 3 been apart of a sequel. Though a game that ends on a cliff hanger would've been sh*tty
Gortash and orin just MEH...
They re like just 2 popular mean girls i met in highschool
Ketheric is the true ultimate villain 🎉
One thing that is captured is the tragedy of Ketheric. A father and husband who slowly lost everything. He lost his wife but still had Isobel, but once she died, nothing could ease his pain.
Selune's moonlight reminded him of everything he lost and he turned his back to the Moonmaiden.
Shar offered easing of his pain for his service, but even the mother of loss and absence could not wash away his pain. He could not forget his beloved ones.
So it was Myrkul, who offered the daughter who died if he became his chosen. He wanted nothing more than his family back, but would become a monster for them. Losing everything he once was, that even when he got his daughter back. It was she who turned her back on him.
I wish he wasn't the first one out of the three to die, he was so much more interesting and badass than the other two combined.