Just did the same Power Pro workup today with 123gr Hornady out of my 18" Grendel and got the exact same result. 28.0 had sub MOA results at 100 yards and every other load just opened up. Thank you for the great video even years later.
The flyers continue to pleg Johnny's reloading bench. So the saga continues lol. Good to see a new video from you man. I think the primer switch is an improvement. Good luck with the channel.P.S. I didn't get a commercial on daily motion
i've worked up a load with this bullet using 8208xbr to 27.3gr. also shooting an 18in barrel (odinworks), non-suppressed, and can consistently do 1/2in 5-shot groups. however, mine are seated at 0.010" off the lands and not just max c.o.a.l. other than the slight pressure signs that you also saw, it's been a great shooting bullet! they're hornady brass also, and probably have 8 or 9 reloads on them - annealed a couple times. definitely getting beat up a bit!
You should try Dtube , also I'd love to see you test 6.5grendel/ 108gr Scenar their BC is .465 which is still pretty good and 108gr is closer to a normal weight for the cartridge. The trajectory should considerably flatter , basically only a few inches off zero all the way out to 400 yards.
Sierra book is overly conservative with XBR for some reason. Everything else shows max charge with a 123 SMK at 28.5gr and compressed. I found with my barrel that is exactly what it wants too.
I doubt if you monitor these older videos, but I have a 6.5 grendel bolt gun, and haven't found pressure yet, have starline brass, cci msrp, and 123 gr8 sierras. Only shot test loads up to 27.7 gr. Of 8208 xbr. Have more loaded up to 28.5. Got .53" with 27.7. 😉
Hey johnnys, bill alexander has said he recommends accuracy testing the grendel at 200 yards because it's not quite stable at 100 sometimes. Might be worth a try. A 1.5 inch group at 100 yards might also be 1.5 at 200.
nate Storey problem with that theory is that it's been disproven by every accuracy magazine and tester who has tried to test it. Nobody has been able to provide any evidence that Bullets are unstable at short distance and then miraculously become stable farther out, if they grouped bad at short distance, they grouped bad farther also.
nate Storey he is the same man who recommends loads that are 1-2gr OVER industry maximum loads! Please post me some info to confirm that an unstable bullet becomes stable the longer it flies if possible, since I've yet to find any that actually does prove it. There have been lots who have postulated that it happens, but then they can't make it work.
jimhans1 how bout this, you don't like his loads or ideas? Dont use em. Dont wanna try it? Dont. I'm just throwing an idea out there for the man since he reads em.
nate Storey I have tested the theory, out well past 200 yards, loads that grouped bad at 100 still stayed bad out well past 200, they didn't improve. The whole "they settle down at long range" theory has been debunked decades ago, it's a theory held on to by marginal shooters making marginal ammo to justify their time is all.
Thank you for another great video! Can we get back to the 55gr 223 testing? I know myself and others were excited to see the hornady 50gr v max! Thanks for all your hard work!
Hey. Off subject of this vid you should look at new western powders load manual. It has some nice data on 9mm +p loads. Is going to be starting point for my +p+ loads using shell shok for a 16" carbine ar. Not a grand manual but some nice data on all western powders. Glad to see your still producing. Shooting at you tube cal probly gonna be bad for all.
Paul Paradis for everyone with bad results there is a person with good results. Most videos I've seen have been with 18-20inch barrels which shave a good bit of velocity from what is capable. Not only that with only 1 company making 224 if your gun don't like those 4 choices and you don't reload you will have issues. Twist rates have varied from 1/8 to 1/6.5. It's a new cartridge there will be going pains but at least it's not as bad as 22nosler which is prolly gonna get discontinued in the near future
I normally bump up half a grain at a time. You do .3. Is that your general graduation or specific to smaller cases? I've not loaded alot of Grendel but by the performance of my grendel so far it's gonna put my 308 out to pasture....well just the back of the safe I'll ALWAYS have a 308
So far Twitch seems like a great hosting option as far as functionality is concerned, but there doesn’t seem to be much of an organic audience there yet for casting or reloading videos.
Lee load sheet shows 25.5 to 28.5 grains for a 123 grain bullet. I'm going to start over and work that entire range and see what happens. I also have some Varget at home, so I'll have to try that too.
KingBrc none of my guns will shoot the ELD-M bullets as good as others makers bullets, they do ok, but not as well as I would like to see out of my guns.
Are you losing velocity by using a semi auto and suppressor? I got higher velocities out of my Ruger American 6.5 Grendel and found my velocities suffered and accuracy faltered when I added a suppressor. I'm wondering if the chamber pressures when traveling through the suppressor causes accuracy issues.
Now that you've slightly fireformed this beautiful new brass... I'd like to see what the same powder charges produce in velocity, s.d., and groups with a slight bump. Thinking 8208 might be an option for my 6.5 Swede... Thanks again!
Nice video, good information. Perhaps it might be time to revisit the ss109 series. If I remember correctly you had issues with that PSA upper and never develoed great accuracy.
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I wonder how the better groups would do now with fire formed brass. Would the SDs be as good? I'm willing to bet the groups would be smaller. In any event, I was very impressed with the SDs and the Fed match primers.
MrPaco1013 I'm not talking about firing the rounds in the AR and then not resizing prior to refiring. My experience is fire forming followed by annealing, bumping the shoulder back 2 thousands and neck sizing yields much better accuracy and SDs than new brass.
It seemed that the first round of each group of Power Pro Varmint was a different POI not sure it that matters. Maybe reshoot hand cycling that powder and see if the groups tighten up.
I just did a ladder of Berger 130 gr AR Hybrid OTM with XBR and CCI primers. Very impressive groups out of my Grendel (Saturn 5R barrel). 0.5 moa group SD of 4. I was going to do a video on it but... I like your format, would like your range report on this combo. Maybe run it against Varget?
Hey man love the Grendel videos. Just put together my first Grendel with a 20in odin works barrel and can't wait to shoot it. Would you ever try some hornady 123 eld with Varget. That's going to be the first combo in mine for now just wanted to see if you would have any luck as well. Thanks
Could you please do a loading video for the lehigh 110 grain 6.5 grendel bullets i am very interested in seeing them tested and always like seeing your results. P.S keep up the good work your channel is awesome!
Ever thought of using a balance beam scale? I'd like to see you shoot this development again, but ditch the digitals. I've got an idea we'll see different results.
Another great video, thanks Johnny!! Just from my experience I have used 8208 XBR with my 18 inch Grendel and have had excellent groups with the Hornady 123gr SST. I don't have a chronograph so don't know what the velocities or SD's were but had one 5 shot group from a bench rest and bags at .58 inches at 100 yds which is the best I have ever shot. Hodgdon and the Lyman manuals showed a max load of 28.5C so I went with 28gr to be safe, CCI 400 SR primers, 2.250 C.O.L., but it did cause raised ejector marks on some of the Hornady brass just to let you know. On a side note has anyone used or have one of these chronos (Competition Electronics 538002-SSI ProChrono Digital Chronograph), any feedback would be greatly appreciated?
Hey guys just wanted to get your opinion on going from a single stage press to a progressive like the Hornady AP press. While I enjoy reloading sometimes I hate how tedious it can get. (Especially weighing powder) For me it takes about 5-6 hours for 50 rounds. I'm mostly loading rifle calabers but plan on expanding in the future. Any import would be great!
173rdUSmilitary, it depends on what you want to do with your gun. If your just out plinking lots of ammo or stocking up your battle stash, go with progressive reloader. Competition and accuracy rounds it's best to stick with the single stage. I use my Lee single stage for load work up and accuracy. Then I use Hornady A&P for bulk loading.
Searching for a good hunting bullet to reload for deer in 6.5 grendel. Saw your videos on the Berger classic but just wondering about any other suggestions. Thanks!
I think this cartridge is still better overall than 224 valkyrie. Wonder why they used 6.8 as parent for that instead of grendel? anyway, need to get back to some 300 blackout!
Awesome content! Love these 6.5 videos. The Grendel is such a great cartridge.
Just did the same Power Pro workup today with 123gr Hornady out of my 18" Grendel and got the exact same result. 28.0 had sub MOA results at 100 yards and every other load just opened up. Thank you for the great video even years later.
Great to see ya again Johnny! Thanks for another great video!
Glad to see the Grendel again!
Yay Grendel videos!
More Grendel fun!
Love the Grendel Work ups. Keep it up
8208 and 10X have always been my go to powders. Thanks for the great video. When is YOU TUBE going to shut all you guys down?
Gosh, I did enjoy that! Good groups with 8208 and good SDs with both. Looking forward to more 123 work.
Another great video! Keep wondering when you're going to use those .257 Roberts Dies! I would love to see you do a series on that caliber.
The flyers continue to pleg Johnny's reloading bench. So the saga continues lol. Good to see a new video from you man. I think the primer switch is an improvement. Good luck with the channel.P.S. I didn't get a commercial on daily motion
i've worked up a load with this bullet using 8208xbr to 27.3gr. also shooting an 18in barrel (odinworks), non-suppressed, and can consistently do 1/2in 5-shot groups. however, mine are seated at 0.010" off the lands and not just max c.o.a.l. other than the slight pressure signs that you also saw, it's been a great shooting bullet! they're hornady brass also, and probably have 8 or 9 reloads on them - annealed a couple times. definitely getting beat up a bit!
great video! waiting for the Hornady 62 grain BTHP with AA2520 and TAC video
Another good video man
You should try Dtube , also I'd love to see you test 6.5grendel/ 108gr Scenar their BC is .465 which is still pretty good and 108gr is closer to a normal weight for the cartridge. The trajectory should considerably flatter , basically only a few inches off zero all the way out to 400 yards.
I m used to watch your videos wile I reload I like the unedited ones better
Sierra book is overly conservative with XBR for some reason. Everything else shows max charge with a 123 SMK at 28.5gr and compressed. I found with my barrel that is exactly what it wants too.
I doubt if you monitor these older videos, but I have a 6.5 grendel bolt gun, and haven't found pressure yet, have starline brass, cci msrp, and 123 gr8 sierras. Only shot test loads up to 27.7 gr. Of 8208 xbr. Have more loaded up to 28.5. Got .53" with 27.7. 😉
Hey johnnys, bill alexander has said he recommends accuracy testing the grendel at 200 yards because it's not quite stable at 100 sometimes. Might be worth a try. A 1.5 inch group at 100 yards might also be 1.5 at 200.
nate Storey problem with that theory is that it's been disproven by every accuracy magazine and tester who has tried to test it. Nobody has been able to provide any evidence that Bullets are unstable at short distance and then miraculously become stable farther out, if they grouped bad at short distance, they grouped bad farther also.
jimhans1 I tested it with my grendel back when i had it and seemed to back it up. But that's just me and the guy who designed it.
nate Storey he is the same man who recommends loads that are 1-2gr OVER industry maximum loads!
Please post me some info to confirm that an unstable bullet becomes stable the longer it flies if possible, since I've yet to find any that actually does prove it. There have been lots who have postulated that it happens, but then they can't make it work.
jimhans1 how bout this, you don't like his loads or ideas? Dont use em. Dont wanna try it? Dont. I'm just throwing an idea out there for the man since he reads em.
nate Storey I have tested the theory, out well past 200 yards, loads that grouped bad at 100 still stayed bad out well past 200, they didn't improve. The whole "they settle down at long range" theory has been debunked decades ago, it's a theory held on to by marginal shooters making marginal ammo to justify their time is all.
Thank you for another great video!
Can we get back to the 55gr 223 testing? I know myself and others were excited to see the hornady 50gr v max!
Thanks for all your hard work!
Tlang I'd like to see 55 vmax and cfe223 with a 16" barrel.
Hey. Off subject of this vid you should look at new western powders load manual. It has some nice data on 9mm +p loads. Is going to be starting point for my +p+ loads using shell shok for a 16" carbine ar. Not a grand manual but some nice data on all western powders. Glad to see your still producing. Shooting at you tube cal probly gonna be bad for all.
Gel tests 120-123gr and up hunting bullets. Let's see what we can do for deer Johnny.
Grendel > Valkyrie
Rob Kilcollins For sure
For what? Hunting yea maybe but ballistically 224 still has the edge if you give it the barrel length it needs 24inch is pretty much required
Kyle Vanwinkle lol! I see people are still trying to explain away bad results with excuses.
Paul Paradis for everyone with bad results there is a person with good results. Most videos I've seen have been with 18-20inch barrels which shave a good bit of velocity from what is capable. Not only that with only 1 company making 224 if your gun don't like those 4 choices and you don't reload you will have issues. Twist rates have varied from 1/8 to 1/6.5. It's a new cartridge there will be going pains but at least it's not as bad as 22nosler which is prolly gonna get discontinued in the near future
Kyle Vanwinkle The excuses continue to flow like water just like they did with 22 nosler.
I normally bump up half a grain at a time. You do .3. Is that your general graduation or specific to smaller cases? I've not loaded alot of Grendel but by the performance of my grendel so far it's gonna put my 308 out to pasture....well just the back of the safe I'll ALWAYS have a 308
So far Twitch seems like a great hosting option as far as functionality is concerned, but there doesn’t seem to be much of an organic audience there yet for casting or reloading videos.
Loads of Bacon hey man nice to see u over here I usually see u at highboys channel
I'll looking anywhere and everywhere for free bacon handouts. The reloading videos are nice too 😁
How long is that faxon barrel?
Thanks for posting! I love my 20" grendel barrel.
*removed 8208 load comment. Need to recheck that.
Lee load sheet shows 25.5 to 28.5 grains for a 123 grain bullet. I'm going to start over and work that entire range and see what happens. I also have some Varget at home, so I'll have to try that too.
Great video, big 6.5 Grendel fan here. Wonder if you could improve those groups with Hornady 123 ELD's using the same exact load data.
KingBrc none of my guns will shoot the ELD-M bullets as good as others makers bullets, they do ok, but not as well as I would like to see out of my guns.
Utah Gun Exchange is working on building a video subscription service as well in lieu of all of the TH-cam stuff.
Are you losing velocity by using a semi auto and suppressor? I got higher velocities out of my Ruger American 6.5 Grendel and found my velocities suffered and accuracy faltered when I added a suppressor. I'm wondering if the chamber pressures when traveling through the suppressor causes accuracy issues.
Now that you've slightly fireformed this beautiful new brass... I'd like to see what the same powder charges produce in velocity, s.d., and groups with a slight bump. Thinking 8208 might be an option for my 6.5 Swede... Thanks again!
Hey Johnny I didn't get any ads on TH-cam or daily motion
I ended up with 26.0 as my best grouping load with the 8208xbr. Still haven't got the varmint to group as well as the 8202xbr.
Nice video, good information. Perhaps it might be time to revisit the ss109 series. If I remember correctly you had issues with that PSA upper and never develoed great accuracy.
I have a "24 barrel on my Grendel build. What kind of velocity would I get from the max load 8208xbr?
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Hey, how is your AR 10 build going? I’m still having pressure problems with mine. I’m waiting to see your progression.
I wonder how the better groups would do now with fire formed brass. Would the SDs be as good? I'm willing to bet the groups would be smaller. In any event, I was very impressed with the SDs and the Fed match primers.
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You can't use fire formed brass in a semi auto. That's only for bolt action rifles.
MrPaco1013 I'm not talking about firing the rounds in the AR and then not resizing prior to refiring. My experience is fire forming followed by annealing, bumping the shoulder back 2 thousands and neck sizing yields much better accuracy and SDs than new brass.
It seemed that the first round of each group of Power Pro Varmint was a different POI not sure it that matters. Maybe reshoot hand cycling that powder and see if the groups tighten up.
I’d like to see you clone the Hornady Black 123eld match. They shoot sub inch at 100 yd. I can’t get my hand loads to shoot that well.
I just did a ladder of Berger 130 gr AR Hybrid OTM with XBR and CCI primers. Very impressive groups out of my Grendel (Saturn 5R barrel). 0.5 moa group SD of 4. I was going to do a video on it but... I like your format, would like your range report on this combo. Maybe run it against Varget?
Hey man love the Grendel videos. Just put together my first Grendel with a 20in odin works barrel and can't wait to shoot it. Would you ever try some hornady 123 eld with Varget. That's going to be the first combo in mine for now just wanted to see if you would have any luck as well. Thanks
What about changing your COL to 2.250 to see if it tightens your groups up?
Could you please do a loading video for the lehigh 110 grain 6.5 grendel bullets i am very interested in seeing them tested and always like seeing your results. P.S keep up the good work your channel is awesome!
Ever thought of using a balance beam scale? I'd like to see you shoot this development again, but ditch the digitals. I've got an idea we'll see different results.
Have you ever tried forming some 6.5 Grendel from the 7.62x39? Because it’s getting harder to find 6.5 Grendel brass in Texas
No, don't do it. Just order brass from Starline on line.
Another great video, thanks Johnny!! Just from my experience I have used 8208 XBR with my 18 inch Grendel and have had excellent groups with the Hornady 123gr SST. I don't have a chronograph so don't know what the velocities or SD's were but had one 5 shot group from a bench rest and bags at .58 inches at 100 yds which is the best I have ever shot. Hodgdon and the Lyman manuals showed a max load of 28.5C so I went with 28gr to be safe, CCI 400 SR primers, 2.250 C.O.L., but it did cause raised ejector marks on some of the Hornady brass just to let you know. On a side note has anyone used or have one of these chronos (Competition Electronics 538002-SSI ProChrono Digital Chronograph), any feedback would be greatly appreciated?
What is your favorite 6.5 Grendel powder. Right now i only have H4895 which is only good for the heavier boolets. Looking to get a different powder.
Grea review.
Great video group's a little bit big. 3and4's should be the goal
I don't think I have ever seen an ad on one of your vids. Watch them on my phone. Glitch?
Have you considered doing a 123 gr sst/ cfe 223 work up?
Maybe barrel fouling affected PowerPro?
You need another good trigger. Your groups on ever load have opened up since your old triggers failed
Please do another Grendel video with power pro varmint
Have you tried 2000MR in the Grendell? Can you give me suggestions on charge wgts. Thx.
Could ejector marks be caused from overgas instead of over pressure?
Hey guys just wanted to get your opinion on going from a single stage press to a progressive like the Hornady AP press. While I enjoy reloading sometimes I hate how tedious it can get. (Especially weighing powder) For me it takes about 5-6 hours for 50 rounds. I'm mostly loading rifle calabers but plan on expanding in the future. Any import would be great!
173rdUSmilitary, it depends on what you want to do with your gun. If your just out plinking lots of ammo or stocking up your battle stash, go with progressive reloader. Competition and accuracy rounds it's best to stick with the single stage. I use my Lee single stage for load work up and accuracy. Then I use Hornady A&P for bulk loading.
Searching for a good hunting bullet to reload for deer in 6.5 grendel. Saw your videos on the Berger classic but just wondering about any other suggestions. Thanks!
Hornady 123gr SST.
Please do 129 accubond lr w/ power pro varmint and power pro mr in Grendel.
What mags does the Grendel use??
Have you looked into the 25-45 Sharps?
What happened to the brownells 6.5 Grendel barrel?
Where has JRB gone?
New Grendel video anytime soon?
Where should I start if I want to get into reload
Ar comp!
I think this cartridge is still better overall than 224 valkyrie. Wonder why they used 6.8 as parent for that instead of grendel? anyway, need to get back to some 300 blackout!
Because 22 Grendel already existed when they made 224 Valkyrie.
Johnny..are you still here bud?
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