I get Titania's placement, but the fact she has some kinks makes her more of a B+ to me. Super meta for Relic farms, however, Razorflies are kinda worthless and die super quickly ( apparently they can also block your own bullets! ). You can't resummon them in Razorwing Blitz either. Her Dex Pixia's ammo economy is atrocious without a fully maxed Arcane Pistoleer and her Diwata is depressingly weak. That, on top of the things Brozime mentioned with her 2, make it hard for me acknowledge her as A+ since she shares traits with B tier Warframes.
@@deejayf69shes not only good in relic shes also super meta in stuffs like archon, effervo and void floods/mirror defence. Shes pretty good in spy mission also since you can archwing dash through traps and laser. If you find her runing out of ammo too quickly you should try running energized munitions on her.
@@ethanfinch6899 with no effort whatsoever. No script, no gameplay footage, no interactions, nearly no editing, nothing. He used 3 hours max to make a 2 hour video just rambling along.
@@CJack14dt It's nice to hear other peoples opinions but the video to me just looks like a "instead of just talking to myself i'll record it" With what Gurken said it looks more like an unplanned video that would usually be the vod before editing it into a proper video. The timestamps i think should be the least... there are warframes i prefer to listen to above others. Well im being a hypocrite. im lazy 2 which is why i dont even bother to make videos... but raishijtenobles3103 is the hero every utuber needs.
I think something important for Revenant is how helpful he is for veterans showing new players the game, he doesn't have any game-breaking abilities that steal their fun and running his augment can help out your newer teammates if needed and keeping his 4 on the back burner in case you just need a clear the map button(if you do keep his 4, I have one loadout with it and 2 with subsumes for other content). Like I like bringing him to all content just because his theme is one of my favorites and I really like Tank frames, but it's hard not to relay how useful not dying and not having to worry about dying is when you are focusing on showing someone else how to do stuff and sharing the immortality if needed. There is an entire part of the community, demonstrated by Revenant honestly, that just want to grab a strong defensive warframe and go swing a sword or shoot a gun. And that is basically what he does, he doesn't give out a damage buff like rhino or give aoe CC like Ne Zha, he just exists in his bubble, you swap out his 4 for Nourish or something and just go shit stuff.
It also really helps that Revenant Prime is so easy to farm and dirt cheap at the moment (but not for long though; he's the next in line for vaulting). When I was starting out I also gravitated towards tank frames (my fave at the time was Rhino). It gives such peace of mind to play with weapons without worrying too much about dying. I've since moved on to using caster frames more with Abilities that nuke but Rhino/Nezha/Revenant will always have a special place in my heart.
@@criomede9536U should try dante if u havent he’s literally immortal. I just came back after a few yrs off because of mobile n he single handedly got me back on track
@@criomede9536Do you know when he's getting vaulted? I started farming his prime a few days ago and have most of his components now, but want to know how much time I've got left.
And then on to your comment, I agree with you 100%. Though I will say I generally don't like tank frames... I can't stand rhino and nezha and most of the other tank frames, but for some reason Rev gets a pass for me... and I think it is a lot to do with what u said I do use him for bussing new people to steel path missions or archon hunts in my clan and am able to keep the whole team afloat with his augment... Again I usually hate tank frames too, I main mag, because I don't think the game should be so "chill" as zime would put it... lol
I think the big cluster of frames in A+ to B+ shows that the frame arsenal is better balanced than a lot of players give it credit for, which is impressive considering we’re at 56 now
I’ve always felt the tier list of the year should be at the end of the year and not the beginning seeing as by the time the next tier list rolls around all the changes made during that year are covered in the tier list for the next year. Makes no sense
Literally a couple weeks before the total enemy health rework. So I suppose it is still helpful but man. To have so much work somewhat invalidated must be a bit tiring for Brozime. It seems that every time one of these comes out it’s very quickly made obsolete.
Important thing about Protea: don't use any mods that restore shields while using energy, cause it breaks the first ability and it doesn't work as good.
That's a bug. I get why people always mention it, but it should (hopefully) be fixed sometime. Also, it doesn't matter if you use them or not, because someone else using Brief Respite will still mess with your shield gate.
@@minmaxed5297 I’m gonna say that’s a bug. I don’t care if it’s working as designed. It’s a bug in that in that someone else’s build is ruining yours. It’s the same reason as why Overguard now works with hunter adrenaline.
For what its worth your content around Zephyr got my gf into being a Zephyr main. Originally she had quit the game just as Fortuna came into existence. After we got her through her starchart we were looking for a frame she liked to have her go into steel path with. After seeing your stuff around Zephyr I get together a prime set for her and gave her your video. She has been loving her time on Zephyr since
I think it is worth mentioning that Qorvex's chest laser has a weird synergy with his 1 that isn't telegraphed anywhere at all; which is that when the beam hits the towers, it makes them pulse CONSIDERABLY faster, AND triggers the explosion effect that his chest laser does by default, every time it pulses. NOWHERE in his description is this told to you, but it is a thing, and that makes him CONSIDERABLY stronger than people give him credit for. He does still feel clunky, but his damage output is certainly nothing to sneeze at - not to this degree anyway. He does need a source of healing however, and I'd consider helminthing over his 2 for that personally.
You're not the first person to say this, but for some reason a lot of the build focused channels ignore it on purpose bc they think it's not worth building for. I'd at least inform ppl to give them the build option, but oh well. Maybe he'll get buffed if he keeps getting slept on like this lol
@@DalanorTheLlama oh yeah, that's a problem, agree. But this is a horde game, so scaling with enemy density doesn't feel like a bad thing, it's still worth bringing up I think
Nekros does have 2 very viable builds for doing more than just "loot go brrr!": heavy crowd control with Gloom + Arcane Eruption, or Nourish + Theorem Infection for a Necromancer route where your shadows murder everything with Viral/Heat while you focus on casting Creeping Terrify. Also, do NOT sleep on the Shield of Shadows augment! It not only gives you 90% damage reduction with enough power strength, but makes you immune to all status effects including knockdowns. Really underrated augment imo.
Yeah I honestly use Nekros a ton. I don't use shield of shadows but instead focus on being lazy with gloom. I do wish that despoil was just built in to the ability by default saving us a mod slot. Arcane blessing is fantastic. He's great for survival and excavation missions.
Status immunity cant be slept on. I was farming dagaths uniique resource to build her today so i was running steel path exterminates with large amounts of eximus for a few hours. I was running citrine and while she could handle it the number of times i got repeatedly juggles around by nonstop CC was insane.
I'm raising this comment from the dead to ask, as a Nekros enjoyer: do you have links to both of those builds at all? It's hard to know what to trust on Overframe but I really badly want to play my boi as more than a loot donkey.
i think the last straw for DE with limbo was the scarlet spear event, (where exodia contagion worked through dimensions) because since then he has not been able to work on anything relevant.
Dude I was just thinking that while he was going over Limbo. The last time I played Warframe was during that event and Limbo was in every lobby I joined. Interesting to know the last time I played was the last time Limbo was viable.
Now that you mention it, with regards to Revenant, as someone who plays a pretty much all the frames, i dont think I've felt like Rev has negatively affected any of my games where someone was playing him. I've never felt like "he's taking away what my frame is trying to do" or "he's stopping me from playing the game how i want to play it". He's kinda always just there when he's played. Never offensive, never absolutely needed in any content, but his players also never died/cause an issue lol
I'm inclined to disagree with knocking Gauss down a tic for battery managenment considering the battery is the reason you can build him without slapping a SINGLE strength mod freeing up valuable space for literally anything else. Very small price to pay provided he stays in motion. Unless you're an AFKer, then its no biggie.
Seeing Mag and Garuda in the same tier as Valkyr is wild. I feel Titania could be lower, like A and Volt could be in A as well. Agree with rest of the rankings though. Very happy that my boy Styanax is finally top tier. He's my comfort frame and my go to for Deep Archimedean (along with Dante). The new deluxe skin is also eye candy which is such a plus for me lol.
Titania is literally the best farming frame in the game due to how fast she clears the relevant content ala firefly. Being the best at clearing maps for farming purposes in the game about farming should be the definition of A+
I get your point but surely, a Warframe's tier is not only measured by how FAST they finish missions? Like I can see things like Mesa, Protea, Octavia, Revenant and Saryn finishing harder content like Void Cascade and Deep Archimedean with ease. Titania no doubt walks all over easy relic runs but as for the aforementioned harder content? Not that sure. Thermal Sunder without armor strip can only do so much. But I could be totally wrong though.
@criomede9536 being the best map clear for relevant farms is enough to make you a top tier warframe tho. Titania is the best relic cracker in the game much like how Nekros gets his grade purely by being the loot frame. The tiers are very meta dependent and titania is the best at what she does ie A+ criteria being met
@@criomede9536 you may be confusing a tier list with a list of warframes based on merit. This is essentially an overframe popularity poll. There's no consistency for criteria between frames other than how much or little brozime decides to play them. He likes valkyr more than mag which would account for their wildly incorrect placement
@CS0723 except that isn't the case at all. This tier list is a very accurate layout of overall design quality, usefulness and how the meta has formed. If you're somebody who actually plays warframe this should be a tier list you generally agree upon I would argue
Citrine's main use is as a catalyst to damage warframes. Her 1 pumps them full of energy, her 2 gives DR, her 3 lowers armor and stacks status for CO effects, and her 4 with augment guarantees crit on the whole map. I always use her when I want to go into ESO for levelling with a public team.
Shes goood cause shes not just a support. But a suppot that buffs everything youd want a support and does it well. Energy for thecwhole team. Healing for the whole team. And because its with orbs they can use energy conversion. Unconditional 90% DR fot thecwhole team is great. Esp when stacked eith other DR sources. Her 3 is holy shit at stacking status. And with archon whateber she can strip armor of enemys. Then herc4 is just 300 fucking percent crit chance for everyone. Also aparently hitscan weapons. But not beam or projectile weapons. (WTF DE?) Get their crit multiplier multiplied by 2x. Making itcalmostvas good as a headshot.
This video came at just the right time Zime!^^ Just finished a job interview (I'm like 99% sure i absolutely nailed it!) and was wondering what to do now!
It's rare to see someone review Sevagoth so accurate to his troubles. There's so many little things that could be done to make him feel better - Sow being able to recast, Shadow QoL Changes, additional survivability - that make him such a rough frame to justify sinking effort into. I still did, 24 Forma in including Umbral. I need help. But I love my boy Seva even if he needs more than just my love.
i didnt try out sevagoth for a long time cuz every youtuber ranks him low but im pretty sure seva is the 3rd best nuke warframe. the only ones that can outpace him are saryn and nezha. 1 forma is already enough to max out range which is the only stat he needs to 1 shot any number of mobs at any level within 50m without needing los. dante on release wasnt nearly as good as this and he was nerfed to require los in just 1 week so im glad everyone thinks sevagoth is weak enough to justify his kpm power.
Delayed 40% of the year to not be off by 15-20% with known upcoming reworks... I approve. I really think these should be done at the end of the year though and used as a summary without the usage stats taken into consideration at all.
Another small thing Frost got was content to actually use Ice Globe *for*. We now have a Defense mission that you'd like to go for long runs in (SP Circuit and debatably Omnia Fissures) where the risk of the objective getting blown up is very real. Of the two Warframes that arguably outclassed him for this, Limbo got absolutely murdered by the addition of Overguard so he faces much less competition in this role.
Since Garuda doesn't need Arcane Energize, you can put molt reconstruct on her and heal for 600 health (you and everyone else) with her ultimate. The complaint you have on her is completely fixed. And she still has the huge damage passive, a pseudo volt shield, a nuke, forced bleed procs... Also I disagree with keeping enemies in Grendel being impossible, but that's more subjective
@@Koranthus fym nontank. She has 420 armor at base and an invulnerable shield in front of her 24/7. With adaptation you're pretty well served for steel path.
@@Cephalon_Nodens Nezha is A plus because he is as tanky as Rev for majority of content that matters, while having other 3 useful abilites plus any subsume you want, and also having one of the better nuking abilities aviable with the newest augment the other 2 guys are right, Mag is definitely above excal, but Nezha is more than deserving of that A plus rank, you could make an argument he needs to be A, but definitely not below that maybe you just havent played him enough
@@Cephalon_NodensI took Nezha into Elite Arcamedia. Didn’t have to worry about dying, spread a good bit of statuses and even provided decent crowd control with my 4 during the defense. He is a very good frame and is Pablo’s favorite for a reason.
Looking at what he said about both Warframes I think it’s ease of use and how easy it would be to make them better. He doesn’t like how Magnetize needs an enemy to setup and has to be setup repeatedly, and doesn’t think she can be fixed as easily as Excalibur. He seems to think Excal only needs his 4 to made equal with normal modern melee weapons to be an A.
The wait was worth it. After all these recent changes but we got as much of a definitive tier list as possible now. Thank you kindly for the time taken to put this together.
@@maskettaman1488 it’s called giving them the attention they deserve. if it’s shit and i say thanks for making it i look like an idiot. i’ll say good work after if i think it’s good work.
I have used Grendel in meatball mode in most content with great success, but he really, really struggles with overguard if you don't want to just shoot guys. That's always been his achilles heel in my experience. He can also encounter an issue where a target is flagged as eaten but is still running around and counts as alive for a defense wave, where they're unable to be interacted with at all until Grendel eats that target again.
I wholeheartedly agree on Zephyr. Once you get the Helminth, putting Silence on her is a must, it turns every enemy ability off, and nowadays, more and more enemy attacks are actually abilities, so without them they'll just stand around awkwardly doing nothing or just trying to hit you with melee. My choice to levelcap the Circuit, as nothing is ever a threat for her in there, save for overguarded melee enemies which can hurt the defense objective if ignored. Also my choice for Archon Excavations, since she lockdowns so good that she can make sure the excavator is left untouched. You can even leave zephyr near it and go into spoiler mode to collect battery charges safely. Also, you can charge Torid and Angstrum's Incarnons by firing at her tornado if it's holding an enemy.
I like that you do mention niche specific content that even the mid to lower teir warframes are great at. Like Banshee for Lich killing, Chroma for profit Taker, or Volt for eidolons. It would be cool if in the future you did that for all the frames that excel at specific content, just to be more informative to the community. For example it's still worth mentioning Nidus is 100% needed when it comes to the best Endo farm in the game. Or how Limbo is still amazing at seeking out syndicate medallions.
When u say nidus is essential for endo farming, do you mean in the arena? In that case, larva being his subsume ability kills that. And the existence of the new landing craft (parallax) also kills that and xaku is also arguably the same if not better at that role.
Zephyr's Turbulence has the Gauss Kinetic Plating property: it's really good because DE overly relies on a specific subset of things when designing enemies, if they broke out of that mold there'd be a lot more dead birds (e.g add more melee units that are actually worth a damn). While I'm not a zealous Zephyr user she is the no. 1 best user of explosive weapons (and has been for a very long time)
Quite happy just how many frames nowadays are in A and B, couple of straglers that need massive help but a lot really just need ‘a little more X’, like damage, survivability or polish.
Literally, hyldrin being in A- and mag in B is nonsense, mag has better damage capability, better cc, better armour strip, and also gives shield to the team
A fantastic baseline for understanding most warframes and the way you typically enjoy playing them. While I have many disagreements I always enjoy comparing notes and this video is valuable to a large swath of the player base. Always informative and entertaining and coupled with your guides provides a much needed services to the wiki game that is warframe. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and reasoning, looking forward to what comes next. With warframe changes inbound and each year it being a different game, you'll have much to update.
I finally got around to building Valkyr, after putting it off for so long and honestly she feels great. It's hard to sniff at total immunity, and you can easily add Tharos Strike for an Armour strip, or Wrathful Advance for big nomber. She needs good sustain, but it's pretty easy to stay permanently in Hysteria now which is worth a lot
@@RapTapTap69 He said solo farming, Nekros has worse abilities outside desecrate that he needs to be carried for in most decent level content, Khora and Hydroid are better at farming in an area but their 100 energy cost 4th abilities cannot be spammed as easily as petrify with decent range, plus landslide costs no energy after you do like two petrify so for actual farming he has better energy economy. As shown in Brozime's Atlas build video, he has no trouble clearing most content with just landslide. So yes, he is the best solo farmer and is the most mobile farmer outside of Nekros, but Nekros is not a good solo frame at all.
Hey Brozime, I play Revenant. I'm a college student who's quite frankly got a lot going on in my life, whether that be college itself, home life with family, etc etc. Rev lets me just breathe and relax, and actually just enjoy seeing the progress my weapon building makes across higher level enemies. I'm so happy to not just hear a positive review of him not just ragging on him being too easy, too good or whatever. Like I know, that's why he works for me. So thank you.
True, He is a great frame for just exploring content too without needing to worry as much, plus a great frame to use when playing with new players, since his abilities are based around survival not nuking the map all the time. Sure, you can use your 4 to clear an area if you keep it but there's value in having that too with new players if they are trying to level up gear or just not running a very good clearing frame. I think the big difference between him and Loki was Loki was very oppressive to the meta when he was S tier (long time ago now) whereas Revenant is perfectly fine to just sit in his corner and not die but not mess with his teammates either, his augment even helps them if they are running squishy frames.
Voruna does not leave invisibility when using any of her abilities. She does only when you shoot or use melee. So she's like constantly invisible nuking machine that deals tons of damage
Personally, I think the only one I disagree with on this list is Gyre. I play her a lot, and with her new augment, she is absolutely crazy good in most content. Very fast, gives any weapon guaranteed crits (love this on Nukor with its very low crit, but super high crit dmg), spews out dmg across everything with continual rotorswell procs, just overall kills huge mobs very quickly. Pillage is a must, but with it she has very solid survivability, and can strip armor and shields off entire screens. I regularly outkill Saryn players with Gyre. That having been said, if DE wants to take Brozime's advice and buff her numbers, I certainly won't complain about it, but I think she's definitely slept on by a lot of folks.
He trash talks Gyre a solid bit and part of it is understandable but based on what he constantly says regarding her, I think he underestimates her power. Like here he said she "scrapes by" with armor strip??? She murders even 4 digit level enemies with armor strip. I just walk around and throw my ability every now and then and everything instantly dies. Overguard enemies aren't even a problem. He is right that her investment is pretty strict due to the 328 strength needed for her builds along with wanting range, some shield gating survivability, and energy solving tools.
Compare the description of gara. With an indarnon weapon and an armor strip subsumed on she deals with steel path, A+. Gyre needs an armor strip, but it also patches her survivability when you take pillage. And then you can just tap pillage every few seconds and have the highest kpm in the game other than saryn with dual ichor abuse,@@sasukesnake07
Corvex's 1 is very useful, if you fire his Crucible Blast into his Chyrinka Pillar it will cause all enemies into Chyrinka Pillar's range to sustain the Crucible Blast radiation explosion effect for a few seconds.
On Gauss: he can do static objectives just fine. Not sure what you mean. You can upkeep meter with 2 abilities in a flash, and his AoE infinite scaling nuke does pretty well in those scenarios IMHO. Dunno if it was emphasized, but he also gets free Primed Sure Footed, IPS/Cold/Heat/Blast immunity with the click of a button. No doubt he is A or higher.
If anything it just makes Thermal Sunder more useful, also doesn't melee still up his battery? In any case it's not hard at all. Even just zipping around with Mach Rush is more than enough.
Clearing up some misconceptions about Rhino from a Rhino Main: "Iron Skin needs Augments to function" Iron Skin's conversion to Overguard was a massive buff for Rhino. This causes Rhino to shield gate every time his Iron skin breaks. Previously, you could burst Rhino through Iron skin, causing him to die in higher level missions. Now, all you need is Iron Skin + 1 Augur mod, and you've got 2 full shield gates worth of time to recast Iron Skin before you're in ANY danger. You don't need Ironclad charge. You don't need reinforcing stomp. Iron Skin is enough to survive steel path content on its own. "He's hurting for mod slots" The Opposite is true. Rhino needs very little investment to function. Slap 2-3 umbral mods on him to gain high armor and strength (vitality is optional) This buffs your roar and your Iron skin. Slap on an augur mod like Augur Secrets for the extra shield gating. Then build for strength. If you run Blind Rage, then slap on a Flow mod or Arcane Battery. You are golden to do anything in steel path. All together that's 4-6 mods. The remaining slots can be whatever you want. I like to add a bit more range and slap on piercing roar for better CC and QoL. If you want to take it a step further, consider helminthing Nourish over his charge. Now you free up 3 mod slots on all of your weapons because your 2 viral mods and faction damage mod are covered! And you've got all the energy you need to keep spamming Iron skin whenever you're in danger. Oh, and you can freely drop Primed Sure Footed because you don't need it. "He'll carry you through star chart, but he struggles in Steel Path" Half True. He will indeed carry you through star chart, but he does not struggle in steel path. His kit just shines in different ways. Early on, iron skin is just a fire and forget invuln button. Later on, it becomes a broken shield gating tool. You can purposefully take damage during the invuln window to get huge iron skin numbers. This is even easier to do now with Jade Eximus. Standing in their lazer can get you 1.9M+ Iron skin and you're set for a while. Having access to unnerfed Roar is amazing. Having both roar and nourish simultaneously lets him do big damage on his weapons. Slap an AoE weapon on him and he becomes a nuke. Stomp is stomp. For console players it's a godsend because it lets you hold enemys perfectly still and land easy headshots on them. Great for incarnon charging. Overall, He's an A+ tier pick at the very least. (Arguably S) He can handle everything the game throws at him from the moment you get him all the way up to end game. Whenver he shows up in the Circuit I know I'm in for smooth sailing all the way up to level cap.
Thank you for not taking the easy way out and trashing Revenant. I get a lot of anxiety running through high-level content and recently was left to die and mocked by a teammate in a Netracell (when I was downed in the red circle, no less!) when I tried to get out of my Revenant comfort zone. While I've done research since to try and learn more about survivability with Warframes outside of Revenant, there's no denying that sometimes I just need something where I can go in with a little more confidence that I won't let my team down.
May I ask with what warframe were you trying to get out of the Revenant confort zone? Because you should start with frames that are easy to keep alive such as those with in built 90% DR and frames that can generate overguard easily and reliably such as Styanax
@@SR-de8rd working on getting styanax's parts currently actually. And it was Kullervo I was using - which I know what people are gonna say and yes, there's a lack of skill on my part because he's supposed to be great at everything but the reaction from the teammate just drove me right back to Rev. Basically all my worst fears about doing no-self-revive content coming to life
@@radicalrock1800Why not just try the content solo when out of your comfort zone if being around other people has the possibility of doing that to you? I have anxiety too, but I just do everything solo, even EDA, unless I need to level some gear, in which case I go into pubs solely for hydron.
@@NuritaTsekurai Yeah I basically decided right then and there that I'm not taking anyone other than Rev into netracell pubs until I can do it solo. sometimes you just gotta get through the search pulses though
Try Zephyr essentially Revs levels of survivability wiht her 3 (if you are not just standing in one place) while having some nutty dmg spreading with her 4, solid grouping with her 2, aaand a free helminth slot in her 1 that can be filled with multiple useful options
im only an hour in but does anyone else feel like all the reasoning behind most of the b rank frames is "this frame has a gimmick that makes them different to play from other frames, I wish they didn't have any gimmick and played like everyother frame. into b tier you go" or is it just me ?
I feel you there, but I see why it's like that and I don't completely agree. The A tiers are for frames who stand out compared to others. They are strong enough, unique enough to "be themselves" and are not restricted to specific gameplay. B and B- are for frames who are lacking one of these aspects. B+ are for those who just need some minor tweaks to make it into A. Just barely. Take Sevagoth for example. When hearing "Sevagoth", most people would know him as "The Gloom Guy" first and foremost. He stands out because of Gloom, but not because he is Sevagoth and offers a unique gameplay. He is unique, don't get more wrong, but doesn't perform well enough to function by himself. Gloom is not enough. The way I see it, what Brozmie meant is "this frame has a gimmick that makes them different to play from other warframes, but I wish it wasn't underwhelming as it is from different reasons". It's either "make this gimmick better", "this gimmick sucks and therefore hurts the entire kit" or "this gimmick is good, but this is where it ends/rest of the kit doesn't live up to it". More of a mixed bag of issues related to their gimmicks and not flat out make them play more like other warframes.
Bro I'm so glad you are still doing content and keeping it real. Well I respect and appreciate creators like iflynn still doing a lot of work, I find myself frequently questioning whether they have even played the game in the last five to seven years. You always continue to bring it and it is much appreciated! Keep it up
I love yereli one of my favorite frames to play for most mission types, even in steel path, some missions that have radiation damage aoe areas, is her one weakness where she can get killed easy, but any non radiation spreading places, she is super fun great to use, my daily go to frame for running most general stuff / farming runs.
I started playing a drinking game, and took a shot whenever Broz says "...that being said," ... I'm on my way to the hospital to have my stomach pumped. Good Times, No Ragrets, Top Tierlist of the Year, I give it an A+
I've been watching a lot of your videos for the past month or so after returning to the game after 6 years... should have subscribed weeks ago and kept forgetting to but the ATTITUDE you speak with about some of these frames is just *chef's kiss* 😂 for sure subbed now, thank you for your entertaining and informative work
Only part I massively disagree with is Mag tbh, I really think you undervalue just how good she is and how much she adds to a team. Having her in B is criminal considering who you put above her, she's def A- or B+ at minimum imo. Love and agree with the rest of the tierlist mostly, hopefully we get more blessed Pablo reworks for the lower ranked, clunky, and just old/outdated frames at this point.
Mag being anywhere below flat A is just wrong A or A plus for sure and I dont even play or like her that much, I just saw and tried the insanity she is able to do
yeah and I was just super confused when he said Polarize was pretty much useless, when her augment is one of the only things in the game that CCs EXIMUS UNITS in a huge area + it creates the shards that damages enemies and get sucked into the magnetize bubble and what the heck did he mean that Pull, one of the best grouping abilities in the game, is "useless later on".
@@gustavosanches3454 as someone who mains Zephyr, I wouldnt call Mags pull one of the best grouping abilites, as hers and Zephyrs do tend to be a bit clunky in decent amount of cases. but other than that you are spot on
Baruuk Main here. Guardians Derision fixes his issues I always hit red crits panzer combo + Narimen + Guardians derision 12x combo subsume elude for Wrathful Advance or breach surge for extra fun duration has to go up a little to get some effects so you don’t have to recast. Wrathful advance plus serene storm 12x I hit for hundreds of millions which isn’t the best but it wipes nearly anything
Main reason I switched from Gara to Styanax is because it's frustrating to lose all your damage from falling off the map or getting hit by a nullifier. Still love the way she plays and Ceramic dagger incarnon was a super nice indirect buff, but Styanax giving overgaurd to your whole team without needing to directly target them (like with shatter) is just so good
Armour strip -> Vitrify explosion can one shot Steel Path mobs fairly well. If you get a decent riven, you can build up Splinter Storm damage at 100k+ per whack, making millions of damage easy to get in a minute or two.
Do we know about Loki's invulnerability from his switch teleport scaling with duration? Combined with his decoy having higher agro than a defence target it can be a really chill way of doing most content.
Something to keep in mind with the pseudo exalted weapon warframes (Atlas, Gara, Khora, etc), DE has expressed intentions to make them moddable like normal weapons. This means that a lot of the Incarnon synergies and combo scaling mods may no longer work depending on how DE executes this change, making all of these frames worse off as a result.
i only recently started playing again (last time i played was before nidus existed) and this is honestly a good reference for which frames to put my effort into getting, thanks!
I pretty much have the opposite opinion as yours on Mag. Worst starter out of the 3 imo, why whould you recommend mag to a beginner compared to excalibur which melts everything in normal star chart with 0 mods? However the later you go, the better she gets, she is my go to for level cap void cascade, her 4th ability is completely insane, full strips with only 130% strength, in addition to giving you max overshield, AND crowd control. The problems you mentionned about her 2 are true, but thats why Pull exists... When your bubble stop pulling ennemies in, you pull them in yourself with THE HIGHEST RANGE grouping ability in the entire game. A+ for me
buffed Pull lets you melt normal path easily too, much more energy economically and with a much faster killrate than excal, provided you can stumble upon at least one decent weapon to capitalize on the tightly bunched enemies.
i agree Mag is the best frame from the starters but her kit is a bit more confusing compared to excal and volt those 2 help you learn the game a lot easier
Mag is S-tier this brozime once gave her 40% strength and complained about her bubble suck not being good. He's got 12000 hrs in this game but his builds suck. He cannot play this game for shit
Saryn always seems to get some insanely strong new tech every patch permanently keeping her at the top of A+ and constantly running the risk of breaking the game entirely
As a Valkyr main, I skipped straight to her section and I basically 100% agree. Purple Shards I find make her way better if you put Primed Flow/Archon Flow on her and mod her claws for some cold damage as well and it allows you to also maintain your energy economy w/Archon Flow. With that said, Valkyr really doesn't need a ton to be put into a good spot, but a few options that have been mentioned for some time now. 1. Rip line-> Would be less of a meme if Rip line, rather then yeeting enemies god knows where, pulled them in for a forced finisher. 2. Warcry-> Pretty much fine as it, but having the duration extended w/out augment(And changing augment effect) would feel nice. Otherwise swapping the armor boost for a move speed boost would help it have more direct synergy with Hysteria. 3. Paralysis just sucks. Changed to an armor strip, or some other effect, otherwise scrapping the ability entirely would probably be their best bet. 4. Hysteria has 2 issues, and 1 "sort of but not really issue". Issue #1 is exactly what Brozime says, the stance sucks. If you play her heavy attack, if you don't one shot it has a tendency to launch enemies into space. Forced slash instead of slam would benefit greatly. Issue #2 is that you can't use every mod on it(This goes for all exalted IIRC). Being able to utilize Amalgam Organ Shatter for Heavy attack builds, or Blood Rush for normal attack would do a lot for her. Finally, while not an issue, being able to put arcanes on her claws would be nice, Crescendo, Duplicate, and even Retaliation would really amp her power up.
No one plays Octavia because she’s too good. Like she is so op that she is boring because you would genuinely have a harder time trying to die/ fail a mission than you would succeeding. IMO Octavia is undoubtedly the best warframe which is why I don’t like using her
no one plays octavia because she's boring, not because she's too good or effective. if that were the case then speedrunners like wukong or immortal tanks like revenant wouldnt be the most played warframes. not everyone wants to sit in one spot and spam the crouch button.
@@homicidalgeorge shes boring because she's good, she can do basically everything in the game at a higher tier than some frames that specify a content type
Awesome video as always! I feel like Frost honestly belongs with the other B+ frames at this point. In the harder pieces of content we have these days Frost is one of the best options. For example, I usually do Elite Archimedea with a friend where one of us carries and the other turns all the modifiers on. It just makes things really comfortable and there's no need to worry about failing. When my friend carries he usually goes Frost. In this week's Elite Archimedea, we both had Frost as one of our options so we decided to just run it with both of us getting all the rewards in a single run and it worked out quite well even with the weapon choices not being the best. You mentioned Baruuk as not being particularly concerned with -75% duration, but Frost is also pretty okay with it. In Steel Path Circuit Frost also tends to be a good option. You put Titania in A+, which imo is correct, but Firefly is not her only trick. I've been a Titania main since long before she was actually good and she is my first choice for all of the end game content. With the right build she becomes an incredible health tank. In Steel Path Circuit you are pretty unkillable until the enemies get to around lv. 1000+. You can keep the defense target and excavators protected using tribute and recasting razorwing to keep the flies on the field. It only takes a couple decrees for dex pixia to dish out astronomical amounts of damage as well. She's the best option for completing steel path lone story duviri runs as she doesn't care what weapons are available and can ignore the kaith section of the wyrm fight using her 4. She is the best option for solo grinding mirror defense as you can pick up more crystals. She makes easy work of the arcons. She deals with enemies in Elite Archimedea very quickly and has an extremely good time on the double demolyst disruption as you can fly to the necromechs instantly and eliminate them as fast as possible. She's really good against the effervo bosses, including the super boss, as your flight allows you to dodge most attacks outright and your unlimited ammo allows you to consistently tick the bosses health bar at the rate the game allows without having to worry. Not to mention she's very good at collecting the eyes extremely quickly. She's one of the best solo options for grinding out plague star. She's probably the best option for netracells as you can fly to the 3 computers lightning fast and you don't have to worry about your abilities killing stuff outside of the circle. She's decent in spy missions as the blink you can use during flight counts as a teleport and won't set off alarms when you go through a laser door. She's great on interception because you can move between points super fast, afflict the enemies with -25% movement speed, and by keeping your flies active the enemies stay almost completely distracted. There are certainly changes I'd like to see for Titania such as making her 2 not feel awful to use and allowing razorflies to be quickly respawned without exiting flight, but as is she's still an excellent Warframe. To anyone who sees her as Firefly only, consider making a second build and giving her a shot the next time you see her in the circuit.
As a zephyr main of 10 years, seeing your take on her makes me happy :) She's just got everything. Survivability, enemy grouping, infinite damage scaling with your 1's augment if you want, great weapons platform using your 4, mobility, innate crit chance boost, EVERYTHING! She's perfect and I'm so glad that she's received such wonderful changes over the years, because I still remember the days of wandering tornadoes throwing enemies around, turbulence being inconsistent, airburst being worse than freezing wave, tailwind making you go straight vertical if you cast it on the ground, and her passive not having a crit chance buff. To any devs that might be reading this that contributed to making Zephyr amazing: thank you
I'm very surprised as a fellow Zephyr user (before it was cool) that you didn't mention the Gundam warframe and ship Skin! I honestly only dug deep into Zeph because of that skin. Liked her prior to that though to.
One thing about Magg is that Polarize eventually becomes redundant in her power budget so you can just subsume it out without feeling any kind of loss. Sure, it gives flat shields that are independent of enemy count like Crush is but Crush gives overshields, making her able to infinitely shield gate so long as she keeps her energy up. She dies to toxin or slash procs if she doesn't bother with Rolling Guard, but even without, you can kinda solve that by going operator for a few moments and hopping back into shield gating shortly after. I can't even start explaining why these abilities work this way but I've heard people say her magnetize and Wisp's Breach Surge are "infinite damage" and it sure does feel like it... Bubble a group, blind them, shatter their armor and watch them blend like overripe tomatoes.
The biggest question to ask if you're not a monogamer playing Warframe is "can another Frame do this mission type better" And the answer for the 5-minute missions is always "Wukong." And for any mission where defense and single-target don't matter, it's Saryn (and Baruuk for high-level). Defensive support? Styanax. (Wizard boi of you wanna be versatile) Offensive support? Wisp.
With limbo I understand where your coming from, however I feel like a big part is that the ways to play limbo that aren't overly broken/annoying are very seldom used, if even understood by most players. Using limbo as a weapons platform with his 3, and using his cataclysm to set up mass banishes for buffs is great, but requires a lot of button presses, enemy awarness, and a team that doesnt mind staying in the rift to kill instead of rolling out.
And a team that understands how limbo works. That’s asking too much sadly. This is why using breach surge on limbo was really good bc it essentially did what you’re explaining but without involving enemies to be in the rift, which made him wayyyy more team friendly AND even somewhat useful in higher level steel path missions and against eximus… that was until DE recently patched breach surge to NOT work on overguard anymore so there goes my cope build. TBH I think he’s F tier now in desperate need of a rework. Oh.. by the way, just something that’s always irked me is that DE never fixed it to where any enemies that are in the rift would have his limbos banish symbol above their heads to the whole team knows and won’t waste time/ammo trying to kill affected enemies. THAT should’ve been a QOL fix for him YEARS ago
If you are playing solo I think he is great. Early game you can build for map wide nukes/lockdowns, no worries whatsoever about energy economy, late game you can get nutty numbers with his 3 augment. Overgaurd enemies are a pain, but the damage boost can make short work of them. Survivability is iffy at best, with rolling guard out of the rift being the go to. Once you go public though, or hit those missions where eximus are the bulk of the enemies like netracells and deep archimedia, that's really where he suffers. But I think these rankings are more based off of team/public play than solo
@@charles5212 agreed, team play is solely where my problem with him lies but yes he’s definitely great as a solo frame, I just don’t want him to be pigeonholed into solo play. Would love for the augment for his 3 to be base kit tho. Would also love if we got some semblance of 2017 nuke cataclysm limbo back as well but in a way where we actually have to work for it by synergizing it with his 3 instead of just loading up on pwr str and spamming 4. This among other QoL type things.
@doootheytho9821 A thought I had a while back which I am unsure about in today's meta is having a energy regen and dmg increase apply to squadmates for each enemy in the rift. Maybe a passive augment maybe a 3 augment buff
@@charles5212 the energy regen part already works for teammates in the rift unless I’m not understanding you correctly but that dmg increase for teammates per enemy while in the rift is a great idea as. If his augment for his is base kit then that could be added passive and maybe the augment could be changed to enemy shields/armor decrease by a percentage per enemy affected. I thought I had was since limbo thrives in the rift but is squishy outside of it, maybe let him gain x amount of DR per sec up to 70 or 90% while ACTIVE in the rift and a slow decay while out of the rift to further incentivize switching in/out of rift gameplay
Always loved Gara, it's just as the game incorporated easier to access higher level content, maintaining an effective splinter storm level becomes a stress point. You may spend 10-15 min naturally building damage only to have it wiped falling/getting bopped off a cliff. Then you're left with the option of spamming 4>1 in a single spot to rebuild or resign yourself to it being weak for the next 10 minutes. I just want DE to incorporate a way to possibly lose a percentage of Splinter Storms last max if it drops. Like if you get 1M dmg in it and it drops for any reason, your next Splinter Storm cast will start at 800,000.
I think you're undervaluing the Loki changes, he has personal Volt speed without a helminth now. You say he "doesn't fit into what today's warframe wants" but he's practically invincible, extremely fast now, and can run a damage helminth in addition to that. That's like...exactly how most people play Revenant at most levels, but Revenant is without the mobility.
His Switch Teleport augment actually makes him invincible so he's invisible AND invincible, fast as hell like you said, can do spy missions quite easily and his "useless" passive is actually quite nice for some Riven challenges. His teleport augment also works on allies and most importantly his Decoy, coz Decoy actually has the highest A.I. target priority in the game! It's even higher than defense targets, so you can use this to force enemies to ignore the defense target. The only bad part of him is his ultimate and I really like one suggestion people had, that is to make it an AoE Overguard strip that grants the Eximus's aura effect to you and allies afterwards. This fits his trickster theme, would give him a very interesting niche as the "fuck you and your Overguard" frame, and doesn't require a lot of work to implement as its already in the game as a mod for hounds: Null Audit. Again, like you said, it's a free Helminth slot at the moment too. Loki is kinda underrated right now ^_^
I feel like you're down playing revenant tbh. What makes him nuts is access to a TRUE damage one shot. He doesn't care if the enemy has over guard or if he's at level 9999. That enemy will die. That plus uninterrupted invincibility. Like, survivability is on the easier side of things to achieve in warframe. Doing damage is harder. Usually frames that rely on weapons have access to an armor strip and/or a damage buff. When they lack one, they subsume the other. When they lack neither they likely go for a grouping tool or energy economy subsume. When they lack all of the above. They should be able to kill enemies with pure abilities. Loki has none of the above. And he isn't able to rely on abilities to kill stuff. The only frames that can get away with "just subsume a damage ability" when they lack all the parts of the weapon platform formula are frames that can super charge their own energy economy to stupid levels and spam thermal sunder like their life depends on it. So Harrow and Trinity and Oberon.
Back before the Grendel rework, I had a build for him that revolved around the fact that there was no upper limit to the amount of enemies you could consume in your feast. I ran massive range, low strength, mid-high duration/efficiency. Then I would cast feast, spin in a circle, and clear a room without the need for line of sight. It was the most fun I ever had playing warframe just because I could fulfill the role of gluttony incarnate
Chroma is definitely the "it's over bro let it go" copium warframe of all time, I know cause he was my main for awhile. I have him at 421% and he's still just outperformed in the end, maybe I'll try out styanax next.
Unless the next rework also changes overguard, it's not like it's going to change much for the warframes. Overguard is what shuts a warframe down, I can point out several where Brozime pointed that out as a game ender. The reworks to armour will perhaps make building for 200% strength less mandatory for frames that deal with armor reduction, some elemental frames will have a better edge against a certain faction though that's largely already a thing, but those frames who struggle surviving or doing damage will still have those issues.
Yeah, that was crazy to see. Even if Baruuk is "bad" in low-end content, that doesn't matter when you can solo SP with him. Then you have Octavia, who can just play the game for you.
Love the video. So informative!! And I absolutely love the zephyr mention I havnt really settled on a main but out of pure fun factor she is SO FUN if not one of the funnest to play and how satisfying her zero gravity is once you get used to it it’s bar none to any movement in game.
Chroma is really funny, he went from "Wow, he basically gets 3 extra mods from his abilities!" back in the dark ages when every single enemy was immune to all of our abilities to "Well, all he gets is like 3 mods for abilities" now that we've started having good content again. Not that he was well designed then, but he was really good for those farms.
Finally a tier list that appreciates Gara in 2024. You can literally max range nuke lvl 1000+ enemies with her4, armorstrip, and a good melee incarnon. Crazy so many ppl still sleep on her
One thing to note about Lavos' Valence Formation, it is additive and it doesn't change the element on your weapon. Also, it will imbue not only your guns but also your melee and archgun, which makes him at least A tier.
my comments has i watch the ranking (skimming the frames i dont care about or agree with) banshee being c- is a crime (she is super strong even in deep dives she can carry squads and with higher levels being made she becomes only better) Atlas being B+ is imo a crime (or more like he should at best be B-) lavos being c+ (feel he should be B- even B has he has the massive nuke ability while being a great gun frame with high mobility) hildrin being A- (when her only ability is pilage and a shield bar sure its a good ability but B- is the best i can give her and imo C+ is more right being in the same rank has chroma) and imo limbo should not really be in a tier list has if u know limbo and play his well he is easily a B- frame (with some modes/solo can outperforme every gun platform) but if he is played badly ye sure he is a detriment in all but a few game modes (2 of them being not needed like mobile defence) easily D or F and Vauban C i can only agree with if we dont use any augments has if u are using tesla bank he easily becomes a B/B- (not even counting the power he can bring to loot farms has yareli can do that too and zephyr) and equinox is in the same spot where if u count augments she is great has a damage amp/mild nuke some times and night being great support with shields and damage decreases for enemys with slows but thats already 2 augment slots and need of shards for the build but its good still B even B- but with things turned to max she is great and can outperform ember and a few more (and with armor changes might even just be better) and other supports (outside of Citrine) has ability str buffs are really powerful but that all with augments and in some cases subsuming over her 2 so generaly sure i can agree with C+ but if we count augments she gets into B (really want to see the lesser tierd frames get augments has base kit like oberon and equinox even frost and few more) for every single other frame i can agree with most if not every single one its just these frames really i felt needed more said for there rank or even should have been assumed to have used augments (lavos equinox oberon even if oberons still is C- maybe C ?) oh and loved the idea of barrage on yareli u showcased and made me play her quite a lot (i just changed her 1 insted of 3) still wish to see DE make is to hold cast with augment lets us use the k-drive
His criteria for them aren't whether they can be made to work its whether or not their kit works as a whole (or 3/4th of it even) and how much it relates to the current content. Banshee has no defenses and 1 good ability, she isn't carrying a squad she is enhancing the squad because outside her sonar, she is relying on a weapon to do everything because the rest of her kit is not worth mentioning. The other main factor to include is comparison to other frames that do similar things. Would you classify Banshee as a weapons platform frame or a support frame? Because there are much better frames at both jobs. If you think Atlas being B+ is too high then you clearly haven't seen anyone use him properly, just petrify and landslide can clear enemies of decently high level. Lavos' abilities being on cooldowns instantly mitigates the praise of his abilities if you can only use them once every so often whereas most nuke frames can spam it if they need to, outside of that his augment makes him workable around his clunky kit. I imagine he wouldn't have even made it into C at all without that augment. Your criteria for solo for Limbo contradicts the game's purpose, that has always been Limbo's problem is he interferes with your team playing the game because they have to work around the cataclysm, the only time he isn't annoying is those minimum range/ max duration limbos that place a tiny eternal shield on a defense location. However, defense is the worst game mode in Warframe and is basically just a sit on your ass timer, so being good at the worst game mode isn't exactly necessary, and most other frames can defend better while still dishing out damage. Vauban C is because he doesn't do anything special that isn't better accomplished by other frames, all frames in A and B push frames below them lower, which results in frames that can be used to decent effect being lower because they are not as efficient as they could be. Equinox augment keeps the charge, but the charge is part of the problem, it's an outdated style of play where you want to nuke an area once for a wave on defense then have to kill everyone again to build up the charge, keeping the charge doesn't really solve that problem it just lets you use the rest of the kit. Also, none of those abilities are better than other supports besides maybe Trinity and Oberon. Wisp, Citrine, and Harrow all are far more useful in their own ways. And like I said, other frames just outperform in general and far easier than having to bend 3 augments into your build just to barely be passable.
The problem for Banshee is that she's too squishy for what she's actually doing. Like, yeah, she can produce completely ludicrous damage numbers, but in 99% of content it's completely unnecessary to produce that kind of damage, and meanwhile she gets knocked out whenever high level enemies just look at her. Vauban is also straight trash. C is a generous rank for him. Everything Vauban does is something another warframe does better.
Been a Wukong main for 6 years now. Starter frame was volt and then I got wukong a week later. Had him before his prime. Idk why people dog on the primal staff so much. I take it to steel path and one tap enemies with 1.4 million viral. Cloud Walk is his best ability, being able to heal yourself, and remove all status effects, AND heal your twin, WHILE making him completely invulnerable while you are in cloud walk. Your twin does x3 damage to enemies, and when you choose an enemy for him to prioritize he will do x5 damage. He also makes use of all the mods on your weapons. Unfortunately he uses your ammo now and will make you run out faster. But it's well worth it to have an OP specter by your side. Defy is still his worst ability and I've swapped it out for Gloom or Warcry, depending on the build. He's still very op. To the point that I get bored and have to actually find challenges to kill my wukong.
![The Complete Story of Destiny! From origins to Shadowkeep [Timeline and Lore explained]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/9mbDXvDNqTU/mqdefault.jpg)
0:00 Intro
1:44 Ash
3:22 Atlas
8:02 Banshee
11:10 Baruuk
13:47 Caliban
16:35 Chroma
19:32 Citrine
21:34 Dagath
24:05 Dante
27:00 Ember
28:54 Equinox
31:36 Excalibur
33:55 Frost
35:50 Gara
37:36 Garuda
39:53 Gauss
42:04 Grendel
45:40 Gyre
48:37 Harrow
50:32 Hildryn
53:31 Hydroid
55:44 Inaros
58:11 Ivara
1:00:27 Khora
1:02:35 Kullervo
1:06:15 Lavos
1:08:52 Limbo
1:12:01 Loki
1:13:33 Mag
1:15:44 Mesa
1:17:22 Mirage
1:19:40 Nekros
1:22:38 Nezha
1:24:15 Nidus
1:27:03 Nova
1:29:02 Nyx
1:30:49 Oberon
1:33:06 Octavia
1:35:21 Protea
1:37:31 Qorvex
1:40:22 Revenant
1:44:42 Rhino
1:47:22 Saryn
1:49:16 Sevagoth
1:51:44 Styanax
1:53:52 Titania
1:56:11 Trinity
1:57:56 Valkyr
2:00:06 Vauban
2:03:07 Volt
2:04:30 Voruna
2:07:28 Wisp
2:09:01 Wukong
2:10:33 Xaku
2:12:54 Yareli
2:14:45 Zephyr
2:16:42 Closing thoughts/announcements
2:18:43 Credits
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Literal GOAT. Thank you.
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what about the ratings
@@noahedenborg4221nigga. Just watch the ones you wanna see a rating for 😐
I have tried to sort the tierlist by rank:
S Revenant (1:40:22)
A+ Gara (35:50) Khora (1:00:27) Kullervo (1:02:35) Mesa (1:15:44) Mirage (1:17:22) Nezha (1:22:38) Octavia (1:33:06) Protea (1:35:21) Saryn (1:47:22) Styanax (1:51:44) Titania (1:53:52) Wisp (2:07:28) Xaku (2:10:33) Zephyr (2:14:45)
A Citrine (19:32) Hydroid (53:31) Wukong (2:09:01)
A- Baruuk (11:10) Dante (24:05) Gauss (39:53) Hildryn (50:32) Nekros (1:19:40) Nova (1:27:03)
B+ Ash (1:44) Atlas (3:22) Dagath (21:34) Ember (27:00) Excalibur (31:36) Grendel (42:04) Harrow (48:37) Inaros (55:44) Ivara (58:11) Rhino (1:44:42) Volt (2:03:07) Yareli (2:12:54)
B Frost (33:55) Garuda (37:36) Mag (1:13:33) Nidus (1:24:15) Nyx (1:29:02) Qorvex (1:37:31) Trinity (1:56:11) Valkyr (1:57:56)
B- Gyre (45:40) Sevagoth (1:49:16) Voruna (2:04:30)
C+ Chroma (16:35) Lavos (1:06:15)
C Loki (1:12:01) Vauban (2:00:06)
C- Banshee (8:02) Equinox (28:54) Oberon (1:30:49)
D+ N/A
D Caliban (13:47) Limbo (1:08:52)
D- N/A
Credit goes to raishijtenobles3103 for providing the timestamps.
If I made any mistakes, my apologies.
I was looking for this comment, HERO!
I get Titania's placement, but the fact she has some kinks makes her more of a B+ to me.
Super meta for Relic farms, however, Razorflies are kinda worthless and die super quickly ( apparently they can also block your own bullets! ). You can't resummon them in Razorwing Blitz either. Her Dex Pixia's ammo economy is atrocious without a fully maxed Arcane Pistoleer and her Diwata is depressingly weak.
That, on top of the things Brozime mentioned with her 2, make it hard for me acknowledge her as A+ since she shares traits with B tier Warframes.
@@deejayf69shes not only good in relic shes also super meta in stuffs like archon, effervo and void floods/mirror defence. Shes pretty good in spy mission also since you can archwing dash through traps and laser. If you find her runing out of ammo too quickly you should try running energized munitions on her.
YOU LEGEND!
how is saryn not S
no timestamps in 2024 is wild
laziness
@@robertle7156laziness after making a 2 hour video on every warframe☠️☠️☠️
@@ethanfinch6899 with no effort whatsoever. No script, no gameplay footage, no interactions, nearly no editing, nothing. He used 3 hours max to make a 2 hour video just rambling along.
@@gurkengerd9981LOL "no effort whatsoever" on a 2 hour video. You are the problem bud; you have serious entitlement issues with free content.
@@CJack14dt It's nice to hear other peoples opinions but the video to me just looks like a "instead of just talking to myself i'll record it" With what Gurken said it looks more like an unplanned video that would usually be the vod before editing it into a proper video. The timestamps i think should be the least... there are warframes i prefer to listen to above others.
Well im being a hypocrite. im lazy 2 which is why i dont even bother to make videos... but raishijtenobles3103 is the hero every utuber needs.
I think something important for Revenant is how helpful he is for veterans showing new players the game, he doesn't have any game-breaking abilities that steal their fun and running his augment can help out your newer teammates if needed and keeping his 4 on the back burner in case you just need a clear the map button(if you do keep his 4, I have one loadout with it and 2 with subsumes for other content). Like I like bringing him to all content just because his theme is one of my favorites and I really like Tank frames, but it's hard not to relay how useful not dying and not having to worry about dying is when you are focusing on showing someone else how to do stuff and sharing the immortality if needed. There is an entire part of the community, demonstrated by Revenant honestly, that just want to grab a strong defensive warframe and go swing a sword or shoot a gun. And that is basically what he does, he doesn't give out a damage buff like rhino or give aoe CC like Ne Zha, he just exists in his bubble, you swap out his 4 for Nourish or something and just go shit stuff.
It also really helps that Revenant Prime is so easy to farm and dirt cheap at the moment (but not for long though; he's the next in line for vaulting). When I was starting out I also gravitated towards tank frames (my fave at the time was Rhino). It gives such peace of mind to play with weapons without worrying too much about dying. I've since moved on to using caster frames more with Abilities that nuke but Rhino/Nezha/Revenant will always have a special place in my heart.
@@criomede9536U should try dante if u havent he’s literally immortal. I just came back after a few yrs off because of mobile n he single handedly got me back on track
@@criomede9536Do you know when he's getting vaulted? I started farming his prime a few days ago and have most of his components now, but want to know how much time I've got left.
Primes come (and thus vaultings) every 3 months (give or take a few weeks)... protea dropped may 1st I think so u have most of 2 months left ish
And then on to your comment, I agree with you 100%. Though I will say I generally don't like tank frames... I can't stand rhino and nezha and most of the other tank frames, but for some reason Rev gets a pass for me... and I think it is a lot to do with what u said I do use him for bussing new people to steel path missions or archon hunts in my clan and am able to keep the whole team afloat with his augment... Again I usually hate tank frames too, I main mag, because I don't think the game should be so "chill" as zime would put it... lol
I think the big cluster of frames in A+ to B+ shows that the frame arsenal is better balanced than a lot of players give it credit for, which is impressive considering we’re at 56 now
its finally arrived half way in the year
It's better this way. Feels authentically like a 2024 tier list instead of 2023 in review.
I’ve always felt the tier list of the year should be at the end of the year and not the beginning seeing as by the time the next tier list rolls around all the changes made during that year are covered in the tier list for the next year. Makes no sense
@phoenixlamp2 exactly if you release a 2024 tier list in January it's going to be much more for 2023 than it is for 2024 come the end of the year.
No one asked or cared
Literally a couple weeks before the total enemy health rework. So I suppose it is still helpful but man. To have so much work somewhat invalidated must be a bit tiring for Brozime. It seems that every time one of these comes out it’s very quickly made obsolete.
Important thing about Protea: don't use any mods that restore shields while using energy, cause it breaks the first ability and it doesn't work as good.
That's a bug. I get why people always mention it, but it should (hopefully) be fixed sometime. Also, it doesn't matter if you use them or not, because someone else using Brief Respite will still mess with your shield gate.
That's not a bug that's literally just how shield gating works. I will say, someone else on brief respite is annoying
@@minmaxed5297 I’m gonna say that’s a bug. I don’t care if it’s working as designed. It’s a bug in that in that someone else’s build is ruining yours. It’s the same reason as why Overguard now works with hunter adrenaline.
@@SiverFangBlackWingDo you not understand the definition of a bug?
@@SiverFangBlackWingretard
For what its worth your content around Zephyr got my gf into being a Zephyr main.
Originally she had quit the game just as Fortuna came into existence. After we got her through her starchart we were looking for a frame she liked to have her go into steel path with. After seeing your stuff around Zephyr I get together a prime set for her and gave her your video. She has been loving her time on Zephyr since
Dude, she’s been your girlfriend for over 6 yrs…put a ring on it buddy.
@@Cyberhawkzzfr fr.
@@Cyberhawkzzagreed
Give her a ring, brother. marry her
Man I wish my girlfriend played Warframe. Still love her though
I think it is worth mentioning that Qorvex's chest laser has a weird synergy with his 1 that isn't telegraphed anywhere at all; which is that when the beam hits the towers, it makes them pulse CONSIDERABLY faster, AND triggers the explosion effect that his chest laser does by default, every time it pulses. NOWHERE in his description is this told to you, but it is a thing, and that makes him CONSIDERABLY stronger than people give him credit for. He does still feel clunky, but his damage output is certainly nothing to sneeze at - not to this degree anyway. He does need a source of healing however, and I'd consider helminthing over his 2 for that personally.
You're not the first person to say this, but for some reason a lot of the build focused channels ignore it on purpose bc they think it's not worth building for. I'd at least inform ppl to give them the build option, but oh well. Maybe he'll get buffed if he keeps getting slept on like this lol
@@blitzfyre669 The problem is he need enemy density to make it work really well and outside of steel path survival your options are very limited.
Isn't that interaction mentioned in the tips section?
@@DalanorTheLlama oh yeah, that's a problem, agree. But this is a horde game, so scaling with enemy density doesn't feel like a bad thing, it's still worth bringing up I think
@@blitzfyre669 Sure but majority of the game modes are not like that and normal mode as a whole has terrible spawn rate. Even on PC.
Damn, Nekros getting slapped with the performance review. Hope he gets the additional training he needs before receiving a pink slip.
dont even play Warframe anymore, but can't miss a Brozime tierlist
Can you hand me some of your mods and weapons lol
@@BT-jg2xv don't be begging man. Get out there and grind 💪💪
Ain't no way bro just begged for mods under a brozime video, bro is broke as shit 😭😭
@@BT-jg2xv May I offer you a harrow chassis blueprint in these trying times
@@phlixcarbondo you realize what you're trying to give away ? That 1500 Plat easy
Nekros does have 2 very viable builds for doing more than just "loot go brrr!": heavy crowd control with Gloom + Arcane Eruption, or Nourish + Theorem Infection for a Necromancer route where your shadows murder everything with Viral/Heat while you focus on casting Creeping Terrify.
Also, do NOT sleep on the Shield of Shadows augment! It not only gives you 90% damage reduction with enough power strength, but makes you immune to all status effects including knockdowns. Really underrated augment imo.
^^^^ This.
Also using Arcane Blessing and Equilibrium to become a literal tank.
Yeah I honestly use Nekros a ton. I don't use shield of shadows but instead focus on being lazy with gloom. I do wish that despoil was just built in to the ability by default saving us a mod slot. Arcane blessing is fantastic. He's great for survival and excavation missions.
Status immunity cant be slept on. I was farming dagaths uniique resource to build her today so i was running steel path exterminates with large amounts of eximus for a few hours. I was running citrine and while she could handle it the number of times i got repeatedly juggles around by nonstop CC was insane.
I'm raising this comment from the dead to ask, as a Nekros enjoyer: do you have links to both of those builds at all? It's hard to know what to trust on Overframe but I really badly want to play my boi as more than a loot donkey.
i think the last straw for DE with limbo was the scarlet spear event, (where exodia contagion worked through dimensions) because since then he has not been able to work on anything relevant.
Dude I was just thinking that while he was going over Limbo. The last time I played Warframe was during that event and Limbo was in every lobby I joined. Interesting to know the last time I played was the last time Limbo was viable.
Now that you mention it, with regards to Revenant, as someone who plays a pretty much all the frames, i dont think I've felt like Rev has negatively affected any of my games where someone was playing him. I've never felt like "he's taking away what my frame is trying to do" or "he's stopping me from playing the game how i want to play it".
He's kinda always just there when he's played. Never offensive, never absolutely needed in any content, but his players also never died/cause an issue lol
He also has somewhat of an Octavia situation as in he's boring to play for a great majority despite being so good supposedly.
@@cdgonepotatoes4219well it’s not supposedly.. he’s literally invincible. Definitely got bored of playing him though
@@navisreyam8812 every shieldgate frame is basically also immortal, just tiny skill needed (not much though)
@@1seishiro130 alll it takes for a shieldgate frame tto die is an unfortunate times CC attack.
@@1seishiro130 yeah but it’s not the same, Revenant you press 2 and turn your brain off
I'm inclined to disagree with knocking Gauss down a tic for battery managenment considering the battery is the reason you can build him without slapping a SINGLE strength mod freeing up valuable space for literally anything else. Very small price to pay provided he stays in motion. Unless you're an AFKer, then its no biggie.
Seeing Mag and Garuda in the same tier as Valkyr is wild. I feel Titania could be lower, like A and Volt could be in A as well. Agree with rest of the rankings though. Very happy that my boy Styanax is finally top tier. He's my comfort frame and my go to for Deep Archimedean (along with Dante). The new deluxe skin is also eye candy which is such a plus for me lol.
Titania is literally the best farming frame in the game due to how fast she clears the relevant content ala firefly. Being the best at clearing maps for farming purposes in the game about farming should be the definition of A+
I get your point but surely, a Warframe's tier is not only measured by how FAST they finish missions? Like I can see things like Mesa, Protea, Octavia, Revenant and Saryn finishing harder content like Void Cascade and Deep Archimedean with ease. Titania no doubt walks all over easy relic runs but as for the aforementioned harder content? Not that sure. Thermal Sunder without armor strip can only do so much. But I could be totally wrong though.
@criomede9536 being the best map clear for relevant farms is enough to make you a top tier warframe tho. Titania is the best relic cracker in the game much like how Nekros gets his grade purely by being the loot frame. The tiers are very meta dependent and titania is the best at what she does ie A+ criteria being met
@@criomede9536 you may be confusing a tier list with a list of warframes based on merit. This is essentially an overframe popularity poll. There's no consistency for criteria between frames other than how much or little brozime decides to play them. He likes valkyr more than mag which would account for their wildly incorrect placement
@CS0723 except that isn't the case at all. This tier list is a very accurate layout of overall design quality, usefulness and how the meta has formed. If you're somebody who actually plays warframe this should be a tier list you generally agree upon I would argue
Citrine's main use is as a catalyst to damage warframes. Her 1 pumps them full of energy, her 2 gives DR, her 3 lowers armor and stacks status for CO effects, and her 4 with augment guarantees crit on the whole map. I always use her when I want to go into ESO for levelling with a public team.
yesss she’s such a good support at that specific thing
Shes goood cause shes not just a support. But a suppot that buffs everything youd want a support and does it well. Energy for thecwhole team. Healing for the whole team. And because its with orbs they can use energy conversion. Unconditional 90% DR fot thecwhole team is great. Esp when stacked eith other DR sources. Her 3 is holy shit at stacking status. And with archon whateber she can strip armor of enemys. Then herc4 is just 300 fucking percent crit chance for everyone. Also aparently hitscan weapons. But not beam or projectile weapons. (WTF DE?) Get their crit multiplier multiplied by 2x. Making itcalmostvas good as a headshot.
Insane how Revenant went from C to S with a simple gating effect to his Mesmer Skin.
When was he C? Wasn't he S since release. Just slept on
@@ReallyGnashty626 he was ranked C tier when he first came out. Back then, his Mesmer Skin can be instantly depleted by a heavy gunner.
and that's only one of his builds
@@longps9528 gotcha ty
This video came at just the right time Zime!^^ Just finished a job interview (I'm like 99% sure i absolutely nailed it!) and was wondering what to do now!
Nice, congrats on the job interview going well!
@@raishijtenobles3103 much appreciated!^^
Good going! Hoping for the best 💪
It's rare to see someone review Sevagoth so accurate to his troubles. There's so many little things that could be done to make him feel better - Sow being able to recast, Shadow QoL Changes, additional survivability - that make him such a rough frame to justify sinking effort into. I still did, 24 Forma in including Umbral. I need help. But I love my boy Seva even if he needs more than just my love.
I hope the prime does him justice, for you 🙏
Sevagoth, I mean Forma Prime incoming is going to be an interesting WF arc when that happens.
i didnt try out sevagoth for a long time cuz every youtuber ranks him low but im pretty sure seva is the 3rd best nuke warframe. the only ones that can outpace him are saryn and nezha. 1 forma is already enough to max out range which is the only stat he needs to 1 shot any number of mobs at any level within 50m without needing los. dante on release wasnt nearly as good as this and he was nerfed to require los in just 1 week so im glad everyone thinks sevagoth is weak enough to justify his kpm power.
Why you put 24 formas? I just put 6 and is enough to do netracell solo.
Delayed 40% of the year to not be off by 15-20% with known upcoming reworks... I approve. I really think these should be done at the end of the year though and used as a summary without the usage stats taken into consideration at all.
Another small thing Frost got was content to actually use Ice Globe *for*. We now have a Defense mission that you'd like to go for long runs in (SP Circuit and debatably Omnia Fissures) where the risk of the objective getting blown up is very real. Of the two Warframes that arguably outclassed him for this, Limbo got absolutely murdered by the addition of Overguard so he faces much less competition in this role.
Augment for atlas: rumblers also punch a nearby enemy when you punch
janky. but original. and would atleast make them somewhat useful
solid idea
Since Garuda doesn't need Arcane Energize, you can put molt reconstruct on her and heal for 600 health (you and everyone else) with her ultimate.
The complaint you have on her is completely fixed. And she still has the huge damage passive, a pseudo volt shield, a nuke, forced bleed procs...
Also I disagree with keeping enemies in Grendel being impossible, but that's more subjective
600 health on a non tank warframe is basically nothing.
@@Koranthus fym nontank. She has 420 armor at base and an invulnerable shield in front of her 24/7. With adaptation you're pretty well served for steel path.
@@Koranthus"Non-tank warframe." You're talking about Garuda? Tell me you don't know what you're talking about without saying it.
@@KoranthusGaruda can’t health tank? You definitely haven’t played her
@@Koranthus600 health also nothing for a tank warframes
Only three frames need health tanking
Garuda has scaling damage, it be useful on level cap
A TWO HOUR and TWENTY MINUTE tier list?!?! Ok, you know what, I'm down, let's do this. Let me make some coffee.
Putting mag below excalibur is criminal.
She has more damage potential, survivability, armor strip, and support than Excalibur. Yeah I have no idea how his math tracks on that
@@Brandon-hc2cy He is completely not objective. Nezha have A+ because he is fast...
@@Cephalon_Nodens Nezha is A plus because he is as tanky as Rev for majority of content that matters, while having other 3 useful abilites plus any subsume you want, and also having one of the better nuking abilities aviable with the newest augment
the other 2 guys are right, Mag is definitely above excal, but Nezha is more than deserving of that A plus rank, you could make an argument he needs to be A, but definitely not below that
maybe you just havent played him enough
@@Cephalon_NodensI took Nezha into Elite Arcamedia. Didn’t have to worry about dying, spread a good bit of statuses and even provided decent crowd control with my 4 during the defense. He is a very good frame and is Pablo’s favorite for a reason.
Looking at what he said about both Warframes I think it’s ease of use and how easy it would be to make them better. He doesn’t like how Magnetize needs an enemy to setup and has to be setup repeatedly, and doesn’t think she can be fixed as easily as Excalibur. He seems to think Excal only needs his 4 to made equal with normal modern melee weapons to be an A.
The wait was worth it. After all these recent changes but we got as much of a definitive tier list as possible now. Thank you kindly for the time taken to put this together.
The video was 4 minutes old when you posted this
@@hillbillysamurai And?
@@maskettaman1488don’t you give your respects to the film AFTER you’ve watched it..?
@@cwj2733 No? You could thank the director and the crew for their efforts before watching the film. What's wrong with you?
@@maskettaman1488 it’s called giving them the attention they deserve. if it’s shit and i say thanks for making it i look like an idiot. i’ll say good work after if i think it’s good work.
I have used Grendel in meatball mode in most content with great success, but he really, really struggles with overguard if you don't want to just shoot guys. That's always been his achilles heel in my experience.
He can also encounter an issue where a target is flagged as eaten but is still running around and counts as alive for a defense wave, where they're unable to be interacted with at all until Grendel eats that target again.
I wholeheartedly agree on Zephyr.
Once you get the Helminth, putting Silence on her is a must, it turns every enemy ability off, and nowadays, more and more enemy attacks are actually abilities, so without them they'll just stand around awkwardly doing nothing or just trying to hit you with melee.
My choice to levelcap the Circuit, as nothing is ever a threat for her in there, save for overguarded melee enemies which can hurt the defense objective if ignored. Also my choice for Archon Excavations, since she lockdowns so good that she can make sure the excavator is left untouched. You can even leave zephyr near it and go into spoiler mode to collect battery charges safely.
Also, you can charge Torid and Angstrum's Incarnons by firing at her tornado if it's holding an enemy.
I like that you do mention niche specific content that even the mid to lower teir warframes are great at. Like Banshee for Lich killing, Chroma for profit Taker, or Volt for eidolons. It would be cool if in the future you did that for all the frames that excel at specific content, just to be more informative to the community. For example it's still worth mentioning Nidus is 100% needed when it comes to the best Endo farm in the game. Or how Limbo is still amazing at seeking out syndicate medallions.
When u say nidus is essential for endo farming, do you mean in the arena? In that case, larva being his subsume ability kills that. And the existence of the new landing craft (parallax) also kills that and xaku is also arguably the same if not better at that role.
@@flashsagitario regardless, I hope you at least understand my point.
Huge Amount of work went into this so I can't help but preform engagement in return. Well done Brozime.
Same
The way you lead into the talk about Frost as it slowly zoomed in was so perfect.
Note that abilities from the codex warframe inspects are shown as rank 0 stats
Yea unfortunately the case wish they would change that I think it was max rank stats before the UI change happened
Zephyr's Turbulence has the Gauss Kinetic Plating property: it's really good because DE overly relies on a specific subset of things when designing enemies, if they broke out of that mold there'd be a lot more dead birds (e.g add more melee units that are actually worth a damn).
While I'm not a zealous Zephyr user she is the no. 1 best user of explosive weapons (and has been for a very long time)
Quite happy just how many frames nowadays are in A and B, couple of straglers that need massive help but a lot really just need ‘a little more X’, like damage, survivability or polish.
Putting Mag in B-tier is criminal. 💀
Why?
That's some aggressive coping
That's when you know when someone doesn't know how to play Mag.
Literally, hyldrin being in A- and mag in B is nonsense, mag has better damage capability, better cc, better armour strip, and also gives shield to the team
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Nyx with Silence or with her 4th augment and Kullervo's Helminth has been my favorite builds recently
A fantastic baseline for understanding most warframes and the way you typically enjoy playing them. While I have many disagreements I always enjoy comparing notes and this video is valuable to a large swath of the player base. Always informative and entertaining and coupled with your guides provides a much needed services to the wiki game that is warframe. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and reasoning, looking forward to what comes next. With warframe changes inbound and each year it being a different game, you'll have much to update.
I am praying Pablo gives Atlas & Valkyr some love because its kinda sad seeing them collect digital dust in my inventory
I finally got around to building Valkyr, after putting it off for so long and honestly she feels great. It's hard to sniff at total immunity, and you can easily add Tharos Strike for an Armour strip, or Wrathful Advance for big nomber. She needs good sustain, but it's pretty easy to stay permanently in Hysteria now which is worth a lot
I just put a ton of purple shards on valk and atlas crushes with ceramic dagger. It's not great that we have to do that but it makes them playable so🤷
atlas is literally the best solo farmer in the game
@@sedivh0 he's literally not. Khora, hydroid, and nekros give more loot for cheaper energy costs as well as having useful abilities.
@@RapTapTap69 He said solo farming, Nekros has worse abilities outside desecrate that he needs to be carried for in most decent level content, Khora and Hydroid are better at farming in an area but their 100 energy cost 4th abilities cannot be spammed as easily as petrify with decent range, plus landslide costs no energy after you do like two petrify so for actual farming he has better energy economy. As shown in Brozime's Atlas build video, he has no trouble clearing most content with just landslide. So yes, he is the best solo farmer and is the most mobile farmer outside of Nekros, but Nekros is not a good solo frame at all.
I'm glad you're so praising of zephyr. Ive had her for a while and started playing with her because of videos like this. So much fun
Hey Brozime,
I play Revenant. I'm a college student who's quite frankly got a lot going on in my life, whether that be college itself, home life with family, etc etc. Rev lets me just breathe and relax, and actually just enjoy seeing the progress my weapon building makes across higher level enemies. I'm so happy to not just hear a positive review of him not just ragging on him being too easy, too good or whatever. Like I know, that's why he works for me. So thank you.
L bozo
Cringe
this is so goofy
he is the most popular frame for a reason.
True, He is a great frame for just exploring content too without needing to worry as much, plus a great frame to use when playing with new players, since his abilities are based around survival not nuking the map all the time. Sure, you can use your 4 to clear an area if you keep it but there's value in having that too with new players if they are trying to level up gear or just not running a very good clearing frame. I think the big difference between him and Loki was Loki was very oppressive to the meta when he was S tier (long time ago now) whereas Revenant is perfectly fine to just sit in his corner and not die but not mess with his teammates either, his augment even helps them if they are running squishy frames.
Voruna does not leave invisibility when using any of her abilities. She does only when you shoot or use melee. So she's like constantly invisible nuking machine that deals tons of damage
Personally, I think the only one I disagree with on this list is Gyre. I play her a lot, and with her new augment, she is absolutely crazy good in most content. Very fast, gives any weapon guaranteed crits (love this on Nukor with its very low crit, but super high crit dmg), spews out dmg across everything with continual rotorswell procs, just overall kills huge mobs very quickly. Pillage is a must, but with it she has very solid survivability, and can strip armor and shields off entire screens. I regularly outkill Saryn players with Gyre.
That having been said, if DE wants to take Brozime's advice and buff her numbers, I certainly won't complain about it, but I think she's definitely slept on by a lot of folks.
He trash talks Gyre a solid bit and part of it is understandable but based on what he constantly says regarding her, I think he underestimates her power. Like here he said she "scrapes by" with armor strip??? She murders even 4 digit level enemies with armor strip. I just walk around and throw my ability every now and then and everything instantly dies. Overguard enemies aren't even a problem. He is right that her investment is pretty strict due to the 328 strength needed for her builds along with wanting range, some shield gating survivability, and energy solving tools.
Compare the description of gara.
With an indarnon weapon and an armor strip subsumed on she deals with steel path, A+.
Gyre needs an armor strip, but it also patches her survivability when you take pillage.
And then you can just tap pillage every few seconds and have the highest kpm in the game other than saryn with dual ichor abuse,@@sasukesnake07
Corvex's 1 is very useful, if you fire his Crucible Blast into his Chyrinka Pillar it will cause all enemies into Chyrinka Pillar's range to sustain the Crucible Blast radiation explosion effect for a few seconds.
On Gauss: he can do static objectives just fine. Not sure what you mean. You can upkeep meter with 2 abilities in a flash, and his AoE infinite scaling nuke does pretty well in those scenarios IMHO. Dunno if it was emphasized, but he also gets free Primed Sure Footed, IPS/Cold/Heat/Blast immunity with the click of a button. No doubt he is A or higher.
I think it’s super easy as well - it’s only a problem if you aim down sights which you just shouldn’t do on gauss
If anything it just makes Thermal Sunder more useful, also doesn't melee still up his battery? In any case it's not hard at all. Even just zipping around with Mach Rush is more than enough.
As a Gauss main, not making him S-tier is a cardinal sin
Clearing up some misconceptions about Rhino from a Rhino Main:
"Iron Skin needs Augments to function"
Iron Skin's conversion to Overguard was a massive buff for Rhino. This causes Rhino to shield gate every time his Iron skin breaks. Previously, you could burst Rhino through Iron skin, causing him to die in higher level missions. Now, all you need is Iron Skin + 1 Augur mod, and you've got 2 full shield gates worth of time to recast Iron Skin before you're in ANY danger.
You don't need Ironclad charge. You don't need reinforcing stomp. Iron Skin is enough to survive steel path content on its own.
"He's hurting for mod slots"
The Opposite is true. Rhino needs very little investment to function. Slap 2-3 umbral mods on him to gain high armor and strength (vitality is optional) This buffs your roar and your Iron skin. Slap on an augur mod like Augur Secrets for the extra shield gating. Then build for strength. If you run Blind Rage, then slap on a Flow mod or Arcane Battery. You are golden to do anything in steel path. All together that's 4-6 mods. The remaining slots can be whatever you want. I like to add a bit more range and slap on piercing roar for better CC and QoL.
If you want to take it a step further, consider helminthing Nourish over his charge. Now you free up 3 mod slots on all of your weapons because your 2 viral mods and faction damage mod are covered! And you've got all the energy you need to keep spamming Iron skin whenever you're in danger.
Oh, and you can freely drop Primed Sure Footed because you don't need it.
"He'll carry you through star chart, but he struggles in Steel Path"
Half True. He will indeed carry you through star chart, but he does not struggle in steel path. His kit just shines in different ways. Early on, iron skin is just a fire and forget invuln button. Later on, it becomes a broken shield gating tool. You can purposefully take damage during the invuln window to get huge iron skin numbers. This is even easier to do now with Jade Eximus. Standing in their lazer can get you 1.9M+ Iron skin and you're set for a while.
Having access to unnerfed Roar is amazing. Having both roar and nourish simultaneously lets him do big damage on his weapons. Slap an AoE weapon on him and he becomes a nuke. Stomp is stomp. For console players it's a godsend because it lets you hold enemys perfectly still and land easy headshots on them. Great for incarnon charging.
Overall, He's an A+ tier pick at the very least. (Arguably S) He can handle everything the game throws at him from the moment you get him all the way up to end game. Whenver he shows up in the Circuit I know I'm in for smooth sailing all the way up to level cap.
Rhino main also here
Sayin that iron skin can tank on SP at base is criminal
Thank you for not taking the easy way out and trashing Revenant. I get a lot of anxiety running through high-level content and recently was left to die and mocked by a teammate in a Netracell (when I was downed in the red circle, no less!) when I tried to get out of my Revenant comfort zone. While I've done research since to try and learn more about survivability with Warframes outside of Revenant, there's no denying that sometimes I just need something where I can go in with a little more confidence that I won't let my team down.
May I ask with what warframe were you trying to get out of the Revenant confort zone? Because you should start with frames that are easy to keep alive such as those with in built 90% DR and frames that can generate overguard easily and reliably such as Styanax
@@SR-de8rd working on getting styanax's parts currently actually. And it was Kullervo I was using - which I know what people are gonna say and yes, there's a lack of skill on my part because he's supposed to be great at everything but the reaction from the teammate just drove me right back to Rev. Basically all my worst fears about doing no-self-revive content coming to life
@@radicalrock1800Why not just try the content solo when out of your comfort zone if being around other people has the possibility of doing that to you? I have anxiety too, but I just do everything solo, even EDA, unless I need to level some gear, in which case I go into pubs solely for hydron.
@@NuritaTsekurai Yeah I basically decided right then and there that I'm not taking anyone other than Rev into netracell pubs until I can do it solo. sometimes you just gotta get through the search pulses though
Try Zephyr
essentially Revs levels of survivability wiht her 3 (if you are not just standing in one place) while having some nutty dmg spreading with her 4, solid grouping with her 2, aaand a free helminth slot in her 1 that can be filled with multiple useful options
i rarely play warframe but the tradition of watching a brozime tierlist is something i look foward too
im only an hour in but does anyone else feel like all the reasoning behind most of the b rank frames is "this frame has a gimmick that makes them different to play from other frames, I wish they didn't have any gimmick and played like everyother frame. into b tier you go" or is it just me ?
I feel you there, but I see why it's like that and I don't completely agree.
The A tiers are for frames who stand out compared to others. They are strong enough, unique enough to "be themselves" and are not restricted to specific gameplay.
B and B- are for frames who are lacking one of these aspects.
B+ are for those who just need some minor tweaks to make it into A. Just barely.
Take Sevagoth for example. When hearing "Sevagoth", most people would know him as "The Gloom Guy" first and foremost. He stands out because of Gloom, but not because he is Sevagoth and offers a unique gameplay. He is unique, don't get more wrong, but doesn't perform well enough to function by himself. Gloom is not enough.
The way I see it, what Brozmie meant is "this frame has a gimmick that makes them different to play from other warframes, but I wish it wasn't underwhelming as it is from different reasons". It's either "make this gimmick better", "this gimmick sucks and therefore hurts the entire kit" or "this gimmick is good, but this is where it ends/rest of the kit doesn't live up to it". More of a mixed bag of issues related to their gimmicks and not flat out make them play more like other warframes.
yeah it's almost like you can't get a real tier list from 1 dudes opinion. Especially when the 1 dude hasn't played half the frames in several years
I play all of the frames every year. I have 12000+ hours in this game and they aren’t just playing the good Warframes
@@FrostedMike fair enough
Bro I'm so glad you are still doing content and keeping it real. Well I respect and appreciate creators like iflynn still doing a lot of work, I find myself frequently questioning whether they have even played the game in the last five to seven years. You always continue to bring it and it is much appreciated! Keep it up
My girl Nyx getting B tier melts my heart tbh.
I love yereli one of my favorite frames to play for most mission types, even in steel path, some missions that have radiation damage aoe areas, is her one weakness where she can get killed easy, but any non radiation spreading places, she is super fun great to use, my daily go to frame for running most general stuff / farming runs.
I started playing a drinking game, and took a shot whenever Broz says "...that being said,"
... I'm on my way to the hospital to have my stomach pumped.
Good Times, No Ragrets, Top Tierlist of the Year, I give it an A+
I've been watching a lot of your videos for the past month or so after returning to the game after 6 years... should have subscribed weeks ago and kept forgetting to but the ATTITUDE you speak with about some of these frames is just *chef's kiss* 😂 for sure subbed now, thank you for your entertaining and informative work
Only part I massively disagree with is Mag tbh, I really think you undervalue just how good she is and how much she adds to a team. Having her in B is criminal considering who you put above her, she's def A- or B+ at minimum imo. Love and agree with the rest of the tierlist mostly, hopefully we get more blessed Pablo reworks for the lower ranked, clunky, and just old/outdated frames at this point.
Mag being anywhere below flat A is just wrong
A or A plus for sure
and I dont even play or like her that much, I just saw and tried the insanity she is able to do
I love that he calls mag the best starter but she's ranked lower than both excal and volt lmao
shes very strong, but I think she was put in B because he doesnt like how clunky she is, especially with pull and magnetize
yeah and I was just super confused when he said Polarize was pretty much useless, when her augment is one of the only things in the game that CCs EXIMUS UNITS in a huge area + it creates the shards that damages enemies and get sucked into the magnetize bubble and what the heck did he mean that Pull, one of the best grouping abilities in the game, is "useless later on".
@@gustavosanches3454 as someone who mains Zephyr, I wouldnt call Mags pull one of the best grouping abilites, as hers and Zephyrs do tend to be a bit clunky in decent amount of cases. but other than that you are spot on
2hrs?! Holy crap...
I mean, I get it. A dive into each 'Frame and why it gets it's rating is fantastic. I just wasn't expecting such glorious detail.
How is Gauss worst than Titania?😭
Baruuk Main here. Guardians Derision fixes his issues I always hit red crits panzer combo + Narimen + Guardians derision 12x combo subsume elude for Wrathful Advance or breach surge for extra fun duration has to go up a little to get some effects so you don’t have to recast. Wrathful advance plus serene storm 12x I hit for hundreds of millions which isn’t the best but it wipes nearly anything
you got that on overframe? i just unlocked him and he's such a fuckin bruiser i've been having a great time
THE TIER LIST!!! THE TIER LIST IS REAL!!!!!!!!!!!
Main reason I switched from Gara to Styanax is because it's frustrating to lose all your damage from falling off the map or getting hit by a nullifier. Still love the way she plays and Ceramic dagger incarnon was a super nice indirect buff, but Styanax giving overgaurd to your whole team without needing to directly target them (like with shatter) is just so good
Armour strip -> Vitrify explosion can one shot Steel Path mobs fairly well. If you get a decent riven, you can build up Splinter Storm damage at 100k+ per whack, making millions of damage easy to get in a minute or two.
Do we know about Loki's invulnerability from his switch teleport scaling with duration?
Combined with his decoy having higher agro than a defence target it can be a really chill way of doing most content.
Something to keep in mind with the pseudo exalted weapon warframes (Atlas, Gara, Khora, etc), DE has expressed intentions to make them moddable like normal weapons. This means that a lot of the Incarnon synergies and combo scaling mods may no longer work depending on how DE executes this change, making all of these frames worse off as a result.
i only recently started playing again (last time i played was before nidus existed) and this is honestly a good reference for which frames to put my effort into getting, thanks!
I would say the lower level thing on barruk isnt an issue. You can just build him to put everything to sleep at lower lvls and just blow them up.
Plus, at lower levels, enemies can die so easily through normal weapon use that his abilities not getting much use there just isn't an issue at all.
I pretty much have the opposite opinion as yours on Mag. Worst starter out of the 3 imo, why whould you recommend mag to a beginner compared to excalibur which melts everything in normal star chart with 0 mods? However the later you go, the better she gets, she is my go to for level cap void cascade, her 4th ability is completely insane, full strips with only 130% strength, in addition to giving you max overshield, AND crowd control. The problems you mentionned about her 2 are true, but thats why Pull exists... When your bubble stop pulling ennemies in, you pull them in yourself with THE HIGHEST RANGE grouping ability in the entire game. A+ for me
buffed Pull lets you melt normal path easily too, much more energy economically and with a much faster killrate than excal, provided you can stumble upon at least one decent weapon to capitalize on the tightly bunched enemies.
@@felix_patriot Probably, her kit seems harder to understand for a new player tho
i agree Mag is the best frame from the starters but her kit is a bit more confusing compared to excal and volt those 2 help you learn the game a lot easier
Mag is S-tier this brozime once gave her 40% strength and complained about her bubble suck not being good. He's got 12000 hrs in this game but his builds suck. He cannot play this game for shit
Saryn always seems to get some insanely strong new tech every patch permanently keeping her at the top of A+ and constantly running the risk of breaking the game entirely
Ash 4 should work like Gara 4 press and expand marks target outward press again to kill all target
As a Valkyr main, I skipped straight to her section and I basically 100% agree. Purple Shards I find make her way better if you put Primed Flow/Archon Flow on her and mod her claws for some cold damage as well and it allows you to also maintain your energy economy w/Archon Flow. With that said, Valkyr really doesn't need a ton to be put into a good spot, but a few options that have been mentioned for some time now.
1. Rip line-> Would be less of a meme if Rip line, rather then yeeting enemies god knows where, pulled them in for a forced finisher.
2. Warcry-> Pretty much fine as it, but having the duration extended w/out augment(And changing augment effect) would feel nice. Otherwise swapping the armor boost for a move speed boost would help it have more direct synergy with Hysteria.
3. Paralysis just sucks. Changed to an armor strip, or some other effect, otherwise scrapping the ability entirely would probably be their best bet.
4. Hysteria has 2 issues, and 1 "sort of but not really issue". Issue #1 is exactly what Brozime says, the stance sucks. If you play her heavy attack, if you don't one shot it has a tendency to launch enemies into space. Forced slash instead of slam would benefit greatly. Issue #2 is that you can't use every mod on it(This goes for all exalted IIRC). Being able to utilize Amalgam Organ Shatter for Heavy attack builds, or Blood Rush for normal attack would do a lot for her. Finally, while not an issue, being able to put arcanes on her claws would be nice, Crescendo, Duplicate, and even Retaliation would really amp her power up.
My idea for ripline is let you hold the button down and sweep over for more targets, then yank them all in to your feet on release.
No one plays Octavia because she’s too good. Like she is so op that she is boring because you would genuinely have a harder time trying to die/ fail a mission than you would succeeding. IMO Octavia is undoubtedly the best warframe which is why I don’t like using her
She hurts my finger
no one plays octavia because she's boring, not because she's too good or effective. if that were the case then speedrunners like wukong or immortal tanks like revenant wouldnt be the most played warframes. not everyone wants to sit in one spot and spam the crouch button.
@@homicidalgeorge shes boring because she's good, she can do basically everything in the game at a higher tier than some frames that specify a content type
Thank you Brozime :)
Had a break for 3 years, and as usual, you provided perfect starting point about state of frames
Omw to build Wisp :))
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Awesome video as always! I feel like Frost honestly belongs with the other B+ frames at this point. In the harder pieces of content we have these days Frost is one of the best options. For example, I usually do Elite Archimedea with a friend where one of us carries and the other turns all the modifiers on. It just makes things really comfortable and there's no need to worry about failing. When my friend carries he usually goes Frost. In this week's Elite Archimedea, we both had Frost as one of our options so we decided to just run it with both of us getting all the rewards in a single run and it worked out quite well even with the weapon choices not being the best. You mentioned Baruuk as not being particularly concerned with -75% duration, but Frost is also pretty okay with it. In Steel Path Circuit Frost also tends to be a good option.
You put Titania in A+, which imo is correct, but Firefly is not her only trick. I've been a Titania main since long before she was actually good and she is my first choice for all of the end game content. With the right build she becomes an incredible health tank. In Steel Path Circuit you are pretty unkillable until the enemies get to around lv. 1000+. You can keep the defense target and excavators protected using tribute and recasting razorwing to keep the flies on the field. It only takes a couple decrees for dex pixia to dish out astronomical amounts of damage as well. She's the best option for completing steel path lone story duviri runs as she doesn't care what weapons are available and can ignore the kaith section of the wyrm fight using her 4. She is the best option for solo grinding mirror defense as you can pick up more crystals. She makes easy work of the arcons. She deals with enemies in Elite Archimedea very quickly and has an extremely good time on the double demolyst disruption as you can fly to the necromechs instantly and eliminate them as fast as possible. She's really good against the effervo bosses, including the super boss, as your flight allows you to dodge most attacks outright and your unlimited ammo allows you to consistently tick the bosses health bar at the rate the game allows without having to worry. Not to mention she's very good at collecting the eyes extremely quickly. She's one of the best solo options for grinding out plague star. She's probably the best option for netracells as you can fly to the 3 computers lightning fast and you don't have to worry about your abilities killing stuff outside of the circle. She's decent in spy missions as the blink you can use during flight counts as a teleport and won't set off alarms when you go through a laser door. She's great on interception because you can move between points super fast, afflict the enemies with -25% movement speed, and by keeping your flies active the enemies stay almost completely distracted. There are certainly changes I'd like to see for Titania such as making her 2 not feel awful to use and allowing razorflies to be quickly respawned without exiting flight, but as is she's still an excellent Warframe. To anyone who sees her as Firefly only, consider making a second build and giving her a shot the next time you see her in the circuit.
As a zephyr main of 10 years, seeing your take on her makes me happy :) She's just got everything. Survivability, enemy grouping, infinite damage scaling with your 1's augment if you want, great weapons platform using your 4, mobility, innate crit chance boost, EVERYTHING! She's perfect and I'm so glad that she's received such wonderful changes over the years, because I still remember the days of wandering tornadoes throwing enemies around, turbulence being inconsistent, airburst being worse than freezing wave, tailwind making you go straight vertical if you cast it on the ground, and her passive not having a crit chance buff.
To any devs that might be reading this that contributed to making Zephyr amazing: thank you
I'm very surprised as a fellow Zephyr user (before it was cool) that you didn't mention the Gundam warframe and ship Skin! I honestly only dug deep into Zeph because of that skin. Liked her prior to that though to.
One thing about Magg is that Polarize eventually becomes redundant in her power budget so you can just subsume it out without feeling any kind of loss. Sure, it gives flat shields that are independent of enemy count like Crush is but Crush gives overshields, making her able to infinitely shield gate so long as she keeps her energy up. She dies to toxin or slash procs if she doesn't bother with Rolling Guard, but even without, you can kinda solve that by going operator for a few moments and hopping back into shield gating shortly after.
I can't even start explaining why these abilities work this way but I've heard people say her magnetize and Wisp's Breach Surge are "infinite damage" and it sure does feel like it... Bubble a group, blind them, shatter their armor and watch them blend like overripe tomatoes.
Literally just jumped into my car and about ro break some speed limits to get home to watch this certified hood classic ASAP!
The biggest question to ask if you're not a monogamer playing Warframe is "can another Frame do this mission type better"
And the answer for the 5-minute missions is always "Wukong."
And for any mission where defense and single-target don't matter, it's Saryn (and Baruuk for high-level).
Defensive support? Styanax. (Wizard boi of you wanna be versatile)
Offensive support? Wisp.
With limbo I understand where your coming from, however I feel like a big part is that the ways to play limbo that aren't overly broken/annoying are very seldom used, if even understood by most players. Using limbo as a weapons platform with his 3, and using his cataclysm to set up mass banishes for buffs is great, but requires a lot of button presses, enemy awarness, and a team that doesnt mind staying in the rift to kill instead of rolling out.
And a team that understands how limbo works. That’s asking too much sadly. This is why using breach surge on limbo was really good bc it essentially did what you’re explaining but without involving enemies to be in the rift, which made him wayyyy more team friendly AND even somewhat useful in higher level steel path missions and against eximus… that was until DE recently patched breach surge to NOT work on overguard anymore so there goes my cope build. TBH I think he’s F tier now in desperate need of a rework.
Oh.. by the way, just something that’s always irked me is that DE never fixed it to where any enemies that are in the rift would have his limbos banish symbol above their heads to the whole team knows and won’t waste time/ammo trying to kill affected enemies. THAT should’ve been a QOL fix for him YEARS ago
If you are playing solo I think he is great. Early game you can build for map wide nukes/lockdowns, no worries whatsoever about energy economy, late game you can get nutty numbers with his 3 augment. Overgaurd enemies are a pain, but the damage boost can make short work of them. Survivability is iffy at best, with rolling guard out of the rift being the go to. Once you go public though, or hit those missions where eximus are the bulk of the enemies like netracells and deep archimedia, that's really where he suffers. But I think these rankings are more based off of team/public play than solo
@@charles5212 agreed, team play is solely where my problem with him lies but yes he’s definitely great as a solo frame, I just don’t want him to be pigeonholed into solo play. Would love for the augment for his 3 to be base kit tho. Would also love if we got some semblance of 2017 nuke cataclysm limbo back as well but in a way where we actually have to work for it by synergizing it with his 3 instead of just loading up on pwr str and spamming 4. This among other QoL type things.
@doootheytho9821 A thought I had a while back which I am unsure about in today's meta is having a energy regen and dmg increase apply to squadmates for each enemy in the rift. Maybe a passive augment maybe a 3 augment buff
@@charles5212 the energy regen part already works for teammates in the rift unless I’m not understanding you correctly but that dmg increase for teammates per enemy while in the rift is a great idea as. If his augment for his is base kit then that could be added passive and maybe the augment could be changed to enemy shields/armor decrease by a percentage per enemy affected.
I thought I had was since limbo thrives in the rift but is squishy outside of it, maybe let him gain x amount of DR per sec up to 70 or 90% while ACTIVE in the rift and a slow decay while out of the rift to further incentivize switching in/out of rift gameplay
My go-to warframe was Hydroid Prime back in the day. Finally great to see someone else see his potential
Been waiting on this video 🎉🎉
Always loved Gara, it's just as the game incorporated easier to access higher level content, maintaining an effective splinter storm level becomes a stress point. You may spend 10-15 min naturally building damage only to have it wiped falling/getting bopped off a cliff. Then you're left with the option of spamming 4>1 in a single spot to rebuild or resign yourself to it being weak for the next 10 minutes.
I just want DE to incorporate a way to possibly lose a percentage of Splinter Storms last max if it drops. Like if you get 1M dmg in it and it drops for any reason, your next Splinter Storm cast will start at 800,000.
The ancient prophesy has been fulfilled!
I like how Broz really emphasized that Zephyr is an A+ at the end even more
I think you're undervaluing the Loki changes, he has personal Volt speed without a helminth now. You say he "doesn't fit into what today's warframe wants" but he's practically invincible, extremely fast now, and can run a damage helminth in addition to that. That's like...exactly how most people play Revenant at most levels, but Revenant is without the mobility.
...and he is so much fun to play now.
His Switch Teleport augment actually makes him invincible so he's invisible AND invincible, fast as hell like you said, can do spy missions quite easily and his "useless" passive is actually quite nice for some Riven challenges.
His teleport augment also works on allies and most importantly his Decoy, coz Decoy actually has the highest A.I. target priority in the game! It's even higher than defense targets, so you can use this to force enemies to ignore the defense target.
The only bad part of him is his ultimate and I really like one suggestion people had, that is to make it an AoE Overguard strip that grants the Eximus's aura effect to you and allies afterwards. This fits his trickster theme, would give him a very interesting niche as the "fuck you and your Overguard" frame, and doesn't require a lot of work to implement as its already in the game as a mod for hounds: Null Audit.
Again, like you said, it's a free Helminth slot at the moment too. Loki is kinda underrated right now ^_^
I feel like you're down playing revenant tbh. What makes him nuts is access to a TRUE damage one shot. He doesn't care if the enemy has over guard or if he's at level 9999. That enemy will die. That plus uninterrupted invincibility.
Like, survivability is on the easier side of things to achieve in warframe. Doing damage is harder. Usually frames that rely on weapons have access to an armor strip and/or a damage buff. When they lack one, they subsume the other. When they lack neither they likely go for a grouping tool or energy economy subsume. When they lack all of the above. They should be able to kill enemies with pure abilities.
Loki has none of the above. And he isn't able to rely on abilities to kill stuff.
The only frames that can get away with "just subsume a damage ability" when they lack all the parts of the weapon platform formula are frames that can super charge their own energy economy to stupid levels and spam thermal sunder like their life depends on it. So Harrow and Trinity and Oberon.
@@NinjaSyaoloki players are something else 🤣🤣🤣
Back before the Grendel rework, I had a build for him that revolved around the fact that there was no upper limit to the amount of enemies you could consume in your feast. I ran massive range, low strength, mid-high duration/efficiency. Then I would cast feast, spin in a circle, and clear a room without the need for line of sight. It was the most fun I ever had playing warframe just because I could fulfill the role of gluttony incarnate
Chroma is definitely the "it's over bro let it go" copium warframe of all time, I know cause he was my main for awhile. I have him at 421% and he's still just outperformed in the end, maybe I'll try out styanax next.
Styanax is definitely a new favorite of mine. I was in deep on the Chroma copium back when we were using Cerata for self damage.
It’s been a fantastic 10 or so years thank you for always updating these lists 🙏🏽
quite surprised to see tierlist before the armor changes
Unless the next rework also changes overguard, it's not like it's going to change much for the warframes. Overguard is what shuts a warframe down, I can point out several where Brozime pointed that out as a game ender.
The reworks to armour will perhaps make building for 200% strength less mandatory for frames that deal with armor reduction, some elemental frames will have a better edge against a certain faction though that's largely already a thing, but those frames who struggle surviving or doing damage will still have those issues.
I don't get the Voruna B- score. I can run her on any content, melt everything really fast and never, never, never die.
Nah this guy is smoking crack if he thinks rev is the only s tier frame
Yeah, that was crazy to see. Even if Baruuk is "bad" in low-end content, that doesn't matter when you can solo SP with him. Then you have Octavia, who can just play the game for you.
Love the video. So informative!! And I absolutely love the zephyr mention I havnt really settled on a main but out of pure fun factor she is SO FUN if not one of the funnest to play and how satisfying her zero gravity is once you get used to it it’s bar none to any movement in game.
No time stamps?
Chroma is really funny, he went from "Wow, he basically gets 3 extra mods from his abilities!" back in the dark ages when every single enemy was immune to all of our abilities to "Well, all he gets is like 3 mods for abilities" now that we've started having good content again. Not that he was well designed then, but he was really good for those farms.
The amount of explaining of why Gauss should be A- shows why he should be an A+
Nah, gauss is fantastic but he is just comparatively worse than every frame placed in A+
Gauss is easily S tier, he has one of the best kits in the entire game, doesn’t even need a helminth.
@@spudster8887Nah, Gauss is better than most of A+
@mastermastriker8084 not even close but hey you're entitled to your opinion
@@YoungTenn0 s tier isn't a good thing tho? Gauss certainly isn't good enough to be meta warping
Finally a tier list that appreciates Gara in 2024. You can literally max range nuke lvl 1000+ enemies with her4, armorstrip, and a good melee incarnon. Crazy so many ppl still sleep on her
Gauss at A- is crazy
One thing to note about Lavos' Valence Formation, it is additive and it doesn't change the element on your weapon. Also, it will imbue not only your guns but also your melee and archgun, which makes him at least A tier.
my comments has i watch the ranking (skimming the frames i dont care about or agree with)
banshee being c- is a crime (she is super strong even in deep dives she can carry squads and with higher levels being made she becomes only better) Atlas being B+ is imo a crime (or more like he should at best be B-) lavos being c+ (feel he should be B- even B has he has the massive nuke ability while being a great gun frame with high mobility) hildrin being A- (when her only ability is pilage and a shield bar sure its a good ability but B- is the best i can give her and imo C+ is more right being in the same rank has chroma)
and imo limbo should not really be in a tier list has if u know limbo and play his well he is easily a B- frame (with some modes/solo can outperforme every gun platform) but if he is played badly ye sure he is a detriment in all but a few game modes (2 of them being not needed like mobile defence) easily D or F
and Vauban C i can only agree with if we dont use any augments has if u are using tesla bank he easily becomes a B/B- (not even counting the power he can bring to loot farms has yareli can do that too and zephyr)
and equinox is in the same spot where if u count augments she is great has a damage amp/mild nuke some times and night being great support with shields and damage decreases for enemys with slows but thats already 2 augment slots and need of shards for the build but its good still B even B- but with things turned to max she is great and can outperform ember and a few more (and with armor changes might even just be better) and other supports (outside of Citrine) has ability str buffs are really powerful but that all with augments and in some cases subsuming over her 2 so generaly sure i can agree with C+ but if we count augments she gets into B (really want to see the lesser tierd frames get augments has base kit like oberon and equinox even frost and few more)
for every single other frame i can agree with most if not every single one its just these frames really i felt needed more said for there rank or even should have been assumed to have used augments (lavos equinox oberon even if oberons still is C- maybe C ?)
oh and loved the idea of barrage on yareli u showcased and made me play her quite a lot (i just changed her 1 insted of 3) still wish to see DE make is to hold cast with augment lets us use the k-drive
His criteria for them aren't whether they can be made to work its whether or not their kit works as a whole (or 3/4th of it even) and how much it relates to the current content. Banshee has no defenses and 1 good ability, she isn't carrying a squad she is enhancing the squad because outside her sonar, she is relying on a weapon to do everything because the rest of her kit is not worth mentioning. The other main factor to include is comparison to other frames that do similar things. Would you classify Banshee as a weapons platform frame or a support frame? Because there are much better frames at both jobs. If you think Atlas being B+ is too high then you clearly haven't seen anyone use him properly, just petrify and landslide can clear enemies of decently high level. Lavos' abilities being on cooldowns instantly mitigates the praise of his abilities if you can only use them once every so often whereas most nuke frames can spam it if they need to, outside of that his augment makes him workable around his clunky kit. I imagine he wouldn't have even made it into C at all without that augment. Your criteria for solo for Limbo contradicts the game's purpose, that has always been Limbo's problem is he interferes with your team playing the game because they have to work around the cataclysm, the only time he isn't annoying is those minimum range/ max duration limbos that place a tiny eternal shield on a defense location. However, defense is the worst game mode in Warframe and is basically just a sit on your ass timer, so being good at the worst game mode isn't exactly necessary, and most other frames can defend better while still dishing out damage. Vauban C is because he doesn't do anything special that isn't better accomplished by other frames, all frames in A and B push frames below them lower, which results in frames that can be used to decent effect being lower because they are not as efficient as they could be. Equinox augment keeps the charge, but the charge is part of the problem, it's an outdated style of play where you want to nuke an area once for a wave on defense then have to kill everyone again to build up the charge, keeping the charge doesn't really solve that problem it just lets you use the rest of the kit. Also, none of those abilities are better than other supports besides maybe Trinity and Oberon. Wisp, Citrine, and Harrow all are far more useful in their own ways. And like I said, other frames just outperform in general and far easier than having to bend 3 augments into your build just to barely be passable.
The problem for Banshee is that she's too squishy for what she's actually doing. Like, yeah, she can produce completely ludicrous damage numbers, but in 99% of content it's completely unnecessary to produce that kind of damage, and meanwhile she gets knocked out whenever high level enemies just look at her.
Vauban is also straight trash. C is a generous rank for him. Everything Vauban does is something another warframe does better.
Been a Wukong main for 6 years now. Starter frame was volt and then I got wukong a week later. Had him before his prime. Idk why people dog on the primal staff so much. I take it to steel path and one tap enemies with 1.4 million viral.
Cloud Walk is his best ability, being able to heal yourself, and remove all status effects, AND heal your twin, WHILE making him completely invulnerable while you are in cloud walk.
Your twin does x3 damage to enemies, and when you choose an enemy for him to prioritize he will do x5 damage. He also makes use of all the mods on your weapons. Unfortunately he uses your ammo now and will make you run out faster. But it's well worth it to have an OP specter by your side. Defy is still his worst ability and I've swapped it out for Gloom or Warcry, depending on the build. He's still very op. To the point that I get bored and have to actually find challenges to kill my wukong.
Other frames are better, definitely. But good luck finding a better solo frame that does everything for you.
Every frame is s tier with the MIGHTY SEER
I am hoping to high hell that Pablo works dark magic to make Caliban good. He’s such an appealing frame from an aesthetic and design perspective to me