@@maggie_4321 MPADS are fired by troops on ground. Air dominance is there in NE and Kashmir. War is fought using strategies deployed in waves. One of the first objectives would be to obtain air dominance and the Deploy grounds troops and move them across enemy lines. So every tool has its time and place of use.
@@nrprabhu555 dominating your own airspace in NE and Kashmir doesn't automatically gives you dominance over the enemy airspace. Learn something from Russo-Ukraine war. Despite having a superior number in aircraft Russia doesn't have complete air dominance over Ukraine. It heavily relies on its FAB glide bombs which it can deploy from its own safe airspace. Even their ground attack aircraft fly low to evade SAM batteries but recently some have been shot down by MPADS.
@@nrprabhu555 we don't even use Jaguars which are dedicated for this as we are too professional to risk colaitral damage and casualty of civilian or soldiers .
@@ancientwarrior2374 Jaguar is Bomber. Also low flying to evade radar is its USP. AC130 can be used for high altitude and its guns for CAS for on ground troops. With time techniques need to evolve and adopt technology. We can’t say our grandparents didn’t do that so we won’t do it too.
C390 is the best, Engines should not be the problem, as it is used in Aeroplanes worldwide, so India can build its MRO facility here because of booming civil aviation
i mean they were extensively used against the IS, but against IS was a rag tag group when compared with the combined force of the the iraqi army and the us army
Best is to go for full ToT for C-390 as it is more capable than C-130J, further C-130J is very old model, if we want to progress further, we need to go for C-390. Why do we need AC-130?? where are we going to use them? Against Naxals??? I think for such roles we can have drones that can carry unguided rockets or weapons with the cost of sortie/s vs the result might be in favour of C-390. Further its best to have product from Embraer with stretched fuselage and hence more capability for load
Platform developed in 1960s for Vietnam War and similar requirements... In present day, will become hugely embarrassing and costly targets for cheap shoulder fired(mobile) air defense equipment used by operators mostly in mountainous/forested terrain. Just partner up in best deal possible for C390 with modular config and then build on the ecosystem for future developments of transport, refueler and maybe even awacs requirements
I think this is a very sweet deal. It will also bring similarity in the fleet as we already operate these aircraft. It's also the most versatile aircraft on offer no doubt!
India should go with KC-390 & immediately start preparations for integrating comparable Russian engines. If Russia can replace the engines of its entire civilian fleet , so can India . Advantage is -/ tech transfer from Brazil & the aircraft being made in India
India's MTA should be started now with a Hi Bypass variant of Kaveri.. Make Aircraft to suit Engine.. Kaveri ka production badhega.. Paisa further Development me jayega.. Revive Indigenous MTA
@@pravindahiya719 i think Japan ne to kiya hai with their KAWASAKI p1.. With 4 hi- bypass joke 60 kn produce karte hai & woh pehle low bypass engine the jisko modified kiya gaya for hi bypass application... 😑🤔
@@pravindahiya719 is it ? Really? And I guess then all the knowledge and expertise gained during Kaveri Development must be useless wrt High Bypass engine Development.. No?
@@pravindahiya719 yes.. Conform jo engine abhi use hota hai wo hai FH -10 HI-BYPASS turbofan joki develop kiya gaya hai on the base of LOW-BYPASS engine XF5 - 1 ..👍
We do not need equipments like AC-130 Gunship this is a white elephant which has its own vulnerabilities. but we need Javlin, stinger, guided munition and loitering munitions drones and long range artillery ammunition manufacturing capabilities ...
आज कोई संभावना नहीं है, पर कल फुल फ्लेज गनशिप, बॉम्बर की जरूरत पड़ी, तो हम फिर से जुगाड़ लगाते दिखेंगे। 😅😅 जैसे कारगिल में हेलीकॉप्टर के साथ किया था। 😅🤔🇮🇳
These still work in areas with asymmetrical warfare. They would work well against threats in Kashmir, Maoist areas and the Northeastern states where they could serve the CAS(close air support) well.
Fun fact: Even USAF has a protocol to operate AC130 only after sunset and before sunrise in order to avoid being spotted. As this thing is sitting duck for MANPADs.
Embraer will be bittersweet. Since it's also 80% owned by Boeing( although commercial byt money is liquid) and the largest aero cluster in the world where you can see Boeing, Airbus, Embraer is in Brazil. May be you will get knocked down kits with some production know how. Embraer is not gonna help make a whole production line from scratch unless the order number is above 100
In my opinion. If mod and airforce select c-130 in MTA, then it should consider MC-130 and EC-130 compass call Armed forces special operations division At the end their choice.
Sir, you should really consider attaching a segment reminding viewers to like the video and subscribe as even as a regular viewer I forget to do the same Jai hind
To operate planes such as these we first need to have complete air superiority and dominance over the battlefield and the enemies Airforce and air defence capabilities should be completely handicapped only then we can operate these type of planes But considering the current position of IAF I heavily doubt that we'll have complete air dominance over either of our enemies
Don't mislead. Haseena reserved 30% seats for families of freedom fighters in Bangladesh, whereas their court announced reduction in reserved seats to 5% only
@Alpha Defence, C390 would be the best if we get the source code. When India develops the 110kn engine with a foreign partner, it should have the metallurgy and other know how to design and build efficient jet engines and should be able to build a derivative high bypass jet engine for transport aircrafts. What do you think?
Perfect.... C-130 based gunship is ok to target terrorists of last decade (having no anti air capability) in a foreign, less populated land..... Doesn't fit in the Indian context. Rest of the variants, like refueller, recon .... All these things can be made (if not already available) for most of the other options too.
Jobhi lena hai woh lo lekin jaldi, kyo ki yaha per aur ek front khul chuka hai aur humare HAL ki aukat nahi hai ki woh mass production kar sake isliye bahetar woh rahenga ki sabhi sources se apni senao ko majbut karo
India should not fall into the C 130J gunship trap. Lockheed Martin just trying to sweeten the deal for India to licence manufacture a 60 year old basic design.
AC 130 will work against POK terrorists, that's mostly how USA used it, fighting terrorists in a non challenged air space. I mean where else we'll use it... can't use it on pirates. Not that effective against China or Pakistan. But one ace in the pocket is that it can be used to provide close air support for army transport near LOC from the infiltrated terrorists. Probably will never need to fire a single shot, it will scare the sh*t out of them... But bro we don't have that kinda budget 😂. Remember cheapest bidder is the motto in most indian acquisitions. Probably better off buying a drone evaluating the cost effectiveness.
But out govt has a very stupid policy to not use heavy airpower in loc area so the locals sentiments are not hurt even at the cost of our soliders lives
@@AbstainAndChill Yes we have budget only to give freebies in every state to attract votes. We can’t spend any money for R&D or acquire technology. Best idea is to sign a treaty with the enemies and even terrorists that we will only fight with sticks and stones like LAC.
The less we purchase american equipment the better it is for us. Only those equipment which cannot be procured from other western countries, Russia, and Israel or those which haven't been developed indigenously should be procured from US. The more we stay away from US the better. I believe
We need to think beyond our Himalayan and western borders. The kind of situation developing in our surroundings is quite dangerous. The 2.5 fronts war is outdated. We may need to cross our Easter and southern borders in the near future. And we can't use our best assets in those areas. So assets like bombers and gunship aircraft will be useful. If we need to protect our civilization we have to think beyond our current scenario.
weapons offer to bharat ko duniya bhar se ho rahi hai, so weapons ki offer se zeyada important hai ke keya modi ko bharat ki forces ko advance veapons le ke dene mein dilchaspi hai ya nahin ?🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Gunships aren't useful these days, especially for a country like India because both of our enemies have long-range Sam's, and they can shoot down a gunship from a very long distance away only way i can see them being useful for us would be to counter naxels or terrorists tho India won't allow it and even then helicopters can be used as gunships.
USA ' mta should be discarded from import list because USA isn't trustworthy at all, brazillian embreyer ke saath India ko jana chahihe after brazil orders our akash & Brahmos systems
आप कहां ज्ञानी बाबा मुझे लगता हैं देश की सरकार और भारतीय सेना को इनसे सीखना चाहिए सेना के सेना को पता होता हैं उन्होंने कौन-कौन से हथियार लेनें में? तुम 🤐🤐🤐🤫
@@james4807M True, Aaj Indian Govt nahi use karti IAF resource ko for attack, but things can Change. May be the PM after Modi-ji will be more assertive ? And these also have artillery gun onboard, and can rain down explosive much cheaper than attack helicopter using any kind of Rocket (Guided or unGuided)
Totally paisa barbaad hai attack helicopters lena Jab use hi nahi karna hai to lena kyu hai Kashmir mai soldier mar rhe hai but helicopter use nahi honge mi 35 junk kha rha hai rudra pta ni kyu liye hai
AC 130 gunship works in complete air dominated areas. Otherwise it can be shot down by MPADS.
You don't understand it forces enemy to look at all cargo planes as potential gun ships further dividing their resources during war time
@@maggie_4321 MPADS are fired by troops on ground. Air dominance is there in NE and Kashmir. War is fought using strategies deployed in waves. One of the first objectives would be to obtain air dominance and the
Deploy grounds troops and move them across enemy lines. So every tool has its time and place of use.
@@nrprabhu555 dominating your own airspace in NE and Kashmir doesn't automatically gives you dominance over the enemy airspace.
Learn something from Russo-Ukraine war. Despite having a superior number in aircraft Russia doesn't have complete air dominance over Ukraine. It heavily relies on its FAB glide bombs which it can deploy from its own safe airspace. Even their ground attack aircraft fly low to evade SAM batteries but recently some have been shot down by MPADS.
AC-130 gunships don't hold much relevance against enemies that can shoot you out of the sky with various types of SAMs.
What about detecting tangos, CAS in forested areas like NE and mountainous jungles of Kashmir??
@@nrprabhu555 Indian government doesn't even allow the use of helis in tayrorist ops..
@@nrprabhu555 we don't even use Jaguars which are dedicated for this as we are too professional to risk colaitral damage and casualty of civilian or soldiers .
Nothing operates in solitude. If it is indeed used, then it will be used in a strike package that would offset the pitfalls of the AC-130
@@ancientwarrior2374 Jaguar is Bomber. Also low flying to evade radar is its USP. AC130 can be used for high altitude and its guns for CAS for on ground troops. With time techniques need to evolve and adopt technology. We can’t say our grandparents didn’t do that so we won’t do it too.
C390 is the best, Engines should not be the problem, as it is used in Aeroplanes worldwide, so India can build its MRO facility here because of booming civil aviation
Only seen gunship in call of duty😅.
i mean they were extensively used against the IS, but against IS was a rag tag group when compared with the combined force of the the iraqi army and the us army
Best is to go for full ToT for C-390 as it is more capable than C-130J, further C-130J is very old model, if we want to progress further, we need to go for C-390.
Why do we need AC-130?? where are we going to use them? Against Naxals??? I think for such roles we can have drones that can carry unguided rockets or weapons with the cost of sortie/s vs the result might be in favour of C-390. Further its best to have product from Embraer with stretched fuselage and hence more capability for load
If cargo capacity is the only factor to make a choice, A400M can lift 37t while C390 can lift 26t and C130J lifts a little less than 20t.
@@Pranith_ cost bhi dekh A400 ki
@@Pranith_ than achha hi hai...cause IAF ki requirement to 18 se 30 tons ki hi hai ... 😑
For show off and exercise.. main time to kadi ninda hi krke kam chalana hota h.
Platform developed in 1960s for Vietnam War and similar requirements...
In present day, will become hugely embarrassing and costly targets for cheap shoulder fired(mobile) air defense equipment used by operators mostly in mountainous/forested terrain.
Just partner up in best deal possible for C390 with modular config and then build on the ecosystem for future developments of transport, refueler and maybe even awacs requirements
Useless in indias context to have flying gunship, all our neighbors have basic to advance air defense
Get the Ex RAF Hercules and send them to Americans for conversion
A much better option IF AC130 is a requirement.
C390 is the best option in my opinion. With Mahindra producing them locally, mounting airborne radars will be easier
I think this is a very sweet deal. It will also bring similarity in the fleet as we already operate these aircraft. It's also the most versatile aircraft on offer no doubt!
India should go with KC-390 & immediately start preparations for integrating comparable Russian engines.
If Russia can replace the engines of its entire civilian fleet , so can India .
Advantage is -/ tech transfer from Brazil & the aircraft being made in India
India's MTA should be started now with a Hi Bypass variant of Kaveri.. Make Aircraft to suit Engine.. Kaveri ka production badhega.. Paisa further Development me jayega.. Revive Indigenous MTA
Low bypass engine can't be converted into a High bypass engine & vice-versa.
a clean slate design would be needed
@@pravindahiya719 i think Japan ne to kiya hai with their KAWASAKI p1.. With 4 hi- bypass joke 60 kn produce karte hai & woh pehle low bypass engine the jisko modified kiya gaya for hi bypass application... 😑🤔
@@pravindahiya719 is it ? Really? And I guess then all the knowledge and expertise gained during Kaveri Development must be useless wrt High Bypass engine Development.. No?
@@deltaandD7516 thanks for the info . I'll read further. My impression was that a clean slate design would come out faster. 🙏
@@pravindahiya719 yes.. Conform jo engine abhi use hota hai wo hai FH -10 HI-BYPASS turbofan joki develop kiya gaya hai on the base of LOW-BYPASS engine XF5 - 1 ..👍
We do not need equipments like AC-130 Gunship this is a white elephant which has its own vulnerabilities. but we need Javlin, stinger, guided munition and loitering munitions drones and long range artillery ammunition manufacturing capabilities ...
India and Brazil both can draw road map and work for developing good engin.
A400 m is the best option for IAF...
Should choose ones with TOT
आज कोई संभावना नहीं है, पर कल फुल फ्लेज गनशिप, बॉम्बर की जरूरत पड़ी, तो हम फिर से जुगाड़ लगाते दिखेंगे। 😅😅 जैसे कारगिल में हेलीकॉप्टर के साथ किया था। 😅🤔🇮🇳
These still work in areas with asymmetrical warfare. They would work well against threats in Kashmir, Maoist areas and the Northeastern states where they could serve the CAS(close air support) well.
Kc 130j would have been more useful
What is that
@@rohitanshukhilar1904
Air Refueling Aircraft.
@iimcrandomgamer711 yes it's kc130
@@itsghanta1201
Oh sorry i mixed kc130 with other American refuler Aircraft.
That has been offered under refueller platform tender.
We need more ground to air attack solutions and portable defense systems. Quick mobilsation quick deployment capability is the need of the hour
India should upgrade it's il 76 aircraft
Fun fact: Even USAF has a protocol to operate AC130 only after sunset and before sunrise in order to avoid being spotted. As this thing is sitting duck for MANPADs.
I don't think gun ships are that useful against sophisticated enemies.
Embraer will be bittersweet. Since it's also 80% owned by Boeing( although commercial byt money is liquid) and the largest aero cluster in the world where you can see Boeing, Airbus, Embraer is in Brazil. May be you will get knocked down kits with some production know how. Embraer is not gonna help make a whole production line from scratch unless the order number is above 100
But the thing is.. They r looking for an offer to technically uss deal me india ka palda thoda upar rahega about.. TOT or other adjustments.. 🤔
Its of no use against pak or china. Its a good tool in an uncontested airspace
In my opinion. If mod and airforce select c-130 in MTA, then it should consider MC-130 and EC-130 compass call Armed forces special operations division
At the end their choice.
Sir, you should really consider attaching a segment reminding viewers to like the video and subscribe as even as a regular viewer I forget to do the same
Jai hind
The biggest problem will be the risk of sanctions for any frivolous reason
Who knows what you are going to need in future, if the need is not today that doesn't mean you don't need it, everything should be in the tool box.
"Enemy AC-130 Above!!" 💀⚡
Anyway it'll have super limited application in context to our strategy...
Engine deal to nibha nahi pata plane bechne chale aye..... Ati ki bhi haad hoti hai....
C17 Globe master 150 nos. Essential.
isnt that engine issue for A320Neo family specific to PW1000G due to engine blade issue (ig) also in hot and humid climate like ours ?
To operate planes such as these we first need to have complete air superiority and dominance over the battlefield and the enemies Airforce and air defence capabilities should be completely handicapped only then we can operate these type of planes
But considering the current position of IAF I heavily doubt that we'll have complete air dominance over either of our enemies
Hn vo airline ka suna tha mene pratt and witney wala case engine hi supply nahi kiye uski vajh se airline hi band ho gyi
Don't mislead. Haseena reserved 30% seats for families of freedom fighters in Bangladesh, whereas their court announced reduction in reserved seats to 5% only
C295 don't have same problems as A400M? A400M is most capable of all of 3 aircrafts. Only drawback is higher cost.
ENEMY AC-130 ABOVE!!! 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥
This type of gunship used by navy or airforce joint operation in India ocean areas or adman nicobar side
Should have bought the company Embraer when we had the chance
Explained very well Sir
JAI HIND 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
@Alpha Defence, C390 would be the best if we get the source code. When India develops the 110kn engine with a foreign partner, it should have the metallurgy and other know how to design and build efficient jet engines and should be able to build a derivative high bypass jet engine for transport aircrafts. What do you think?
What good is gun ship on MTA? It will be useless against an enemy with air defence
This one we must have
Bhai us se kuch nahi lena chahiye ab, khaskar defense mein.
Tejas program ko chod diya GE ne.
Perfect.... C-130 based gunship is ok to target terrorists of last decade (having no anti air capability) in a foreign, less populated land..... Doesn't fit in the Indian context.
Rest of the variants, like refueller, recon .... All these things can be made (if not already available) for most of the other options too.
Ac 130 gunship is a beast
Acche se samjhaya..
We shouldn’t go for any other offer, US should complete their engine deliveries for Tejas first
AC 130 Gunship.. are vo bhi lelo yar.. agal bagal me jaisi gatividiyan chal rhi hai use dekh ke lagta hai kam se kam 2 to honi hi chahiye. 😅😅
Agal- bagal ki gatividhiyo ko hawa & paise to Amरीका hi de raha hai .
MTA program beech me latkana nahi hai humko.
Bhaad me jaaye amरीका ।
@@pravindahiya719 ye baat bhi sahi hai. ye G**d* Amरीcans are the only reason today entire Earth is in chaos.
Will they also offer signals intelligence version aircraft of c 130
AC 130 useful against airforce less, sam less forces.
It makes sense if we are planning to invade someone but will that ever happen?
At least make your own medium category transport aircraft.
Also start making engines for medium category transport aircrafts.
With the commitment of HAL you'll get it in 2050+
@@AbstainAndChill HAL is much better, the problem with egos of bureaucrats and bribe paied by foreign companies.
Jobhi lena hai woh lo lekin jaldi, kyo ki yaha per aur ek front khul chuka hai aur humare HAL ki aukat nahi hai ki woh mass production kar sake isliye bahetar woh rahenga ki sabhi sources se apni senao ko majbut karo
India should not fall into the C 130J gunship trap. Lockheed Martin just trying to sweeten the deal for India to licence manufacture a 60 year old basic design.
AC 130 will work against POK terrorists, that's mostly how USA used it, fighting terrorists in a non challenged air space.
I mean where else we'll use it... can't use it on pirates. Not that effective against China or Pakistan.
But one ace in the pocket is that it can be used to provide close air support for army transport near LOC from the infiltrated terrorists. Probably will never need to fire a single shot, it will scare the sh*t out of them...
But bro we don't have that kinda budget 😂.
Remember cheapest bidder is the motto in most indian acquisitions.
Probably better off buying a drone evaluating the cost effectiveness.
But out govt has a very stupid policy to not use heavy airpower in loc area so the locals sentiments are not hurt even at the cost of our soliders lives
@@AbstainAndChill Yes we have budget only to give freebies in every state to attract votes. We can’t spend any money for R&D or acquire technology. Best idea is to sign a treaty with the enemies and even terrorists that we will only fight with sticks and stones like LAC.
If I am not wrong, it's payload capacity is lesser than other two
airbus 400m boht tarika se use kiya ya sakta hai
The less we purchase american equipment the better it is for us. Only those equipment which cannot be procured from other western countries, Russia, and Israel or those which haven't been developed indigenously should be procured from US. The more we stay away from US the better.
I believe
We should me utmost selfish while dealing with US
🇮🇳 🇮🇳 🇮🇳 भारत माता की जय 🇮🇳 🇮🇳 🇮🇳
Now imagine pounding Tiger Hill from the top.
Bro can we choose c2?
We need to think beyond our Himalayan and western borders. The kind of situation developing in our surroundings is quite dangerous. The 2.5 fronts war is outdated. We may need to cross our Easter and southern borders in the near future. And we can't use our best assets in those areas. So assets like bombers and gunship aircraft will be useful. If we need to protect our civilization we have to think beyond our current scenario.
A 10 ko buy kyo nhi krte
Can the angel of death provide better reconnaissance and support in kashmir valley?
weapons offer to bharat ko duniya bhar se ho rahi hai, so weapons ki offer se zeyada important hai ke keya modi ko bharat ki forces ko advance veapons le ke dene mein dilchaspi hai ya nahin ?🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Vaise usa pe bharosa nahi kar sakte ....
HAL is working on this type of aircraft.
Buying what's not needed is the babu way.
ले लेना चाहिए AC 130 ट्रिपल रोल में काम आ सकता है युद्ध, ट्रांसपोर्ट और एंटी नक्सल ऑपरेशन
Gunships aren't useful these days, especially for a country like India because both of our enemies have long-range Sam's, and they can shoot down a gunship from a very long distance away only way i can see them being useful for us would be to counter naxels or terrorists tho India won't allow it and even then helicopters can be used as gunships.
USA ' mta should be discarded from import list because USA isn't trustworthy at all, brazillian embreyer ke saath India ko jana chahihe after brazil orders our akash & Brahmos systems
Globemaster 💦💦. But no production...😢
AC 130 inbound BRRRRRRRRRR
Ac 130 gunship is useless. Rapid dragon, plus long range bombers are the need of hour.
please a video on current ukrainian advance in russia on conflictx
Hi
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Never buy AMERICAN products after what they did in Bangladesh
भारत को टी ओ टी के साथ जाना चाहिए।
👊👊👊👌👌👌👊👊👊
AC 130 gunship has no relevence for india
Where HAL MTA ??
Modi scrapped it due to engine differences with Russia
Kc 130 j can be used in anti insurgency operations.
Another American dreams..we need to learn what they did in Bangladesh.. they r not friend
No need of that.
I wish all 3 of them in large numbers for IAF , IA & IN for different roles.
But I don't find any use of Gunship variant in our military.
Bharat k logon ko C-390 k liye kyun soft corner hai???.
No don't buy it . 😅 Even small uav can kill it . 😂
Jab ye sab use hee nahi karna to paisa barbad h
आप कहां ज्ञानी बाबा मुझे लगता हैं देश की सरकार और भारतीय सेना को इनसे सीखना चाहिए सेना के सेना को पता होता हैं उन्होंने कौन-कौन से हथियार लेनें में? तुम 🤐🤐🤐🤫
Drone mother ship......
Jo bat tumne 5 minut me boli wo bat mai 5 second me bol sakta tha.
Ah! AC 130 Gunship is cool, should help in Anti Terrorist and Anti-Piracy ops for quick deployment and neutralization
@@james4807M helicopter hold limited shits aircraft is unlimited you never chance to enemy hold just a minute
🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@james4807M True, Aaj Indian Govt nahi use karti IAF resource ko for attack, but things can Change. May be the PM after Modi-ji will be more assertive ?
And these also have artillery gun onboard, and can rain down explosive much cheaper than attack helicopter using any kind of Rocket (Guided or unGuided)
US ko mat do contract
Lol bas bajate raho
Totally paisa barbaad hai attack helicopters lena
Jab use hi nahi karna hai to lena kyu hai
Kashmir mai soldier mar rhe hai but helicopter use nahi honge mi 35 junk kha rha hai rudra pta ni kyu liye hai