I don't remember people being cajoled by the government into buying digital cameras with tax breaks or catastrophising predictions of the world coming to an end. a completely new technology regarding mass transport solutions would be most welcome & I'm sure your camera analogy would then be justified, the problem with EV's is they are basically a 200-year-old technology that has the same inherent problem today as it did then ..... Batteries as a means of energy storage namely their Weight & range!!
You are not being cajoled; you are being incentivised to switch to a new, more efficient and less polluting technology. If you disagree with that premise, keep your ICE vehicle. The choice is yours…
Not factually correct: buyers are NOT "snapping up" EV cars as soon as they can be made. That may have been true three years ago, but now dealers can't get rid of the stock they have. Fleet buyers have backed away from EVs; Hertz kicked out the man who committed to 100, 000 Teslas because it turned out renters don't want the worry of driving an EV with attendant range anxiety. Elon Musk was only recently forced to drop the price of Teslas because of decling sales. Many dealers are refusing to sell EVs - hardly a sign that ICE cars are on the way out. Hybrid sales are increasing and that's a pointer to the way things are going.
If everyone that currently owns a car suddenly went over to EV ownership would there be enough power available, I very much doubt it. The government know this and will use it to reduce the number of cars on the road going forward. There are so many reasons not to buy an EV it makes me wonder why anyone would.
real question is thats happen , govt who make so much money from taxes on petrol and diesel , where will that money come from! will they just forget about that money? if not , will charging ev at home will remain this cost effective ?
If you check the available data, we consume less mains power now than we did in the mid eighties. Due to LED lighting etc.The grid has more than enough capacity for future needs. EV,s have limitations, but the positives outweigh the negatives, check the facts.
It's going to be a steady transition. 20+ million cars can not suddenly be electric, and may take 20 years to get to even 80% electric on the road. Plenty of time to build in infrastructure. And don't forget the huge amount of electricity used to refine petrol and diesel, will no longer be required. Overnight "smart" charging such as Octopus Intelligent will even out the grid demand.
Part of the tipping point will be availability of PETROL. The majority of petrol stations are SMEs, and very few SMEs can survive the PERMANENT loss of, say, 30% of their customers, and said businesses will then become not just unviable, but unsellable. The bell curve that sees EVs labouring under inadequate infrastructure on the way in, will switch to ICE infrastructure shortages, on the way out.
Spot on, the supermarkets won't mess about when they start losing money on their petrol stations. When those start closing we'll know that EV's are here to stay.
If you think taking pictures was a Carry On film - try 8mm Standard then the slightly easier Super 8mm cine film. This up until the early 1990s, the way to record video until analog and then digital video cameras came along. If you wanted to go mad, you could opt for the Super 8 with an audio strip on it. Then make sure you have a projector that can replay the recording. This was only Thirty Five years ago. Even a cheap digital camera equipped smart phone can deliver results beyond the wildest dreams of 1990s budding Film directors.
In the UK if you are on a relatively high wage and have a company car switching from ICE to EV has a massive positive impact on your take home pay after tax. Something seldom talked about. One of my friends was reporting he normally gets about 320 miles from a full charge on his Tesla. Not that many people drive more than 300 miles per day.
Which will end, come Dave's tipping point and HMG has lost its revenue from ICE cars. At that point, you'll be back to square 1 but with higher potential costs hanging over your head.
While I'm sure the fast-charging stations at the nearby Buc-ee's are used on occasion, I've yet to see even one EV plugged in. I should point out that this Buc-ee's is located just off I-40 near several major tourist attractions. I think that management seriously overestimated the number of tourists who would travel hundreds of miles in an EV.
It costs literally MILLIONS of dollars to build out the equivalent of a convenience store with 16 gas/diesel pumps. The typical fast-charging station costs between $43,000 (Tesla) and $200,000 (Tesla competitors) PER OUTLET. Then there is the issue of what to do with patrons while they wait excessive amounts of time for their EV's to charge. Where gas/diesel refueling centers are very profitable to operate, there is no business model that will generate a profit for EV recharging facilities.
If you can’t think of a way to profit from a bunch of well healed, bored EV owners with time on their hands, you will be poor forever! The major cost component of petrol stations in high (urban) traffic flow areas is the land value. Charging stations can be built in the least expensive location, since EV software will direct you to them, even automatically, once FSD is perfected.
It's often said, that EV's were more popular than ICE, in the early 1900's, which is completely true. But what was more popular than both put together were steam buggies and steam carriages, which had a good range but a long startup time. Within the last 20 years a steam car has reached 148mph. Steam can now be powered by renewable wood chips,and in applications where the vehicle is kept running all day, might yet become popular again
I applaud your drum banging for the EV industry, however as an early adopter myself, currently owning 2 electric cars and 2 electric motorcycles. I have experienced a massive detrimental change in my experience of driving beyond the range capability of my vehicles. It’s the DC charging experience that is the problem. Blocked, broken or busy just about says it all. Add to that poor, unattended pump location and signage, non standardised payment protocols, poor charging speeds…….need I go on? I suffer from anxiety every time I do longer EV journeys and I do try and plan my trips with at least 2 or more fallback chargers JIC. Sorry, but for my sanity I’m buying a hybrid. Good luck with your channel, your content seems to be at odds as to what I am personally experiencing. I hope it improves significantly for the many frustrated long distance EV drivers out there.
To each his/her own. I recently took a trip down to Cornwall (360 miles each way) and suffered no queues, no broken chargers, no issues charging, no range anxiety. Last week we took a day trip up to Cairn Lodge, about 60 miles North of Gretna Green and in a full day of driving and filming, all of which we use in our videos, we found not a single queue, nor a single broken charger, nor any instances where we could not charge. The worst we found was a Gridserve 360kW charger at Southwaite services on the M6 running at 43kW (that video has been released) but it easily topped the car back up to 85% over lunch. I do not for a minute doubt you, but my actual experiences of driving long distances in an EV over the last 4 years, and especially the last year since we started the channel, which were all filmed and will appear in our videos, was the exact opposite of what you describe. I also talk to drivers whenever I stop to charge and they all appear to be very happy and do not want to return to petrol. I personally have not queued to charge anywhere in the UK for well in excess of 18 months. Good luck with your hybrid.
I find it funny how they moan that EV's are too expensive, price falls and they moan they are too cheap. This is an ideal time to buy second hand and many EV's 3 to 4 years old have good range. I think car prices kept increasing due to monthly payments slowly pushing up and people continuing to take them out over the past 2 years. People have maybe had enough and it has been seen by not buying the stupidly priced EV's from legacy car makers, whereas Tesla and others did price reductions and offered much better options. Stellantis now offering cheaper EV's will push people towards buying them, if they have brand loyalty. They need to move to full EV production in any way to make cars cheaper and turn a profit. This is the only way that I see a way out for them. In the past 3 years you can see on the roads how many more EV's are out there.
Same here in central Scotland, lots of EVs around. I handed my Mini Cooper S E nearing the end of its 3 years PCP and 3 years of brilliant fun Saturday before Easter Sunday. Was in the dealers last Saturday in time to see it being driven out of the handover bay in the hands of the new owner, it was actually purchased within 24 hours of me handing it in but needed a small dent on the bonnet pulled out otherwise it would have been handed over sooner. That Mini dealer cannot get enough used electric Minis to satisfy demand. The 110 mile range on a full charge doesn’t seem to worry folks who only do a few miles a day and the 28.9kWh usable battery doesn’t take long to charge but most owners seem to home charge them. Also life is easy on the charging front as they can only charge to 100% as there is no way to limit it, the 100% indicated full “tank” is actually 95% full and the BMS is also great at managing charging to “full”. I’ve replaced mine with a new electric Countryman that gets handed over tomorrow (Tuesday)
When we first started driving an EV back in 2014 you might see another one the same day. Nowadays in a queue of traffic you see one in three are EV’s. The times are achangin albeit slowly. Camera companies didn’t have the billions the oil companies have at their disposal to slow down EV uptake so instead of 10 years I guess 20 years will be the order of march. Personally I don’t care what folk drive so long as the pollution they produce pays for the health issues they cause. No doubt there will be a class action about vehicle pollution rather like the diesel scandal where low level management will receive prison sentences whilst the big boys slide away on their nice new cruisers and yachts paid for by ICE drivers
In the UK there are 11.5 million diesels, 17.5 million petrols, and just about a million EVs. a ratio of 1 in 29. (DVLA data, VEH0105) I think your '1 in 3' is not quite there yet
Key EV negative pointers: (cameras are a very bad analogy). General EV infrastructure is still very poor; EV vehicle purchases are beyond the vast majority of households; insurance costs are rising exponentially; range anxiety is still highly prevalent; maintenance costs extortionate, assuming one can even find a garage that will do the maintenance or accident damage; battery performance declines rapidly in cold weather; battery mechanical performance declines quicker over time against ice/hybrid engines and battery replacement is prohibitively expensive; public EV chargers are prone to significant charging times and high cost, usage damage, vandalism, software bugs, unique vehicle charging dependency and universal location availability leading to further anxiety. The vast majority of homeowners do not have excess to home chargers and stringing charger cables across pavements is fraught with problems (blocks of flats, forget it) . The word is getting out and people are starting to see LVs are not the solution going forward regardless what Government/Dealers/EV manufacturers/media suggest.....and the Taxman is sizing up how to maintain tax revenues from the possible decline of ICE ownership - ah yes, tax EV owners! In short, this whole debacle has not been thought through by Government (do they ever think about the obvious issues) and the Net Zero zealots don't care about the cost to society!
Something people forget about film cameras is how poor they were in low light. Taking photos indoors was very difficult. OK if it was of something close, when a flash would illuminate the subject, but where the distance was too far for a flash, tough. Your only chance was to increase the exposure, and that usually meant a blurry picture. With my digital camera I seldom use the flash at all, because the technology simply performs so much better in low light. If you consider home charging to be the equivalent of not needing to take the film to a developing lab, the low-light performance might be the torque, of the VtL, or the low running/maintenance costs. However you work the analogy, it's a really valuable feature.
Morag don’t be negative, old style photography was an art. So dont talk rubbish, yes any only fans or prostitutes without a brain can use an iPhone as the are brainless and artless. Film cameras create atmosphere when playing with light, your obviously no hand at photography 😂
@@tommyking626 But you get the battery with the car, and it lasts as long as the car does, if not longer. So the cost of a new one shouldn't even be on your radar. Sure, things can go wrong (I had an ICE die on me at 30,000 miles), but EVs are generally under warranty for eight years, so if the battery fails before then it will be fixed or replaced FoC. There are cars around that have done hundreds of thousands of miles on their original battery.
I am on my third EV in 5 years / currently a Tesla model 3 LR (620km WLTP), charge at home for free using. Solar. Arrange long journeys to Spain, Portugal, Germany so that I stay in hotels that offer free or cheap (eg 5 Euros) or free charging. BYD have just announced a new battery that is 37% more energy dense than its current battery, when did you see that leap in performance in an ICE car? A better analogy is computers versus Typewiriters, the only problem with an EV , like a PC, is that two years later, there is a better model at a cheaper price.
@@jameschalkwig787 Hotels that put petrol in your car for free! Where are they? Can you refuel at home for free? 90% EV charging is done at home. How much have your servicing costs been? How much carbon and other pollutants have you emitting? None of my electric cars have refused to work in cold weather - if I was stuck in a blizzard for 2 days, my Tesla would keep me warm. Can you precondition your Honda from your phone? Does it have dog mode or camper mode?
The amount of EVs around where I live has grown rapidly in the last year in particular. When I got my EV 18 months back it got plenty of attention as they weren't that common. While I don't own a Tesla myself I would say Tesla Model 3 and Model Y are the most common cars in our area, certainly the most common new cars. With the mandate for manufacturers to sell at least 22% EVs this year I can see some crazy deals happening towards the back end of the year.
My last ICE car was a 2012 model cost £47k equivalent in today’s money. I bought it at around 2 years old for half that value. This means I can easily afford a two year old Tesla model 3 or Y. The sensible choice value for money for me now to spend my £20k on is a no brainier, it’s a second hand premium electric car, and it will have a superior performance to any 2 year old ICE car for the same money.
Superior performance ?, yes if you want to be forever charging.......If you can get charged without it costing a fortune. Nah ! Ev's are a failing con as far as I'm concerned.
Dude , we own one of those teslas you are purporting is superior, bud , yes they do accelerate fast , they do have some gimmicky crap in them , but overall imo they are hugely inferior to a good gas car , and you think buying a cheap electric car with a half worn out battery is a good idea 😂😂😂😂😂, perhaps you should look at the price of batteries before making a final decision. Do some research first , ours is a long range model, and it’s range slightly better , but it is still poor.
@@mikldude9376 there is no need to be aggressive and insulting. You appear to think batteries only last 4 years, when Tesla warrant theirs for 7 years. In the UK the price of petrol is much higher, so electric makes economic sense. Your opinion differs from mine, that’s fine. You carry on in your illusions, I’ll carry on in mine, but if Tesla’s are so bad I’m wondering why you own one, I guess it says something about your research skills, and your judgement.
On my commute I counted 1 EV to 62 petrol or diesel vehicles. They are not going to get parity anytime soon. The estimate for like for like replacement is 400 years!
If EV’s were any better than ICE cars people would have bought them just like they did to digital cameras, when it came to phones it was a selling innovation that made sense to combine a phone and a camera , EV not same. Only similar to todays phone/ camera is having a hybrid ICE car .
Hi Dave, how did you find the chart at 7:52 in the video. Do you have a website or link? I want to compare countries on this such as mine (USA). Thank you for all your videos. I find them most interesting especially to get a perspective on how things are going in the UK vs here in the US.
It depends on where you are, I’m in London today and I have seen loads of EVs, maybe because of ULEZ. I live in a middle class suburb in Merseyside and there are quite a few EVs in our street, including our driveway, the house across the road, the house 2 doors down and another house 2 doors down again. On the other hand a street of terraced houses in Birkenhead may have non at all.
For me I can charge overnight and the 250 mile range I get costs me less than £6. How much do others pay to fill their petrol tank? I have heard some paying about £80. Plus in the winter I can pre-heat the battery, de-ice the windows and warm my seat from my app in the warmth of my home while having breakfast. Do others still go out there, run their engines, pour buckets of warm water and scrape all the windows by hand? Really?
@anthonyberry9132 .What are you on about? Do you have a milage figure in your mind that disqualifies someone from driving an EV ? If I do a 200 mile return journey in my EV does that mean I should be driving a petrol or diesel car? I could make the argument that if you do a 200 mile return journey in your ICE car then I would suggest an EV would be just perfect.
Hi Dave, most EV are mainly use for short journeys ie in town and school runs. As you have said before it,s only cost effective to charge at home on normal rates or over night at an even cheaper rate. We are fortunate to own one fully electric car and a very economical diesel vehicle which will be shortly changing for a hybrid. The diesel vehicles can achieve 50 to 65 mpg and road tax of £35 a year, I don’t understand stand £35 road tax when our new hybrid will cost £170 road tax a year. All current EV owner need to put pressure on the government take control of electric supplies with over priced service charges and stop connecting the cost of electricity with the cost of gas prices.
@@AlanTovQuite right. The poster is likely confused in that even most ICE cars likely only do short trips most of the time. I charged mine to 90% for a trip out Sunday and did not charge on my return home. Not a race but about 60mph. Monday has seen another 60 miles (and definitely no rush whatsoever - I arrived at my destination with loads of time as I started out quite early) and it’s now put back on charge (to 80%) overnight. It still had 20% left in the battery but perhaps insufficient if I need to go out (for other than one of those short journeys) on Tuesday. No worry at all. Later in the week it may get charged to 100% for a possible 250 mile round trip on Sunday. So easy to organise, if necessary; no need for hassle re charging. If I need to stop, for a few minutes, at a rapid charger to have sufficient range to get home, so be it. When home it gets put on charge. About 50kWh overnight is usually quite adequate for the next few days of short journeys.🙂 In 12 months of ownership I have never needed to charge urgently. I only need to use just a few brain cells to work it out - leaving all the rest to enjoy the electric car. Some must be clearly challenged, with insufficient brain power - whether it is about charging away from home or using them both to concentrate on range anxiety.🙂
I live in Arizona and recently did a 1,600 mile round trip to Northern California and back. It was way cheaper than driving a gas car, and much more relaxing. After 60 years of driving gas, no more gas cars for me.
I'm afraid to get a country wide capacity out of the grid to cope with the sort of numbers of EV's the government want to see on the road in the years to come will be practically impossible to achieve .....
Cars post pandemic are too expensive. As far as EV demand being up, while true maybe, it does not reflect on wider public. Reason being that the demographic that buy EV's has always been people who earn above average incomes. Consequently these people can absorb price increases better than poor and working poor.
The digital camera analogy is spurious. Clearly that advancement had many benefits over the previous technology with no drawbacks at all. The public required no central government incentives to adopt the new kit even if it involved junking the old. I have a number of viable old cameras in drawers.. EV's, however, have no real practical advantages over an ICE car at all after you strip back the hype. I really wanted one too till I looked a bit further than the end of my nose. The drawbacks, at least for the immediate future, of an EV are however, many indeed. They are I guess quicker off the mark (not much use as we transition to 20mph speed restrictions etc.though) and they are very quiet. My Audi A6 is quiet enough though, I think. So is it a surprise that the general public who want affordable reliable transport they can get fixed anywhere are nervous of the apparent drawbacks. E.G. range anxiety, cost, uncertain residuals. experimental battery tech, too much tech anyway, fires, expensive insurance, expensive repairs etc. etc.? Without the sanctimonious Worldwide Government pressure in response to misguided net zero aspirations this market would never have seen the light of day till we had developed a true, viable alternative to the ICE cars and commercial/heavy vehicles. Like many I will sit on my hands for as long as it takes for the current mess to sort itself out. NO SALE!
@@philiptaylor7902 Poetic licence there, I guess, but they have certainly moved in lockstep to drive the manufactures, don't you think? I suspect that the WEF has had a large part to play in all this.
@@AlanTov Well, I haven't even mentioned the damage to the climate/environment brought about by the move to EV's. A whole different debate. City center air would be cleaner, though I would concede that.
Hey Dave, would be interested in your thoughts on what needs to happen to support everyone driving EV’s. For example what will services at the motorways need to do to support everyone driving EVs, will we need huge car parks of chargers. Someone actually asked me this when looking at my car today and it made me think a bit.
You can't have been on Hilton Park services on the M6 recently. Around 40 chargers on there now......even Tebay services, not far from me, has 9 rapid chargers now. Around 16'000 new public charging connections were installed in the UK during 2023, and even more are planned for 2024...... No huge car parks of chargers will be needed, as the average UK motorway journey is 70 to 80 miles. Around 60% or more of UK electric car owners charge at home 90% of the time, on cheaper of-peak electricity. It is only a very few times a year, will they use public charging on the motorway. In the same way ICE car drivers only buy petrol on the motorway if they *have* to......
@@Brian-om2hh great in knew I would get a good response to this question here. Thanks. It’s a constant battle trying to answer EVERY question doubters have.
Also remember that if you fill to 100% overnight before you travel , most recent EV's should have over 200 miles of range, those with larger batteries around 300 miles. So not many cars need to recharge every time they visit a service station. Petrol stations have the same issue as was high lighted a few years ago. If everyone wants to fill up with fuel at the same time, huge queues before the fuel then runs out. EV drivers would queue but electricity would keep flowing. 2 to 3 years ago services could often be found with just 2 chargers, this picture has changed massively with over 20 now available in most.
I think it's quite a complex question and answer because whereas with ICE, it's easy to do the sums based on number of cars, size of fuel tank, dictates how much capacity needs to exist on forecourts to pump. With an EV, it depends on where the driver goes and how often. Stick within the range of the vehicle on a regular basis and with an ability to charge at home, what's needed? Nothing. The determination then is the requirement for those times over and above home charging and that's all.
@@Brian-om2hh 16000 new chargers. Hmmm. 10,000 near London, 100 in the whole of the North East of England. When a new company boasts of setting up thousands of new chargers look at a map of where they are. Very enlightening. A bit like a chicken and an egg. No chargers in areas where people cannot afford the cars. EVs also do not sell in these areas as there are next to no chargers.
Yes you are right. 50% greater profit but this is for a group of companies spanning back over 100 years and that is against a total reported debt of $33 Billion, almost twice the reported profit. I know which I would rather have.
You do realise that ev don't cover every vehicle use ? I live remote in Australia i am also disabled i have the perfect vehicle for me . A 1996 Toyota hiace commuter 4wd diesel. There is nothing on the market that can do 1000k carry a ton legally and still be able to have a fixed bed and carry both my power chairs. That distance is between charging stations I travel the distance for medical appointments. I have never seen a ev in the district i live in btw the district is about the size of the uk
How do you explain Tesla's share prize crashing by 1/3 since the beginning of 2024 plus panic discounts in the US because their sales figures are massively behind expectations? I seem to remember you accusing legacy auto of running around like headless chickens when they did same in Europe (non of the European car makers' share prizes took anywhere near the hit Tesla took). Has the Tesla (not the EV) bubble burst now? Btw. in our household we have 2 ev cars + an electric BMW scooter, hence, I am not an ev hater
Easy. Osborne effect. Why buy the old model now when the next model is around the corner. Also Tesla factory in China being revamped to sell new model so temporarily reduced output. Attack on electrical supply in Germany to Tesla factory by Greens (funded and setup by Russia so they attack all industry to cause as much disruption as possible). A slow down of production was announced by Tesla months ago hence the stock market dip. Much to do about nothing. Non Tesla models selling even faster as expected.
The majority of manufacturers seem to be stepping back, snd gravitating towards hybrids and phev's. I'd guess this is because the current race to the bottom means any other than Tesla or China are unable to make a profit on each car sold. I do think 2024 will be a tough year for sales, in particular in the UK with Expensive car tax applying to EV's (2025) and VED applying to EV next year also. The insurance increases for EV's in particular are very real. Same scenario really. Unless you own a performance ICE doing sub 30 mpg + & 15k annual mileage and can home charge, it's difficult to see an EV making financial sense. Oh, and lets not forget the depreciation. Company / Fleet BIK EV owners and salary sacrifices are possible exceptions to varying degrees.
BEV sales are still increasing in the UK. You can't judge the state of entire market on a single company. If that was the case, then the entire UK energy supply industry would have collapsed.
EV’s are a high cost, major industry disruptor. The impact of economies of scale, buyer preference shifts and critical mass tipping points are all subject to non-linear “butterfly effects”, making future EV uptake prediction a mugs game. What about range anxiety for the remaining ICE vehicle drivers, having to hope their usual petrol station hasn’t gone out of business?
I need a van for my work and don't have a car so I am holding out till one day I can afford a second-hand EV van no way can I afford one new So Probably another 10 years just hope my van can make it that long.
All this pre registering stuff has been going on since the year dot, nothing new here. What about dealers refusing to take Evs in part exchange, Dave? I know one. What about the cost of a new EV battery, Dave? Who's going to buy an 8 year old Tesla? Tipping points...there was one in 1930s Germany. How's that going? I could go on, but I need a wee....😄
It depends where you live. In a low income area every journey out an EV can be seen. So 1 to 3% could provide this. Near London there are a huge number of EVs so several can be seem in every long queue of traffic. Wild guess 10% or more in such an affluent area. This will probably remain the same for a few years to come. Amersham / Chesham area seething with EVs. Chipping Norton a small number. Pick your part of the country for your own example. Low income areas are not going to change, London is not going to stop getting the lions share of all the money and resources.
Because you live in the UK and make barely a blip on the world radar about anything. Go to a country that makes a difference and your question will be relevant. Like China, the worlds biggest car market. They have now reached nearly 50% penetration and when you go to any large city you feels like you are in Tomorrowland and not Slough. Its that simple.
@@Markcain268 I hear what you say but I'm afraid that in the context of the subject matter the UK is entirely irrelevant, its not about the UK- its about the world Im afraid and I have already explained my reason
@@Markcain268 That's because the UK is infected with a criminally corrupt government, solely invested in its members, enabled by a backward facing, educationally inept electorate, conned into something against their best interests. Other than that, I agree that the relevance of the video is about the UK, China is irrelevant to the video.
The one huge fallacy in your argument is that digital camera technology is vastly superior to film technology in every way, while lithium battery car technology is a complete failure. It’s impractical and useless for anything other than a short range daily commuter with a charging station at home. Range is minimal and charging away from home is completely impractical. The battery powered EV is only selling due to massive government subsidies.
Talking about fallacy: The MAJORITY of car journeys ARE short range! Charging infrastructure, like petrol stations for ICE vehicles in the early 20th century, will grow commensurate with EV uptake. Subsidies are meant to incentivise early adopters to buy EV’s, bringing about price parity by “economies of scale”. It’s not rocket science, is it?
Keep talking your narrative while ICE car market is dying in China, Europe. America is becoming the backwaters of renewable clean energy tech. Cars are much $$$ than phones, so will take longer to shift. But oil cost must go up as reduced use dictates, 🔋 cost will keep falling while range/ charge times get better. No brainier.
Leaf purchased 9 yrs ago saved me 10000 or more in fuel most free from government year old ionic 5 bad depreciation high but 10000 saved balances it out a no brainer still have leaf and the savings go on leaf does all the nipping around keeps mirage off ionic 5 in winter it stays at home as battery store in r heating house in summer lovely fire 300 mile journeys and
I don't remember people being cajoled by the government into buying digital cameras with tax breaks or catastrophising predictions of the world coming to an end. a completely new technology regarding mass transport solutions would be most welcome & I'm sure your camera analogy would then be justified, the problem with EV's is they are basically a 200-year-old technology that has the same inherent problem today as it did then ..... Batteries as a means of energy storage namely their Weight & range!!
Spot on post mate !
one point is when the battery goes bad. there's goes your saving for fuel
@tommyking626 You're right. That's what I'm afraid of
@@tommyking626 you get a warranty replacement, same as if your diesel engine blows up.
You are not being cajoled; you are being incentivised to switch to a new, more efficient and less polluting technology. If you disagree with that premise, keep your ICE vehicle. The choice is yours…
Not factually correct: buyers are NOT "snapping up" EV cars as soon as they can be made. That may have been true three years ago, but now dealers can't get rid of the stock they have. Fleet buyers have backed away from EVs; Hertz kicked out the man who committed to 100, 000 Teslas because it turned out renters don't want the worry of driving an EV with attendant range anxiety. Elon Musk was only recently forced to drop the price of Teslas because of decling sales. Many dealers are refusing to sell EVs - hardly a sign that ICE cars are on the way out. Hybrid sales are increasing and that's a pointer to the way things are going.
he is a liar,,probably a wef bootlicker
If everyone that currently owns a car suddenly went over to EV ownership would there be enough power available, I very much doubt it. The government know this and will use it to reduce the number of cars on the road going forward. There are so many reasons not to buy an EV it makes me wonder why anyone would.
real question is thats happen , govt who make so much money from taxes on petrol and diesel ,
where will that money come from!
will they just forget about that money?
if not , will charging ev at home will remain this cost effective ?
If you check the available data, we consume less mains power now than we did in the mid eighties. Due to LED lighting etc.The grid has more than enough capacity for future needs. EV,s have limitations, but the positives outweigh the negatives, check the facts.
It's going to be a steady transition. 20+ million cars can not suddenly be electric, and may take 20 years to get to even 80% electric on the road. Plenty of time to build in infrastructure. And don't forget the huge amount of electricity used to refine petrol and diesel, will no longer be required. Overnight "smart" charging such as Octopus Intelligent will even out the grid demand.
Part of the tipping point will be availability of PETROL. The majority of petrol stations are SMEs, and very few SMEs can survive the PERMANENT loss of, say, 30% of their customers, and said businesses will then become not just unviable, but unsellable. The bell curve that sees EVs labouring under inadequate infrastructure on the way in, will switch to ICE infrastructure shortages, on the way out.
Spot on, the supermarkets won't mess about when they start losing money on their petrol stations.
When those start closing we'll know that EV's are here to stay.
If you think taking pictures was a Carry On film - try 8mm Standard then the slightly easier Super 8mm cine film. This up until the early 1990s, the way to record video until analog and then digital video cameras came along. If you wanted to go mad, you could opt for the Super 8 with an audio strip on it. Then make sure you have a projector that can replay the recording. This was only Thirty Five years ago. Even a cheap digital camera equipped smart phone can deliver results beyond the wildest dreams of 1990s budding Film directors.
You don’t see them on the road because they are all waiting to get charged.
EVs are at best a niche market without government subsidies sales will drop dramatically.
In the UK if you are on a relatively high wage and have a company car switching from ICE to EV has a massive positive impact on your take home pay after tax. Something seldom talked about. One of my friends was reporting he normally gets about 320 miles from a full charge on his Tesla. Not that many people drive more than 300 miles per day.
Which will end, come Dave's tipping point and HMG has lost its revenue from ICE cars.
At that point, you'll be back to square 1 but with higher potential costs hanging over your head.
Sorry your out of date
@@bernardcharlesworth9860 Who's out of date with what?
PS.....you're, as in you are.
Also, if you work for a company with an 'opt out' scheme it is beneficial to buy a 3yr old diesel and run it for free
@@chrisbarron5861 didn't know that's thought you had to buy the fuel
Thanks
Thanks for your support Stephen, much appreciated, Dave
While I'm sure the fast-charging stations at the nearby Buc-ee's are used on occasion, I've yet to see even one EV plugged in. I should point out that this Buc-ee's is located just off I-40 near several major tourist attractions. I think that management seriously overestimated the number of tourists who would travel hundreds of miles in an EV.
It costs literally MILLIONS of dollars to build out the equivalent of a convenience store with 16 gas/diesel pumps. The typical fast-charging station costs between $43,000 (Tesla) and $200,000 (Tesla competitors) PER OUTLET. Then there is the issue of what to do with patrons while they wait excessive amounts of time for their EV's to charge.
Where gas/diesel refueling centers are very profitable to operate, there is no business model that will generate a profit for EV recharging facilities.
If you can’t think of a way to profit from a bunch of well healed, bored EV owners with time on their hands, you will be poor forever! The major cost component of petrol stations in high (urban) traffic flow areas is the land value. Charging stations can be built in the least expensive location, since EV software will direct you to them, even automatically, once FSD is perfected.
It's often said, that EV's were more popular than ICE, in the early 1900's, which is completely true.
But what was more popular than both put together were steam buggies and steam carriages, which had a good range but a long startup time.
Within the last 20 years a steam car has reached 148mph. Steam can now be powered by renewable wood chips,and in applications where the vehicle is kept running all day, might yet become popular again
I applaud your drum banging for the EV industry, however as an early adopter myself, currently owning 2 electric cars and 2 electric motorcycles. I have experienced a massive detrimental change in my experience of driving beyond the range capability of my vehicles. It’s the DC charging experience that is the problem. Blocked, broken or busy just about says it all. Add to that poor, unattended pump location and signage, non standardised payment protocols, poor charging speeds…….need I go on? I suffer from anxiety every time I do longer EV journeys and I do try and plan my trips with at least 2 or more fallback chargers JIC. Sorry, but for my sanity I’m buying a hybrid. Good luck with your channel, your content seems to be at odds as to what I am personally experiencing. I hope it improves significantly for the many frustrated long distance EV drivers out there.
To each his/her own. I recently took a trip down to Cornwall (360 miles each way) and suffered no queues, no broken chargers, no issues charging, no range anxiety. Last week we took a day trip up to Cairn Lodge, about 60 miles North of Gretna Green and in a full day of driving and filming, all of which we use in our videos, we found not a single queue, nor a single broken charger, nor any instances where we could not charge. The worst we found was a Gridserve 360kW charger at Southwaite services on the M6 running at 43kW (that video has been released) but it easily topped the car back up to 85% over lunch. I do not for a minute doubt you, but my actual experiences of driving long distances in an EV over the last 4 years, and especially the last year since we started the channel, which were all filmed and will appear in our videos, was the exact opposite of what you describe. I also talk to drivers whenever I stop to charge and they all appear to be very happy and do not want to return to petrol. I personally have not queued to charge anywhere in the UK for well in excess of 18 months. Good luck with your hybrid.
I find it funny how they moan that EV's are too expensive, price falls and they moan they are too cheap. This is an ideal time to buy second hand and many EV's 3 to 4 years old have good range. I think car prices kept increasing due to monthly payments slowly pushing up and people continuing to take them out over the past 2 years. People have maybe had enough and it has been seen by not buying the stupidly priced EV's from legacy car makers, whereas Tesla and others did price reductions and offered much better options.
Stellantis now offering cheaper EV's will push people towards buying them, if they have brand loyalty.
They need to move to full EV production in any way to make cars cheaper and turn a profit. This is the only way that I see a way out for them.
In the past 3 years you can see on the roads how many more EV's are out there.
Definitely seeing more EV's my way in Kent. Now regularly see Tesla's when commuting! Perhaps it's the universe sending me a message...😁!
Same here in central Scotland, lots of EVs around. I handed my Mini Cooper S E nearing the end of its 3 years PCP and 3 years of brilliant fun Saturday before Easter Sunday. Was in the dealers last Saturday in time to see it being driven out of the handover bay in the hands of the new owner, it was actually purchased within 24 hours of me handing it in but needed a small dent on the bonnet pulled out otherwise it would have been handed over sooner. That Mini dealer cannot get enough used electric Minis to satisfy demand. The 110 mile range on a full charge doesn’t seem to worry folks who only do a few miles a day and the 28.9kWh usable battery doesn’t take long to charge but most owners seem to home charge them. Also life is easy on the charging front as they can only charge to 100% as there is no way to limit it, the 100% indicated full “tank” is actually 95% full and the BMS is also great at managing charging to “full”. I’ve replaced mine with a new electric Countryman that gets handed over tomorrow (Tuesday)
@@timoliver8940 Hope you enjoy the new Mini EV as much as you did the old one!
When we first started driving an EV back in 2014 you might see another one the same day. Nowadays in a queue of traffic you see one in three are EV’s.
The times are achangin albeit slowly.
Camera companies didn’t have the billions the oil companies have at their disposal to slow down EV uptake so instead of 10 years I guess 20 years will be the order of march.
Personally I don’t care what folk drive so long as the pollution they produce pays for the health issues they cause.
No doubt there will be a class action about vehicle pollution rather like the diesel scandal where low level management will receive prison sentences whilst the big boys slide away on their nice new cruisers and yachts paid for by ICE drivers
In the UK there are 11.5 million diesels, 17.5 million petrols, and just about a million EVs. a ratio of 1 in 29. (DVLA data, VEH0105)
I think your '1 in 3' is not quite there yet
The rise in the number of evs on the roads in the last few months has been staggering
I've missed that. Funny old world, eh?
Really? Someone tell that to my town lol
There's barely a million of them in total
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Love these casts @dave
Key EV negative pointers: (cameras are a very bad analogy). General EV infrastructure is still very poor; EV vehicle purchases are beyond the vast majority of households; insurance costs are rising exponentially; range anxiety is still highly prevalent; maintenance costs extortionate, assuming one can even find a garage that will do the maintenance or accident damage; battery performance declines rapidly in cold weather; battery mechanical performance declines quicker over time against ice/hybrid engines and battery replacement is prohibitively expensive; public EV chargers are prone to significant charging times and high cost, usage damage, vandalism, software bugs, unique vehicle charging dependency and universal location availability leading to further anxiety. The vast majority of homeowners do not have excess to home chargers and stringing charger cables across pavements is fraught with problems (blocks of flats, forget it) . The word is getting out and people are starting to see LVs are not the solution going forward regardless what Government/Dealers/EV manufacturers/media suggest.....and the Taxman is sizing up how to maintain tax revenues from the possible decline of ICE ownership - ah yes, tax EV owners! In short, this whole debacle has not been thought through by Government (do they ever think about the obvious issues) and the Net Zero zealots don't care about the cost to society!
Something people forget about film cameras is how poor they were in low light. Taking photos indoors was very difficult. OK if it was of something close, when a flash would illuminate the subject, but where the distance was too far for a flash, tough. Your only chance was to increase the exposure, and that usually meant a blurry picture.
With my digital camera I seldom use the flash at all, because the technology simply performs so much better in low light. If you consider home charging to be the equivalent of not needing to take the film to a developing lab, the low-light performance might be the torque, of the VtL, or the low running/maintenance costs. However you work the analogy, it's a really valuable feature.
Morag don’t be negative, old style photography was an art. So dont talk rubbish, yes any only fans or prostitutes without a brain can use an iPhone as the are brainless and artless. Film cameras create atmosphere when playing with light, your obviously no hand at photography 😂
digital camera battery is cheap even when they are first came out. not the same as ev if battery is 6k for 80kwh. i will buy them in a heartbeat
@@tommyking626 But you get the battery with the car, and it lasts as long as the car does, if not longer. So the cost of a new one shouldn't even be on your radar. Sure, things can go wrong (I had an ICE die on me at 30,000 miles), but EVs are generally under warranty for eight years, so if the battery fails before then it will be fixed or replaced FoC. There are cars around that have done hundreds of thousands of miles on their original battery.
I am on my third EV in 5 years / currently a Tesla model 3 LR (620km WLTP), charge at home for free using. Solar. Arrange long journeys to Spain, Portugal, Germany so that I stay in hotels that offer free or cheap (eg 5 Euros) or free charging. BYD have just announced a new battery that is 37% more energy dense than its current battery, when did you see that leap in performance in an ICE car? A better analogy is computers versus Typewiriters, the only problem with an EV , like a PC, is that two years later, there is a better model at a cheaper price.
@@jameschalkwig787 Hotels that put petrol in your car for free! Where are they? Can you refuel at home for free? 90% EV charging is done at home. How much have your servicing costs been? How much carbon and other pollutants have you emitting? None of my electric cars have refused to work in cold weather - if I was stuck in a blizzard for 2 days, my Tesla would keep me warm. Can you precondition your Honda from your phone? Does it have dog mode or camper mode?
The amount of EVs around where I live has grown rapidly in the last year in particular. When I got my EV 18 months back it got plenty of attention as they weren't that common. While I don't own a Tesla myself I would say Tesla Model 3 and Model Y are the most common cars in our area, certainly the most common new cars. With the mandate for manufacturers to sell at least 22% EVs this year I can see some crazy deals happening towards the back end of the year.
My last ICE car was a 2012 model cost £47k equivalent in today’s money. I bought it at around 2 years old for half that value. This means I can easily afford a two year old Tesla model 3 or Y. The sensible choice value for money for me now to spend my £20k on is a no brainier, it’s a second hand premium electric car, and it will have a superior performance to any 2 year old ICE car for the same money.
Clearly, you are a traveller, not a motorist. Away wi' ye, you milkfloatist of doom.
Superior performance ?, yes if you want to be forever charging.......If you can get charged without it costing a fortune. Nah ! Ev's are a failing con as far as I'm concerned.
Dude , we own one of those teslas you are purporting is superior, bud , yes they do accelerate fast , they do have some gimmicky crap in them , but overall imo they are hugely inferior to a good gas car , and you think buying a cheap electric car with a half worn out battery is a good idea 😂😂😂😂😂, perhaps you should look at the price of batteries before making a final decision.
Do some research first , ours is a long range model, and it’s range slightly better , but it is still poor.
@@mikldude9376 there is no need to be aggressive and insulting. You appear to think batteries only last 4 years, when Tesla warrant theirs for 7 years. In the UK the price of petrol is much higher, so electric makes economic sense. Your opinion differs from mine, that’s fine. You carry on in your illusions, I’ll carry on in mine, but if Tesla’s are so bad I’m wondering why you own one, I guess it says something about your research skills, and your judgement.
What did milkdude9376 say that was aggressive and insulting? Can't someone have a different opinion to you?
On my commute I counted 1 EV to 62 petrol or diesel vehicles. They are not going to get parity anytime soon. The estimate for like for like replacement is 400 years!
If EV’s were any better than ICE cars people would have bought them just like they did to digital cameras, when it came to phones it was a selling innovation that made sense to combine a phone and a camera , EV not same. Only similar to todays phone/ camera is having a hybrid ICE car .
Flipping heck Dave that’s going on a bit
Press *2 speed up 😀👍
Dave is Master of Statin' the Bleedin' Obvious whilst boring you to death so you don't think about the negatives.
Facts Dave as usual !!
Hi Dave, how did you find the chart at 7:52 in the video. Do you have a website or link? I want to compare countries on this such as mine (USA).
Thank you for all your videos. I find them most interesting especially to get a perspective on how things are going in the UK vs here in the US.
Hi Mike, Statista.com, much of their data is available for free public use but a lot isn't. Hope you find what you are looking for.
@@davetakesiton Ok, thanks Dave. I checked it out before, but I guess some extra work is needed to make the nice setup from your video. Best.
It depends on where you are, I’m in London today and I have seen loads of EVs, maybe because of ULEZ. I live in a middle class suburb in Merseyside and there are quite a few EVs in our street, including our driveway, the house across the road, the house 2 doors down and another house 2 doors down again. On the other hand a street of terraced houses in Birkenhead may have non at all.
London and other UK cities have passed the tipping point. And I'm not talking about cars 🤔
@@WIP532 wow
your theory and analogy are all good!
but what benefits / ease of use ev provide over ice?
For me I can charge overnight and the 250 mile range I get costs me less than £6. How much do others pay to fill their petrol tank? I have heard some paying about £80. Plus in the winter I can pre-heat the battery, de-ice the windows and warm my seat from my app in the warmth of my home while having breakfast. Do others still go out there, run their engines, pour buckets of warm water and scrape all the windows by hand? Really?
Trueprint! Hadn’t thought of it that way but makes sense when you think about it. Thanks Dave for another awesome video
A lot of wishful thinking going on here,those that find an EV useful do not need any car.
@anthonyberry9132 .What are you on about? Do you have a milage figure in your mind that disqualifies someone from driving an EV ? If I do a 200 mile return journey in my EV does that mean I should be driving a petrol or diesel car? I could make the argument that if you do a 200 mile return journey in your ICE car then I would suggest an EV would be just perfect.
Hi Dave, most EV are mainly use for short journeys ie in town and school runs. As you have said before it,s only cost effective to charge at home on normal rates or over night at an even cheaper rate. We are fortunate to own one fully electric car and a very economical diesel vehicle which will be shortly changing for a hybrid. The diesel vehicles can achieve 50 to 65 mpg and road tax of £35 a year, I don’t understand stand £35 road tax when our new hybrid will cost £170 road tax a year. All current EV owner need to put pressure on the government take control of electric supplies with over priced service charges and stop connecting the cost of electricity with the cost of gas prices.
Why do you think a car with a 280 mile range is for ‘short journies’? I regularly drive 200 miles in mine.
@@AlanTovQuite right. The poster is likely confused in that even most ICE cars likely only do short trips most of the time. I charged mine to 90% for a trip out Sunday and did not charge on my return home. Not a race but about 60mph.
Monday has seen another 60 miles (and definitely no rush whatsoever - I arrived at my destination with loads of time as I started out quite early) and it’s now put back on charge (to 80%) overnight. It still had 20% left in the battery but perhaps insufficient if I need to go out (for other than one of those short journeys) on Tuesday. No worry at all.
Later in the week it may get charged to 100% for a possible 250 mile round trip on Sunday. So easy to organise, if necessary; no need for hassle re charging. If I need to stop, for a few minutes, at a rapid charger to have sufficient range to get home, so be it. When home it gets put on charge. About 50kWh overnight is usually quite adequate for the next few days of short journeys.🙂 In 12 months of ownership I have never needed to charge urgently.
I only need to use just a few brain cells to work it out - leaving all the rest to enjoy the electric car. Some must be clearly challenged, with insufficient brain power - whether it is about charging away from home or using them both to concentrate on range anxiety.🙂
I live in Arizona and recently did a 1,600 mile round trip to Northern California and back. It was way cheaper than driving a gas car, and much more relaxing. After 60 years of driving gas, no more gas cars for me.
@@muskrat3291Agreed I started driving in 1973 and have had an EV for the last 3. Never going back to petrol or diesel. 😊
I'm afraid to get a country wide capacity out of the grid to cope with the sort of numbers of EV's the government want to see on the road in the years to come will be practically impossible to achieve .....
Dave, how do you see the price of petrol - diesel over time with less ICE being sold down the track?
I see a parallel between the EV haters and the Amish....
Cars post pandemic are too expensive. As far as EV demand being up, while true maybe, it does not reflect on wider public. Reason being that the demographic that buy EV's has always been people who earn above average incomes. Consequently these people can absorb price increases better than poor and working poor.
The digital camera analogy is spurious. Clearly that advancement had many benefits over the previous technology with no drawbacks at all. The public required no central government incentives to adopt the new kit even if it involved junking the old. I have a number of viable old cameras in drawers..
EV's, however, have no real practical advantages over an ICE car at all after you strip back the hype. I really wanted one too till I looked a bit further than the end of my nose. The drawbacks, at least for the immediate future, of an EV are however, many indeed. They are I guess quicker off the mark (not much use as we transition to 20mph speed restrictions etc.though) and they are very quiet. My Audi A6 is quiet enough though, I think. So is it a surprise that the general public who want affordable reliable transport they can get fixed anywhere are nervous of the apparent drawbacks. E.G. range anxiety, cost, uncertain residuals. experimental battery tech, too much tech anyway, fires, expensive insurance, expensive repairs etc. etc.? Without the sanctimonious Worldwide Government pressure in response to misguided net zero aspirations this market would never have seen the light of day till we had developed a true, viable alternative to the ICE cars and commercial/heavy vehicles. Like many I will sit on my hands for as long as it takes for the current mess to sort itself out. NO SALE!
And then there’s climate change….
You had me convinced there until you mentioned the "sanctimonious Worldwide Government".
@@philiptaylor7902 Poetic licence there, I guess, but they have certainly moved in lockstep to drive the manufactures, don't you think? I suspect that the WEF has had a large part to play in all this.
@@AlanTov Well, I haven't even mentioned the damage to the climate/environment brought about by the move to EV's. A whole different debate. City center air would be cleaner, though I would concede that.
I live on a busy road and there are loads of EVs driving past all day long. Mostly Tesla Model 3.
Hey Dave, would be interested in your thoughts on what needs to happen to support everyone driving EV’s. For example what will services at the motorways need to do to support everyone driving EVs, will we need huge car parks of chargers.
Someone actually asked me this when looking at my car today and it made me think a bit.
You can't have been on Hilton Park services on the M6 recently. Around 40 chargers on there now......even Tebay services, not far from me, has 9 rapid chargers now. Around 16'000 new public charging connections were installed in the UK during 2023, and even more are planned for 2024...... No huge car parks of chargers will be needed, as the average UK motorway journey is 70 to 80 miles. Around 60% or more of UK electric car owners charge at home 90% of the time, on cheaper of-peak electricity. It is only a very few times a year, will they use public charging on the motorway. In the same way ICE car drivers only buy petrol on the motorway if they *have* to......
@@Brian-om2hh great in knew I would get a good response to this question here. Thanks.
It’s a constant battle trying to answer EVERY question doubters have.
Also remember that if you fill to 100% overnight before you travel , most recent EV's should have over 200 miles of range, those with larger batteries around 300 miles. So not many cars need to recharge every time they visit a service station. Petrol stations have the same issue as was high lighted a few years ago. If everyone wants to fill up with fuel at the same time, huge queues before the fuel then runs out. EV drivers would queue but electricity would keep flowing.
2 to 3 years ago services could often be found with just 2 chargers, this picture has changed massively with over 20 now available in most.
I think it's quite a complex question and answer because whereas with ICE, it's easy to do the sums based on number of cars, size of fuel tank, dictates how much capacity needs to exist on forecourts to pump.
With an EV, it depends on where the driver goes and how often. Stick within the range of the vehicle on a regular basis and with an ability to charge at home, what's needed? Nothing. The determination then is the requirement for those times over and above home charging and that's all.
@@Brian-om2hh 16000 new chargers. Hmmm. 10,000 near London, 100 in the whole of the North East of England. When a new company boasts of setting up thousands of new chargers look at a map of where they are. Very enlightening. A bit like a chicken and an egg. No chargers in areas where people cannot afford the cars. EVs also do not sell in these areas as there are next to no chargers.
well we have a million EVs on the road and about 300,000 40+yr old free tax+MOT classic cars
Film cameras were cheaper than cars
@11:45 Tesla profit $13 Billion ? STELLANTIS just reported a record $19 Billion USD *NET* Profit in 2023.
*Source: Automotive News Europe*
Yes you are right. 50% greater profit but this is for a group of companies spanning back over 100 years and that is against a total reported debt of $33 Billion, almost twice the reported profit. I know which I would rather have.
And Musk is using a chunk of that profit to promote the anti-Ev, climate change denying Republican party.
Don’t buy Tesla while Musk profits.
2:15) "postcard sized?" Dave, kids wouldn't know what a postcard is, either. That said, EVery 10 year-old knows, "Tesla is cool!"
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Tipping point is a show on TV lol
Cheers Dave
If Chevy can bring back the bolt, make it profitably yet affordable they might have a chance
Everyone is too afraid to travel in these milk floats in case it takes them 2 weeks to get home!
I like EVs. I just hate the batteries. So I doubt I’ll ever buy an EV.
You do realise that ev don't cover every vehicle use ? I live remote in Australia i am also disabled i have the perfect vehicle for me . A 1996 Toyota hiace commuter 4wd diesel. There is nothing on the market that can do 1000k carry a ton legally and still be able to have a fixed bed and carry both my power chairs. That distance is between charging stations I travel the distance for medical appointments. I have never seen a ev in the district i live in btw the district is about the size of the uk
How do you explain Tesla's share prize crashing by 1/3 since the beginning of 2024 plus panic discounts in the US because their sales figures are massively behind expectations? I seem to remember you accusing legacy auto of running around like headless chickens when they did same in Europe (non of the European car makers' share prizes took anywhere near the hit Tesla took). Has the Tesla (not the EV) bubble burst now?
Btw. in our household we have 2 ev cars + an electric BMW scooter, hence, I am not an ev hater
The Tesla hype is fading because there are better cheaper EVs around.
Easy. Osborne effect. Why buy the old model now when the next model is around the corner. Also Tesla factory in China being revamped to sell new model so temporarily reduced output. Attack on electrical supply in Germany to Tesla factory by Greens (funded and setup by Russia so they attack all industry to cause as much disruption as possible). A slow down of production was announced by Tesla months ago hence the stock market dip. Much to do about nothing. Non Tesla models selling even faster as expected.
The majority of manufacturers seem to be stepping back, snd gravitating towards hybrids and phev's.
I'd guess this is because the current race to the bottom means any other than Tesla or China are unable to make a profit on each car sold.
I do think 2024 will be a tough year for sales, in particular in the UK with Expensive car tax applying to EV's (2025) and VED applying to EV next year also.
The insurance increases for EV's in particular are very real.
Same scenario really. Unless you own a performance ICE doing sub 30 mpg + & 15k annual mileage and can home charge, it's difficult to see an EV making financial sense.
Oh, and lets not forget the depreciation.
Company / Fleet BIK EV owners and salary sacrifices are possible exceptions to varying degrees.
Musk is on the right of Republican party support. An increasing number won’t buy Tesla while he is there.
BEV sales are still increasing in the UK. You can't judge the state of entire market on a single company. If that was the case, then the entire UK energy supply industry would have collapsed.
EV’s are a high cost, major industry disruptor. The impact of economies of scale, buyer preference shifts and critical mass tipping points are all subject to non-linear “butterfly effects”, making future EV uptake prediction a mugs game.
What about range anxiety for the remaining ICE vehicle drivers, having to hope their usual petrol station hasn’t gone out of business?
I need a van for my work and don't have a car so I am holding out till one day I can afford a second-hand EV van no way can I afford one new So Probably another 10 years
just hope my van can make it that long.
There are plenty in Bristol, not sure what the point of the click bait headline is about lol
All this pre registering stuff has been going on since the year dot, nothing new here.
What about dealers refusing to take Evs in part exchange, Dave? I know one.
What about the cost of a new EV battery, Dave? Who's going to buy an 8 year old Tesla?
Tipping points...there was one in 1930s Germany. How's that going?
I could go on, but I need a wee....😄
Hello mate
It depends where you live. In a low income area every journey out an EV can be seen. So 1 to 3% could provide this. Near London there are a huge number of EVs so several can be seem in every long queue of traffic. Wild guess 10% or more in such an affluent area. This will probably remain the same for a few years to come. Amersham / Chesham area seething with EVs. Chipping Norton a small number. Pick your part of the country for your own example. Low income areas are not going to change, London is not going to stop getting the lions share of all the money and resources.
Because you live in the UK and make barely a blip on the world radar about anything. Go to a country that makes a difference and your question will be relevant. Like China, the worlds biggest car market. They have now reached nearly 50% penetration and when you go to any large city you feels like you are in Tomorrowland and not Slough. Its that simple.
But, the uk is more relevant to him because he lives there and the video is about evs in the uk, so, china isn't relevant.
@@Markcain268 I hear what you say but I'm afraid that in the context of the subject matter the UK is entirely irrelevant, its not about the UK- its about the world Im afraid and I have already explained my reason
@@alexpang5054 looks like the uk is along way off from the rest of world then, it seems we don't want them in this country.
@@Markcain268 That's because the UK is infected with a criminally corrupt government, solely invested in its members, enabled by a backward facing, educationally inept electorate, conned into something against their best interests. Other than that, I agree that the relevance of the video is about the UK, China is irrelevant to the video.
@@Markcain268 Yes, the UK has a reputation for being ignorant , hence no car industry to call its own anymore. Ignore progress at your own peril
The one huge fallacy in your argument is that digital camera technology is vastly superior to film technology in every way, while lithium battery car technology is a complete failure. It’s impractical and useless for anything other than a short range daily commuter with a charging station at home. Range is minimal and charging away from home is completely impractical. The battery powered EV is only selling due to massive government subsidies.
Talking about fallacy: The MAJORITY of car journeys ARE short range! Charging infrastructure, like petrol stations for ICE vehicles in the early 20th century, will grow commensurate with EV uptake. Subsidies are meant to incentivise early adopters to buy EV’s, bringing about price parity by “economies of scale”. It’s not rocket science, is it?
Ev's are NOT here to stay,the bubble has burst.!!!!
Lolz
Keep talking your narrative while ICE car market is dying in China, Europe. America is becoming the backwaters of renewable clean energy tech. Cars are much $$$ than phones, so will take longer to shift. But oil cost must go up as reduced use dictates, 🔋 cost will keep falling while range/ charge times get better. No brainier.
yup no brainer indeed ,, utter bullshit
Leaf purchased 9 yrs ago saved me 10000 or more in fuel most free from government year old ionic 5 bad depreciation high but 10000 saved balances it out a no brainer still have leaf and the savings go on leaf does all the nipping around keeps mirage off ionic 5 in winter it stays at home as battery store in r
heating house in summer lovely fire 300 mile journeys and
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