Drop Bar Forcible Entry " The Irons"
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- This video covers conventional Irons work forcible entry against commercial outward swinging doors that are secured with a panic bar and a drop bar. We are able to demonstrate the power of leverage using a set of irons and hopefully convince you that these doors can be handled with hand tools and a set of trained firefighters. No Gimmicks, No Tricks, Nothing New.....Just time proven basic firemanship.
Agreed, I've always liked the saying, "send a firefighter to Hell and he'll take the gate off the hinges."
Who the fuck says that and with what context
@@datura9441 salty.
@Balkan Kneecap thief 38.. 😏🤘🏻
@Balkan Kneecap thief totally playing dude. I was 25, and yes. I realize how douchie it is now too haha.
@@fire1937 I don’t see anything douchie about your comment 7 yrs ago.
So basically if you are a firefighter you become a professional at breaking into houses
Lightly Abused not quietly though
anyone can break in, its getting in fast thats rough. these guys go great though
Most firefighters are burley enough that when face with a conventional suburban front door they can probably just cool-aid man their way in. This is for much tougher industrial doors.
@@MaxwellAerialPhotography as a security pro, houses are a joke, really.. places like this with no windows are much tougher, you are correct. i now want to see a fireman jump through a door, very very much, though.
@@MaxwellAerialPhotography One of the better mental images, made from a YT vid comment in a while!
It's a very good demo. However in 17 years of service with departments that run both Truck and Rescue Squad we've always used the saw and cut a triangle in the door and then reach in and lift the bar out of place. Then the none spent crew can force the door conventionally. We've also cut the triangle in the door then cut vertical top to bottom so the door is in halves with the saw on a heavy secured door. Two bars and Three deadbolts. Good saw inside in less then 60 seconds. Just working smarter not harder.
Gentlemen, great video with excellent explanation. Made sure to pass this along to my guys. Way to represent Truck 8
Great training, I had also seen a training video where the same door was used in a Forcible Entry video where they plung cut the door and used a T-Square thru the plunge cut and activated the crash bar. I think that method could also be used in this situation and minimize the work/damage to door.
If only we'd had a couple folks like this in Uvalde.
A great technique for FE with a drop bar.
Great video guys.
Interesting, because you only used basic tools, not powered equipment, which probably would have made entry faster. But you may not have power on hand in all situations I guess.
Moreover, it helped highlight security door faults.
Oh, and pretty sure LiliLee meant perpetrate, but in any case crims are not going to gain entry using these methods, they will just bust down an easy door, so lock up well.
Fantastic video. Thank you for your work.
Best one yet.. Thank you brothers
you could also cut out a triangle under the bolts with the forcible entry saw to stick your arm in and push the bar up. Then easily force the outward door conventionally with the adz. I'd be curious to see what the time difference would be.
1st team was DAMN GOOD!....thanks
I'm a thief and I'm learning , thanks
:D
You will be a very noisy thief. And thats before you have to drive a big red truck with sirens.
Too bad you need a friend to perform this entry. back to the drawing board eh! ;)
*door was unlocked*
LOL, good luck sneaking around all nonchalant with a halligan and a friend with an axe!
Excellent video!
Have you had any luck with shearing or chiseling the bolt heads off to release the drop bar?
I'm not sure why you don't keep your forcible entry techniques videos private for the firefighters or security professionals. You are teaching all the thieves how to break in record time thank you for your free training, very responsible on your part.
You guys are in fact BAD ASS!!
That’s pretty impressive, I just hope no bad guys were watching that.
I want more of this type of training
Love it! Thanks for sharing!
As a door professional and a former FF....the hinge side is always an easier side to work on...the screws use in a commercial door hinge are 10 -24 or 1/4 - 20 machine screws.. these are usually only 3,/8 to 1/2 long...the plate they screw into on door or frame is only 3/16...good snap of bar at each hinge shears them off quick
never mind, just saw the video about the hinges, my question has been answered :-)
This is fascinating
They didn't try before they pry
Do you mean check to see if the door is locked or not? Lol i didn't think of that but yeah. I guess it must have slipped them because they set up the demonstration and knew the status of the door for a fact. But I guess they took it for granted that the viewer would try first.
ПРИВЕТ ИЗ РОССИИ ТАК ДЕРЖАТЬ БРАТЬЯ ПОЖАРНЫЕ МОЛОДЦЫ
Solid work!
That second axeman can swing an ax!
Wouldn’t you want the door at your back if it’s outward swinging , just Incase there would be a back draft so you get thrown forwards. Also your axe man would be safer behind you after he’s done hammering your ads side in. Just thinking ventilation wise , you don’t really know what’s in the other side of the door, but that’s what your 360 is for.
that is amzing if i ever get stuk in side whit that door i know im in good hands with the fire fighters
This is only going to be effective on a hollow frame, if the frame is concrete filled it’s going to be a lot more difficult to pry the door and frame apart to clear the strike on the frame. Those drop bars are also illegal on emergency egress doors, sure they stop thieves from getting in but they also stop people from getting out.
Still impressive how quickly they got in.
The concrete frames make it much tighter no doubt but we still force them the same way. It just makes your initial drive around the door edge more difficult. These bars are on almost every building in our district.
Hit it with your purse!
Haha. All joking aside .Thanks for having the job that saves.
5:00 hell yeah that’s how a beater is swung
Where di you get those truck belts made?
I wonder what PD would do? Seems like nothing can stop a fire fighter getting thru a door
You can do this or do a here's Johnny and break in like that
Has there ever been a time you drove a hook through the door and hitched it to a truck? That'd make quick work out of any door.
Very interesting video. Thanks for the upload👍 I worry about the amount of protection that US fire service helmets provide tho 🤔
Third Rate content They also wear a mask and flame proof hood. Hope this helped!
I'm wondering if you could insert a very thin steel bar through the gap which you would use to knock off the drop bar?
I would like to ask for information on the project fire home
suuuuuppeerrrr satisfying
Can you just knock off the knob and turn it with a screwdriver like I do? I jjjust use a hammer and a scredddriver for the knob
If the lock doesn’t get defeated the door will.
Maybe I'm dumb, but this whole time I'm thinking they should just Dremel the bolts off and those drop bars will just fall right off... is that slower? Am I overestimating what a Dremel can cut?
Beta bitches own dremels. Men own angle grinders and saws.
6 vikings and a treelog works also
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This is to demonstrate overcoming the locking devices with only irons. If you're bringing power tools, you're gonna bring something a lot more effective then a Dremel.
Yes. Dremels are for model making, not demolition. They are delicate, fragile tools. A cordless angle grinder would work, but then you have batteries to maintain and the tool might well melt around a fire.
Proffesionals hell yeah
How much does this door costs?
thank you
Is that a halligan bar?
Yes
@@Thomasnmi thanks.
I am calling you guys to breach my next door 😁👍
Whaaaaaaatt? Hose draggers actually doing work?
So, in summation, pray that you don't need firemen to save your life if your IRONSandLADDERS equipped building is ever on fire.
Just suggesting...why not take three vertical cuts from a circular saw down the door....then force with the halligan?.....Thoughts?
These guys will not be kept out.
I don't mean to criticize, but was Stevie Wonder swinging the axe?
Too be fair, the axe guy only has one eye and it is glass.
It's sinful what you're doing to that axe... But I'll let you away with it because heroism and all that.
In the time it takes to break-in, the victims would be burned to a crisp already.
Takes a lot of work
Adam Savage brought me here :P
除了特种部队用炸药外，这算是最快开门的了。
I bet thermite would melt the hinges and bolts in like half the time
Sunglass guy better hit the gym because that mild exertion was about all he had.
But when I do it I get charged with breaking and entering 🙄
fuck this, show us how to get into a bank vault.
Hi
Become the bank manager, take off with the money one day. Only way it will work these days unless you're some low life wanting to scare the tellers for a few bucks.
Omg he wants to rob a bank when he’s 20 -_-
men¡¡ i wish to do that just for fun¡
I think maybe its time issue the firefighters some det cords or shape charges
cool
they should just give the firemen c4 or something
Captain Price brought me here.
Homeboy with the axe is gonna take your arm off when he misses.
If the mount was welded things would be different
Wow.
No idea why I'm watching this....
These TH-cam algorithms
Their wrists will be shattered when they go to retire :-(
I should've been a fireman
Bad ass
Every burglar seeing this is going "Ah! We now know how to break in in a bit over a minute"
Any business out there should have a burglar alarm and CCTV if they want the full security coverage
great job, but a gas cut-off saw / quickie saw would cut right through the board and lock very quickly...with less effort
It's not often you get straight forward good video footage put together like this. Thanks for sharing!
Just in time
Thanks for video. I'll firefighter from Russia. And it was very interesting how the U.S. Counterparts. Well done guys))).
Дмитрий Прокин So Russia is actually spying the US 😀
what number do you call in Russia for fire emergencies?
wow dude you are way to mad about this its a joke get over it
well you did kinda just use a stereotypcal term for Americans calling them dumbasses...
lil bit hypocrytical
I really like the communication technique between each other.
Basic Firefighter I stuff, never gets old! Stay safe guys!!
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Its call teamwork, wether you like the guy or not team work can make the difference
I found this video to be very informative and helpful. Why all the mean comments?
Doing a plunge cut down the middle is rarely effective on these types of drop bars. Many drops bars are mounted so they go behind the frame on both sides of the door. Commercial door frames are usually 6" wide, and a 14" rotary saw only has a cutting depth of 5". If you plunge the saw it won't even begin to cut the actual drop bar. Its easier to attack what we can see, which is the carriage bolts.
Plunge cut it then stick a carpenter s square in the cut and push the drop bar up and out or slide the square down and pull on panic bar.
I love the content and "spirit" of your videos. Humility and knowledge rolled into one. Keep doing what you're doing. We all need this stuff. Stay safe.
Great video......Showing both inside and outside views is key for a complete understanding of what exactly is happening and a better understanding of the entire force. Great job gentlemen!
Highly informative. The inner perspective really helped with the explanation behind the thought process.
Is this simulating a forcible entry into some sort of meth lab
what if you just cut the hinges?
You still will have the drop bar
If you completely destroy the door, it will then be your responsibility to replace it.
@@sminthian yeah, but only after the builung burns down or whatever was the emergency.
sminthian so since they are spraying water on the building do they repair water damage and all that other damage from the fire and structural damage
Sam Eutsler you very rarely want to completely destroy a door, especially if the building is on fire. If you take the whole door off, it removes your ability to control your ventilation
Now these gents seem like they've done this dance before...excellent demo...excellent comms….verrrrrrry well done technique AND vid demo. Awesome.
Firefighters are so badass.
You should see carpenters! They can actually Build things. You take your demo saw and cut any latches or dead bolts or the hinges or cut a square hole in the lower part of the door for water access onto burning material. If there isn't any, you don't need to get in. If there might be victims inside, cut the hole bigger. It's going to be faster than this.
JB91710 lots of firefighters can build things too
Dave, I have not had luck with shearing 3/8 carriage bolt heads off. I have tried dozens of times and not even come close. I have been able to shear 1/4 inch carriage bolts, but very few drop bars are mounted with such a small bolt.
Awesome video, never doubt the irons capabilities.
Stay safe out there brothers
With this being out swing door couldn't you work on taking out hinge pins and going at it from that angle?
@@pokeoak345 not with a drop bar, no.
Great video, we have the hoolie tool but have never been shown this way of using it, i will certainly pass this on to my UK fire fighting team
Lila lee are you a fire fighter? I am guessing not because if you were you would know why firefighters make these videos. To help other fire fighters learn the correct way to do it. I used TH-cam to learn tactics for fire fighting before I had all of my training. So to answer your question yes fire fighters do know how to do this, but a new trainee may not. So don't hate on something you don't understand yourself.
What is the difference between cops and firefighters?
They both wanted to be firefighters
Fenixx117 ayy lmao
Dumb
well two of you can't take a joke lol.
One Carries a Glock one carries a axe
The question would be: What do they have in common?
Fail joke is fale.
The purpose of this video is to show people how firefighters train to open a locked door with a drop bar. Sure there are other things they could do but this is a fairly basic technique. This video isn't meant to show criminals how to break into a house. If they didn't do this training and found themselves at the backside of a building with an axe and a crowbar they would still know how to take the door down without wasting the time to walk back to the truck to find a saw that would have to plugged into an electrical conduit or filled with a gasoline and oil combination.
Firefighters and EMT's are heroes! The fact that you put your live in danger to save lives and do everything you can to save a stranger is amazing. God bless you all!
How do you deal with the heat of your body? Dont you just wanna take off your clothes and pour water over yourselfs? How can you hold for that long in a fire brigade clothes???
It always sucks, but you get used to it to a certain degree. You're also so focused on the task at hand that you don't have time to think about how hot or uncomfortable you are. You just push through it 👍😁
It's better than dying....
Sam Aryan you get ust to it
That's a lottttttttt of energy being exerted, especially considering that the real work may be on the other side of the door.
what do you suggest?
@@joemilton7552
A hydraulic tool, a gas or electric powered tool.
@@robertwilliams5015 yeah that would be a lot easier, but it's good to know how to do it with the way they show, since sometimes that could be the only option
@@joemilton7552
I get that sentiment but honestly I can't imagine that a halligan and an axe would ever be an only option for any municipal fire department.
Personally (and I know my opinion isn't popular) but I think a halligan is a rather antiquated tool. Even with the best training and the most proficient firefighter I just don't think you get enough bang for the buck, at least not in an emergency.
@@robertwilliams5015 There are many small departments all over the world that don't necessarily have power equipment, should they also not carry a Halligan? What would be a better bang for the buck for a small department with no funding? What would you suggest when the saw fails to start, or when the grinding disk on your only saw bucks, hits the door frame, and breaks apart while the fire rages inside? Not saying this method should be your first option, but I would definitely want it as an option.
This did not take 45 minutes.
This might sound like a silly question but why do you guys wear different helmets than the rest of CSFD?
Bryan715,
Only because this was filmed off duty. We wear the same thing as everyone else on shift.
I spoke this question aloud, and it did sound exceptionally silly.
Lynch should wear eye protection.
well placed strikes
a bank door? that just sounded strange...O .o besides the door wouldnt be the only place reinforced. BUt I see what you did there lol
very good video. the communication between the two is simple, clear and affective