His honesty is so refreshing. I can't think of another public figure, Christian or not, who has had the courage that he had to be himself no matter what the consequences. He was a rare & beautiful man.
At 1:45 "Eventually we'll all be dead..." Pause. Looks at the camera. He died about a year later. Rich had a great songwriting talent with beautiful honesty. He inspired me to believe that God likes me with all my quirks.
Not even close. He was the best christian artist of the 20th century perhaps, yet there exists a man from the 1700's named Charles Wesley. There also existed a man named Johan Sebastian Bach.
What a small world. I was standing near Rich when this took place in 1996 - it was the last time I saw him. I live in Missouri and it's a long story why I was even in Kentucky. Never would I have thought I'd get to hear this interview again. Thank you for posting.
I met Chris Tomlin when he was first getting big back in 2002 at the GEC in Nashville. Was a real nice person to talk too. It wasn’t until years later I didn’t realize that Rich had wrote a lot of today’s songs people do covers of. Rich was an awesome human being the world is a totally different place without him.
I was there too. I got a copy of this from the lady who filmed it a couple of months after she filmed it. Glad someone put it up on TH-cam. Great interview. A highlight of my life in many ways.
Jon Doe, That struct me also. RM says in a different recording. "God loves me, big deal, God loves everybody...." Find it and watch the rest. You'll love it, for the first time or again.
Him being down to earth is what attracts me so well. Crazy how a video from 23 years ago would hit home today. I wish I could see him in concert and talk to him! The dude would step on the thinnest of ice, lol. And tbh...we need that.
Going back to this interview I realize how much it means to me. So many folk caught up in the big, giant ministry scene, which is good, but there's nothing wrong with doing the Lord's work in little ways. We don't all have to be Billy Graham. We can just be us and spread the Gospel. Thanks Rich, wish you were here...
I just watched the movie Ragamuffin about Rich Mullins which lead me to looking up interviews of him and to this video. Every time I hear an interview or him speak I’m amazed at the profound things that he had to say. It makes me just say, “wow”. It’s awesome that his words are still out there for us to listen to and be impacted by!
Here I am responding to you and I realized this was 9 years ago for you... How is life? How did college end up? Did Rich Mullins change the way you were going about things? He's a pretty cool dude😊
Wow!!! This interview blew my socks off and I just realized at age 42 through his words on this interview that I’ve been chasing an “idea” of myself as opposed to just letting God guide me step by step on HIS plan/idea of what he wants for me!! This interview gave me sooo much PEACE in Christ!!
Awesome Blue Skies Home Buyers! Chase Jesus, not ideas. He is DaVine we are Da Branches. Branches bear fruit. Us. Keith Green modifications. "There is a redemmer" and his name is Jesus!
I really love his personality so much. He is really a blessing, knowing and showing what Gods love really is. Through his weaknesses glorifying God, Gods redemption in his life.
So many people do useless things, and So many just talk up the game. Rich Mullins did exactly what God put him on this earth to do, and wanted to in ever increasing amounts or zeal as he got older. 2:20 - he says it himself - just be fully who God wants you to be. He was a great example of this ideal. There is so much good sound theology in what he says in this interview that it's staggering. At this stage in his life, he was running full head long after what God wanted for him. This pursuit is not well known outside of the spiritually mature. This Man died at age 42, but he was about 100 years old in wisdom Feed the poor, give to the lord, ect. HAH! Try living on a Navajo Reservation in abject poverty all day walking around with not shoes on. Try giving over 90% of your own salary to helping the poor, the Indians and Asian missions to India, and live on $24,000 or less per year. This man did! That's why I respect him above all other Christian Artist of his era.
Jay Marcase, Smart indeed. He followed Jesus and used his God given gifts. We can all do that, no matter what type of Car or truck or now EV~ God made us to be.
I grew up with Rich Mullins in my life at critical junctures. Icthus took place down the road from my house every year and during this time, I was the "White, middle class, evangelical" Rich is talking about. The next year, when he died, I was at Huntington University, very close to where he grew up. I never understood the obsession Christians had with this guy, but I took him for granted. Surely, I thought, lots of Christians were just like him! lol It is 2021 and although I have totally changed my religious views, Rich still speaks to me. Thanks for posting this.
Stephanie Maynard, Late party arriver here. "White, middle class, evangelical" guy here also. I am a firm believer now the question is not how much do we give, it is how much do we keep. Sea of Galilee......Jordan River.........Dead Sea. I want to be a pipeline for Almighty God to pour through me to reach the masses. I am good with a few scrapes. Feed 5,000 people through me and inspite of me and I only get the scrapes.....awesome. Who can eat 12 baskets of food anyway. Wait, my math is wrong...12 disciples. 12 baskets. There we go...who can eat one basket of bread in one sitting?
AWESOME interview...thanks SO much for sharing. Learned so much from Rich's words and music when I came to Christ in 1996. He really helped me to make sense of Christianity.
Great video. I love the brutal honesty this man speaks. Not only is his music writing, composing and performing great but he is one of the best examples of living a Christ-like life that I have seen.
Man. The commentary around 7:45 about being free really spoke to me. The ability to walk away or toward any situation - I’m not there yet. But God willing, maybe I will be someday. Thanks for the wisdom, Rich.
I love Rich so much. He just laid it all out there... I doubt that he thought much about if he was impressing his audience. I think he just wanted to impress God.
From what I’ve read about him, he struggled with this. He knew how to get applause. He knew how to play the game, and sometimes did, but didn’t want to. He was trying to be honest about his struggles and what was real.
I really understand what Rich is saying. I currently go to a Bible study which requires strict attendance. I've felt like telling the leader I'm not interested in going anymore but last time I didn't show up he told the entire group (according to a member of the group) that what I missed the group for was not that important to miss attendance. I'm not paying for this nor am I getting a college credit. I feel like it is far more important...
I've had this song by Rich Mullins on my mind for a few days now. Navigation: R \ Rich Mullins \ We Are Not As Strong As We Think We Are Well, it took the hand of God Almighty To part the waters of the sea But it only took one little lie To separate you and me Oh, we are not as strong as we think we are And they say that one day Joshua Made the sun stand still in the sky But I can't even keep these thoughts Of you from passing by Oh, we are not as strong as we think we are CHORUS We are frail We are fearfully and wonderfully made Forged in the fires of human passion Choking on the fumes of selfish rage And with these our hells and our heavens So few inches apart We must be awfully small And not as strong as we think we are And the Master said their faith was Gonna make them mountains move But me, I tremble like a hill on a fault line Just at the thought of how I lost you Oh, we are not as strong as we think we are CHORUS And if you make me laugh well I know I could make you like me Cause when I laugh I can be a lot of fun But we can't do that I know that it is frightening What I don't know is why we can't hold on We can't hold on CHORUS When you love you walk on the water Just don't stumble on the waves We all want to go there somethin' awful But to stand there it takes some grace 'Cause oh, we are not as strong As we think we are
Laura BP, I'm on a huge Rich Mullins kick that has gone about a month now, and I pray it lasts for decades. Having our eyes on Jesus and the videos and music already recorded by Dr. Rich Mullins avoids the moral failure possiblity of elevating someone to levels we shouldn't elevate frail men like myself to in this world.
J H, did you ever met him? Tormented soul in that so many people thought they were right incorrectly, instead of guessing and God was truthful in the Bible?
@djk28161 This guy is absolutely the finest example of what a Christian to strive to be like. I agree with you, they need to take lessons from this one.
Rich was a good man and he was a real Christian 😀 his outlook on religion really inspires me ! I also had alcohol and drug addictions but thanks to Rich's life story helped me want to get clean ! Thanks Rich and almighty God 🙏🙏
dwtharpe, RM radiated God's awesomeness in such powerful gigawatts that it electrified statdiums, cities, and countries for weeks and longer. I saw him once. I wish it was 100's. No eye has seen, no ear has heard,....one day....
Great responses. For me the impact statement summed up would be for me to learn to be free to be holy, instead of bound up in my own concepts of how to pretend to think, believe, and live to be "holy". I see his responses as a great example of a man who was learning to be holy and authentic while also being very, very kind.
I like where he tells us that we read and act on being Born again and even highlight it..but then we read and don't act on or highlight.. ..Sell all your possessions and give your money to the poor.. Then he says... that's why God gave us highlighters. .
Beautifully done, Rich. Ironically I think his comment about Joseph being sold into slavery is about my understand of Calvinism and predestination. As an artist and a believer he nails the intersection and idea of interest, gifts and calling.
God can use any of us just like Gideon or Joseph. Rich understood that. He knew his calling was much larger than himself, yet humbled himself, as best he could, before the Cross in every moment.
AriickECA, 30 60 100 fold. Availability over Ability. God makes us burn brightly and not burn out. Salt makes things better and Light makes things brighter.
He was single but was ok with it. He said if your not strong enough t of handle a woman God gives you celibacy if you're not strong enough for celibacy God gives you a woman. some people are just meant to be single for a good reason I think he was one of those ..
If I focus on what I have done or have not done for Jesus, I get depressed quickly. But if I put myself under the love of Jesus, and let him love me where I am at, no matter what, it lifts me up. Rich was so right about all of this.
I find myself grieving all over again as I get back into these interviews and develop a more complete picture of who he was. Maybe I’m starting to grieve for the first time, actually. It is so sad we lost him so early. He was prophetic, ahead of his time. He represents a way of living so foreign to me (something I’m not sure I want) yet I find myself wanting to emulate.
I wish I had heard this interview when I was in middle school (of course, it would still be 20 years before this interview would even take place). But if someone had told me all this, it could have saved me an awful lot of anguish and angst and self-condemnation.
littlepinkhousefly, Great name. I wish EVERY middle school person was given the option to watch this. Maybe sign a waiver to be waved free from watching it. Keep reading the 66 and stay close to Jesus. He won't let us down.
@@johnschafer9026 Thanks for the name compliment. I was listening to John Mellencamp's "Little Pink Houses" when I signed up for TH-cam eons ago and the name just popped into my head. Yeah, I think it's vital for everybody to know all this. We get so hung up on the wrong things about our faith, on the "religion" parts and not enough being plugged into the Jesus parts. He alone is trustworthy!
How amazing. God's will is for us to be Holy. And in our weakness thank God for all things. It's kind of radical really. Just live our lives, be who we are and thank God? What a special man we have lost too soon.
I've struggled my whole life with what he said about God's picture of my life isn't necessarily how I feel my life should be. I just wish God would have seen it to leave him in this world for us.
Mary Sanchez, If I said I understood how you feel I would also lie about other things. I think I feel somewhat jipped and yet mostly grateful for the time to listen, repent, hear and see him live 1 time. (8/15/1997) GOD is so big and so wonderful. Ever watch "I wonder if you know him" I think that is the title. Maybe it is "That's my king!" I will see if I can find it. If you watch it and your HR does not go up by at least 5 beats per minute and we are in the same room I will check your pulse. Wild tangent there I know. Sorry.
I loved Rich Mullins' music (still do). I was in high school when he died (as well as when this interview took place). He was an intense guy. I know God honored his desire for holiness, but I disagree with him about God not having a plan for your life. I DO agree we shouldn't stress to the point of anxiety about it, but I do believe it is wise to seek God's leading, and that He does have specific plans for us. I'm also not wild about some of the shots he took at "white evangelicals". As a "white evangelical" I am getting tired of being targeted all the time by our left-wing media as being bigoted or out of touch (and it's much worse now than it was in 1996). The point isn't being a white evangelical or a Navajo, or whatever. The point is to be like Christ, and follow what God has said in His word. I have friends who are different nationalities and different church traditions, and yet we all want to obey God's word, and THAT is what counts. I think Rich Mullins really did want that. He was truly seeking the Lord, and I believe God honored that in his life. I believe Rich heard Jesus say, "Well done, Good and faithful servant," when he entered heaven a year after the interview.
As I listen to this interview, I don’t hear him saying “God doesn’t have a plan for your life”. Quite the opposite. He says God does have a plan for your life, it just looks a little different than what we are often being told. I find it remarkable, looking back on this interview, how WAY ahead of his time he was. Whatever Rich was tapping into here is something far more widely acknowledged today. He was a prophet. I don’t think “white evangelicals” are being attacked by Rich here, but I do think he was highlighting the disparity between the gospel, as he understood it, and the norms of dominant culture. What he says in this interview really resonates with me. I just find it hard to believe it was 25 years ago!
First of all: Love, that is the will of God. However you map out your life God just wants you to be loved and to love. Secondly, how freeing was that talk. All the points and highlights he hit about the will of God and holiness just brings it back to an individual human thing. YOu can be you. And finally, he rocked that interviewer's world off kilter you can tell.
cgrscott, Love the Clive Staples and Gilbert Keith's of this world. My brian hurts when I think that deeply, although I still try. I will cheer on the hammer dulcimer players and poets and appreciate the arts. In college a guy summed it up so well. "The arts are so powerful because they bypass the brain and go directly to the heart." YEP!
"God's picture of good, mental, emotional health is not the same as my picture of good, mental, emotional health." "I've been to college a lot and I'm not sure if God wants you to go to college." lol
CreationScienceNerd, Mark Twain/Samuel Clemmons and Rich Mullins chatting over a Guiness is the only college education I want. I'll pay $1,000 to sit at that table and listen. MT-I never let me schooling get in the way of my education. Or something like that. Peace to you! Ten years ago you wrote what you wrote, wow. I am sure by now you stayed in the 66 and close to Jesus and guided the way.
To the uploader: do you still need the information about the source/owner of this video? If so, I attend Asbury University (formerly Asbury College) in Wilmore, KY, where Ichthus was held, and I can probably get in touch with some of my professors to see if they know where this video is from.
After seeing his life and testimony in the movie "Ragamuffin", I would disagree with his comment at 10:55 Amazing man, intriguing interview. Watch it in whole; he was onto something true.
Paul D I think the movie showed one picture of Rich...but not the whole picture. The Rich in the movie is way way way too self righteous and way too morose. It doesn't show his work with the navao nation or even his experience with the Catholic church...it generalized a lot of his life. It also generalized the label too much.
I cried out to God the day he died . The third friend I have that died in a Jeep . Be careful of those cars . Be careful on motorcycles too. I saw a man happy on his bike . 45 seconds later he was dead by a crash with a pick up truck . Did not see the biker .
I think Rich was saying there is so much Christian talk without the walk and so many cliches and noise in our traditional church philosophy that getting down to absolute basics on the Res could allow GOD to speak to him and deepen their relationship; for Rich to truly become as close to JESUS as possible. I think he finally (Became) and his prayer was answered to be with GOD. He even left this Earth in a bang similar to Elijah in his song.
After hearing Rich Mullins speaking here I’m convinced that Dallas who is the producer/ director of THE CHOSEN pulled all his inspiration from this one video. I just hope, that he gives credit where it is due. I don’t believe for one minute it all happened in his church that began with a play. NOPE, that didn’t happen people. Please tell me a Dallas gives credit to a Rich Mullins because he clearly understands the real ness of Jesus disciples and he himself. I believe I was drawn to this for a reason, a reason I will not be able to explain in a comment.
seemed sensible until the last one fourth...when they got to the part about "Holiness"...apparently he spent too much time listening to those pagan Navajoes, Jesuits and Brennan Manning. ...the last section was a spiritual trainwreck.
No, it isn't! Rich states "Well, for me, I think to be truly holy means to be really free." By this, he means to be unattached to the things of this world, and he is absolutely right! To be holy means to be completely committed to loving and serving God and not to be attached to sin or anything worldly. We are in this world but not of it!
to be interested in one another, how we are doing in our personal lives rather than the attendance. How are we doing on the group?? What does attendance matter if one of us is hurting spiritually, much less physically or emotionally?? I'm afraid of the baptist gossip will result if I fail to attend their Bible study, of which I'm not a part of anymore. The leader of the group is a well known minister and I cannot disagree with a single word he says. It is baptist. Go figure. How rediculous.
Kind of ironic that he pegs the Calvinists as the ones sitting around waiting for God to tell them which underwear to put on every day when he grew up with heavy Quaker influences. I grew up with a lot of charismatic navel gazing in my circle and it was the Calvinists who led me to the near identical conclusions RM had come to here. I am not a Calvinist myself, but I appreciate that teaching in particular. His comment on the art generally being greater than the artist would save a ton of folks from celebrity worship....and preaching is art too...just sayin'.
@@thereseklopfenstein3398 That rumor has been debunked by his family. What proof do we have other than an anonymous person on youtube? He never once wrote anything about praying to Marry, he never even got close to believing that all other denominations went to hell, he states in this very video his desire to escape the ridged organization of the Church and there is no other more ridged denomination than the Catholics. In my opinion he was non-denominational with mistrust for organized religion especially towards the end of his life. It doesn't matter how much indulgence you pay or child molestation cases you cover up. You can not make a lie the truth.
@@thereseklopfenstein3398 Excuse me if I don't believe letters and words written by a group of people that regularly cover up sexual misconduct. Even if it is true it explains why he was taken at such a young age. I can't imagine Rich Mullins worshiping a human in direct contradiction to the vast amount the bible preaches about it, and possibly God spared us from living in such a world. Matthew 12:46 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47 Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.” 48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.” Matthew 6:7-8 7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. Perhaps when making an argument for your particular organized religion, you should not mention one of the most abominable practices. I love this. "He couldn't however, pull the trigger and actually convert (at that time)." Two years later he still had not converted, but I promise he was going to right before he died.
@@thereseklopfenstein3398 Facts are facts. Christ said what he said about his mother. And it is an abomination to worship a human. If Rich Mullins did want to start this practice the story you believe in is a huge smear to his memory. You need to get over your anti-bible bigotry. You can read it in your own language now. They have laws stopping Catholics from burning people for wanting to read the bible themselves these days.
@@thereseklopfenstein3398 I apologize for that. As my friend says "Catholicism is the gateway to atheism." Three of the four horsemen of atheism were once catholic so maybe he has a point. I am also bitter that any time I defend Christianity against atheist they always bring up the horrible things the catholic church did and I have to argue against that. I don't know how many times I have had to explain that the Crusades, the Spanish inquisition, The Medici, Bloody Marry, The Borgias and sexual assault cover-ups are not following Christ but the corrupt catholic church. Also every now and then I come across a holier than thou catholic who says they will pray for me in a very condescending way. I hope you can understand my frustration. Anyway I will pray for you to learn to read the bible on your own and stop praying to a dead human. See how condescending that sounds?
Must be Born again no denomination, ONE GOSPIL though! Personal RELATION MUST KNOW JESUS CHRIST AND HE KNOW YOU MOST IMPORTANT ! after reading and raised Catholic, but not mans religion its a MUST be Born again AND TO WALK FILLED SEALED BY HIS HOLY SPIRIT, GHOST! FILLED WITH in and no OTHER NAME OR GOSPILE MUST BE SAVED BY YSHWH JESUS CHRIST! YHWH "BEHOLD THE HAND BEHOLD THE NAIL!
Actually, Rich did specify. "Be who God made you to be." He also specifies that we are not supposed to lie down in our sin and stay in that broken state. Rich was very serious about following the Bible. Which is why he mentioned, holiness as a key. Rich would indeed love Homosexuals, and they would love Him. However, he would also be honest with them about their need to change and live in the pattern defined by the bible.
matreames "Be who God made you to be." God made homosexuals as well, it is kind of a genetic or hormonic abnormality. Actually homosexuality is not a bad thing, it doesn´t harm anyone, except of the homosexuals themselves because there is a higher aids-risk because of anal-sex, but that´s their decision, not the decision of others. But if you want to blame someone for homosexuality, blame god. He created it. The people who wrote the bible thought diseases are a punishment of god or spread by witches who curse people, and you really take these people seriously when they talk about homosexuality?
JakobRobert00 No He didn't. Romans 8: 20-22. Any Sinful nature of any kind was birthed out of our rebellion since Adam and Eve. I mean as kids we even do the "littlest" things by lying and stealing. As for harming, all I can say is a dead person won't feel any pain from a boulder resting on him. As for diseases, they are natural, but it's also caused, once again, by our sinful acts in a sinful world. Honestly, this all according to if you take the Bible or God seriously at all, I'm just giving my point of view since I view God as truth.
JakobRobert00 Every single culture that accepted homosexuality as "not harming anyone" continued in moral decay and are still know to this day for their depravity. Western cultures are heading down the same path. Watch Californication if you can stomach it. Psychopaths supposedly have a genetic abnormality. That doesn't mean it is okay for them to kill people. I would take the bible seriously over your extremely flawed logic. @ Jakob According to the old testament adultery is punished the same and is as bad as homosexuality. According to Christ thinking about it is just as bad. You are just as sinful as a homosexual. If you don't believe this you need to read your bible more and listen closer to what Rich says. Don't wallow in your sins but try to be holy and don't worry about judging or saving anyone else. If god wants you to minister to someone he will lead you to them. Only God saves. We are just lucky if we get to witness it.
Well we are supposed to stay rooted in the gospel of Jesus Christ Matthew Mark Luke and John and the rest of the New testament sounds like his philosophy instead of the Gospel of Jesus Christ Jesus said take up your cross deny yourself and follow me.and why was he mocking the person that asked him if he reads the Bible every day and we should.
I don't know anything she asked him, but I love everything he said! This man was SOOOO ahead of his time!
His honesty is so refreshing. I can't think of another public figure, Christian or not, who has had the courage that he had to be himself no matter what the consequences. He was a rare & beautiful man.
At 1:45 "Eventually we'll all be dead..." Pause. Looks at the camera. He died about a year later. Rich had a great songwriting talent with beautiful honesty. He inspired me to believe that God likes me with all my quirks.
Steve Brown would tell you God likes you, too.
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The greatest Christian songwriter who ever lived. and died. What an incredible interview. thanks so much
But, he didn't truly die, did he ? I thought he was a biblical believer in Jesus who passed on to God in heaven, to be with Him forever & ever.
Not even close. He was the best christian artist of the 20th century perhaps, yet there exists a man from the 1700's named Charles Wesley.
There also existed a man named Johan Sebastian Bach.
I Miss him soooooo Much......I Wish the Lord would Raise up more "Rich Mullin"s. There has to be more.........
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It's a different flavor, but check out Jason Upton. His music and lyrics are amazingly powerful.
What a small world. I was standing near Rich when this took place in 1996 - it was the last time I saw him. I live in Missouri and it's a long story why I was even in Kentucky. Never would I have thought I'd get to hear this interview again. Thank you for posting.
Definitely a God thing ,..in your life
I met Chris Tomlin when he was first getting big back in 2002 at the GEC in Nashville. Was a real nice person to talk too. It wasn’t until years later I didn’t realize that Rich had wrote a lot of today’s songs people do covers of. Rich was an awesome human being the world is a totally different place without him.
I was there too. I got a copy of this from the lady who filmed it a couple of months after she filmed it. Glad someone put it up on TH-cam. Great interview. A highlight of my life in many ways.
Rich always tells the truth...thank God!
"I think that God likes us awfully much more than we imagine." Wow! I needed that.
Jon Doe, That struct me also. RM says in a different recording. "God loves me, big deal, God loves everybody...." Find it and watch the rest. You'll love it, for the first time or again.
Him being down to earth is what attracts me so well. Crazy how a video from 23 years ago would hit home today. I wish I could see him in concert and talk to him! The dude would step on the thinnest of ice, lol. And tbh...we need that.
Going back to this interview I realize how much it means to me. So many folk caught up in the big, giant ministry scene, which is good, but there's nothing wrong with doing the Lord's work in little ways. We don't all have to be Billy Graham. We can just be us and spread the Gospel. Thanks Rich, wish you were here...
True that
yes sireeee
I just watched the movie Ragamuffin about Rich Mullins which lead me to looking up interviews of him and to this video. Every time I hear an interview or him speak I’m amazed at the profound things that he had to say. It makes me just say, “wow”. It’s awesome that his words are still out there for us to listen to and be impacted by!
MG522022, YES! Wow. Usually followed by tears or shouts of Holy, Holy, Holy. Isaiah. 6
24Kt. genuine, GOD- given, broken and spilled out CHRIST man! Thanks for the memories. Looking forward to having a chat sometime in the future!
Wow! All I can say is Wow! I'm studying theology at Liberty University and I just learned from him than I have in 2 years!
Here I am responding to you and I realized this was 9 years ago for you... How is life? How did college end up? Did Rich Mullins change the way you were going about things? He's a pretty cool dude😊
I loved him. Wonderful man of God
Wow!!! This interview blew my socks off and I just realized at age 42 through his words on this interview that I’ve been chasing an “idea” of myself as opposed to just letting God guide me step by step on HIS plan/idea of what he wants for me!! This interview gave me sooo much PEACE in Christ!!
Awesome Blue Skies Home Buyers! Chase Jesus, not ideas. He is DaVine we are Da Branches. Branches bear fruit. Us. Keith Green modifications. "There is a redemmer" and his name is Jesus!
I really love his personality so much. He is really a blessing, knowing and showing what Gods love really is. Through his weaknesses glorifying God, Gods redemption in his life.
So many people do useless things, and So many just talk up the game. Rich Mullins did exactly what God put him on this earth to do, and wanted to in ever increasing amounts or zeal as he got older. 2:20 - he says it himself - just be fully who God wants you to be. He was a great example of this ideal.
There is so much good sound theology in what he says in this interview that it's staggering.
At this stage in his life, he was running full head long after what God wanted for him. This pursuit is not well known outside of the spiritually mature. This Man died at age 42, but he was about 100 years old in wisdom
Feed the poor, give to the lord, ect. HAH! Try living on a Navajo Reservation in abject poverty all day walking around with not shoes on. Try giving over 90% of your own salary to helping the poor, the Indians and Asian missions to India, and live on $24,000 or less per year. This man did! That's why I respect him above all other Christian Artist of his era.
He articulates so much of what I feel but cannot put into words.
You were such a blessing to this world.. you and Brennan Manning.. will see you in heaven ❤️
so sad he died early, but seemed ready. Bless him
Rich today would be behind a piano or dulcimer in a 100 member church,not one of those dark places with 3 giant screens
Yup. Playing in a small Catholic Church most likely. Scott mentions it in this video. th-cam.com/video/w2ljRWNuXRc/w-d-xo.html
@@jdamon1000 Absolutely!
Love this, Rich was a pioneer in more ways than one. Good wisdom. TY! Sometimes by Step = Beautiful.
That man was sooooo smart...I'm glad we got to have him on the planet for as long as we did.
Jay Marcase, Smart indeed. He followed Jesus and used his God given gifts. We can all do that, no matter what type of Car or truck or now EV~ God made us to be.
I grew up with Rich Mullins in my life at critical junctures. Icthus took place down the road from my house every year and during this time, I was the "White, middle class, evangelical" Rich is talking about. The next year, when he died, I was at Huntington University, very close to where he grew up. I never understood the obsession Christians had with this guy, but I took him for granted. Surely, I thought, lots of Christians were just like him! lol It is 2021 and although I have totally changed my religious views, Rich still speaks to me. Thanks for posting this.
Stephanie Maynard, Late party arriver here. "White, middle class, evangelical" guy here also. I am a firm believer now the question is not how much do we give, it is how much do we keep. Sea of Galilee......Jordan River.........Dead Sea. I want to be a pipeline for Almighty God to pour through me to reach the masses. I am good with a few scrapes. Feed 5,000 people through me and inspite of me and I only get the scrapes.....awesome. Who can eat 12 baskets of food anyway. Wait, my math is wrong...12 disciples. 12 baskets. There we go...who can eat one basket of bread in one sitting?
AWESOME interview...thanks SO much for sharing. Learned so much from Rich's words and music when I came to Christ in 1996. He really helped me to make sense of Christianity.
I love this interview, especially his view on holiness-so good and so what I've been understanding through scripture.
Great video. I love the brutal honesty this man speaks. Not only is his music writing, composing and performing great but he is one of the best examples of living a Christ-like life that I have seen.
Man. The commentary around 7:45 about being free really spoke to me. The ability to walk away or toward any situation - I’m not there yet. But God willing, maybe I will be someday. Thanks for the wisdom, Rich.
Anyone who knew Rich, is richer for having met him.
I love Rich so much. He just laid it all out there... I doubt that he thought much about if he was impressing his audience. I think he just wanted to impress God.
From what I’ve read about him, he struggled with this. He knew how to get applause. He knew how to play the game, and sometimes did, but didn’t want to. He was trying to be honest about his struggles and what was real.
@@robcatmusic9523 FOMO and Fear of Man is a real thing we all struggle with in life. Those who say they DON'T scare me. Some have overcome much of it.
I really understand what Rich is saying. I currently go to a Bible study which requires strict attendance. I've felt like telling the leader I'm not interested in going anymore but last time I didn't show up he told the entire group (according to a member of the group) that what I missed the group for was not that important to miss attendance. I'm not paying for this nor am I getting a college credit. I feel like it is far more important...
I've had this song by Rich Mullins on my mind for a few days now.
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Well, it took the hand of God Almighty
To part the waters of the sea
But it only took one little lie
To separate you and me
Oh, we are not as strong as we think we are
And they say that one day Joshua
Made the sun stand still in the sky
But I can't even keep these thoughts
Of you from passing by
Oh, we are not as strong as we think we are
CHORUS
We are frail
We are fearfully and wonderfully made
Forged in the fires of human passion
Choking on the fumes of selfish rage
And with these our hells and our heavens
So few inches apart
We must be awfully small
And not as strong as we think we are
And the Master said their faith was
Gonna make them mountains move
But me, I tremble like a hill on a fault line
Just at the thought of how I lost you
Oh, we are not as strong as we think we are
CHORUS
And if you make me laugh well I know
I could make you like me
Cause when I laugh I can be a lot of fun
But we can't do that I know that it is frightening
What I don't know is why we can't hold on
We can't hold on
CHORUS
When you love you walk on the water
Just don't stumble on the waves
We all want to go there somethin' awful
But to stand there it takes some grace
'Cause oh, we are not as strong
As we think we are
Laura BP, I'm on a huge Rich Mullins kick that has gone about a month now, and I pray it lasts for decades. Having our eyes on Jesus and the videos and music already recorded by Dr. Rich Mullins avoids the moral failure possiblity of elevating someone to levels we shouldn't elevate frail men like myself to in this world.
Epitome of realness. What a cool dude! At the same time what a tormented soul...
J H, did you ever met him? Tormented soul in that so many people thought they were right incorrectly, instead of guessing and God was truthful in the Bible?
I miss this guy
To weak to sneak a peak!! I love you and am grateful for you Rich Mullins!! Gos is SO good!
I love his first answer and especially 6:15 onward. So many people keep wondering what God’s Will is.
@djk28161 This guy is absolutely the finest example of what a Christian to strive to be like. I agree with you, they need to take lessons from this one.
What a real dude
One of best interviews with him
this is awesome
Just Watched “Raggamuffin” 2013! the life and story of this beautiful man Rich Mullins.
I’m floored
What a loss
Jake Eman, Hadn't seen that one, I will add it to my list. Thanks!
Rich was a good man and he was a real Christian 😀 his outlook on religion really inspires me ! I also had alcohol and drug addictions but thanks to Rich's life story helped me want to get clean ! Thanks Rich and almighty God 🙏🙏
Wow. ❤
He was awesome! I was at that festival and was so excited to see him. I just wish I could have seen him more. I’ll get to tell him that someday.
dwtharpe, RM radiated God's awesomeness in such powerful gigawatts that it electrified statdiums, cities, and countries for weeks and longer. I saw him once. I wish it was 100's. No eye has seen, no ear has heard,....one day....
Great responses. For me the impact statement summed up would be for me to learn to be free to be holy, instead of bound up in my own concepts of how to pretend to think, believe, and live to be "holy". I see his responses as a great example of a man who was learning to be holy and authentic while also being very, very kind.
Holy Kindness. Let's make it a thing.
Priceless!!!
What a mighty child of GOD
I like where he tells us that we read and act on being Born again and even highlight it..but then we read and don't act on or highlight.. ..Sell all your possessions and give your money to the poor.. Then he says...
that's why God gave us highlighters. .
Beautifully done, Rich. Ironically I think his comment about Joseph being sold into slavery is about my understand of Calvinism and predestination. As an artist and a believer he nails the intersection and idea of interest, gifts and calling.
God can use any of us just like Gideon or Joseph. Rich understood that. He knew his calling was much larger than himself, yet humbled himself, as best he could, before the Cross in every moment.
AriickECA, 30 60 100 fold. Availability over Ability. God makes us burn brightly and not burn out. Salt makes things better and Light makes things brighter.
He was single but was ok with it. He said if your not strong enough t of handle a woman God gives you celibacy if you're not strong enough for celibacy God gives you a woman.
some people are just meant to be single for a good reason I think he was one of those ..
If I focus on what I have done or have not done for Jesus, I get depressed quickly. But if I put myself under the love of Jesus, and let him love me where I am at, no matter what, it lifts me up. Rich was so right about all of this.
I remember watching this video then googling, "where is Rich Mullins now?", I found nothing. It was devastating.
I cried all night listening to his songs after I found out.
Listen to his song "Elijah" it was prophetic.. went out with a "whirlwind and chariot of fire"
God knows where he is 🙂
I find myself grieving all over again as I get back into these interviews and develop a more complete picture of who he was. Maybe I’m starting to grieve for the first time, actually. It is so sad we lost him so early. He was prophetic, ahead of his time. He represents a way of living so foreign to me (something I’m not sure I want) yet I find myself wanting to emulate.
"when we bind our hearts we can free out hands" -Chesterson
I cannot find any real refereances of this quote...but i still love it...can anyone else
9 years later but it's from Orthodoxy "the moment we have a fixed heart we have a free hand." Peace!
Gilbert Keith's in the house! Love G.K. and Clive Staples.
LOL 6:20-6:30.....It's so funny - the way he says "Maybe you wanna go!"
LOL 7:45 DO YA READ THA BIBLE EVERY DAY???????? LOL
Thanks for posting this. It's the first I've seen of this clip.
Rich got it
I wish I had heard this interview when I was in middle school (of course, it would still be 20 years before this interview would even take place). But if someone had told me all this, it could have saved me an awful lot of anguish and angst and self-condemnation.
littlepinkhousefly, Great name. I wish EVERY middle school person was given the option to watch this. Maybe sign a waiver to be waved free from watching it. Keep reading the 66 and stay close to Jesus. He won't let us down.
@@johnschafer9026 Thanks for the name compliment. I was listening to John Mellencamp's "Little Pink Houses" when I signed up for TH-cam eons ago and the name just popped into my head.
Yeah, I think it's vital for everybody to know all this. We get so hung up on the wrong things about our faith, on the "religion" parts and not enough being plugged into the Jesus parts. He alone is trustworthy!
Awesome, he ever ready to praise God
How amazing. God's will is for us to be Holy. And in our weakness thank God for all things. It's kind of radical really. Just live our lives, be who we are and thank God? What a special man we have lost too soon.
such wisdom
I've struggled my whole life with what he said about God's picture of my life isn't necessarily how I feel my life should be. I just wish God would have seen it to leave him in this world for us.
Mary Sanchez, If I said I understood how you feel I would also lie about other things. I think I feel somewhat jipped and yet mostly grateful for the time to listen, repent, hear and see him live 1 time. (8/15/1997) GOD is so big and so wonderful. Ever watch "I wonder if you know him" I think that is the title. Maybe it is "That's my king!" I will see if I can find it. If you watch it and your HR does not go up by at least 5 beats per minute and we are in the same room I will check your pulse. Wild tangent there I know. Sorry.
I loved Rich Mullins' music (still do). I was in high school when he died (as well as when this interview took place). He was an intense guy. I know God honored his desire for holiness, but I disagree with him about God not having a plan for your life. I DO agree we shouldn't stress to the point of anxiety about it, but I do believe it is wise to seek God's leading, and that He does have specific plans for us. I'm also not wild about some of the shots he took at "white evangelicals". As a "white evangelical" I am getting tired of being targeted all the time by our left-wing media as being bigoted or out of touch (and it's much worse now than it was in 1996). The point isn't being a white evangelical or a Navajo, or whatever. The point is to be like Christ, and follow what God has said in His word. I have friends who are different nationalities and different church traditions, and yet we all want to obey God's word, and THAT is what counts. I think Rich Mullins really did want that. He was truly seeking the Lord, and I believe God honored that in his life. I believe Rich heard Jesus say, "Well done, Good and faithful servant," when he entered heaven a year after the interview.
As I listen to this interview, I don’t hear him saying “God doesn’t have a plan for your life”. Quite the opposite. He says God does have a plan for your life, it just looks a little different than what we are often being told. I find it remarkable, looking back on this interview, how WAY ahead of his time he was. Whatever Rich was tapping into here is something far more widely acknowledged today. He was a prophet. I don’t think “white evangelicals” are being attacked by Rich here, but I do think he was highlighting the disparity between the gospel, as he understood it, and the norms of dominant culture. What he says in this interview really resonates with me. I just find it hard to believe it was 25 years ago!
"Do you read the Bible everyday?" 7:43
First of all: Love, that is the will of God. However you map out your life God just wants you to be loved and to love. Secondly, how freeing was that talk. All the points and highlights he hit about the will of God and holiness just brings it back to an individual human thing. YOu can be you. And finally, he rocked that interviewer's world off kilter you can tell.
@NathanBarrow Ironically I just picked up that book from the Library today. Before I even read your comment. Thanks!
Rich sounds very Wesleyan-Arminian. He talks like a former student of Cincinnati Seminary. He also sounds philosophical like C.S. Lewis.
cgrscott, Love the Clive Staples and Gilbert Keith's of this world. My brian hurts when I think that deeply, although I still try. I will cheer on the hammer dulcimer players and poets and appreciate the arts. In college a guy summed it up so well. "The arts are so powerful because they bypass the brain and go directly to the heart." YEP!
We must examine our own hearts to see if we are in the faith. Our lives must be given 100% to Jesus. No compromise.
"God's picture of good, mental, emotional health is not the same as my picture of good, mental, emotional health."
"I've been to college a lot and I'm not sure if God wants you to go to college." lol
CreationScienceNerd, Mark Twain/Samuel Clemmons and Rich Mullins chatting over a Guiness is the only college education I want. I'll pay $1,000 to sit at that table and listen. MT-I never let me schooling get in the way of my education. Or something like that. Peace to you! Ten years ago you wrote what you wrote, wow. I am sure by now you stayed in the 66 and close to Jesus and guided the way.
Refreshing
@sonnyvarela No problem!
This dude was different!!
Truth
To the uploader: do you still need the information about the source/owner of this video? If so, I attend Asbury University (formerly Asbury College) in Wilmore, KY, where Ichthus was held, and I can probably get in touch with some of my professors to see if they know where this video is from.
wow
I wish we could hear both sides of the interview.
After seeing his life and testimony in the movie "Ragamuffin", I would disagree with his comment at 10:55
Amazing man, intriguing interview. Watch it in whole; he was onto something true.
I loved this interview and absolutely hated the movie. I felt like it did not at all capture Rich Mullins.
Stephen Willcox
I agree, it just showed too many of his negative behavior not enough of his inspiration and charm.
jmhaze2006
I loved the realness of the movie though. But yeah, it should have showed muuuch more of his charm.
Paul D I think the movie showed one picture of Rich...but not the whole picture. The Rich in the movie is way way way too self righteous and way too morose. It doesn't show his work with the navao nation or even his experience with the Catholic church...it generalized a lot of his life. It also generalized the label too much.
He presented his life in the real way we all should, no perfect and seeking to be yourself in God 's view not man kind.
Thank God I’m here! 😂
@brianukcsf i am in the background of this vid! this is also a strong testimony for me personaly. if any want to hear it sund me a message.
His car REVS onward Christian. LOVE tech. and the world as best He remembers it. Who asked the quiet questions? I want to interveiw her. John Schafer
Good attempt!
Is he drinking a beer?
I am the Righteousnes of God in Jesus Christ.. All about Him .. His Finished Work on the Cross.. we receive His Righteousnes as a gift
I cried out to God the day he died .
The third friend I have that died in a Jeep .
Be careful of those cars .
Be careful on motorcycles too. I saw a man happy on his bike . 45 seconds later he was dead by a crash with a pick up truck . Did not see the biker .
Rich was just as conflicted about his Christianity as the rest of us..This interview proves it...🤔
What? "Finding Christ among the pagans"? Strange thought and saying. He should have said; "To share Christ among the pagans". Really odd.
He sounded a bit jaded honestly
Tongue In Cheek
He was weird in some of his "philosophy", some of it was downright unbiblical.
I think Rich was saying there is so much Christian talk without the walk and so many cliches and noise in our traditional church philosophy that getting down to absolute basics on the Res could allow GOD to speak to him and deepen their relationship; for Rich to truly become as close to JESUS as possible. I think he finally (Became) and his prayer was answered to be with GOD. He even left this Earth in a bang similar to Elijah in his song.
After hearing Rich Mullins speaking here I’m convinced that Dallas who is the producer/ director of THE CHOSEN pulled all his inspiration from this one video. I just hope, that he gives credit where it is due. I don’t believe for one minute it all happened in his church that began with a play. NOPE, that didn’t happen people. Please tell me a Dallas gives credit to a Rich Mullins because he clearly understands the real ness of Jesus disciples and he himself. I believe I was drawn to this for a reason, a reason I will not be able to explain in a comment.
"How do I live out Holyness?"
Torah.
seemed sensible until the last one fourth...when they got to the part about "Holiness"...apparently he spent too much time listening to those pagan Navajoes, Jesuits and Brennan Manning. ...the last section was a spiritual trainwreck.
No, it isn't! Rich states "Well, for me, I think to be truly holy means to be really free." By this, he means to be unattached to the things of this world, and he is absolutely right! To be holy means to be completely committed to loving and serving God and not to be attached to sin or anything worldly. We are in this world but not of it!
@Hogsangels Amen
I want to be like Rich Mullins is like Jesus.
Rich would not be excepted by the main stream church or Kloves BS in todays America
to be interested in one another, how we are doing in our personal lives rather than the attendance. How are we doing on the group?? What does attendance matter if one of us is hurting spiritually, much less physically or emotionally?? I'm afraid of the baptist gossip will result if I fail to attend their Bible study, of which I'm not a part of anymore. The leader of the group is a well known minister and I cannot disagree with a single word he says. It is baptist. Go figure. How rediculous.
Kind of ironic that he pegs the Calvinists as the ones sitting around waiting for God to tell them which underwear to put on every day when he grew up with heavy Quaker influences.
I grew up with a lot of charismatic navel gazing in my circle and it was the Calvinists who led me to the near identical conclusions RM had come to here. I am not a Calvinist myself, but I appreciate that teaching in particular.
His comment on the art generally being greater than the artist would save a ton of folks from celebrity worship....and preaching is art too...just sayin'.
He had no relationship with the Catholic Church. He had respect for the saints. His Christian belief were WAY different than Catholic beliefs.
@@thereseklopfenstein3398 That rumor has been debunked by his family. What proof do we have other than an anonymous person on youtube?
He never once wrote anything about praying to Marry, he never even got close to believing that all other denominations went to hell, he states in this very video his desire to escape the ridged organization of the Church and there is no other more ridged denomination than the Catholics.
In my opinion he was non-denominational with mistrust for organized religion especially towards the end of his life. It doesn't matter how much indulgence you pay or child molestation cases you cover up. You can not make a lie the truth.
@@thereseklopfenstein3398 Excuse me if I don't believe letters and words written by a group of people that regularly cover up sexual misconduct. Even if it is true it explains why he was taken at such a young age. I can't imagine Rich Mullins worshiping a human in direct contradiction to the vast amount the bible preaches about it, and possibly God spared us from living in such a world.
Matthew 12:46 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47 Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”
48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”
Matthew 6:7-8 7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
Perhaps when making an argument for your particular organized religion, you should not mention one of the most abominable practices.
I love this. "He couldn't however, pull the trigger and actually convert (at that time)." Two years later he still had not converted, but I promise he was going to right before he died.
@@thereseklopfenstein3398 Facts are facts. Christ said what he said about his mother. And it is an abomination to worship a human. If Rich Mullins did want to start this practice the story you believe in is a huge smear to his memory. You need to get over your anti-bible bigotry. You can read it in your own language now. They have laws stopping Catholics from burning people for wanting to read the bible themselves these days.
@@thereseklopfenstein3398 I apologize for that. As my friend says "Catholicism is the gateway to atheism." Three of the four horsemen of atheism were once catholic so maybe he has a point. I am also bitter that any time I defend Christianity against atheist they always bring up the horrible things the catholic church did and I have to argue against that. I don't know how many times I have had to explain that the Crusades, the Spanish inquisition, The Medici, Bloody Marry, The Borgias and sexual assault cover-ups are not following Christ but the corrupt catholic church. Also every now and then I come across a holier than thou catholic who says they will pray for me in a very condescending way. I hope you can understand my frustration. Anyway I will pray for you to learn to read the bible on your own and stop praying to a dead human. See how condescending that sounds?
Must be Born again no denomination, ONE GOSPIL though!
Personal RELATION MUST KNOW JESUS CHRIST AND HE KNOW YOU MOST IMPORTANT !
after reading and raised Catholic, but not mans religion its a MUST be Born again AND TO WALK FILLED SEALED BY HIS HOLY SPIRIT, GHOST! FILLED WITH in and no OTHER NAME OR GOSPILE MUST BE SAVED BY YSHWH JESUS CHRIST!
YHWH "BEHOLD THE HAND BEHOLD THE NAIL!
owen trahan Coo coo
maybe he was killed of because he's independent.
Love you brother, but at 7:00 Rich misrepresents Calvinism and then goes on to give an actually Reformed answer
I am fully aware that Rich has been gone more than 20 years
Does he really mean, what he says? God wants us to be who we are? According to the bible, it does not applay to homosexuals.
Actually, Rich did specify. "Be who God made you to be." He also specifies that we are not supposed to lie down in our sin and stay in that broken state. Rich was very serious about following the Bible. Which is why he mentioned, holiness as a key.
Rich would indeed love Homosexuals, and they would love Him. However, he would also be honest with them about their need to change and live in the pattern defined by the bible.
matreames Well said.
matreames
"Be who God made you to be." God made homosexuals as well, it is kind of a genetic or hormonic abnormality. Actually homosexuality is not a bad thing, it doesn´t harm anyone, except of the homosexuals themselves because there is a higher aids-risk because of anal-sex, but that´s their decision, not the decision of others. But if you want to blame someone for homosexuality, blame god. He created it.
The people who wrote the bible thought diseases are a punishment of god or spread by witches who curse people, and you really take these people seriously when they talk about homosexuality?
JakobRobert00 No He didn't. Romans 8: 20-22. Any Sinful nature of any kind was birthed out of our rebellion since Adam and Eve. I mean as kids we even do the "littlest" things by lying and stealing. As for harming, all I can say is a dead person won't feel any pain from a boulder resting on him. As for diseases, they are natural, but it's also caused, once again, by our sinful acts in a sinful world. Honestly, this all according to if you take the Bible or God seriously at all, I'm just giving my point of view since I view God as truth.
JakobRobert00 Every single culture that accepted homosexuality as "not harming anyone" continued in moral decay and are still know to this day for their depravity. Western cultures are heading down the same path. Watch Californication if you can stomach it. Psychopaths supposedly have a genetic abnormality. That doesn't mean it is okay for them to kill people. I would take the bible seriously over your extremely flawed logic. @ Jakob According to the old testament adultery is punished the same and is as bad as homosexuality. According to Christ thinking about it is just as bad. You are just as sinful as a homosexual. If you don't believe this you need to read your bible more and listen closer to what Rich says. Don't wallow in your sins but try to be holy and don't worry about judging or saving anyone else. If god wants you to minister to someone he will lead you to them. Only God saves. We are just lucky if we get to witness it.
Well we are supposed to stay rooted in the gospel of Jesus Christ Matthew Mark Luke and John and the rest of the New testament sounds like his philosophy instead of the Gospel of Jesus Christ Jesus said take up your cross deny yourself and follow me.and why was he mocking the person that asked him if he reads the Bible every day and we should.