I surprise my opponent with a staggering amount of 1s and 2s out of nowhere on occasion. One might think I'd easily get the kill or overkill, but psych! You're fine!
Devilishly clever plan there. Although I think it's easier with ork shooting, you can roll all the 3s and 4s you like there and still achieve your goal of accomplishing nothing. :)
Auspex built such a reputation for a reliable, factual, matter-of-fact delivery that whenever he sneaks a joke in there, it knocks you on your ass, even if it's quite a mild one.
I've found the most important thing to do is: stick to your plan. Either you go for maximising your damage & minimizing what your opponent can return to you OR you prioritize objectives and target in a way to starve your opponent of victory points. First can allow you 2-3 completely free turns of reign over the board, second can easily end up with you getting table turn 3ish but having a huge points lead and your opponents army mostly undamaged with only their fast scoring units dead and therefore unable to catch up with your lead. Whats the important part? DONT MIX AND CHANGE YOUR MIND HALFWAY TROUGH A GAME. That would lead you both tabled and your opponent with easy scoring potential...
I saw a Orks vs Blood Angels game. The Orks prioritized objectives while the Blood Angels prioritized damage. Orks went first and took most of the boarded. Forced the Blood Angels to deep strike and deploy reinforcement in their deployment zone. When the game ended, all that was left was the Orks warlord, a single model, while the Blood Angels only suffered 30% lost. But in the end the Orks won by having more victory points. It was still a close match as each one did what you said and stuck to their plan.
E. Lasker, a great chess champion, said "If you see a good move, look for a better one." Evaluate all your options before picking targets and don't forget to prioritize the mission.
I had one guy who used to show up in our store tourneys (twenty-odd years ago now) that was really taking that bonus tip to heart by using some "special" dice with sixes instead of ones on them. Mix about 8 or 10 of them into your average brick of 36 and it takes a while to notice the skew since he'd still have some ones showing and you couldn't see the difference when the dice were laying flat. Had a fun time banning him for life when he did finally get caught. I hear he's running his own store in the next state over these days, or at least was before COVID..
@@Handlingthesenuts. It was 20-odd years ago. We caught him at it in his third store tournament under 3rd edition, and he'd been a casual player under 2nd for years. No proof he was doing it earlier, but no reason to doubt it either and the whole group voted to demand he be kicked out for life. The actual owner of the shop was so pissed off with him for tainting her nice new tourney program (which was drawing a lot of people) she wouldn't even let him shop there any more. Not exactly a major loss of profits, but rare for indie store owners to do that sort of thing IME.. Some folks just go crazy when there's even a small prize on the line. Or maybe he was always a cheat even in casual. We did used to joke about his hot dice.
@@Lomhow I'm told it was a run-down closet with no gaming space that he opened mostly for to get discounts, but I've never been there. It may be gone now - I went to look up the blog he was using as a store page and it's been taken down.
For space marines (especially against other space marines), I've found Storm of Fire WT quite efficient. Since AoC is on the board, bringing a stupid amount of bolters and letting them live out full potential with this buff usually has a good chance to hit the armour cap, or just simply degrade the enemy's saves just enough to hit those infantry units.
but it doesnt stack with doctrines so youll still have the same ap value in turns 2-3 as you will in turns 1,4,5. its a pointless WLT outside of maybe buffing a melta gun in turn 1 or something.
@@fredconney2896 I'm not so sure. I think if you pull an Imperial Fist and bring mass bolters you could easily scratch off more than your opponent would be comfortable with. You're right in thinking it's not very efficient or in the meta. But so far I haven't found any FAQs or mentions that it doesn't stack with Doctrines. At least GW's 40k app doesn't say.
@@Lomhow ive been playing imperial fists for a decade now. im one of the top imperial fist players in the official discord with one of the highest imperial fists scores in this current season. im not saying any of that to BS you. just that this idea has been tried by those of us that play the army and it is underwhelming as hell. the best WLT we have is Hand of Dorn, for obvious reason, followed by indomitable. as far as not stacking with doctrines, you wont need any faq's or apps simply open your codex and read the rules for battle doctrines- "this cannot stack with other AP modifier effects." we had a guy in the discord thinking he could do exactly whats being discussed here because it would make our bolt guns fairly decent in mass. but we had to inform him that it doesnt work that way.
@@fredconney2896 Crap... you're right, just looked it up. This is ridiculous, making the idea of this WLT utterly obsolete. Adding AoC to the mix, space marine on space marine gameplay pretty much sucks.
Make your opponent use up stratagems before your big model shoots or attacks. They can only use it once per phase and fishing out their CP and good stratagems early gives tire bigger guns an opportunity to shine.
Sub tip to bonus tip 6: if you find it difficult to reliably roll 6’s on a regular basis, then play armies that hit on 2’s to maximize your chances. Armies like Custodes, stationary Dark Angels, and now Black Legion to the closest enemy unit are great places to start.
I tried the last tip and I felt it was going well. I shot 9 mining laser shots, hit 8 of them and wounded with 7 of them. But the opponent saved 6 of the 7 on a 5+ invo so nothing died. Is there a way to limit the opponent from using the same strategy off rolling sixes?
If you can actually make that one work reliably you should give up on 40K altogether and go to Vegas. Just make your killing fast and get out of town before the legbreakers come for you.
This video is amazing for someone trying to learn to play the game, it's good to get an insight into how to think about different phases, would love to see more like this for the other phases.
One of my tips is to shoot based on priority and reasonable target. If my opponent has something huge that I can deal with, I'll use my important guns there first. I want to know if I can delete it or not and if I don't, I want to have my other options available as backup. The second bit is I like to get my less important or less options out of the way. If have a bunch of bolter quality weapons, I won't save them, I'll just unload them into their immediate threat. They can't really shoot up and it helps me reduce the amount of things I need to consider to focus on how to divide my next round of shots. Hopefully that makes sense
Bonus Bonus tip though: If you have stuff that happens on nat6 to hit or wound, and you can reroll them wether they failed or not, it can sometimes be worthwhile to risk rerolling already passed rolls to fish for those sixes. Anything that has Volkite in its name is typically such a binary weapon, that's either a wet fart on anything but nat sixes in wound, but IF you get those sixes, that's a deep fried turd high pressure delivery mechanism letting your opponent drown in mortals.
Lets not forget a few other factors on die rolls: 1) Dice size/weight 2) Height/speed they are tossed at 3) Die edge sharpness 4) Amount of time spent shaking them your hand 5) What they land on or hit before stopping While the "Law of Averages", or whatever the real Science term is, says those factors should not matter in the long run it can increase or lower your chances that your current die roll might have more high/low numbers face up (IE: small/light dice roll for longer if thrown with the same force you would for heavier/large dice, smaller dice are also less slowed by air density). Dice boxes or a rule like found in Casinos (must bounce off the back wall) will further randomize the chances allowing for a more "Balanced" result. Dice edge only factors while rolling as a pointed edge will stop a die sooner then a smoothed one, something that can be countered if thrown harder. Soft or Hard rolling surface will also factor how much momentum is lost during each bounce with soft surfaces taking away more. Dice weight also affect how fast it will lose momentum on each bounce, with metal die losing the most. All the above factors are to hard for an average organic meat-bag... I mean, human to accurately control with just their hands & it's low predicable nature when adding in extra "Variables" (like emotional state, magic/spiritual curses, air quality, local gravity, Reality laws & chance of outside interference) substantially adds to its random outcome. Note: This long joke post it to say "Don't think to hard about it & just roll the damn dice!"
I learnt to be careful of the order in which I chose units to shoot at the last tournament I attended. I had a retributor and Dominion squad with two priority targets; my opponent's Paragon warsuits and Celestian sacrasants. I had CP for both Blessed bolts and Holy trinity (I run Multi melta/heavy flamer retributors). Wanting to ensure the paragons, which were worth bring it down VP, died, I Started with the Dominions but only killed 1 between 2+ Svs and - 1 Damage. The Retributors, with holy trinity active, dealt enough damage to have killed all 3. the sacrasants tagged and killed both my units in the following turn. Had I shot with Retributors first, I would have killed the paragons (or at least severely weakened them) and allowed the Dominions to either split fire between the paragons and Sacrasants or just target the sacrasants, hopefully bypassing their invl Sv with Blessed bolts and at the very least, weakening them. Definitely a lesson learnt.
There is one huge reason not to do that in many cases. If you get one free reroll (salamanders or leviathan tyranids) or you need a shot to get through (a melta shot or something) then you want to just fire the important weapon first. Then you know if you need to reroll or not. If you end up not needing to you can use a reroll on the smaller weapon and potentially get more damage. Against Marks of Tzeentch definitely shoot the jank first to pop the bubble for the rest of your army
@@evader110 it's not bad weapons first, just unpredictable weapons. Then you can clean up with the more reliable stuff. If they have a reroll, the weapon is far less unpredictable and so probably wouldn't be in this category.
@@Raygun9000 I guess I was more referring to multigun units in this instance. Unpredictable also include jank bc low strength is functionally the same as high BS. I think of unpredictable in terms of what has the lowest probability to do damage.
I think it’s always important to generalize your fire power across your army. Maybe dedicate a specific unit specialized in a certain type of armament. The Gladiator tank is the most blatant example I can think of. Just remember to deploy and move the unit accordingly.
Here's how to roll more 6s. This is not superstition, this is engineering. Fair dice do not exist. Every dice is a weighted dice to some degree whether unintentionally by manufacturing/design error or intentional cheating. Casino dice come closest to fair dice, but they're still biased, expensive as hell and likely to pick up a bias through use. In an ideal case, you would repeatedly roll the dice, track each individual dice and count how often a particular result comes up. But this is not feasible. So some heuristics might work well. For example, if a dice rolls low, it it more likely to roll low again. I have a small discard pile for dice that roll 1s twice in a row, a dice biased to 1s is more likely to roll consecutive 1s than a dice biased towards other values, by definition. Sure it's not going to be much greater than 1/6 in time, but I got hundreds of d6s and a few losses to improve my dice pool is acceptable. I play Astra Militarum by the way, so that explains why I think owning hundreds of dice is a good idea and losses are acceptable.
This was a brilliant post - a very well-rendered way of sharing a practice that plenty of intelligent and analytical people have adopted. Onto some dubiousness ... I have "discarded" a particular manner of throwing the dice. Restricted to three or fewer dice, this certain, "bob", at the shoulder was noted to to yield an inordinate amount of ones. So it's not even like I ever consciously stopped doing it - it's more like an insurmountable antipathy operating on an instinctual level prevents me from performing it, _unless_ it's something like a morale test where I have to intervene consciously and avoid doing it to be fair.
Nice breakdown, might make a short vid discussing this if I get chance. A lot of people seem to do this out of superstition, but kind of interesting that it's at least theoretically a way of manipulating averages of dice rolls. I think I might split people a bit as to whether or not that's a good thing though!
How are wounds assigned? With Auspex's example with the Raptors and helverin, firing the stubber at them wouldn't do much if your opponent assigned the wound from a heavy stubber to an unwounded model, wouldn't it?
So I am currently building an Ultramarine army and I select my unit mainly with the rule of cool. But I am lacking of something to kill elites/Heavy Support with invuls. I Have some Hellblasters but thats it. Are there some good unit against elites without meltas and preferable melee (cause Ultramarines seem like a range chapter)?
Eliminators 100% if your anti melta. Tho eradicators are very cool so dont know why you wouldn't run them. But pure math hammer Eliminators do a hell of a job for their points againest Elites and armour
Ten man brick of thunderhammer stormshield terminators. They can walk straight up the board and kill practically anything while barely taking a scratch themselves. Will cost an arm and a leg in points, and the models are never cheap but if you want Killy units those are your boys.
One thing that you didn’t mention is to stop taking wounds. If your opponent is dishing out more wounds than you, then simply stop taking them. The more wounds you take, the less guns you have shooting back at the enemy!
I feel the longer 9th ed goes on, the less favourable shooting gets overall, not saying it can't or never works, but the skew definitely is going towards melee being superior, looking at what factions top, or what traits people go for e.g. whirlwind of rage, seems to support it, which sucks for mostly shooting armies, Tau, Guard (tho codex could help I guess) and on some level Admech
There are obvious things - command points, stratagems and re-rolls from auras, sure. BUT, the kind of it all is target priority. As already stated in the video - it is often best to start with units that have the most limited target choices: - limited line of sight? Might just as well fire up first, before enemy removes casualties in such a way you won't be able to any longer. - only able to fire at super buffed targets - no other way, so may just as well - sub-optimal target - if nothing better is in your crosshair, why not? Then comes choosing the right weapons for the job and right target: - before using your small guys, consider if barrage weapon won't be able to do more damage first - reap the benefits of it - there is no point in firing smaller arms at the enemy squad if you can get full benefit of barrage first. This may make the difference between wiping out the squad and leaving some behind - just mind enemy casualty removal. - don't overkill if you can help it - don't fire your D2 weapon on on 1W models if you have option of firing it against something with 2W. Finish off wounded targets with some dinky weapon before bringing up the bigger guns. - Don't underkill - this is a lesser issue - I'd argue that it is better to underkill than overkill - especially against squads, or if enemy can't bring the vehicle/monster to full capacity when bracketed... Which brings me to my next point. - Don't be afraid to split-fire - it is often tempting to hose the enemy with all the guns on your Leman Russ... But consider that bringing down the number of guns firing back at you is oftentimes better than reducing the number of squads. Consider the scenario when you have 2 enemy squads. You can either wipe out one completely with decent reliability, or heavily wound 2 squads. Assuming these are both squads of 10. Killing off total of 12-14 models split between two squads is overall better than wiping out full squad... unless they have special weapons that can do a number on you and must be eliminated no matter what. This also has psychological effect - some players may under estimate the capabilities of weakened squads, which may force them to change plans. - be wary of "distraction carnifex" - I've seen it many times - that big scary knight, or demon primarch or Avatar or well... a carnifex... Army focuses all fire on it, with one final lasgun shot luckily taking the last wound of the enemy super tough unit. Hurrray... Next turn remaining of enemy army marches unopposed to objectives, kills exposed units etc. - all because the enemy got distracted by big scary thing. - speaking of heavily defended unit - avoid firing at unit that your foe buffed like crazy if you can avoid it - they want you to waste your shots on it... Unless this one unit is of absolutely critical priority, pick another target. And if you must fire at something with ridiculous saves - high saves are oftentimes best dealt with by multishot weapons - if enemy is covered by tons of saves... drown them with fire - single shot weapons are not exactly optimal here.
Would love for one to clear this up. If the enemy 10 man strong unit is behind industrial cover and only 3 are visable to me i can only kill these 3 no matter if i shoot 40 rounds with Gauss Flayers on them? And do the Warriors in question all have to have line of sight too? Meaning if only 5 of my Warriors poke out of cover they can shoot the 10 rounds onto 3 enemies?
As far as I understand, if only 3 models are visible, you can kill more than that as long as it is one volley. When it comes to who can shoot, a model can shoot if it has los, so you can poke half a unit out from behind cover to fire, but only those models can fire.
@@AFKay42 Alright thanks! But with melee its different right? If 1 models gets within range of mine they can all surround me due to the "Pile in" rule or whatever its called.
I surprise my opponent with a staggering amount of 1s and 2s out of nowhere on occasion. One might think I'd easily get the kill or overkill, but psych! You're fine!
Exactly. Never let them know what you're going to do next. It's the ultimate psychological warefare!
Big fan of rolling inordinates amounts of 1s and 2s myself.
To achieve the mythical six one must first slog through the trenches of hundreds of ones
Devilishly clever plan there. Although I think it's easier with ork shooting, you can roll all the 3s and 4s you like there and still achieve your goal of accomplishing nothing. :)
my buddy rolled 20 dice against my apothecary, he rolled 19 1s and 2s, I saved the wound roll he did get through.... it was devastating
Auspex built such a reputation for a reliable, factual, matter-of-fact delivery that whenever he sneaks a joke in there, it knocks you on your ass, even if it's quite a mild one.
I learned from a number of opponents that if you roll your dice where I can't see them, you'll magically get 6s every time
Indeed. Or at least a suspicious lack of 1s and 2s...
I hope that's just when they're rolling for leadership tests, else that them there's some shenanigans I'd very publicly discuss
didn't know "that girl" existed
He's absolutely right. Not electing to roll more 6s is precisely the kind of self-sabotaging pattern therapy told me to get myself out of.
I've found the most important thing to do is: stick to your plan.
Either you go for maximising your damage & minimizing what your opponent can return to you OR you prioritize objectives and target in a way to starve your opponent of victory points.
First can allow you 2-3 completely free turns of reign over the board, second can easily end up with you getting table turn 3ish but having a huge points lead and your opponents army mostly undamaged with only their fast scoring units dead and therefore unable to catch up with your lead.
Whats the important part?
DONT MIX AND CHANGE YOUR MIND HALFWAY TROUGH A GAME.
That would lead you both tabled and your opponent with easy scoring potential...
Unless you play necrons. You get your secondaries no matter what. lol
I saw a Orks vs Blood Angels game. The Orks prioritized objectives while the Blood Angels prioritized damage. Orks went first and took most of the boarded. Forced the Blood Angels to deep strike and deploy reinforcement in their deployment zone. When the game ended, all that was left was the Orks warlord, a single model, while the Blood Angels only suffered 30% lost. But in the end the Orks won by having more victory points.
It was still a close match as each one did what you said and stuck to their plan.
“Just roll more sixes.” *slaps hand onto forehead* My goodness, what an idea, why didn’t I think of that.
The greatest 40k strat...
Just roll better
Gets them loaded dice. Just make sure you don't use you shooting dice for your leadership dice.
Why didn’t I think of that?
E. Lasker, a great chess champion, said "If you see a good move, look for a better one." Evaluate all your options before picking targets and don't forget to prioritize the mission.
I had one guy who used to show up in our store tourneys (twenty-odd years ago now) that was really taking that bonus tip to heart by using some "special" dice with sixes instead of ones on them. Mix about 8 or 10 of them into your average brick of 36 and it takes a while to notice the skew since he'd still have some ones showing and you couldn't see the difference when the dice were laying flat.
Had a fun time banning him for life when he did finally get caught. I hear he's running his own store in the next state over these days, or at least was before COVID..
some people
The fact he did it for 20+ years is crazy
Dayum a guy like that RUNS A STORE is kinda sad af
@@Handlingthesenuts. It was 20-odd years ago. We caught him at it in his third store tournament under 3rd edition, and he'd been a casual player under 2nd for years. No proof he was doing it earlier, but no reason to doubt it either and the whole group voted to demand he be kicked out for life. The actual owner of the shop was so pissed off with him for tainting her nice new tourney program (which was drawing a lot of people) she wouldn't even let him shop there any more. Not exactly a major loss of profits, but rare for indie store owners to do that sort of thing IME..
Some folks just go crazy when there's even a small prize on the line. Or maybe he was always a cheat even in casual. We did used to joke about his hot dice.
@@Lomhow I'm told it was a run-down closet with no gaming space that he opened mostly for to get discounts, but I've never been there. It may be gone now - I went to look up the blog he was using as a store page and it's been taken down.
For space marines (especially against other space marines), I've found Storm of Fire WT quite efficient. Since AoC is on the board, bringing a stupid amount of bolters and letting them live out full potential with this buff usually has a good chance to hit the armour cap, or just simply degrade the enemy's saves just enough to hit those infantry units.
but it doesnt stack with doctrines so youll still have the same ap value in turns 2-3 as you will in turns 1,4,5. its a pointless WLT outside of maybe buffing a melta gun in turn 1 or something.
@@fredconney2896 I'm not so sure. I think if you pull an Imperial Fist and bring mass bolters you could easily scratch off more than your opponent would be comfortable with.
You're right in thinking it's not very efficient or in the meta. But so far I haven't found any FAQs or mentions that it doesn't stack with Doctrines. At least GW's 40k app doesn't say.
@@Lomhow ive been playing imperial fists for a decade now. im one of the top imperial fist players in the official discord with one of the highest imperial fists scores in this current season. im not saying any of that to BS you. just that this idea has been tried by those of us that play the army and it is underwhelming as hell. the best WLT we have is Hand of Dorn, for obvious reason, followed by indomitable.
as far as not stacking with doctrines, you wont need any faq's or apps simply open your codex and read the rules for battle doctrines- "this cannot stack with other AP modifier effects." we had a guy in the discord thinking he could do exactly whats being discussed here because it would make our bolt guns fairly decent in mass. but we had to inform him that it doesnt work that way.
@@fredconney2896 Crap... you're right, just looked it up. This is ridiculous, making the idea of this WLT utterly obsolete. Adding AoC to the mix, space marine on space marine gameplay pretty much sucks.
That bonus tip drastically improved my game! I hadnt really considered it uo until now, but its been kind of an eye opener. Awesome vid!
Make your opponent use up stratagems before your big model shoots or attacks. They can only use it once per phase and fishing out their CP and good stratagems early gives tire bigger guns an opportunity to shine.
Sub tip to bonus tip 6: if you find it difficult to reliably roll 6’s on a regular basis, then play armies that hit on 2’s to maximize your chances. Armies like Custodes, stationary Dark Angels, and now Black Legion to the closest enemy unit are great places to start.
I tried the last tip and I felt it was going well. I shot 9 mining laser shots, hit 8 of them and wounded with 7 of them. But the opponent saved 6 of the 7 on a 5+ invo so nothing died. Is there a way to limit the opponent from using the same strategy off rolling sixes?
1. Secretly replace your opponents dice with dice that have 1's instead of 6's
2. ?????????
3. Profit
When I'm trying to hit or damage something I just use dice with more sides on them. This works well for advance and charges too. 😊
Not gonna lie - last tip blew me away. never thought 'bout that.
If you can actually make that one work reliably you should give up on 40K altogether and go to Vegas. Just make your killing fast and get out of town before the legbreakers come for you.
This video is amazing for someone trying to learn to play the game, it's good to get an insight into how to think about different phases, would love to see more like this for the other phases.
One of my tips is to shoot based on priority and reasonable target. If my opponent has something huge that I can deal with, I'll use my important guns there first. I want to know if I can delete it or not and if I don't, I want to have my other options available as backup.
The second bit is I like to get my less important or less options out of the way. If have a bunch of bolter quality weapons, I won't save them, I'll just unload them into their immediate threat. They can't really shoot up and it helps me reduce the amount of things I need to consider to focus on how to divide my next round of shots. Hopefully that makes sense
"Just roll sixes"- my main strategy as an Ork player
Bonus Bonus tip though: If you have stuff that happens on nat6 to hit or wound, and you can reroll them wether they failed or not, it can sometimes be worthwhile to risk rerolling already passed rolls to fish for those sixes. Anything that has Volkite in its name is typically such a binary weapon, that's either a wet fart on anything but nat sixes in wound, but IF you get those sixes, that's a deep fried turd high pressure delivery mechanism letting your opponent drown in mortals.
Great video! I just always roll sixes. All the time. Without end. All sixes.
Lets not forget a few other factors on die rolls:
1) Dice size/weight
2) Height/speed they are tossed at
3) Die edge sharpness
4) Amount of time spent shaking them your hand
5) What they land on or hit before stopping
While the "Law of Averages", or whatever the real Science term is, says those factors should not matter in the long run it can increase or lower your chances that your current die roll might have more high/low numbers face up (IE: small/light dice roll for longer if thrown with the same force you would for heavier/large dice, smaller dice are also less slowed by air density). Dice boxes or a rule like found in Casinos (must bounce off the back wall) will further randomize the chances allowing for a more "Balanced" result.
Dice edge only factors while rolling as a pointed edge will stop a die sooner then a smoothed one, something that can be countered if thrown harder. Soft or Hard rolling surface will also factor how much momentum is lost during each bounce with soft surfaces taking away more. Dice weight also affect how fast it will lose momentum on each bounce, with metal die losing the most.
All the above factors are to hard for an average organic meat-bag... I mean, human to accurately control with just their hands & it's low predicable nature when adding in extra "Variables" (like emotional state, magic/spiritual curses, air quality, local gravity, Reality laws & chance of outside interference) substantially adds to its random outcome.
Note: This long joke post it to say "Don't think to hard about it & just roll the damn dice!"
Omg roll 6s!
Excellent.
I have found rolling six’s in my game also helps me to win glad to hear others things k the same. Hehe
Just roll 6s? Wow i didn't even think about that! Thanks Auspex, my space marines are definitely going to outshoot the T'au now! :D
My philosophy is kill it till it dead. I don't care if I waste my entire shooting phase on one unit, if its dead I'm happy.
If you're more casual. Usually shooting with units from the rear first and then the front goes pretty well overall.
Lazy gamer strats!
Great video. Always nice to see the math behind the strat.
The last bit... just Hilarious! It was Brilliant.
I learnt to be careful of the order in which I chose units to shoot at the last tournament I attended. I had a retributor and Dominion squad with two priority targets; my opponent's Paragon warsuits and Celestian sacrasants. I had CP for both Blessed bolts and Holy trinity (I run Multi melta/heavy flamer retributors). Wanting to ensure the paragons, which were worth bring it down VP, died, I Started with the Dominions but only killed 1 between 2+ Svs and - 1 Damage. The Retributors, with holy trinity active, dealt enough damage to have killed all 3. the sacrasants tagged and killed both my units in the following turn. Had I shot with Retributors first, I would have killed the paragons (or at least severely weakened them) and allowed the Dominions to either split fire between the paragons and Sacrasants or just target the sacrasants, hopefully bypassing their invl Sv with Blessed bolts and at the very least, weakening them.
Definitely a lesson learnt.
That bonus tipp is awesome!
As an Imperial Fists player I wish I could roll more 6's.
So I'm supposed to be rolling 6's for damage instead of 1's? That explains my performance in my last local tournament...
Sadly the bonus tip doesn't apply to my army, I was told to be more lore accurate so I only have one sided dice for my lamenters force
Ferrus Manus Liked this!
I roll armor saves like no ones business but adversely I miss and can't wound a lot
Tip 7: try to shoot the least reliable guns first. Low bs, d6 shots/damage.
There is one huge reason not to do that in many cases. If you get one free reroll (salamanders or leviathan tyranids) or you need a shot to get through (a melta shot or something) then you want to just fire the important weapon first. Then you know if you need to reroll or not. If you end up not needing to you can use a reroll on the smaller weapon and potentially get more damage.
Against Marks of Tzeentch definitely shoot the jank first to pop the bubble for the rest of your army
@@evader110 it's not bad weapons first, just unpredictable weapons. Then you can clean up with the more reliable stuff. If they have a reroll, the weapon is far less unpredictable and so probably wouldn't be in this category.
@@Raygun9000 I guess I was more referring to multigun units in this instance. Unpredictable also include jank bc low strength is functionally the same as high BS. I think of unpredictable in terms of what has the lowest probability to do damage.
The title is all we ever need and want in playing a game (except for psychic powers and morale test)
I'll take doubles 6s and 6 mw from my smite
I think it’s always important to generalize your fire power across your army. Maybe dedicate a specific unit specialized in a certain type of armament. The Gladiator tank is the most blatant example I can think of. Just remember to deploy and move the unit accordingly.
Thanks Auspex
Here's how to roll more 6s.
This is not superstition, this is engineering.
Fair dice do not exist. Every dice is a weighted dice to some degree whether unintentionally by manufacturing/design error or intentional cheating.
Casino dice come closest to fair dice, but they're still biased, expensive as hell and likely to pick up a bias through use.
In an ideal case, you would repeatedly roll the dice, track each individual dice and count how often a particular result comes up.
But this is not feasible.
So some heuristics might work well. For example, if a dice rolls low, it it more likely to roll low again. I have a small discard pile for dice that roll 1s twice in a row, a dice biased to 1s is more likely to roll consecutive 1s than a dice biased towards other values, by definition.
Sure it's not going to be much greater than 1/6 in time, but I got hundreds of d6s and a few losses to improve my dice pool is acceptable.
I play Astra Militarum by the way, so that explains why I think owning hundreds of dice is a good idea and losses are acceptable.
This was a brilliant post - a very well-rendered way of sharing a practice that plenty of intelligent and analytical people have adopted.
Onto some dubiousness ... I have "discarded" a particular manner of throwing the dice. Restricted to three or fewer dice, this certain, "bob", at the shoulder was noted to to yield an inordinate amount of ones. So it's not even like I ever consciously stopped doing it - it's more like an insurmountable antipathy operating on an instinctual level prevents me from performing it, _unless_ it's something like a morale test where I have to intervene consciously and avoid doing it to be fair.
Nice breakdown, might make a short vid discussing this if I get chance. A lot of people seem to do this out of superstition, but kind of interesting that it's at least theoretically a way of manipulating averages of dice rolls. I think I might split people a bit as to whether or not that's a good thing though!
The best, most useful tip in this vid is the bonus one. Just do that, and you will be fine.
How are wounds assigned? With Auspex's example with the Raptors and helverin, firing the stubber at them wouldn't do much if your opponent assigned the wound from a heavy stubber to an unwounded model, wouldn't it?
So I am currently building an Ultramarine army and I select my unit mainly with the rule of cool. But I am lacking of something to kill elites/Heavy Support with invuls. I Have some Hellblasters but thats it. Are there some good unit against elites without meltas and preferable melee (cause Ultramarines seem like a range chapter)?
Eliminators 100% if your anti melta. Tho eradicators are very cool so dont know why you wouldn't run them. But pure math hammer Eliminators do a hell of a job for their points againest Elites and armour
Ten man brick of thunderhammer stormshield terminators. They can walk straight up the board and kill practically anything while barely taking a scratch themselves. Will cost an arm and a leg in points, and the models are never cheap but if you want Killy units those are your boys.
Struggling with hitting and wounding stuff? No worries, just play with loaded dice!
I ain’t playing with you then pal !
How could I have not thought of just rolling more 6's
Heh heh, foolish man-thing doesn't know-think that he should roll seven-seven on his dice-bone instead of sixes.
One thing that you didn’t mention is to stop taking wounds. If your opponent is dishing out more wounds than you, then simply stop taking them. The more wounds you take, the less guns you have shooting back at the enemy!
Are we sure the dice have a 6 on them unless rolling moral. My doomsday Canon averages 2 to 3 wounds before saves.
I feel the longer 9th ed goes on, the less favourable shooting gets overall, not saying it can't or never works, but the skew definitely is going towards melee being superior, looking at what factions top, or what traits people go for e.g. whirlwind of rage, seems to support it, which sucks for mostly shooting armies, Tau, Guard (tho codex could help I guess) and on some level Admech
Nice
I'd have an easier time 6s or better if I was using a d20, I'll tell you that much.
I once failed 16 3 and 4 up saves in a row, resulting in the deaths of an entire crisis team and four shield drones.
thats why i take so many grot tanks and mega tanks, if you throw hundreds of shots at the opponent, you'll get hits eventually
What is that heavy weapon
Just roll 6's, my god, what an idea!
There are obvious things - command points, stratagems and re-rolls from auras, sure. BUT, the kind of it all is target priority.
As already stated in the video - it is often best to start with units that have the most limited target choices:
- limited line of sight? Might just as well fire up first, before enemy removes casualties in such a way you won't be able to any longer.
- only able to fire at super buffed targets - no other way, so may just as well
- sub-optimal target - if nothing better is in your crosshair, why not?
Then comes choosing the right weapons for the job and right target:
- before using your small guys, consider if barrage weapon won't be able to do more damage first - reap the benefits of it - there is no point in firing smaller arms at the enemy squad if you can get full benefit of barrage first. This may make the difference between wiping out the squad and leaving some behind - just mind enemy casualty removal.
- don't overkill if you can help it - don't fire your D2 weapon on on 1W models if you have option of firing it against something with 2W. Finish off wounded targets with some dinky weapon before bringing up the bigger guns.
- Don't underkill - this is a lesser issue - I'd argue that it is better to underkill than overkill - especially against squads, or if enemy can't bring the vehicle/monster to full capacity when bracketed... Which brings me to my next point.
- Don't be afraid to split-fire - it is often tempting to hose the enemy with all the guns on your Leman Russ... But consider that bringing down the number of guns firing back at you is oftentimes better than reducing the number of squads. Consider the scenario when you have 2 enemy squads. You can either wipe out one completely with decent reliability, or heavily wound 2 squads. Assuming these are both squads of 10. Killing off total of 12-14 models split between two squads is overall better than wiping out full squad... unless they have special weapons that can do a number on you and must be eliminated no matter what. This also has psychological effect - some players may under estimate the capabilities of weakened squads, which may force them to change plans.
- be wary of "distraction carnifex" - I've seen it many times - that big scary knight, or demon primarch or Avatar or well... a carnifex... Army focuses all fire on it, with one final lasgun shot luckily taking the last wound of the enemy super tough unit. Hurrray... Next turn remaining of enemy army marches unopposed to objectives, kills exposed units etc. - all because the enemy got distracted by big scary thing.
- speaking of heavily defended unit - avoid firing at unit that your foe buffed like crazy if you can avoid it - they want you to waste your shots on it... Unless this one unit is of absolutely critical priority, pick another target. And if you must fire at something with ridiculous saves - high saves are oftentimes best dealt with by multishot weapons - if enemy is covered by tons of saves... drown them with fire - single shot weapons are not exactly optimal here.
Never underestimate my ability to roll ones
Oh, DON'T roll sixes for morale! THAT'S what I've been doing wrong!
Or alternatively, MOAR DAKKA
This guy is so funny. Just roll sixes!
Re-roll 1 and re-roll 2 are the same dmg increase, because failed roll is a failed roll.
Would love for one to clear this up.
If the enemy 10 man strong unit is behind industrial cover and only 3 are visable to me i can only kill these 3 no matter if i shoot 40 rounds with Gauss Flayers on them? And do the Warriors in question all have to have line of sight too? Meaning if only 5 of my Warriors poke out of cover they can shoot the 10 rounds onto 3 enemies?
As far as I understand, if only 3 models are visible, you can kill more than that as long as it is one volley. When it comes to who can shoot, a model can shoot if it has los, so you can poke half a unit out from behind cover to fire, but only those models can fire.
@@AFKay42 Alright thanks! But with melee its different right? If 1 models gets within range of mine they can all surround me due to the "Pile in" rule or whatever its called.
@@Dewoy1 Yeah, in melee if one model gets in range then all the other models get a 3 inch move to get closer
Step 1. Play dark angels
Step 2. Hellblasters
I play Orks so I just brace for dealing zero damage in my own shooting phase anyway.
Meanwhile custodies: what are lucky ?
SIXES?!
Bahahaha best bonus tip ever
There is no such thing as overkill, there is only open fire and reload.
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The Emperor Protects. It only looks like cheating. :)
Instruction unclear. Now 6 dice Show 1s and 2s...
But we can't always roll 6s
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I cheat.
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That tip on 6's is invaluable XD