"None of the surrounding roads were really built to handle this increase in traffic" Pretty much the story in most parts of the UK, where entire housing estates are built on a blade of grass these days and expect the ancient road infrastructure around them to cope with six car families.
It was bad enough peel getting the trafford centre built, really need to block anything else until its at least 'okay' with the current level of traffic , which it isnt. God knows how to fix it, but theres so many saturated roads around there.
So they build more housing estates to spread the cars out, which only makes the problem worse as people buy more cars because public transport continues to be unreliable and useless. People should stop having children.
You did well to find the abandoned dual carriageway unoccupied, there's normally film crews doing a soap, or caravanners dodging soap on there. The roads weren't adapted for the stadium as only a handful of people attend. The uppy/downy bridge is privately owned by Peel Holdings and they got to almost completion of the project before deciding the public sector hadn't contributed enough, so downed tools. Ransom paid the bridge was opened, but not before during build the mechanism holding it up failed and the roadway crashed to the ground. Such shenanigans.
Sorry, The Peel Group now, they own the Manchester Ship Canal, much of the land either side, so Port Salford will be theirs, and seemingly all of the bridges over the canal.
That stretch of the A57 is a nightmare for traffic especially if there's been an accident on the M60. Adding 12,000 houses and more industry is going to leave the locals living in very interesting times. Poor buggers.
@Fr. Fintan Stack They need to build 12,000 houses somewhere else, surely? Given the predicted sea level rises, I wouldn't want to live that near to water anyway.
@@markstott6689 The Manchester ship canal is a man made waterway and has a few sets of locks going down before it reaches the level,of the Mersey river at Eastham/Ellesmere Port. It’s well above sea level at this point and the water level is maintained using bywashes on the locks.
Yup, Drive that everyday, on my commute, its often a bloody nightmare, and I heard back at the beginning of the Barley Farm / Stadium road development, they are not planning any new schools, so we are getting a large housing estate on the old golf course, with no extra infrastructure, YAY! of course, it might be all BS, I heard whispers of whispers,
From what I can remember, there's also plans for the Metrolink trafford line to eventually extend all the way to port salford. I assume that's so the dock workers don't clog up the roads with too many cars.
I use this section of road regularly. That unnecessary new bend they added makes the traffic at this junction worse. They should have kept the abandoned section open instead of the bend to keep traffic flowing down towards irlam and added the extra parts coming off that.
not the only location where the A57 has been rerouted, a section just between what was the todwick crossroad and the M1 Junction 31, part of the old road still exists connected to the new section via goosecarr lane
Great as always, and thank you Jon. I have it on good authority ( well I was lazy and googled it) that the "Swing Bridge" is not a collaboration of Cupids and Adam & Eves. Apparently it's that these two 'clubs' are both coincidentally near the same area, and it is a awing bridge because it swings over the canal. Car keys away folks, not that kind of bridge 🤣🤣🤣
Really needs road open round there. Getting out of Irlam is a nightmare and god forbid an accident happen on a motorway which then makes Trafford in irlam all the way to cadishead.
Your crowning video will be the A5 and finding the original route and how it has been altered from its original road to now.Shropshire is an interesting place to start as is the A5/A38 link in the midlands.( That is very interesting for nerds like me) There is a small village called Chesterfield near Wall that the original route still exists and is now some distance from the modern A5 road.
The abandoned bit of the a57 now doubles up as an eyesore and a flytippers paradise. Add that to the traffic trying to get from Cabbagehead to the M60 every morning and the entire thing has been a complete success. Sorry, not a success, balls up, that's it.
Na'then. Just to let you know that most container ports have access to road,rail and the sea.Felixstowe,Southampton, London Gateway, Liverpool, Teesport have all three. Keep up the good work.
What about Yate in Gloucestershire where there is abandoned road that is used for TV production used by BBC including being featured on Casualty or Holby City I think. As that too is a disused dual carriageway which only goes for few hundred metres. Was thinking it that road could once again be reused. Also maybe the old part of the A57 could be removed and to be replaced with a bridleway.
I'm pretty sure that early plans showed a closure of some of the motorway slips at J11, as part of a plan to force more traffic onto the new Western Gateway and to J10. I'm pretty sure there were also plans for a new slip road leading up to J10 from just after where this new road crosses the canal, but this never came into fruition and it's just local access to the sewage works. Old habits die hard and most traffic navigates the bend and continues up to J11. It really would have made more sense to have a fork in the road, so traffic could bear left along the original dual carriageway to head up to J11 and bear right to use the new Western Gateway and head up to Trafford Park. This would have needed a second (incomplete) bridge but I'm sure could have been possible.
OH that explains that bonkers bit... I find it weird you travel along the 57, outside of any town... then deviate off that thru eccles at j11.. guess they need to link to the 62?
at first I didn't read the title properly and thought this would be about the section east of Sheff now bypassed by the Mosborough Parkway, and is of a suspiciously high standard for what's apparently a minor urban B road
@@jwalker7567 that's it - and in fairness, the upgrade and bypass were built about 30 years apart at a guess, the bypass came about because what was then a trunk road was routed through the middle of a residential area, and traffic levels were getting too high
I'll believe that Port Salford project when contractors arrive on site to build it ! The whole project relies on bringing the Manchester Ship Canal back to life traffic-wise. I suppose Peel Ports have looked at the container traffic on the Rhine as their inspiration. Well it may work on the Rhine hundreds of miles inland from Rotterdam, but this port is only a few miles from the Port of Liverpool where the containers will have to be transhipped in order to load them onto or off international container ships too large for the canal. With good road and rail links to Liverpool, why ship containers via this new proposal, it looks daft to me !
Half a mile from the abandoned section...towards Irlam...is Hulmes Ferry...a free ferry service that takes you over the ship canal to Flixton on the opposite bank. You have to ring the bell and a nice man sails you across 🚣♂️
British government thinking 👉 "All we did was build a giant rugby stadium near a motorway.....and now theres more traffic one day per week?! How is this happening!??" (theyre not really the brighest people)
If you go to the corner of Liverpool road and Argosy Drive on street view right now, you can see part of that road before it closed. It actually won’t let you follow it too far down but if you go to Argosy Drive, you can see a more recent photo where the road has been shut.
Future proof the roads? When did a council ever do that? More likely to slap a 20 mph limit on the area, so people's little rug-rats can wander off the pavements unsupervised without fear of being flattened.
Someone, can't remember who, described those lay-bys left when a road is straightened out, as an ox-bow road. I like it, and have stolen it for myself. Hopefully it won't give anyone GSCE Geography flashbacks.
I've seen that happen a lot in rural Texas. A highway gets upgraded and straightened out, leaving oxbow roads behind. Many of the little leftover oxbows remain as frontage access for farmhouses along the highway so that they won't have to turn on and off of a road with people going 70 MPH.
They found an old Roman road near the bottom of the M65 where Ikea and a bunch of other businesses where going to be built but then pulled out. It’s now just flat overturned abandoned land. Geniuses !! 😂
I mean, there is the Whitewicks who cover a bunch of stuff, Roman Roads among them, disused railway stations among them... Quite an interesting channel which I guess part satisfies your desire for this sort of content...
That abandoned section is great for running my Radio Controlled car at speed but, like someone else said, there’s often travelers on there and I’ve even seen motorcycle training taking place by a company.
Travellers has two lls unless you are a Yank. I've seen the motorbike training also. This section of the old A57 is still used by walkers and cyclists like me to cut off the Barley Farm corner.
If I had that stretch of dual carriageway I’d feel duty bound to fill it with Sunday classic motorcycle meetings, a good bun wagon, and maybe even a mobile barbers ha ha! Great stuff John 👍😁
Y'know, this would make for one of the most epic segways into a SoTM episode on the A57(M) this Sunday. If that's actually what's planned, hats off to you mate because that is genius.
The train in the graphics 1:15 / 1:18 would de-rail at the speed shown. These CGI people, too much "Call of Duty" and not enough Hornby in their lives. And another great Auto Shenanigans video. Thanks John.
Can I ask a Non-Motorway related question about this area ? When I was a kid, there used to be the docks at Salford and the Container Port/ Customs House, etc. Manchester Liners were based there. So, am I right in thinking, they closed the port,etc surrounded the area with "trendy" expensive flats, turning the old warehouses into expensive apartments, demolishing the old terraced houses, ripping out the old Salford community that lived around there and of course building Media City, etc and now 30-40 years later build a brand new port (Port Salford) to do exactly what the old one already did ?
Great video, but I have but one teensy tiny request, its not the "Manchester Shipping Canal", but simply the much simpler pronunciation of "Manchester SHIP Canal", no '-ing'. Got it, great. thank you. I love your work.
Thanks for the vid... great to see home town on a map.... it was a hellish road.. they did the up grade, was hell during, still can be hell if there is aever a problem on the M62, and of course that never happens.. so one road in and one road out.. !2,000 houses you say... yey.. Cheers again Davey P...
Remember driving along that section very often. Theres one other section you maybe interested in as well not to far away. The old A556 from the M56 to the M6. Most of it still exists today.
I still find it bizarre driving down the old A556 these days, after years of it being so unbelievably busy, it's now quiet as a grave most of the time.
That A556 I have driven along many times. Fairly sure that's the longest dual carriageway without a central reservation and as such was very scary. RTCs were common.
@@hairyairey Single carriageway with four lanes. As it has solid dual white lines down the middle it's S2+2. There has to be a physical divider (not just paint) to make it officially dual. As such, the national speed limit is 60mph, but it has to be explicitly signed as many people don't realise the distinction. It still has the S2+2 formation between the M6 and the Northwich bypass.
Used to travel on the abandoned part of this road every day travelling to and from work - regularly gridlocked! The year or so that they were doing the actual roadworks and had it down to one lane were terrible, added 30 mins most days onto what used to be a 10 minute journey… It’s also the only road in or out of Irlam from that direction, so if there’s an accident you’re stuffed!!
As someone who uses this part of the A57 frequently I didn’t know that I drive on part of what was the original A57. I remember driving past it years ago prior to them building the AJ Bell Stadium wondering what the lay-by was for, and there you go… And nothing surprises us with Peel Ports anymore. It’s worth reading up the dispute they had between Trafford and Salford councils for who would pick up the operating costs of the Salford Western Gateway lifting bridge, which got resolved… eventually. If you look further west from Irlam to the end of Cadishead, pretty much all of that section of the A57 is the new A57, with the old A57 for local traffic only. (The eastern part has been like this for 30 odd years, but is still considered new) Great video as ever John 👏
oh, that just sounds like reasonable repurposing as opposed to someone somewhere just changing their mind halfway through a project like i'd expect at this point. fairly good than.
I know I’m looking at things like thing from hindsight, but it’s always annoying to me when you spend money, especially tax payers money, to build something, only to stop using it so soon.
I drive this road regularly for work. Those bridge abutments from memory don’t look tall enough to allow a double decker under so god knows how the 67 and 100 routes are gonna manage.
In my city, Linz, they rebuilt not just one but both football stadiums, one is already finished and game days are traffic nightmares. Neither stadium has gotten any improved traffic handling let alone the tram line that was on the fancy pictures when they presented the project...
Another quirk of the A57 is nearer Lincoln, the Dunham Toll Bridge which dates back centuries and old bylaws - a massive pain in the ass when you don’t have 40p in change and forgot all about it.
Once that new bridge was finished it remained closed for a couple of months because Trafford and Salford couldn't decide who was going to maintain it. Eventually someone got fed up and just drove round the roadblock and used it anyway (the video of it is on here somewhere) and pretty soon after that it opened. Also no such thing as Manchester Shipping Canal.
gotta love your videos ....videos? isn't VHS and betamax obsolete? I would like ( just to add to your work load ) GPS coordinates of abandoned roads, as would many other #vanlifers.
Port Salford will be a smaller version of London Gateway down at Thames Haven. A lot of freight gets moved via container train now so places like this will crop up. DIRFT at Crick down the road from you Jon is another example 😉
wow with all that new infrastructure coming in a few years lets hope they have built a better road network to handle the extra traffic seems a heck of a lot of stuff coming along !
Interesting other fact, the rugby stadium wasn't the first proposal for a stadium in that location, a 60,000 seat athletic stadium would have been build there in Manchester had been successful in its bid for the 1996 Summer Olympics. An aquatic center would have been built next to it.
Actually, having looked it up it would have been in that Salford location if Manchester had won the 1992 Olympics (which Birmingham became the UK bid for) - by the 1996 bid, they'd turned their attention to Eastlands.
@@mightymartinpetrov The bid documentation on the International Olympic Committee website for the Manchester 1996 bid (MANCHESTER 1996 : THE BRITISH OLYMPIC BID Candidature file) clearly states the proposed Olympic stadium for the 1996 games was to be at Barton Cross Olympic Center, along with the Aquatic Center, Olympic Village, Media Village and Press Center and one of the arena If you believe the documentation the IOC have to be incorrect, please share your sources. The abandoned road reference in this video was even on the diagram in the official bid documentation.
Oh wow, never thought I'd see somewhere very close to my childhood home on this channel! Granted, I lived on the other (read: better) side of the Manchester Ship Canal, but my street is visible on that map. 😃
According to Google:- A83. Located in county Argyll, a stretch of old road running adjacent to the current A83 is the longest and most expensive abandoned road in the UK.
"None of the surrounding roads were really built to handle this increase in traffic"
Pretty much the story in most parts of the UK, where entire housing estates are built on a blade of grass these days and expect the ancient road infrastructure around them to cope with six car families.
It was bad enough peel getting the trafford centre built, really need to block anything else until its at least 'okay' with the current level of traffic , which it isnt. God knows how to fix it, but theres so many saturated roads around there.
So they build more housing estates to spread the cars out, which only makes the problem worse as people buy more cars because public transport continues to be unreliable and useless.
People should stop having children.
@@davefb it’s clearly an incredibly popular place to live and work for some reason…
@@philtucker1224 maybe it's pretty cheap or has good job access? fuck if I know though
@@benkai343434 it's neither of those things.
You did well to find the abandoned dual carriageway unoccupied, there's normally film crews doing a soap, or caravanners dodging soap on there.
The roads weren't adapted for the stadium as only a handful of people attend. The uppy/downy bridge is privately owned by Peel Holdings and they got to almost completion of the project before deciding the public sector hadn't contributed enough, so downed tools. Ransom paid the bridge was opened, but not before during build the mechanism holding it up failed and the roadway crashed to the ground.
Such shenanigans.
I heard the damn thing when it broke. I worked just a bit down the water in irlam.
Soap: I see what you did there.
Peel holdings? Same group as those who own Doncaster Airport and who screwed over Sheffield City Airport?
Sorry, The Peel Group now, they own the Manchester Ship Canal, much of the land either side, so Port Salford will be theirs, and seemingly all of the bridges over the canal.
Remember that video of the new bridge falling down, because they left tooling and supplied on it, when it was raised up, lol
That stretch of the A57 is a nightmare for traffic especially if there's been an accident on the M60. Adding 12,000 houses and more industry is going to leave the locals living in very interesting times. Poor buggers.
Irlam and Cadishead needs their own junction on the 62
@Fr. Fintan Stack They need to build 12,000 houses somewhere else, surely? Given the predicted sea level rises, I wouldn't want to live that near to water anyway.
@@markstott6689 The Manchester ship canal is a man made waterway and has a few sets of locks going down before it reaches the level,of the Mersey river at Eastham/Ellesmere Port. It’s well above sea level at this point and the water level is maintained using bywashes on the locks.
@tiepup Fair enough. Personally I wouldn't want to live anywhere below 80 metres above sea level. But then I worry too much 🫠
Yup, Drive that everyday, on my commute, its often a bloody nightmare, and I heard back at the beginning of the Barley Farm / Stadium road development, they are not planning any new schools, so we are getting a large housing estate on the old golf course, with no extra infrastructure, YAY! of course, it might be all BS, I heard whispers of whispers,
From what I can remember, there's also plans for the Metrolink trafford line to eventually extend all the way to port salford. I assume that's so the dock workers don't clog up the roads with too many cars.
I use this section of road regularly. That unnecessary new bend they added makes the traffic at this junction worse. They should have kept the abandoned section open instead of the bend to keep traffic flowing down towards irlam and added the extra parts coming off that.
What a mess.
But you wrote/presented it so well...that I understood it.
Cheers.
☮
Getting close to that magical 100K, mate. Soon it will be 1M! 😇
i wonder how many local residents are learning about this just now through this video...
A snippet of Shenanigans, nice.
not the only location where the A57 has been rerouted, a section just between what was the todwick crossroad and the M1 Junction 31, part of the old road still exists connected to the new section via goosecarr lane
Great as always, and thank you Jon.
I have it on good authority ( well I was lazy and googled it) that the "Swing Bridge" is not a collaboration of Cupids and Adam & Eves. Apparently it's that these two 'clubs' are both coincidentally near the same area, and it is a awing bridge because it swings over the canal.
Car keys away folks, not that kind of bridge 🤣🤣🤣
This looks like a plan to move freight across the hills to Leeds, Sheffield. Canals are not practical there obviously.
I think I used to drive along that to get to Awesome GTi... lovely.
Really needs road open round there. Getting out of Irlam is a nightmare and god forbid an accident happen on a motorway which then makes Trafford in irlam all the way to cadishead.
First port with Sea, Road and Rail? I think Felixstowe and Immingham would beg to differ! Maybe you meant inland port?
Thia is the best video I've ever seen about anything
The rugby stadium was for Salford City Reds/Red Devils Rugby League Football Club.
Your crowning video will be the A5 and finding the original route and how it has been altered from its original road to now.Shropshire is an interesting place to start as is the A5/A38 link in the midlands.( That is very interesting for nerds like me) There is a small village called Chesterfield near Wall that the original route still exists and is now some distance from the modern A5 road.
Awesome info…. Your videos, cool they are! 😎
Keep the videos going John, Glad you didn't go down the road of which motorways did Charles like this week however.
I'd recognise the Gran Turismo 2 music anywhere. Good shout.
Wow port salford looks promising on the job front, im always into logistics driving
The abandoned bit of the a57 now doubles up as an eyesore and a flytippers paradise. Add that to the traffic trying to get from Cabbagehead to the M60 every morning and the entire thing has been a complete success. Sorry, not a success, balls up, that's it.
Na'then. Just to let you know that most container ports have access to road,rail and the sea.Felixstowe,Southampton, London Gateway, Liverpool, Teesport have all three. Keep up the good work.
What about Yate in Gloucestershire where there is abandoned road that is used for TV production used by BBC including being featured on Casualty or Holby City I think.
As that too is a disused dual carriageway which only goes for few hundred metres. Was thinking it that road could once again be reused. Also maybe the old part of the A57 could be removed and to be replaced with a bridleway.
Tom Scott's video on that road would be hard to beat.
True.
Dunno who that Tom Scott bloke is, here's a much better video... ;-) th-cam.com/video/GaYeQJjJylo/w-d-xo.html
👍😂
I'm pretty sure that early plans showed a closure of some of the motorway slips at J11, as part of a plan to force more traffic onto the new Western Gateway and to J10. I'm pretty sure there were also plans for a new slip road leading up to J10 from just after where this new road crosses the canal, but this never came into fruition and it's just local access to the sewage works. Old habits die hard and most traffic navigates the bend and continues up to J11. It really would have made more sense to have a fork in the road, so traffic could bear left along the original dual carriageway to head up to J11 and bear right to use the new Western Gateway and head up to Trafford Park. This would have needed a second (incomplete) bridge but I'm sure could have been possible.
OH that explains that bonkers bit... I find it weird you travel along the 57, outside of any town... then deviate off that thru eccles at j11..
guess they need to link to the 62?
Really interesting THANKS
at first I didn't read the title properly and thought this would be about the section east of Sheff now bypassed by the Mosborough Parkway, and is of a suspiciously high standard for what's apparently a minor urban B road
@@jwalker7567 that's it - and in fairness, the upgrade and bypass were built about 30 years apart
at a guess, the bypass came about because what was then a trunk road was routed through the middle of a residential area, and traffic levels were getting too high
I'll believe that Port Salford project when contractors arrive on site to build it ! The whole project relies on bringing the Manchester Ship Canal back to life traffic-wise. I suppose Peel Ports have looked at the container traffic on the Rhine as their inspiration. Well it may work on the Rhine hundreds of miles inland from Rotterdam, but this port is only a few miles from the Port of Liverpool where the containers will have to be transhipped in order to load them onto or off international container ships too large for the canal. With good road and rail links to Liverpool, why ship containers via this new proposal, it looks daft to me !
Half a mile from the abandoned section...towards Irlam...is Hulmes Ferry...a free ferry service that takes you over the ship canal to Flixton on the opposite bank. You have to ring the bell and a nice man sails you across 🚣♂️
1:13, I hope the trains don't take the curve that fast in real life.😳
British government thinking 👉 "All we did was build a giant rugby stadium near a motorway.....and now theres more traffic one day per week?! How is this happening!??" (theyre not really the brighest people)
My old daily commute.
How do Mr Shenanigan, have you bought a Focus RS as I believe I saw one under J6 M6 in part 1 of secrets of the motorway M6. Enjoy your coffee Sir!
Thanks mate... not me no.. still rocking the Saab for daily use.
how the hell did i get diverted here\
That's a cool story... and a right mess that got left behind. Gotta love the UK government's mishmash.
Eccles ; where the cakes come from !
If only they fixed this road
I just like how it sounds like Jim Carrey's Way 😎
Eccles - should kept making cakes.
Eccles cakes are made down the road in Gorton now.
Please stop saying “shipping canal” it’s the Manchester Ship Canal.
Short and sweet ,just like the M54 😂
Looks like the only stretch of road in Britain in a good state of repair
Don't worry, the road crews will so be there to put it in the correct level of dis-repair.
a major gridlock coming to your area soon
Love your vids, will you do any more driving content? It would be cool to see you with Adam C on youtube or anyone with modified cars again
I'd love to but it takes weeks of planning and vast amounts of budget/time, not the easiest thing to do .
There is an abandonded bit of duel carrage way near Rockingham motorspeed way too, cant remember the exact road number tho.
th-cam.com/video/Lrcckdw3c68/w-d-xo.html That one?
@@AutoShenanigans no another one in the same place 😂😂 yes mate, that one. Ill give that a watch.
I’ve flown a helicopter at that airport 🚁
If you go to the corner of Liverpool road and Argosy Drive on street view right now, you can see part of that road before it closed.
It actually won’t let you follow it too far down but if you go to Argosy Drive, you can see a more recent photo where the road has been shut.
dont go to argosy drive the traffic is bad enough round here
Did you know Top Gear use this as a test track? They just drive to one end and back and just loop it to make it look really far.
15 minutes city ?😀
Future proof the roads? When did a council ever do that? More likely to slap a 20 mph limit on the area, so people's little rug-rats can wander off the pavements unsupervised without fear of being flattened.
Why do I suddenly get the urge to buy a Ford Taurus, modify it including race specifications and then race it around a Super Speedway?
I hope you're not thinking the M25
Someone, can't remember who, described those lay-bys left when a road is straightened out, as an ox-bow road. I like it, and have stolen it for myself. Hopefully it won't give anyone GSCE Geography flashbacks.
I've heard that term used as well. It's pretty fitting.
Or drive them round the bend.
I've seen that happen a lot in rural Texas. A highway gets upgraded and straightened out, leaving oxbow roads behind. Many of the little leftover oxbows remain as frontage access for farmhouses along the highway so that they won't have to turn on and off of a road with people going 70 MPH.
The A1 has quite a few of them, made when the road was upgraded over the years. A lot are now lay-bys
I'd love to see a series covering secrets of the Roman roads. Just saying. Love your videos Jon 👍
They found an old Roman road near the bottom of the M65 where Ikea and a bunch of other businesses where going to be built but then pulled out. It’s now just flat overturned abandoned land. Geniuses !! 😂
Here, here - call it secrets of the long, old roads with no bends in them...
Wait for the series on B roads. Would be interesting how they make honey from their surroundings.
I mean, there is the Whitewicks who cover a bunch of stuff, Roman Roads among them, disused railway stations among them... Quite an interesting channel which I guess part satisfies your desire for this sort of content...
That new bridge over the canal actually collapsed half way through building so took years longer to open than it should have done
That abandoned section is great for running my Radio Controlled car at speed but, like someone else said, there’s often travelers on there and I’ve even seen motorcycle training taking place by a company.
Travellers has two lls unless you are a Yank. I've seen the motorbike training also. This section of the old A57 is still used by walkers and cyclists like me to cut off the Barley Farm corner.
If I had that stretch of dual carriageway I’d feel duty bound to fill it with Sunday classic motorcycle meetings, a good bun wagon, and maybe even a mobile barbers ha ha! Great stuff John 👍😁
they do all that at barton airport tho
Y'know, this would make for one of the most epic segways into a SoTM episode on the A57(M) this Sunday. If that's actually what's planned, hats off to you mate because that is genius.
such a video would be nicely timed as the A57(M) turns 56 on Friday
@@QuantumPulsar or wait a year
That would involve some clever planning and extensive knowledge... I lack both of these things.
The train in the graphics 1:15 / 1:18 would de-rail at the speed shown. These CGI people, too much "Call of Duty" and not enough Hornby in their lives.
And another great Auto Shenanigans video. Thanks John.
I thought maybe it was a sped-up CGI, but then the cars didn't look like they were doing 200mph.
What do you expect from the poor benight'ed generations who have missed out on physical things.
A bird in hand is worth two in the [tablet]!
It's sped up footage.
Can I ask a Non-Motorway related question about this area ?
When I was a kid, there used to be the docks at Salford and the Container Port/ Customs House, etc. Manchester Liners were based there. So, am I right in thinking, they closed the port,etc surrounded the area with "trendy" expensive flats, turning the old warehouses into expensive apartments, demolishing the old terraced houses, ripping out the old Salford community that lived around there and of course building Media City, etc and now 30-40 years later build a brand new port (Port Salford) to do exactly what the old one already did ?
1st to offer sea road and rail connections?? Think Felixstowe can already lay claim to all 3. 😂
Another brilliant video though, ty
Wanted to see more footage of the abandoned duel carriageway....thanks for the groovy vids...just a minor gripe🙂
Great video, but I have but one teensy tiny request, its not the "Manchester Shipping Canal", but simply the much simpler pronunciation of "Manchester SHIP Canal", no '-ing'. Got it, great. thank you. I love your work.
Another good pre-bed watch for me 👍🏻
Sad to end with a statement about 12,000 new houses being built. 😮
12,000!
Really??! 🤷🏻♀️
Thanks for the vid... great to see home town on a map.... it was a hellish road.. they did the up grade, was hell during, still can be hell if there is aever a problem on the M62, and of course that never happens.. so one road in and one road out.. !2,000 houses you say... yey.. Cheers again
Davey P...
Port Salford. Sounds interesting. Won't happen though 😔
Remember driving along that section very often. Theres one other section you maybe interested in as well not to far away. The old A556 from the M56 to the M6. Most of it still exists today.
I still find it bizarre driving down the old A556 these days, after years of it being so unbelievably busy, it's now quiet as a grave most of the time.
@@swampthing20 your not wrong. Its steeped in history thats now pretty much all gone but most of the Road obviously still exists.
That A556 I have driven along many times. Fairly sure that's the longest dual carriageway without a central reservation and as such was very scary. RTCs were common.
@@hairyairey part of it between the M6 and just before Northwich is still like that today. Its 60mph. It can be scary on that section still.
@@hairyairey Single carriageway with four lanes. As it has solid dual white lines down the middle it's S2+2. There has to be a physical divider (not just paint) to make it officially dual. As such, the national speed limit is 60mph, but it has to be explicitly signed as many people don't realise the distinction. It still has the S2+2 formation between the M6 and the Northwich bypass.
Used to travel on the abandoned part of this road every day travelling to and from work - regularly gridlocked! The year or so that they were doing the actual roadworks and had it down to one lane were terrible, added 30 mins most days onto what used to be a 10 minute journey… It’s also the only road in or out of Irlam from that direction, so if there’s an accident you’re stuffed!!
As someone who uses this part of the A57 frequently I didn’t know that I drive on part of what was the original A57. I remember driving past it years ago prior to them building the AJ Bell Stadium wondering what the lay-by was for, and there you go…
And nothing surprises us with Peel Ports anymore. It’s worth reading up the dispute they had between Trafford and Salford councils for who would pick up the operating costs of the Salford Western Gateway lifting bridge, which got resolved… eventually.
If you look further west from Irlam to the end of Cadishead, pretty much all of that section of the A57 is the new A57, with the old A57 for local traffic only. (The eastern part has been like this for 30 odd years, but is still considered new)
Great video as ever John 👏
30 odd years old is still pretty new in Cadishead.
oh,
that just sounds like reasonable repurposing as opposed to someone somewhere just changing their mind halfway through a project like i'd expect at this point.
fairly good than.
I know I’m looking at things like thing from hindsight, but it’s always annoying to me when you spend money, especially tax payers money, to build something, only to stop using it so soon.
I drive this road regularly for work. Those bridge abutments from memory don’t look tall enough to allow a double decker under so god knows how the 67 and 100 routes are gonna manage.
In my city, Linz, they rebuilt not just one but both football stadiums, one is already finished and game days are traffic nightmares. Neither stadium has gotten any improved traffic handling let alone the tram line that was on the fancy pictures when they presented the project...
One intresting fact is that new bridge on new bypass road was collapsing on first test and because that opening on that road was deleyed.
Are they upgrading the airport as well. Because satellite photos show it to be grass runways, pretty useless for modern cargo planes....
Alan wants the A47 Norwich Bypass. That's 10 and counting. Alan
Another little bit of sunshine in our lives. Much appreciated.
Another quirk of the A57 is nearer Lincoln, the Dunham Toll Bridge which dates back centuries and old bylaws - a massive pain in the ass when you don’t have 40p in change and forgot all about it.
Once that new bridge was finished it remained closed for a couple of months because Trafford and Salford couldn't decide who was going to maintain it. Eventually someone got fed up and just drove round the roadblock and used it anyway (the video of it is on here somewhere) and pretty soon after that it opened. Also no such thing as Manchester Shipping Canal.
I’m getting attatched to “shipping canal” actually… he is a one isn’t he ?
Shame, as that bit of abandoned road looks to be in an excellent condition. If only our connected roads and motorways were as good!
That bit of dual carriageway must be fun to bomb up and down on with a bike!
12,000 houses!!!!
Blimy that’s a lot of cars coming into the area.
gotta love your videos ....videos? isn't VHS and betamax obsolete?
I would like ( just to add to your work load ) GPS coordinates of abandoned roads, as would many other #vanlifers.
What's actually going on with the rail link? Are they building it or what..
So they built a stadium and didn’t foresee increased traffic!
Port Salford will be a smaller version of London Gateway down at Thames Haven. A lot of freight gets moved via container train now so places like this will crop up. DIRFT at Crick down the road from you Jon is another example 😉
I was thinking that; I can think of several ports with road, rails and sea connections!
wow with all that new infrastructure coming in a few years lets hope they have built a better road network to handle the extra traffic seems a heck of a lot of stuff coming along !
It's going to get busy in that part of the world for sure!
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Did I just watch a 15 minute video in less than 3? 🙂
Genuinely all news to me, excellent work our kid
Interesting other fact, the rugby stadium wasn't the first proposal for a stadium in that location, a 60,000 seat athletic stadium would have been build there in Manchester had been successful in its bid for the 1996 Summer Olympics. An aquatic center would have been built next to it.
Is that right? Would it not have been where the Etihad Stadium is now? Or would that have just been if Manchester had won the 2000 Olympics?
Actually, having looked it up it would have been in that Salford location if Manchester had won the 1992 Olympics (which Birmingham became the UK bid for) - by the 1996 bid, they'd turned their attention to Eastlands.
@@mightymartinpetrov The bid documentation on the International Olympic Committee website for the Manchester 1996 bid (MANCHESTER 1996 : THE BRITISH OLYMPIC BID Candidature file) clearly states the proposed Olympic stadium for the 1996 games was to be at Barton Cross Olympic Center, along with the Aquatic Center, Olympic Village, Media Village and Press Center and one of the arena
If you believe the documentation the IOC have to be incorrect, please share your sources.
The abandoned road reference in this video was even on the diagram in the official bid documentation.
I don’t know much about this road. I do now though. Cheers Jon,
Knowledge is power 💪🏼
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Can you do the a15 next please
Oh wow, never thought I'd see somewhere very close to my childhood home on this channel! Granted, I lived on the other (read: better) side of the Manchester Ship Canal, but my street is visible on that map. 😃
Having lived on Peel Green for several years in the 90s the option to avoid it is a welcome one.
A57 is a pretty nice road to drive when you're not stuck behind a load of trucks
Great video John, amazing thanks 👌😀👍
Love to see videos about abandoned roads. Anyone have any idea which is the longest stretch of abandoned road?
According to Google:- A83. Located in county Argyll, a stretch of old road running adjacent to the current A83 is the longest and most expensive abandoned road in the UK.