I heard that Ivanka Trump has found Christian Bale attractive and that he has been her celebrity crush before for reasons that has to do with his portrayal of Patrick Bateman, who does actually mention both of her parents in the movie.
i know a lot of people have said that this is the new gilded age, and this magazine cover totally encapsulates that. a beautiful venue with cheap fashion & dreams of wealth that will never be achieved for the majority of those people
One thing I think can't be overstated is that no matter how these young influencers might *feel*, pop culture has always been on their side! Straight, white, shinny & rich has always been considered the best way to be, even at the height of the body positivity movement. I don't remember a time when people didn't use "retarded" as a casual insult for anything they don't like. Maybe they felt like culture was against them cause celebrities were posting rainbow flags on instagram, but in real life, the world was set up to make their lives as easy as possible.
That is exactly it. There has never been a time where conventionally attractive cishet white people weren't at the top. It's just that for maybe a decade they were reminded that other people exist and also want rights and representation. It's the whole "when you're accustomed to privilege equality feels like oppression" thing. Coupled with classism, racism, queerphobia, etc. of course.
My theory is that they are, as usual, lying. They know this and the real issue isnt that things have changed but the *possibility* of future change. They remind me of the violent backlash to the Reconstruction Era: the *possibility* of Black people peacefully achieving the American Dream next to their w. neighbour was *too much* of a *threat*. Marginalised people existing/thriving IS the threat. Acknowledging that there is more than one way to be, feel and believe is the *threat*.
"Thin is in again" feels kinda laughable. Thin never left, thin has always been in, as a fat person, I never noticed any difference in the past decade, it was always contempt.
@@petervizzini4006 If you think thin is the same as being healthy, you're disconnected from science, and if you think contempt will make people skinny, the science actively contradicts that. Read a book.
@@petervizzini4006I kinda admire you for being unabashedly cruel to random people online in the TH-cam comments because the anonymity of your profile affords it like it’s so 2010s coded. Like who leaves comments like that
@@petervizzini4006 Thin is not healthy bro. Generally being overweight is unhealthy but so is being underweight so stop glorifying being thin by calling it "healthy"
It' such a fascinating picture of how bad things have gotten though. Like, in the Reagan years, Reagan's most enthusiastic cheerleaders could at least afford Ralph Lauren, and to wear clothes generally made of natural fibres. Now even the people who stand to benefit from the rise of a right wing authoritarian can only afford polyester replicas of nice clothes, and all the rest of us can do is sit around in similarly cheap clothes mocking them for their garbage taste. It's like the McMansion Hell-ification of everything.
it's partly because fashion doesn't work the same anymore as it did back then. even pricier brands are selling glorified plastic bags for hundreds of dollars because it's a few cents cheaper in manufacturing
I’m not saying this is necessarily untrue, but it seems to me more of the fact that people have a greater ability to buy in excess now that we have better access to insanely cheap Chinese online markets and so people do. Of course these people would rather buy 10 different ultra cheap and trendy but ultimately shit quality clothes than maybe 3 better quality clothes for the same amount of money. It’s essentially normalized for all of us to buy A LOT of clothes and stuff in general, to the point where we’re unaware that having all this junk is TOO MUCH.
All of this is reminding me of the truthism that lower class Americans do not view themselves as lower class, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires. And let me tell you, LARPing as a WASP in your apartment’s kitchen is deeply embarrassing
a lot of my loved ones defend the billionaires who are trying to oppress them more & see being financially impoverished as a moral failing. it just broke my heart & also clicked as to why every conversation is about money. the fixation of "if you have money you can't be miserable, if i was rich then all my problems would go away." almost as a fail safe instead of coping w/ your reality
None of this is funny to me, not even darkly amusing, just dark. We are a nation in decline, this is a new gilded age and I feel nothing but complete despair and it's radicalizing me faster than I ever have been in my entire life.
A few years ago I remember seeing a meme along the lines of I wish I wasn't living though a historical event right now... and yeah that's exactly how I'm feeling.
What are the betting odds on which one of them makes the best joke? Anyway, I'm still at the first five minutes and really happy to see both of them in the same episode. Love their analysis!
Matt, I don’t know if you’ll see this comment but I want to thank you for the work you do. I am an Iranian Muslim woman who gets so much value and education from your videos which I can’t get anywhere else. You changed my mind about so many issues. I hope I can support you financially one day but till then I can only show my appreciation through words.
ugh the Kardashians being harbingers of cultural shifts is sooo on point. the only way they maintain there status is by appealing to the broader American culture therefore, the have to be on top of cultural trends to stay relevant. such a good take.
Conservatism goes hard if you're stupid. It's easy to get into when you don't know anything about politics, and it offers a sense of community and belonging in a society where we're increasingly isolated from one another
What baffles me as a person who is interested in fashion history (specifically 80s ivy league and 50s blue-collar workwear) is how little this wave of young conservatives understand about the fundamentals of the aesthetics they're parodying. I've read the preppy handbook and the one thing it advocates for most is reusing what you already have. Mending things, getting things tailored, high quality materials, hand-me-downs. The original "old money" people didn't have a tonne of disposable income (in comparison to the imagined versions of them), their wealth was tied up in property and land and stocks. They were generally not buying whole new wardrobes every season (obviously there are exceptions to this rule), even kings and queens in the past would have the fabric from old garments recycled and refashioned into new items when the trends shifted. I dress in the real-deal versions of what these people are emulating because I appreciate versatility, quality and durability. I want my wardrobe to last a long time and be sustainable, I want to be both nicely and comfortably dressed regardless of the setting (I live in Harris Tweed blazers and Solovair loafers, I knit my own wool sweaters and patch the elbows in my jackets when they wear down). It's strange to see this flashy new generation of conservatives ignore the actual tradition and values of these styles in favour of cheap superficial pandering to something that never really existed, only to all look the exact same (and awful at that). Highly recommend CJ the X's video on Jordan Peterson's terrible suits if you would like to hear more about the fashion aspect of this topic.
I was thinking the exact same thing. I'm a lefty who's interested in traditional masculine fashion, but that's partially because its values - wearing hand-me-downs and vintage; investing in a small number of high quality items; repairing clothes instead of replacing them; wearing natural fibers instead of synthetic - jive perfectly with my environmentalism!
@@ViVeKi03 Every little bit counts when it comes to sustainability in fashion, nobody expects you to be perfect but it is nice just to try. Maybe next time amazon is calling your name try looking on depop first? You will likely find something nicer and at least your money is going to a regular person instead of Bezos.
this is so real, knowing some old school old money people they tend to be so obsessed about the details of quality they wouldn't be caught dead looking that cheap - to the point of cliche honestly, once sat through a ten minutes speech of one humiliating her daughter for not knowing how to use the right kind of fork to eat dessert. At the same time it's not that surprising, bc conservatism has always been about glorifying a past that never existed. but now the delusional aspect is completely taking over anything to do with respect for craft and actual tradition, it's devouring itself (and the rest of the planet with it. yay!).
Observing the rise of old money aesthetics as a British woman was very uncanny. At the time, I didn’t know that young Americans were so fixated on class politics, on what almost looked like a DESIRE for a class system. I can only really speak for British class politics, but I’ve always said that the UK is more classist than it is racist and sexist. The primary driver in British society is class & so the old money aesthetic will never really take root with young British people like me because the aristocracy in this country do not mingle with the working class in significant ways. Here is it implicitly understood that the ticket to old British aristocracy is through birth, because the history of the aristocracy is the history of the country and no amount of wealth can replicate hundreds of years of history. In fact, many aristos aren’t rich at all, at least not as rich as they were in the past, and that’s still irrelevant to their old money status. Their old money status isn’t about money, it’s about true heritage. It’s about the fact that they can say their great grandfather (10x removed or something) in some grand painting commissioned by some great painter was an acolyte of the king. They have “sets” or mini societies that identify themselves by region, like the Turnip Toff who call themselves so because they’re traditionally wealthy agriculturalists who grew turnips. They recognise each other by surnames & have a coded language that you will not know because you’re not an aristocrat. They seclude themselves from society for a reason - they don’t WANT to mix with the commons. Everything about them is designed to distinguish themselves from the commons. You cannot buy your way into the aristocracy and that is intentional. You will never be able to replicate it, you can never buy it. Some aristos, especially the truly snobbish ones, even look down on American old money. I heard from a friend that some aristos also held the opinion that Charles should marry Diana because she was actually more English than Charles because the Windsors are mixed with more broadly European, so are less “English” than the Spencers who are more authentically “blue-blooded”. Some are so insular (and are sometimes the product of inbreeding) that their snobbery extends to the Royals themselves. All these families have known each other for hundreds of years, marrying amongst themselves so many European aristos are all related to each other. So in many ways, the old money aspirations of working young Americans IS a distinctly American thing , a byproduct of the “anyone can make it” ethos emblazoned in the American cultural psyche. This was the thing that made me realise in real time how political aesthetics are, because looking back now the rise of the old money aesthetic is like Edgar Allan Poe’s Rave , a harbinger and an omen of a broader turn to conservative social politics. I think it’s definitely responsible for pulling young kids into conservative politics, at least partly, and it’s not a coincidence that is what we are sort of observing with the Great Gatsby-esque party on the New York spread. If you can buy your way into the aristocracy by becoming rich, then it isn’t the aristocracy. Edit - People think I’m saying the UK isn’t racist or that it is somehow less than class. It is not. I’m saying that the function of race in British society is to serve the furthering of class divisions. It is the least flexible of the three, and presents the strongest challenge. Race was invented by white male academics who were in their time, ALSO aristocrats and that formed the foundation of their worldview - that some people are born better than others. That being better is an innate quality, a fixed one that should equate to your permanent station in life. It’s not that race is “less than”, it’s that class is almost total in society such that if we abolished race it would have little impact on the class system. ‘Republican’ here means something totally different than the US. A British Republican is someone who believes in the abolition of the monarchy and the broader aristocracy, which would obviously make us a republic. They are progressives and/or leftists. It is closer to the original concept of Republicans over in the US, before the party switch. If you openly espouse these views and gain some support, you will find out quickly how swift and brutal the British media backlash will be - the Meghan treatment. The classism extends to non-English people - English aristos even look down on Scottish/Welsh/Irish aristos, and we know that especially Ireland has a history of being oppressed themselves by the English, even after they were acknowledged as white, they were still brutalised. I understand that in the US it is relatively opposite, and that the US has far more class mobility than the UK but the dance between class and race in the UK is something that British POC have to tread carefully with and is highly nuanced and complicated. It is not as pervasive in the US as it is in many European countries so it seems less apparent than the race relations, but it is still there and is a holdover of European classism. Ambition is punished because the ethos of “anyone can make it” is an affront to the class system and a betrayal of your borne station. British racial politics is an extension OF, not separate FROM class, and I say this as a black British woman. Having POC aristos is not an achievement. They do exist and have always existed in small pockets. Even if half of them were not white, they would still be upholding a deep rooted oppressive system that is literally a millennia old. It’s not progressive at all, it’s at its root deeply classist and a lot of upper class politics is deeply classist - even non-whites like me in those circles engage in those behaviours as a method of self-distinguishing their class signifiers. They might not be happy that the UK is now multicultural (or many might be indifferent) but they’ll take that any day over a classless egalitarian REPUBLICAN society - that much is certain. They might gamble with race and gender, albeit reluctantly, but NEVER class. British class politics is very old - very old, predates even the modern capitalist system, and defines the internal social politics in a way that is difficult to articulate unless you’re born and bred here.
I went to university (in Switzerland) with someone who was distantly related to the d’Aragona and they must have told us all at least once every party. What you say is completely correct for Europe
it feels absolutely out of touch with reality to say that class matters more than race when race directly influences class, how many black or Indian people are part of English nobility? Most rich people are white and most non-white people are poor, and in fact, poorer than poor white people, race is a class division. Mrs Markle would be just as hated if she were from nobility because she still wouldn't be racially noble.
@@miminkotube …quite a lot of Indian people are part of our aristocratic society because of the Raj / the Empire. For example Rishi Sunak and his billionaire wife.
@@Ohnoitsruthio No they aren't. Sunak bragging about how "hard" his parents worked is literally evidence that they aren't. Real aristocrats don't do that. A lot of people who have attended private schools in the UK can tell you about the dividing line between people who have been doing so for generations and and the newbies. The newbies never really fit in. They make the mistake of talking about money and bragging about their achievements. They don't understand that these people don't value achievements or wealth because to them wealth is obvious and achievements are unnecessary because you just inherit everything. Sunak doesn't exactly spend a lot of time talking about his horses, does he?
I will say I do agree that when I saw the magazine cover it did kind of give me a “roaring 20s” great gatsby vibe in the way that the photos kind of give off a feeling of excess, exclusivity, and wildness. The juxtaposition of trying to exude wealth but in cheap outfits as well.
It really is just trad culture in an even later stage of capitalism. They're aping the asthetics of a time in the past that was better for people like them, thinking that the asthetics are what made life better. The sad part, which one day they hopefully figure out, is that the systems they idealize and protect are the same ones making their lives terrible and creating their need for change.
What also gets me with the kitchen party photo is just the complete lack of taste. No decor, no mood lighting. They dress up and write fake pretentious goals on a fridge and think the mood is set. That kitchen could look gorgeous and aspirational, but there's no taste.
These people will never be cool. They have a thorough lack of artistic sensibility - because that would require empathy and creativity, two things they sorely lack.
Taking pics in the kitchen is pretty weird. It's so easy to decorate a living room or den or TV room for a party. But a kitchen? The lighting's gonna be shirty and that's not where the party decor is going to be. Why take pictures in the kitchen?
the way you guys talked about the kardashians perfectly put into words what i’ve been thinking about them foreverrrr, like how in the world did kim k go from kanye west to pete davidson??? and her skin got at least three shades lighter at the same time??? there’s definitely something to that. and also i feel like ariana grande falls into the same pattern, like i love her but if you compare 2016 ari to 2024 ari, the shade difference is insane. and she got so much praise for matching nicki minaj’s aesthetic then and now she’s dressing like a delicate white woman. it’s a cultural shift for sure
God, I hate Ariana for that alone, I can't stand her music even, to me it all sounds like this chameleonic act to stablish her lack of actual identity by trying to "sound black" even. And that tan she had looked like Photoshop on her.
I actually think there’s a very good point being made here, but also one that’s very sad. I think coming out of the Obama years, people got the Idea that black people and their aesthetics were “IN” and we were progressive as a country etc etc. But unfortunately, peoples body, race, ethnicity should never be trendified in the way it was (white women getting lip fillers, BBLs, the make up, extensions, etc, bordering on race faking, or at minimum co-opting the aesthetics of women of color). Now following Trumps first term and now his second, apparently whiteness is “IN” again, and all the stolen aesthetics before aren’t cool enough anymore. I think we’re definitely back in an era of being extremely judgmental in the natural looks of people of color, especially black women. We’re at the beginning of a new resurgence of anti-blackness in particular
The shift in Ariana's image was more likely influenced by her trying to save face after all the controversies than anything else. The public is likely going to be easier on someone who presents as a delicate and gentle white woman.
Every time I see Ariana Grande promoting WIcked I get startled because to my brain it's like a woman of colour got whitewashed for a photoshoot. And then I remember she isn't a woman of colour, just cosplayed one for years.
My sister dated the heir to a big company, the family were also aristocracy in another country. They were SO cruel and possessive to their kids. Constantly belittling them whilst also dangling the carrot of inheriting the company over their heads. Aristocrats are more often than not paranoid, miserable and repressed people. Aspiring to that lifestyle is number one ironic as by design it is literally not something you can achieve - any aspiration to it is futile and number two so deeply misguided!!
the photos make these kids look like, well, kids. they look like kids playing dress up in their parents' clothes and that guy with soaked shirt spilled his apple juice. they're cosplaying wealth and glamour but they have no idea what it looks like. I've looked better in a spirit halloween wig, a hand me down dress with rhinestones hot glued to it and drugstore drag
On old money culture: I went to an elite college prep school with the wealthiest people’s children in my state. A friend flew me out on her private plane to her home in Montana my sophomore year of high school as I had a scheduling conflict with my dance competition. My parents are healthcare and real estate execs but I was poor in comparison to these kids. You would never know which kids were billionaires. These are very insulated people. Some of them even had horrible teeth and never got braces and I always thought that was so interesting. They don’t dress in logos and to this day are extremely lowkey. They obviously live fabulous lives but certainly look down upon people that flaunt new money. As my mom would say, “money talks, wealth whispers” and “these dance competition moms with their designer bags are so tacky and gauche.”
@@ville-c4u I did...and found it interesting. And within 2 hours of them posting it....17 people liked it, which means at least an order of magnitude more people read it. Your comment is just....weird. For one thing, their comment isn't even long. It's just one paragraph. Only someone with zero capacity to focus and/or literacy would find their comment to be "too long to read." You think you're making an objective statement about everyone....when in reality, you're merely telling on _yourself._ Did that truly not cross your mind?
it's so funny hearing people describe the club they were at as bougie bc i went to college near there and that club is notorious for being the place underclassmen go to underage drink
tee noir has really great coverage of this topic pertaining to the kardashians if you are interested to hear a black woman’s perspective on this aesthetic shift
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In my opinion, I already started to notice a conservative takeover with the rise of natural makeup and sad beige aesthetic. Liberalism to me is more creative, its colorful and maximalist. I believe the conservative aesthetic is skinny bodies, flat body shapes ( contrast to the rise of the bbl in the 2010s), beauty standards change and everyone is beautiful in there own way. When Liberalism became popular in the late 2000s to mid 2010s, clothing was more fun. There was fun graphic design tees and fun quirky styles, now going into richer or trendy stores all I see is sad and boring more "natural" colors.
The sad beige/all white minimalist aesthetic has kind of been around since the 2010s, maybe mid-2010s. From what I've seen, most gen zers seem to hate the style and associate it with "cringy millennials". Even if it's still around, I don't think it's considered favorable anymore, at least not by young people. I see people make fun of it all over the internet and talk about wanting more color or "whimsy" in their homes or public spaces (like the people criticising the way modern McDonald's buildings look compared to the how they looked in the 90s and 2000s, for example). Or maybe my algorithm is showing me the wrong stuff. I don't know. I think you're correct about the clothes though.
My parents grew up in the 90s when anti-consumerism was meant to be cool- grunge, wearing your dad’s plaid shirts, etc- that was the cool ‘ideal’, at least in theory. My whole life I’ve seen the complete opposite idea take over, on all sides of the political spectrum people feel a pressure more and more to appear to be ‘perfect’ consumers, seeming to be well-off and materialistic despite the fact that we all need to start consuming less because of inequality and the climate crisis. It’s a disappointing trend that speaks towards a disassociation across the board away from the real needs of our time
100% agree, we need to start a movement of underconsumption somehow because this western overconsumption mindset is really bothering me-- how prevalent it is. but i feel like such a downer pointing it out or trying to steer people away. (especially with a lot of female friends)
@@analias1983 The problem is that underconsumption was starting to have a movement, but a lot of people tried slamming it by saying, "Why are we glorifying poverty? Why do these people want to pretend to be poor? These people are so privileged to have the option and yet CHOOSE this. Many of us live this way because we have to!" as if reducing how much you buy or use something is something you should only do if you're broke or "pretending to be broke". The fact that walking instead of using a car, buying less clothes, thrifting, using reusable items, throwing less things away, etc. are seen as things only poor people should do is part of the problem. EVERYONE should do it, even those with disposable income. Also, when people say, "But that's what most people do anyway, because most people aren't rich." Yes, that's true, but the point is that it shouldn't just be normal, but also it should be aspirational, where even those who are rich still do it, where people aren't saying, "I wish we had more money so we don't have to do this. When I'm rich, I'm throwing out all my hand me downs and buying tons of clothes for myself!"
What bothers me as that some of them aren’t openly MAGA or far right but pretend to be a centrists and then they go online and spread messages that are right wing inherently but then sprinkled with some liberal talking points.
@ I guess? I’m not even American. But it’s also getting worse because now with social media it’s way easier and take less time to convince people and spread the word.
The movie and book Stepford Wives truly is eerie to watch because it’s pretty metaphorically reflective of where we are now. These tradwife conservative female influencers are a lot like Stepford Wives they all look, act, say, and wear the same things to the point it’s almost like they are robots. Stepford Wives was truly ahead of its time when you see the current state of social media and society.
"Tuxedo Society" is a what a seven-year-olds call their little secret club where they play dress-up in their parents' closets and put on fancy tea parties. I love the name so much, it's hilarious.
In middle school me and my friends started a butch "gang" where we wore ties and button ups to school and we totally would have been in a "Tuxedo Gang" if we had access to tuxedos.
True very sad indeed all my time in England, I was collecting ideas and going to these meetings with actual sticks and poking these old brown dudes and going "working class, you dipshit. " The only thing positive about Rishi though is he is the quintessential modern himbo, so that's a solid. Am not even kidding, I've never in my life expected the woman in a relationship in India say this. Rishi Sunak is apparently our first trophy husband and proud of it. What a tragedy though we got the conservatives for some reason when he said numbers are for losers.
I SO look forward to seeing this podcast. I dont usually leave comments, but I long for someone who can critique this imperfect country in an honest, down to earth way. Stay queer and near to my feed! ❤
That dress absolutely looks like shein however I finally found it and it’s worth a few hundred dollars even on sale. So I’m really happy that it looks like Shein and she absolutely overpaid for her outfit.
So, I go to SMU, and though I have never had the displeasure of running into the cover girl of this article, the majority of my school is comprised of people like her. Our nickname isn't "Southern Millionaires University" for no reason... speaking from someone who is constantly around these people, it's very scary to see irl the bubble that wealth builds around people and how they can be so nice and cordial but then espouse the most heinous views the next. And there's no appealing to their better nature because they dont think they're bad people! they just think they're normal, all-american folks who want to preserve "good values."
Great Gatsby meets the Stock Market floor moments before the crash. The lighting exposure and contrast are pre-whiteout, a literal play on the moment we've entered: a "whiteout." This image will go down in history.
The whole "bring back 2016" thing resonated so much with me. As I feel like embracing late 90s/ early 2000s emo culture is kind of my form of resistance. Shopping at thrift stores, embracing your emotions, creating art, experimenting your hair and clothes, and even androgyny for some people. These were all aspects of that culture. I look around at my peers today, and most have had the exact same wardrobe, and hairstyle, for the past 4 years. I mean, we're all only 18, and it's all already just Lululemon, light grey sweatpants, and gold jewelry. Maybe one desaturated color thrown in there.
Holy shit THAT'S WHAT IT IS. Yeah it sounds like broken Enlgish or a weird mistranslation or localisation thing. Kinda nuts to just... name your super exclusive old money LARP club that.
“But thankfully we have screen shots” killed me 😂😂😂 Also, please pitch the idea of contrapoints doing a video on the clean girl esthetic. I feel like that video would be right up her alley.
I think i was able to find that exact black and white slip dress and even worse than it being a cheap looking $18 polyester dress from shein it is a cheap looking $500 polyester dress from revolve😭😭 idk if that makes it better or worse 😭 Edit: it is the Ronny Kobo Vito Dress on the revolve website if anyone was wondering, it's on sale rn for only $349🙃
@@Aph133 As someone who makes clothing and is a bit of a freak about high quality materials, you can 100% tell the quality of an item by looking at it if you know what to look for. The dress may be $500 dollars but the fabric it was made with still probably came from the same factories that shein gets its fabric from too. I can spot expensive satin and that girl's dress ain't it. Satin does not automatically mean polyester, satin is a type of fabric the same way velvet/chiffon/denim/etc is and can be made from a variety of materials. Expensive satin is made from either cotton or silk and has nowhere near as much of a sheen under flash photography as the girl in the cover's dress does. That dress is nasty cheap polyester sold at a markup to someone who either doesn't know or doesn't care about quality materials. At least if it was shein she wouldn't have wasted her money. Nice clothing doesn't have to be expensive if you know where/how to look.
Is this a safe space to say that "clean/trad/minimalist/old money/peach/cappuccino" or WHATEVER they want to call that look is *B O R I N G* me to death??? 😢😢😢 I 100% respect a woman that chooses to look plain because she likes it but a trend to look like you're just wearing lip gloss and skin care is NOT peak expressive high fashion, come on now
I'm Italian and I used to live near Lake Como. Many very normal people live there, and many people have humble backgrounds and upbringing, since it used to be an area of farmers. This Tuxedo thing is so out of context for the average local 😂 Also, thank you for the content you put out, your perspective is always so interesting and original to me🥰
all of this cosplaying at wealth, specifically inherited wealth, makes me think of this Fall Out Boy lyric: This city always hangs a little bit lonely on me / Loose, like a kid playing pretend in his father's suit / I'd never go, I just want to be invited
why did i think this was a folie á deux lyric... no this is from the newest album!!! this sorta theme works with that album + some of the older songs too!!
One thing I noticed is references to Europe, but is all White American. I live in a western European country, no one looks like this. No one is mimicking the American Roaring 20s. Europe also sadly has a rise in fascism, but aesthetically it does not look like what the US is doing now with dyed blonde hair, fake tans, heavy make up. We have less obesity, but we don't glorify thinness like these people do. People just look more normal, average?
The usa was built on european religious zealots, when Americans got rich they come to Europe to marry our aristocracy to get the old money prestige😂. About the rise of facism in europe comes from usa copycats and most are a joke or "pretending" also in some aspects our Conservatives are quite more open compared to usa ones imo, afd leader is a lesbian for example still the next iterations can be more dangerous if they get enough power but we will see not muh we ca do unfortunately especially when the left refuse to address mass immigration
I'm only 10 minutes in but just needed to thank you for doing what you do. Amazing people like you prevented me from sliding deeper into conservatism around 10 years ago. I'm so glad I'm not in those circles anymore. Lots of love from Germany ♥ P.S. You always look stunning in your videos!
Re: Kim body-- she is Armenian, a lot of us have this exact body type that she originally had. Actually, I specifically remember being like geez, I get some representation for once and they switched from calling me fat to calling me fake right away in the media.
Yeah, except she didn’t originally look like that. So it’s ok to feel represented, if that’s what helps you sleep at night, but at the end of the day that’s not how she naturally looked. It’s pretty well documented how much she changed her body throughout the years. Just open google and dive in.
25:19 : Anyone interested in the topic of the aesthetics of wealth, old money and such can check out Contrapoints’ video Opulence, and the first third-ish of her video Envy.
Im from Germany and currently it really feels like everything you‘re talking about is happening here too, we’re just a few months behind in electing a rightwing president and thinking about the election in two weeks just makes me sick to the stomach bc I know no matter how it turns out it’s gonna be awful
never feel bad for bringing up the kardashians. whether we like it or not, they play "important" roles in all these systems and whatever theyre doing is truly fascinating and offputting. i feel i dont see enough people bringing them up in these conversations but their actions contribute alot
I always thought it was so funny, too, that conservatives talk A LOT about "thinking for themselves" and "not following the crowd," but then they all end up looking the same because what they really champion is homogeny. Any perceived differences freak them out, I think.
Matt, Taylor, and Kat, your commentary is a breath of fresh air. Somewhat relatedly to the clean girl aesthetic, all those day in the life tiktoks where a thin white woman shows off her frighteningly disciplined life where she gets up at 5 am, drinks lemon water, does yoga and a 10 step skincare routine in her pristine beige apartment, all while apparently never interacting socially with anyone at all, have always creeped me out. I think there's a real link between the emphasis on personal discipline (related: "grind," 75 hard, general fitness culture) online and the glorification of discipline and conformity in fascism. As Taylor mentioned, beauty standards have shifted to demand ever more polished perfection, and it seems like there's little celebration in mainstream culture of weirdness, flamboyance, or creativity.
I'm new to your podcast, but you truly have a way of helping me feel like there are still sane people in this world. You have a very grounding presence
@@chalkandcheese1868 Oh wow, you're doing this on multiple comments! Very impressive how much free time you have trying to provoke people into fighting with you. I'm sure you're doing great psychologically.
omg, i left a comment saying that the cover looked exactly like my own personal version of hell, and boy, the yt ppl did not like that at all. it's crazy how self centered and ego driven we are. and entitled. all the commentators were SO caught up in their feelings, it's nuts how sensitive most of us are over our skin. i think that is crazy. i'm really glad to see this conversation being had, because man, we as a yt folk culture or whatever, have to start doing a lot of talking w one another and understand we are NOT the only one's here. most of us are so lost in the sauce forever.
and i totally agree about that photo w the four young ladies. boring. that's what they want. all squares, it's disgusting and this needs to be continued to talk about it. it is valid. they use words they don't understand, and like, refuse to comprehend anything. all about being the status quo. it's so gross.
So people understand, Matt made an error at the beginning. The Jewish American author of the preppy handbook, Lisa Birnbach, is not a Republican. She was the one who suggested to E. Jean Carroll to sue Trump. She is a major critic against him. So to categorize this woman in such a light is poor reporting.
Yeah, the preppy handbook was satirical. :/ Sucks Matt made that mistake because there's actually a potentially interesting point to be made about all these 20-somethings taking it at face value.
I grew up in Dallas (and went to UT Austin), and I guess I just didn't find the aesthetic weirdness of the cover that shocking, because it's just the world I ran screaming away from as a kid back in the 80s. I remember the sorority girls buying their party dresses at Contempo Casuals (look it up if you're not Gen X)--we had fast fashion back then, too--because they didn't want to wear their Laura Ashley or Ralph Lauren to "events." It basically looks like a theme frat party, which is pretty much how these kids saw that night. I do think the contradictions between Trump's rhetoric about "chyyyna" and the kids' attachment to Asian-made fashion is hilarious. Also, for real--the only people I knew who owned the Preppy Handbook were gay boys (mostly not uncloseted yet, but later very much out).
I own the preppy handbook and it is fairly sarcastic but also cute. I bought it when it came out and yes I dressed that way…as a punk rocker in the 80’s. 😊
As soon as you said "regular viewers will know" I hoped so much it was Taylor and Kat and god loves the queers today cuz here yall are lol 🤭 I had to pause to write this, Im so excited!! Love yal!! 💜
Influencers = Petty Bourgeoisie blew my mind. It is so obvious now that you guys said it. Influencers being the Petty bourgeoisie that brings fascism to power this time around is kinda morbidly funny.
Oh I’m at the top of the episode but I’m already so excited, I go to a southern university with an absolutely massive Greek life culture and it’s so nice to hear someone actually discussing this cuz it’s scary
My mother is a dermatologist and I just want to say; if you are under the age of 40, unless you have a diagnosed skin condition (like cystic acne), YOU DO NOT NEED SKINCARE. Skin is delicate, please try to do as little to irritate it as possible, just wear your sunscreen, use a cleanser, and call it a day. Don't let capitalism try to convince you otherwise.
i have been blessed with good skin in my life. my worst acne at a single time is maybe three small pimples scattered across my face. usually i will have none or maybe one single pimple. i have always used a cetaphil cleanser and will wear a moisturizer if my skin is dry. i do not understand these people who will pile at least five different products on their face and be disappointed when their skin is still bad. how would your skin not just feel clogged? or scrubbed raw?
I thank my mom for my skincare routine. I went through puberty early on in life and got REALLY bad acne to the point that I didn't even want to come out of my room in the morning. She took the time to research and figure out all the ingredients and compounds that specifically irritate me as well as the ones that are generally bad for everyone. She eventually got me on a routine much like the one you described and I have yet to have any complaints. Now she's starting her own skincare line.
I think a lot of these people cosplaying “old money” don’t realize the over consumption of poorly made items is a dead giveaway. It’s not even quite luxury for most old money people, it’s being the highest quality and using it until it falling apart or even getting it repaired instead of replaced. The billionaires and capitalists have convinced us that we need to constantly be buying things, when they don’t live that way.
What strikes me is how extremely goal-oriented the right has been the last 4 years. They've been very aware that they were losing the youth. That most millennials and gen z were, until this election, voting liberal. Even when conservatives were at the peak of their power, young people *hated* them. There was a supposedly comforting message among liberals that at least they have the youth, at least they have the culture. That gen z will "save them." That Trump 2016 was mostly boomers. That Republicans may never get elected again. And Republicans saw all of this, and got to work. They looked at data - okay, we're behind with the youth, but what is the one demographic that is friendliest to us among the youth? Young white men. Men in general. What are men into? Podcasts, streamers, fitness, boxing, gaming, okay. Got it. We will infiltrate ALL of those spheres. We pay the people in those spaces handsomely to promote us. We will do everything we can to associate these cultural spaces with "the right." The internet isn't as closed-off as Hollywood is, so even if they don't have the movies (and they still don't), they have everything else. Social media, podcasts, influencers, streamers, athletes. A complete revival of bro culture, and of a braggadocious masculinity that isn't afraid to be loud, conservative, and selfish. Calling every cruel policy on the planet "based", so that you, too, can feel Cool, Based and Unafraid by speaking these things out loud. It doesn't matter if said policies don't actually improve your life. It's all about affect, confidence, and hating liberals. Don't you want to be a confident man? Vote Republican. It's basically an erectile dysfunction pill.
im fat as fuck due to medical reasons. its so exhausting seeing thin and hourglass cycle through while im just constantly not seen as a pretty body type. like i couldnt even afford ozempic if i got diabetes
54:44 they especially won’t be able to put on their little polyester fits to act fools when the tangerine they jut voted for will make those prices three times as expensive
I feel like a lot of the old money aesthetic came directly from Lana del Rey popularizing the hyper-feminine, “Americana,” drag racing sports cars with a cigarette hanging out of your mouth aesthetic way back in the early days of tumblr. Indie sleaze came back, but so did ED culture, 1940s-1950s aesthetic, and a shift towards idolizing strung out white women with niccotine and cocaine addictions. It’s weird.
With the tech companies siding with this machine. You should find backup hosting of your videos. Like on internet archive etc. we don’t know when they are going to take things down.
My family is pretty involved in the "New Right Scene" or whatever they're calling it nowadays, and I went to a lot of those sorts of parties when I was younger. They're very weird. Everyone is perfectly nice to you personally, but then, surprise! Every conversation has to be some 13 year old boy edgelord nonsense involving racial slurs or (on one notable occasion) being flat out told that you're the perfect housewife who isn't suited to "intellectual pursuits" because you're a woman, oh so politely, and with the expectation that you agree. They think they're the coolest shit because they wear blood diamonds and semi-ironically Nazi salute while on MDMA or ketamine, and they're mostly all some of the most boring people alive. It's....something.
My dad made a joke when he saw the picture of this and said " We called these losers Yuppies in the 80s the fuck they're bringing those losers back FUCK"
the funny thing is that the dress is actually a 600$ polyester dress from revolve but looks like a 20$ shein dress
that's properly postmodern haha
$600 for polyester is a complete scam lmao
For $600 you could've found something really nice made out of silk. Probably less than that to be honest.
Devastating
Fabric feels like something a tradyouth should know about🧐
That photo has American Psycho written all over it, and those kids are clueless.
Totally, 😆
unfortunately there's a pretty substantial sect of zoomer men and boys who think Patrick Bateman is aspirational and not satirical
@@Jess-rn5kp millennial aged men too, not just the young ones. who do you think taught the zoomers to see patrick as aspirational and not a warning?
I heard that Ivanka Trump has found Christian Bale attractive and that he has been her celebrity crush before for reasons that has to do with his portrayal of Patrick Bateman, who does actually mention both of her parents in the movie.
@@Jess-rn5kpapparently those ones don’t realize he’s a massive loser with delusions and didn’t even do any of that stuff, which is apt.
i know a lot of people have said that this is the new gilded age, and this magazine cover totally encapsulates that. a beautiful venue with cheap fashion & dreams of wealth that will never be achieved for the majority of those people
gilded with tin-foil electroplate . . .
Not only that, but influence others to be grifters as well so the machine keeps on spinning
no one is reading all of that,.
@@ville-c4uit’s 1 single paragraph. Pls. PLS.
@@ville-c4uthat says more about you than OP 😬
Maybe the "Temu Twenties".
no one is reading all of that,.
@@ville-c4u You wrote more 😂
YES
@@grilledcheese5000ville is a bot who's responded to every comment with that
Don't know why they don't just go with that- rebulicans love mass industry efficiency and exploitation sm❤
One thing I think can't be overstated is that no matter how these young influencers might *feel*, pop culture has always been on their side! Straight, white, shinny & rich has always been considered the best way to be, even at the height of the body positivity movement. I don't remember a time when people didn't use "retarded" as a casual insult for anything they don't like. Maybe they felt like culture was against them cause celebrities were posting rainbow flags on instagram, but in real life, the world was set up to make their lives as easy as possible.
Literalllllyyyyyyyyy
That is exactly it. There has never been a time where conventionally attractive cishet white people weren't at the top. It's just that for maybe a decade they were reminded that other people exist and also want rights and representation. It's the whole "when you're accustomed to privilege equality feels like oppression" thing. Coupled with classism, racism, queerphobia, etc. of course.
My theory is that they are, as usual, lying. They know this and the real issue isnt that things have changed but the *possibility* of future change.
They remind me of the violent backlash to the Reconstruction Era: the *possibility* of Black people peacefully achieving the American Dream next to their w. neighbour was *too much* of a *threat*.
Marginalised people existing/thriving IS the threat. Acknowledging that there is more than one way to be, feel and believe is the *threat*.
@@OvenFreshBread yes, exactly!
Don’t translate..
Ég elska að nauðga konum á meðan þær gráta og biðja mig um að hætta því myndböndin mín eru betri………. .
"Thin is in again" feels kinda laughable. Thin never left, thin has always been in, as a fat person, I never noticed any difference in the past decade, it was always contempt.
Healthiness can't hurt you
@@petervizzini4006 If you think thin is the same as being healthy, you're disconnected from science, and if you think contempt will make people skinny, the science actively contradicts that. Read a book.
@@petervizzini4006I kinda admire you for being unabashedly cruel to random people online in the TH-cam comments because the anonymity of your profile affords it like it’s so 2010s coded. Like who leaves comments like that
@@petervizzini4006 Thin is not healthy bro. Generally being overweight is unhealthy but so is being underweight so stop glorifying being thin by calling it "healthy"
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It' such a fascinating picture of how bad things have gotten though. Like, in the Reagan years, Reagan's most enthusiastic cheerleaders could at least afford Ralph Lauren, and to wear clothes generally made of natural fibres. Now even the people who stand to benefit from the rise of a right wing authoritarian can only afford polyester replicas of nice clothes, and all the rest of us can do is sit around in similarly cheap clothes mocking them for their garbage taste. It's like the McMansion Hell-ification of everything.
The absolute state of textiles right now ugh, yeah it's very McMansion Hell, good comparison
it's partly because fashion doesn't work the same anymore as it did back then. even pricier brands are selling glorified plastic bags for hundreds of dollars because it's a few cents cheaper in manufacturing
yup, we be living in a hella unaesthetic dystopia.
I’m not saying this is necessarily untrue, but it seems to me more of the fact that people have a greater ability to buy in excess now that we have better access to insanely cheap Chinese online markets and so people do. Of course these people would rather buy 10 different ultra cheap and trendy but ultimately shit quality clothes than maybe 3 better quality clothes for the same amount of money.
It’s essentially normalized for all of us to buy A LOT of clothes and stuff in general, to the point where we’re unaware that having all this junk is TOO MUCH.
no one is reading all of that,.
My first thought when I saw the photo of the New York mag cover was "when mom says we have gossip girl at home"
Underrated comment 😄
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Lemme like this comment so it goes to the top
Nailed it.
“Old money with a vape” is such a killer line. I loved this ep. I needed to feel petty for a minute
All of this is reminding me of the truthism that lower class Americans do not view themselves as lower class, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.
And let me tell you, LARPing as a WASP in your apartment’s kitchen is deeply embarrassing
omg....that last line leveled me. >_
a lot of my loved ones defend the billionaires who are trying to oppress them more & see being financially impoverished as a moral failing. it just broke my heart & also clicked as to why every conversation is about money. the fixation of "if you have money you can't be miserable, if i was rich then all my problems would go away." almost as a fail safe instead of coping w/ your reality
Why can't we go back to LARPing as bees where I serve my big queen bae 😩
This. We all fall into it, but a lot of people take it too far
this is why we're fucked and will never achieve class consciousness
None of this is funny to me, not even darkly amusing, just dark. We are a nation in decline, this is a new gilded age and I feel nothing but complete despair and it's radicalizing me faster than I ever have been in my entire life.
🍊 is repairing our home
@petervizzini4006 Your IP address is coming from a cluster in Belarus lol.
@@TheOutsider69 not a huge surprise there. You're right though, no pun intended, this shit is dark
Stay radicalized, but taking action is the best way to fight despair.
A few years ago I remember seeing a meme along the lines of I wish I wasn't living though a historical event right now... and yeah that's exactly how I'm feeling.
Kat & Taylor on the same episode is MY new superbowl
Thats what Im saayyyyyiiinnnggg!!!!!
What are the betting odds on which one of them makes the best joke?
Anyway, I'm still at the first five minutes and really happy to see both of them in the same episode. Love their analysis!
It would get me on the Patreon if this came out monthly
no one is reading all of that,.
MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY
Matt, I don’t know if you’ll see this comment but I want to thank you for the work you do. I am an Iranian Muslim woman who gets so much value and education from your videos which I can’t get anywhere else. You changed my mind about so many issues. I hope I can support you financially one day but till then I can only show my appreciation through words.
no one is reading all of that,.
@@ville-c4u I did
@@ville-c4u it's four sentences babe
@ville-c4u what's the point of you?
@st.parastoo Hello Iranian sister 👋🏻💛 Hope you're well and safe, sending you love and well-wishes from Germany.
ugh the Kardashians being harbingers of cultural shifts is sooo on point. the only way they maintain there status is by appealing to the broader American culture therefore, the have to be on top of cultural trends to stay relevant. such a good take.
They're the waffle house of trends
You know something is up by the way they act
Right! These are the same people who pushed the tummy teas and hair gummies.
Conservatism goes hard if you're stupid. It's easy to get into when you don't know anything about politics, and it offers a sense of community and belonging in a society where we're increasingly isolated from one another
Not only politics but science, history, just all around ignorant.
What baffles me as a person who is interested in fashion history (specifically 80s ivy league and 50s blue-collar workwear) is how little this wave of young conservatives understand about the fundamentals of the aesthetics they're parodying. I've read the preppy handbook and the one thing it advocates for most is reusing what you already have. Mending things, getting things tailored, high quality materials, hand-me-downs. The original "old money" people didn't have a tonne of disposable income (in comparison to the imagined versions of them), their wealth was tied up in property and land and stocks. They were generally not buying whole new wardrobes every season (obviously there are exceptions to this rule), even kings and queens in the past would have the fabric from old garments recycled and refashioned into new items when the trends shifted.
I dress in the real-deal versions of what these people are emulating because I appreciate versatility, quality and durability. I want my wardrobe to last a long time and be sustainable, I want to be both nicely and comfortably dressed regardless of the setting (I live in Harris Tweed blazers and Solovair loafers, I knit my own wool sweaters and patch the elbows in my jackets when they wear down). It's strange to see this flashy new generation of conservatives ignore the actual tradition and values of these styles in favour of cheap superficial pandering to something that never really existed, only to all look the exact same (and awful at that).
Highly recommend CJ the X's video on Jordan Peterson's terrible suits if you would like to hear more about the fashion aspect of this topic.
Have you ever listened to Articles of Interest? they have a 7 part series on prep. You might find it interesting.
I was thinking the exact same thing. I'm a lefty who's interested in traditional masculine fashion, but that's partially because its values - wearing hand-me-downs and vintage; investing in a small number of high quality items; repairing clothes instead of replacing them; wearing natural fibers instead of synthetic - jive perfectly with my environmentalism!
see, i admire you for sewing and mending your own clothes. that's something i would want to do but i'm lazy and amazon is in my ear
@@ViVeKi03 Every little bit counts when it comes to sustainability in fashion, nobody expects you to be perfect but it is nice just to try. Maybe next time amazon is calling your name try looking on depop first? You will likely find something nicer and at least your money is going to a regular person instead of Bezos.
this is so real, knowing some old school old money people they tend to be so obsessed about the details of quality they wouldn't be caught dead looking that cheap - to the point of cliche honestly, once sat through a ten minutes speech of one humiliating her daughter for not knowing how to use the right kind of fork to eat dessert. At the same time it's not that surprising, bc conservatism has always been about glorifying a past that never existed. but now the delusional aspect is completely taking over anything to do with respect for craft and actual tradition, it's devouring itself (and the rest of the planet with it. yay!).
Observing the rise of old money aesthetics as a British woman was very uncanny. At the time, I didn’t know that young Americans were so fixated on class politics, on what almost looked like a DESIRE for a class system. I can only really speak for British class politics, but I’ve always said that the UK is more classist than it is racist and sexist. The primary driver in British society is class & so the old money aesthetic will never really take root with young British people like me because the aristocracy in this country do not mingle with the working class in significant ways. Here is it implicitly understood that the ticket to old British aristocracy is through birth, because the history of the aristocracy is the history of the country and no amount of wealth can replicate hundreds of years of history. In fact, many aristos aren’t rich at all, at least not as rich as they were in the past, and that’s still irrelevant to their old money status. Their old money status isn’t about money, it’s about true heritage. It’s about the fact that they can say their great grandfather (10x removed or something) in some grand painting commissioned by some great painter was an acolyte of the king. They have “sets” or mini societies that identify themselves by region, like the Turnip Toff who call themselves so because they’re traditionally wealthy agriculturalists who grew turnips. They recognise each other by surnames & have a coded language that you will not know because you’re not an aristocrat. They seclude themselves from society for a reason - they don’t WANT to mix with the commons. Everything about them is designed to distinguish themselves from the commons. You cannot buy your way into the aristocracy and that is intentional. You will never be able to replicate it, you can never buy it. Some aristos, especially the truly snobbish ones, even look down on American old money. I heard from a friend that some aristos also held the opinion that Charles should marry Diana because she was actually more English than Charles because the Windsors are mixed with more broadly European, so are less “English” than the Spencers who are more authentically “blue-blooded”. Some are so insular (and are sometimes the product of inbreeding) that their snobbery extends to the Royals themselves. All these families have known each other for hundreds of years, marrying amongst themselves so many European aristos are all related to each other. So in many ways, the old money aspirations of working young Americans IS a distinctly American thing , a byproduct of the “anyone can make it” ethos emblazoned in the American cultural psyche. This was the thing that made me realise in real time how political aesthetics are, because looking back now the rise of the old money aesthetic is like Edgar Allan Poe’s Rave , a harbinger and an omen of a broader turn to conservative social politics. I think it’s definitely responsible for pulling young kids into conservative politics, at least partly, and it’s not a coincidence that is what we are sort of observing with the Great Gatsby-esque party on the New York spread. If you can buy your way into the aristocracy by becoming rich, then it isn’t the aristocracy.
Edit - People think I’m saying the UK isn’t racist or that it is somehow less than class. It is not. I’m saying that the function of race in British society is to serve the furthering of class divisions. It is the least flexible of the three, and presents the strongest challenge. Race was invented by white male academics who were in their time, ALSO aristocrats and that formed the foundation of their worldview - that some people are born better than others. That being better is an innate quality, a fixed one that should equate to your permanent station in life. It’s not that race is “less than”, it’s that class is almost total in society such that if we abolished race it would have little impact on the class system. ‘Republican’ here means something totally different than the US. A British Republican is someone who believes in the abolition of the monarchy and the broader aristocracy, which would obviously make us a republic. They are progressives and/or leftists. It is closer to the original concept of Republicans over in the US, before the party switch. If you openly espouse these views and gain some support, you will find out quickly how swift and brutal the British media backlash will be - the Meghan treatment. The classism extends to non-English people - English aristos even look down on Scottish/Welsh/Irish aristos, and we know that especially Ireland has a history of being oppressed themselves by the English, even after they were acknowledged as white, they were still brutalised. I understand that in the US it is relatively opposite, and that the US has far more class mobility than the UK but the dance between class and race in the UK is something that British POC have to tread carefully with and is highly nuanced and complicated. It is not as pervasive in the US as it is in many European countries so it seems less apparent than the race relations, but it is still there and is a holdover of European classism. Ambition is punished because the ethos of “anyone can make it” is an affront to the class system and a betrayal of your borne station. British racial politics is an extension OF, not separate FROM class, and I say this as a black British woman. Having POC aristos is not an achievement. They do exist and have always existed in small pockets. Even if half of them were not white, they would still be upholding a deep rooted oppressive system that is literally a millennia old. It’s not progressive at all, it’s at its root deeply classist and a lot of upper class politics is deeply classist - even non-whites like me in those circles engage in those behaviours as a method of self-distinguishing their class signifiers. They might not be happy that the UK is now multicultural (or many might be indifferent) but they’ll take that any day over a classless egalitarian REPUBLICAN society - that much is certain. They might gamble with race and gender, albeit reluctantly, but NEVER class. British class politics is very old - very old, predates even the modern capitalist system, and defines the internal social politics in a way that is difficult to articulate unless you’re born and bred here.
Truth.
I went to university (in Switzerland) with someone who was distantly related to the d’Aragona and they must have told us all at least once every party. What you say is completely correct for Europe
it feels absolutely out of touch with reality to say that class matters more than race when race directly influences class, how many black or Indian people are part of English nobility? Most rich people are white and most non-white people are poor, and in fact, poorer than poor white people, race is a class division. Mrs Markle would be just as hated if she were from nobility because she still wouldn't be racially noble.
@@miminkotube …quite a lot of Indian people are part of our aristocratic society because of the Raj / the Empire. For example Rishi Sunak and his billionaire wife.
@@Ohnoitsruthio No they aren't. Sunak bragging about how "hard" his parents worked is literally evidence that they aren't. Real aristocrats don't do that. A lot of people who have attended private schools in the UK can tell you about the dividing line between people who have been doing so for generations and and the newbies. The newbies never really fit in. They make the mistake of talking about money and bragging about their achievements. They don't understand that these people don't value achievements or wealth because to them wealth is obvious and achievements are unnecessary because you just inherit everything. Sunak doesn't exactly spend a lot of time talking about his horses, does he?
Khadija Mbowe recently predicted that Kim K will soon (very publicly) date a conservative politician or tech bro. I can totally see it.
Is she still working on her law degree and getting licensed to practice? Is she still interested in promoting criminal justice reform? I’m curious
I love Khadija
I will say I do agree that when I saw the magazine cover it did kind of give me a “roaring 20s” great gatsby vibe in the way that the photos kind of give off a feeling of excess, exclusivity, and wildness. The juxtaposition of trying to exude wealth but in cheap outfits as well.
It really is just trad culture in an even later stage of capitalism. They're aping the asthetics of a time in the past that was better for people like them, thinking that the asthetics are what made life better. The sad part, which one day they hopefully figure out, is that the systems they idealize and protect are the same ones making their lives terrible and creating their need for change.
YES. Thats a very specific oddness, the alluding to wealth but not with necessarily well made clothing. Not that Im judging on that alone
29:00 but really at this point feels like you guys envy, like what’s the point so far. Yeah this have no class and they are fascists. What’s new ?
Or alternately, the that photo from the Shining albeit a bit more rowdy looking.
no one is reading all of that,.
What also gets me with the kitchen party photo is just the complete lack of taste. No decor, no mood lighting. They dress up and write fake pretentious goals on a fridge and think the mood is set. That kitchen could look gorgeous and aspirational, but there's no taste.
yess it was giving office kitchen imo
These people will never be cool. They have a thorough lack of artistic sensibility - because that would require empathy and creativity, two things they sorely lack.
The thing I took the most about that pic is how 50% of the people in it are actually Black.
Taking pics in the kitchen is pretty weird. It's so easy to decorate a living room or den or TV room for a party. But a kitchen? The lighting's gonna be shirty and that's not where the party decor is going to be. Why take pictures in the kitchen?
the way you guys talked about the kardashians perfectly put into words what i’ve been thinking about them foreverrrr, like how in the world did kim k go from kanye west to pete davidson??? and her skin got at least three shades lighter at the same time??? there’s definitely something to that. and also i feel like ariana grande falls into the same pattern, like i love her but if you compare 2016 ari to 2024 ari, the shade difference is insane. and she got so much praise for matching nicki minaj’s aesthetic then and now she’s dressing like a delicate white woman. it’s a cultural shift for sure
God, I hate Ariana for that alone, I can't stand her music even, to me it all sounds like this chameleonic act to stablish her lack of actual identity by trying to "sound black" even.
And that tan she had looked like Photoshop on her.
I actually think there’s a very good point being made here, but also one that’s very sad. I think coming out of the Obama years, people got the Idea that black people and their aesthetics were “IN” and we were progressive as a country etc etc. But unfortunately, peoples body, race, ethnicity should never be trendified in the way it was (white women getting lip fillers, BBLs, the make up, extensions, etc, bordering on race faking, or at minimum co-opting the aesthetics of women of color). Now following Trumps first term and now his second, apparently whiteness is “IN” again, and all the stolen aesthetics before aren’t cool enough anymore. I think we’re definitely back in an era of being extremely judgmental in the natural looks of people of color, especially black women. We’re at the beginning of a new resurgence of anti-blackness in particular
The shift in Ariana's image was more likely influenced by her trying to save face after all the controversies than anything else. The public is likely going to be easier on someone who presents as a delicate and gentle white woman.
Every time I see Ariana Grande promoting WIcked I get startled because to my brain it's like a woman of colour got whitewashed for a photoshoot. And then I remember she isn't a woman of colour, just cosplayed one for years.
My sister dated the heir to a big company, the family were also aristocracy in another country. They were SO cruel and possessive to their kids. Constantly belittling them whilst also dangling the carrot of inheriting the company over their heads. Aristocrats are more often than not paranoid, miserable and repressed people. Aspiring to that lifestyle is number one ironic as by design it is literally not something you can achieve - any aspiration to it is futile and number two so deeply misguided!!
"Nothing says Old Money like a whiteboard in your kitchen that says 'Secure the bag'!" Ah yes. Old Money would have a whiteboard saying "Bag secure.'
the photos make these kids look like, well, kids. they look like kids playing dress up in their parents' clothes and that guy with soaked shirt spilled his apple juice. they're cosplaying wealth and glamour but they have no idea what it looks like. I've looked better in a spirit halloween wig, a hand me down dress with rhinestones hot glued to it and drugstore drag
I'd bet your outfit would be 1000% times more interesting than these shein-donning morons
On old money culture: I went to an elite college prep school with the wealthiest people’s children in my state. A friend flew me out on her private plane to her home in Montana my sophomore year of high school as I had a scheduling conflict with my dance competition. My parents are healthcare and real estate execs but I was poor in comparison to these kids. You would never know which kids were billionaires. These are very insulated people. Some of them even had horrible teeth and never got braces and I always thought that was so interesting. They don’t dress in logos and to this day are extremely lowkey. They obviously live fabulous lives but certainly look down upon people that flaunt new money. As my mom would say, “money talks, wealth whispers” and “these dance competition moms with their designer bags are so tacky and gauche.”
no one is reading all of that,.
@@ville-c4u I did...and found it interesting. And within 2 hours of them posting it....17 people liked it, which means at least an order of magnitude more people read it.
Your comment is just....weird. For one thing, their comment isn't even long. It's just one paragraph. Only someone with zero capacity to focus and/or literacy would find their comment to be "too long to read." You think you're making an objective statement about everyone....when in reality, you're merely telling on _yourself._ Did that truly not cross your mind?
@@avedicThat person appears to be posting the same comment under every thoughtful comment I’ve read so far. It’s weird.
@@ville-c4u why do you feel the need to post this?
@@Jaylade bot with negative intentions, don’t engage, they are looking for that, don’t reply
it's so funny hearing people describe the club they were at as bougie bc i went to college near there and that club is notorious for being the place underclassmen go to underage drink
tee noir has really great coverage of this topic pertaining to the kardashians if you are interested to hear a black woman’s perspective on this aesthetic shift
On TH-cam? Where?
@@fozziebeansearch “tee noir kardashian”
@@fozziebean th-cam.com/video/d1-uh-ADzDE/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygUUdGVlIG5vaXIga2FyZGFzaGlhbnM%3D and th-cam.com/video/yoGQynxSbos/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygUUdGVlIG5vaXIga2FyZGFzaGlhbnM%3D
The Tuxedo Society should be about tuxedo cats and tuxedo cats only.
I've got a tuxedo cat sleeping on my lap rn!!
@@papa_nu_guinea_pig04 so you're already a member of the Tuxedo Society! You're so lucky
🤍🖤🤍🖤😸🖤🤍🖤🤍
In my opinion, I already started to notice a conservative takeover with the rise of natural makeup and sad beige aesthetic. Liberalism to me is more creative, its colorful and maximalist. I believe the conservative aesthetic is skinny bodies, flat body shapes ( contrast to the rise of the bbl in the 2010s), beauty standards change and everyone is beautiful in there own way. When Liberalism became popular in the late 2000s to mid 2010s, clothing was more fun. There was fun graphic design tees and fun quirky styles, now going into richer or trendy stores all I see is sad and boring more "natural" colors.
Yes, the shift in fashion styles/trends/aesthetics and the relation to politics is so fascinating.
The sad beige/all white minimalist aesthetic has kind of been around since the 2010s, maybe mid-2010s. From what I've seen, most gen zers seem to hate the style and associate it with "cringy millennials". Even if it's still around, I don't think it's considered favorable anymore, at least not by young people. I see people make fun of it all over the internet and talk about wanting more color or "whimsy" in their homes or public spaces (like the people criticising the way modern McDonald's buildings look compared to the how they looked in the 90s and 2000s, for example).
Or maybe my algorithm is showing me the wrong stuff. I don't know.
I think you're correct about the clothes though.
College men have all moved their Tucker Carlson shrine from the basement to the frat dance room.
0:15 girl you do NOT look like you're closeted💀
See though closet
Thank the heavens!
closet is open
He suffers from SSA but has a girlfriend that understands him (pls someone get the reference)
My parents grew up in the 90s when anti-consumerism was meant to be cool- grunge, wearing your dad’s plaid shirts, etc- that was the cool ‘ideal’, at least in theory.
My whole life I’ve seen the complete opposite idea take over, on all sides of the political spectrum people feel a pressure more and more to appear to be ‘perfect’ consumers, seeming to be well-off and materialistic despite the fact that we all need to start consuming less because of inequality and the climate crisis. It’s a disappointing trend that speaks towards a disassociation across the board away from the real needs of our time
100% agree, we need to start a movement of underconsumption somehow because this western overconsumption mindset is really bothering me-- how prevalent it is. but i feel like such a downer pointing it out or trying to steer people away. (especially with a lot of female friends)
@@analias1983 The problem is that underconsumption was starting to have a movement, but a lot of people tried slamming it by saying, "Why are we glorifying poverty? Why do these people want to pretend to be poor? These people are so privileged to have the option and yet CHOOSE this. Many of us live this way because we have to!" as if reducing how much you buy or use something is something you should only do if you're broke or "pretending to be broke". The fact that walking instead of using a car, buying less clothes, thrifting, using reusable items, throwing less things away, etc. are seen as things only poor people should do is part of the problem. EVERYONE should do it, even those with disposable income.
Also, when people say, "But that's what most people do anyway, because most people aren't rich." Yes, that's true, but the point is that it shouldn't just be normal, but also it should be aspirational, where even those who are rich still do it, where people aren't saying, "I wish we had more money so we don't have to do this. When I'm rich, I'm throwing out all my hand me downs and buying tons of clothes for myself!"
What bothers me as that some of them aren’t openly MAGA or far right but pretend to be a centrists and then they go online and spread messages that are right wing inherently but then sprinkled with some liberal talking points.
Uh.. yeah. Thats how conservatism has been operating for the past 30 years. Duh.?
@ I guess? I’m not even American.
But it’s also getting worse because now with social media it’s way easier and take less time to convince people and spread the word.
I'm dead at Taylor reading the puckering on the lace bustier
The movie and book Stepford Wives truly is eerie to watch because it’s pretty metaphorically reflective of where we are now. These tradwife conservative female influencers are a lot like Stepford Wives they all look, act, say, and wear the same things to the point it’s almost like they are robots. Stepford Wives was truly ahead of its time when you see the current state of social media and society.
"Tuxedo Society" is a what a seven-year-olds call their little secret club where they play dress-up in their parents' closets and put on fancy tea parties. I love the name so much, it's hilarious.
It's just like the kid in Bojack Horseman, pretending to be an adult and saying that he works at the "business factory".
In middle school me and my friends started a butch "gang" where we wore ties and button ups to school and we totally would have been in a "Tuxedo Gang" if we had access to tuxedos.
The sad thing is they’re more than likely wearing 400 polyester Revolve dresses…
True very sad indeed all my time in England, I was collecting ideas and going to these meetings with actual sticks and poking these old brown dudes and going "working class, you dipshit. " The only thing positive about Rishi though is he is the quintessential modern himbo, so that's a solid. Am not even kidding, I've never in my life expected the woman in a relationship in India say this. Rishi Sunak is apparently our first trophy husband and proud of it. What a tragedy though we got the conservatives for some reason when he said numbers are for losers.
I can't get over how CHEAP it all looks. Shein polyester presidency. Y'all nailed it.
I SO look forward to seeing this podcast. I dont usually leave comments, but I long for someone who can critique this imperfect country in an honest, down to earth way. Stay queer and near to my feed! ❤
That dress absolutely looks like shein however I finally found it and it’s worth a few hundred dollars even on sale. So I’m really happy that it looks like Shein and she absolutely overpaid for her outfit.
In this day and age, when it comes to clothinh, money doesn't always buy quality.
where is the dress from?
So, I go to SMU, and though I have never had the displeasure of running into the cover girl of this article, the majority of my school is comprised of people like her. Our nickname isn't "Southern Millionaires University" for no reason... speaking from someone who is constantly around these people, it's very scary to see irl the bubble that wealth builds around people and how they can be so nice and cordial but then espouse the most heinous views the next. And there's no appealing to their better nature because they dont think they're bad people! they just think they're normal, all-american folks who want to preserve "good values."
As a ballet dancer I will fight tooth and nail if needed to keep balletcore from getting us associated with Trump of all people
I think there is only so much you can do about that. Still, it is worth trying.
Great Gatsby meets the Stock Market floor moments before the crash. The lighting exposure and contrast are pre-whiteout, a literal play on the moment we've entered: a "whiteout." This image will go down in history.
The whole "bring back 2016" thing resonated so much with me. As I feel like embracing late 90s/ early 2000s emo culture is kind of my form of resistance. Shopping at thrift stores, embracing your emotions, creating art, experimenting your hair and clothes, and even androgyny for some people. These were all aspects of that culture. I look around at my peers today, and most have had the exact same wardrobe, and hairstyle, for the past 4 years. I mean, we're all only 18, and it's all already just Lululemon, light grey sweatpants, and gold jewelry. Maybe one desaturated color thrown in there.
Omg thrift shops mentioneddd slayyyy! I can't shop anymore lately since my closet is full 😭😭 I would like to change my habits tho
Tuxedo Society sounds like some underground Villain-esc Organizasion from an 80s Anime.
Holy shit THAT'S WHAT IT IS. Yeah it sounds like broken Enlgish or a weird mistranslation or localisation thing. Kinda nuts to just... name your super exclusive old money LARP club that.
Tuxedo Mask from Sailor Moon has been real quite since this dropped
@@mjacwestmy thought process
Matt your makeup always looks sooo pretty. Very delicate!!
Yessss 💚
This styling is very suburban local rich girl type of fashion. Its not new at all. That's what every Christian high school formal looks like
Yeah it kinda just looks like my 2010 senior class lol
“But thankfully we have screen shots” killed me 😂😂😂
Also, please pitch the idea of contrapoints doing a video on the clean girl esthetic. I feel like that video would be right up her alley.
I think i was able to find that exact black and white slip dress and even worse than it being a cheap looking $18 polyester dress from shein it is a cheap looking $500 polyester dress from revolve😭😭 idk if that makes it better or worse 😭
Edit: it is the Ronny Kobo Vito Dress on the revolve website if anyone was wondering, it's on sale rn for only $349🙃
@@Aph133 so its overpriced plastic.
@@Jaylade overpriced plastic or not, assuming its SHEIN was crazy to me
@@Aph133 As someone who makes clothing and is a bit of a freak about high quality materials, you can 100% tell the quality of an item by looking at it if you know what to look for. The dress may be $500 dollars but the fabric it was made with still probably came from the same factories that shein gets its fabric from too. I can spot expensive satin and that girl's dress ain't it. Satin does not automatically mean polyester, satin is a type of fabric the same way velvet/chiffon/denim/etc is and can be made from a variety of materials. Expensive satin is made from either cotton or silk and has nowhere near as much of a sheen under flash photography as the girl in the cover's dress does. That dress is nasty cheap polyester sold at a markup to someone who either doesn't know or doesn't care about quality materials. At least if it was shein she wouldn't have wasted her money. Nice clothing doesn't have to be expensive if you know where/how to look.
Bruh for +200 they coulda got teuta matoshi or selkie 😭 tf lol
Is this a safe space to say that "clean/trad/minimalist/old money/peach/cappuccino" or WHATEVER they want to call that look is *B O R I N G* me to death??? 😢😢😢 I 100% respect a woman that chooses to look plain because she likes it but a trend to look like you're just wearing lip gloss and skin care is NOT peak expressive high fashion, come on now
fully agree, i hate the mainstream style nowadays
For someone who love indie sleaze and alternative underground culture, this is new trend is sick 🤢
That New York magazine photo is giving me "Overlook Hotel, July 4th Ball, 1921" vibes
“Coastal grandma” girl that’s racist white old lady aesthetic😭😭😭😭
Lololol
I personally hate that aesthetic. It's very overrated and boring. So plain and uninteresting. I don't know why so many people like it.
“One time a photo of my dishwasher went viral”- is a sentence i never thought i would ever hear
I'm Italian and I used to live near Lake Como. Many very normal people live there, and many people have humble backgrounds and upbringing, since it used to be an area of farmers. This Tuxedo thing is so out of context for the average local 😂
Also, thank you for the content you put out, your perspective is always so interesting and original to me🥰
Crap! We need a new lake metaphor!
@fozziebean AHAHAHA
all of this cosplaying at wealth, specifically inherited wealth, makes me think of this Fall Out Boy lyric: This city always hangs a little bit lonely on me / Loose, like a kid playing pretend in his father's suit / I'd never go, I just want to be invited
loveee FOB
no one is reading all of that,.
@@ville-c4u bestie boots, it is two sentences
why did i think this was a folie á deux lyric... no this is from the newest album!!! this sorta theme works with that album + some of the older songs too!!
@retro_aqua_ folie is my FAVE album of theirs. It was underrated for so long but finally starting to get it’s flowers thankfully
One thing I noticed is references to Europe, but is all White American. I live in a western European country, no one looks like this. No one is mimicking the American Roaring 20s. Europe also sadly has a rise in fascism, but aesthetically it does not look like what the US is doing now with dyed blonde hair, fake tans, heavy make up. We have less obesity, but we don't glorify thinness like these people do. People just look more normal, average?
The usa was built on european religious zealots, when Americans got rich they come to Europe to marry our aristocracy to get the old money prestige😂.
About the rise of facism in europe comes from usa copycats and most are a joke or "pretending" also in some aspects our Conservatives are quite more open compared to usa ones imo, afd leader is a lesbian for example still the next iterations can be more dangerous if they get enough power but we will see not muh we ca do unfortunately especially when the left refuse to address mass immigration
I'm only 10 minutes in but just needed to thank you for doing what you do. Amazing people like you prevented me from sliding deeper into conservatism around 10 years ago. I'm so glad I'm not in those circles anymore. Lots of love from Germany ♥ P.S. You always look stunning in your videos!
Re: Kim body-- she is Armenian, a lot of us have this exact body type that she originally had. Actually, I specifically remember being like geez, I get some representation for once and they switched from calling me fat to calling me fake right away in the media.
no one is reading all of that,.
@@ville-c4uwhat the hell? It’s like three sentences. Sounds like a you problem.
@DrDroog29 it's a troll bot
Yeah, except she didn’t originally look like that. So it’s ok to feel represented, if that’s what helps you sleep at night, but at the end of the day that’s not how she naturally looked. It’s pretty well documented how much she changed her body throughout the years. Just open google and dive in.
exactly...she's half asian but she still has white privilege
25:19 : Anyone interested in the topic of the aesthetics of wealth, old money and such can check out Contrapoints’ video Opulence, and the first third-ish of her video Envy.
Im from Germany and currently it really feels like everything you‘re talking about is happening here too, we’re just a few months behind in electing a rightwing president and thinking about the election in two weeks just makes me sick to the stomach bc I know no matter how it turns out it’s gonna be awful
Ich hoffe nicht 😔
Taylor going ‘WOMP WOMP’ brought me so much joy
never feel bad for bringing up the kardashians. whether we like it or not, they play "important" roles in all these systems and whatever theyre doing is truly fascinating and offputting. i feel i dont see enough people bringing them up in these conversations but their actions contribute alot
I always thought it was so funny, too, that conservatives talk A LOT about "thinking for themselves" and "not following the crowd," but then they all end up looking the same because what they really champion is homogeny. Any perceived differences freak them out, I think.
The only kind of “trad” I want is trad goth
Yesss 🖤🖤🖤
honey my show is on! ✨️
“Did they not finish the Great Gatsby?” Thank you for saying it so I didn’t have to.
Matt, Taylor, and Kat, your commentary is a breath of fresh air. Somewhat relatedly to the clean girl aesthetic, all those day in the life tiktoks where a thin white woman shows off her frighteningly disciplined life where she gets up at 5 am, drinks lemon water, does yoga and a 10 step skincare routine in her pristine beige apartment, all while apparently never interacting socially with anyone at all, have always creeped me out. I think there's a real link between the emphasis on personal discipline (related: "grind," 75 hard, general fitness culture) online and the glorification of discipline and conformity in fascism. As Taylor mentioned, beauty standards have shifted to demand ever more polished perfection, and it seems like there's little celebration in mainstream culture of weirdness, flamboyance, or creativity.
THE DREAM CROSSOVER IS FINALLY A REALITY !!
I'm new to your podcast, but you truly have a way of helping me feel like there are still sane people in this world. You have a very grounding presence
You can teach hate, but you can never teach taste!
Calling young people at a party Nazis? You mean that kind of hate?
@@chalkandcheese1868well they support the same ideals as them so well….
@@gina-zb9ye I suggest you read a few books on the history of World War II before you make such a ridiculous claim.
@@chalkandcheese1868 Oh wow, you're doing this on multiple comments! Very impressive how much free time you have trying to provoke people into fighting with you. I'm sure you're doing great psychologically.
Or taste teach please refrain from activities known to cause prion buildup!
The hustle grindset bros also cosplay, they rent villas for a day to make "im a millionaire" content and usually make money off pyramid schemes
omg, i left a comment saying that the cover looked exactly like my own personal version of hell, and boy, the yt ppl did not like that at all. it's crazy how self centered and ego driven we are. and entitled. all the commentators were SO caught up in their feelings, it's nuts how sensitive most of us are over our skin. i think that is crazy. i'm really glad to see this conversation being had, because man, we as a yt folk culture or whatever, have to start doing a lot of talking w one another and understand we are NOT the only one's here. most of us are so lost in the sauce forever.
ugh, and the rest of those photos in the mag just confirms my statement to be true. so gross.
and i totally agree about that photo w the four young ladies. boring. that's what they want. all squares, it's disgusting and this needs to be continued to talk about it. it is valid. they use words they don't understand, and like, refuse to comprehend anything. all about being the status quo. it's so gross.
@@gloomcookie023Why just because they didn't look like you?
@ huh?
@@gloomcookie023 Having trouble reading there?
So people understand, Matt made an error at the beginning. The Jewish American author of the preppy handbook, Lisa Birnbach, is not a Republican. She was the one who suggested to E. Jean Carroll to sue Trump. She is a major critic against him. So to categorize this woman in such a light is poor reporting.
Yeah, the preppy handbook was satirical. :/ Sucks Matt made that mistake because there's actually a potentially interesting point to be made about all these 20-somethings taking it at face value.
your podcast is always so validating while this world is feeling unhinged. love that you had both kat and taylor on for this!
I grew up in Dallas (and went to UT Austin), and I guess I just didn't find the aesthetic weirdness of the cover that shocking, because it's just the world I ran screaming away from as a kid back in the 80s. I remember the sorority girls buying their party dresses at Contempo Casuals (look it up if you're not Gen X)--we had fast fashion back then, too--because they didn't want to wear their Laura Ashley or Ralph Lauren to "events." It basically looks like a theme frat party, which is pretty much how these kids saw that night. I do think the contradictions between Trump's rhetoric about "chyyyna" and the kids' attachment to Asian-made fashion is hilarious. Also, for real--the only people I knew who owned the Preppy Handbook were gay boys (mostly not uncloseted yet, but later very much out).
I own the preppy handbook and it is fairly sarcastic but also cute. I bought it when it came out and yes I dressed that way…as a punk rocker in the 80’s. 😊
As soon as you said "regular viewers will know" I hoped so much it was Taylor and Kat and god loves the queers today cuz here yall are lol 🤭 I had to pause to write this, Im so excited!!
Love yal!! 💜
Immediately thought of The Shining from that photo and we all know what Jack was like. The foreboding from this photo is so scary.
Influencers = Petty Bourgeoisie blew my mind. It is so obvious now that you guys said it. Influencers being the Petty bourgeoisie that brings fascism to power this time around is kinda morbidly funny.
"My dishwasher went viral on reddit" Should be her memoir title
Oh I’m at the top of the episode but I’m already so excited, I go to a southern university with an absolutely massive Greek life culture and it’s so nice to hear someone actually discussing this cuz it’s scary
My mother is a dermatologist and I just want to say; if you are under the age of 40, unless you have a diagnosed skin condition (like cystic acne), YOU DO NOT NEED SKINCARE. Skin is delicate, please try to do as little to irritate it as possible, just wear your sunscreen, use a cleanser, and call it a day. Don't let capitalism try to convince you otherwise.
i have been blessed with good skin in my life. my worst acne at a single time is maybe three small pimples scattered across my face. usually i will have none or maybe one single pimple. i have always used a cetaphil cleanser and will wear a moisturizer if my skin is dry. i do not understand these people who will pile at least five different products on their face and be disappointed when their skin is still bad. how would your skin not just feel clogged? or scrubbed raw?
I thank my mom for my skincare routine. I went through puberty early on in life and got REALLY bad acne to the point that I didn't even want to come out of my room in the morning. She took the time to research and figure out all the ingredients and compounds that specifically irritate me as well as the ones that are generally bad for everyone. She eventually got me on a routine much like the one you described and I have yet to have any complaints. Now she's starting her own skincare line.
I know i dont need skincare. I want it
@@poisonousiodine1769and why?
@@bernjobivery jealous.. I’m 38 and REGULARLY get deep. painful, scarring pimples. Jfc I’m so tired of bad skin. It feels so unfair.
your long pods are always such a pleasure to listen to, love the guests too
I think a lot of these people cosplaying “old money” don’t realize the over consumption of poorly made items is a dead giveaway. It’s not even quite luxury for most old money people, it’s being the highest quality and using it until it falling apart or even getting it repaired instead of replaced.
The billionaires and capitalists have convinced us that we need to constantly be buying things, when they don’t live that way.
Thanks for talking about this. I see people like this at my university ALL the time. It needs to be discussed!
What strikes me is how extremely goal-oriented the right has been the last 4 years. They've been very aware that they were losing the youth. That most millennials and gen z were, until this election, voting liberal. Even when conservatives were at the peak of their power, young people *hated* them. There was a supposedly comforting message among liberals that at least they have the youth, at least they have the culture. That gen z will "save them." That Trump 2016 was mostly boomers. That Republicans may never get elected again. And Republicans saw all of this, and got to work. They looked at data - okay, we're behind with the youth, but what is the one demographic that is friendliest to us among the youth? Young white men. Men in general. What are men into? Podcasts, streamers, fitness, boxing, gaming, okay. Got it. We will infiltrate ALL of those spheres. We pay the people in those spaces handsomely to promote us. We will do everything we can to associate these cultural spaces with "the right." The internet isn't as closed-off as Hollywood is, so even if they don't have the movies (and they still don't), they have everything else. Social media, podcasts, influencers, streamers, athletes. A complete revival of bro culture, and of a braggadocious masculinity that isn't afraid to be loud, conservative, and selfish. Calling every cruel policy on the planet "based", so that you, too, can feel Cool, Based and Unafraid by speaking these things out loud. It doesn't matter if said policies don't actually improve your life. It's all about affect, confidence, and hating liberals. Don't you want to be a confident man? Vote Republican. It's basically an erectile dysfunction pill.
To be fair, the left wasnt exactly making things better
@@petervizzini4006 it was a bit
@@ferideylmaz6114 No, it wasnt
@@petervizzini4006Explain what you mean.
im fat as fuck due to medical reasons. its so exhausting seeing thin and hourglass cycle through while im just constantly not seen as a pretty body type. like i couldnt even afford ozempic if i got diabetes
How dare people be thin and healthy
@@chalkandcheese1868 F tier bait. Hang it up buddy, you're bad at this.
Even if I had the money for it, Ozempic scares me. I have digestive issues and I'm sure that if I tried it, they would just get worse.
mid to late 2000s bar mitzvah fashion is all i see
put this on in the background for gaming but I heard Kat's voice and my head turned so fast I nearly snapped my neck. mother is mothering as always
54:44 they especially won’t be able to put on their little polyester fits to act fools when the tangerine they jut voted for will make those prices three times as expensive
I went onto the LeopardsAteMyFace subreddit, hoping to feel some Scheudenfreude...instead I just felt sad for all these people who've been tricked.
18:13 OMG, it's so eerie to see all the photos of them lined up like that, giving fem-bot
Euuuwwww white people, TOGETHER IN A PHOTO, hideous
I feel like a lot of the old money aesthetic came directly from Lana del Rey popularizing the hyper-feminine, “Americana,” drag racing sports cars with a cigarette hanging out of your mouth aesthetic way back in the early days of tumblr. Indie sleaze came back, but so did ED culture, 1940s-1950s aesthetic, and a shift towards idolizing strung out white women with niccotine and cocaine addictions. It’s weird.
Im studying the roaring twenties rn and reading the great gatsby rn and oml not them saying the roaring twenties is back like what are they ON
People are looking at conservatism as a status symbol, because everyone assumes that if you’re conservative, you must be rich and privileged
With the tech companies siding with this machine. You should find backup hosting of your videos. Like on internet archive etc. we don’t know when they are going to take things down.
Matt when are you gonna make a bluesky? I wanna see all of these takes on my feed instead of having to hear them from a video! TT
47:45 wait, are you saying the Kardashians, the people who rose to fane on the OJ Simpson trial, may be monstrous?
My family is pretty involved in the "New Right Scene" or whatever they're calling it nowadays, and I went to a lot of those sorts of parties when I was younger. They're very weird. Everyone is perfectly nice to you personally, but then, surprise! Every conversation has to be some 13 year old boy edgelord nonsense involving racial slurs or (on one notable occasion) being flat out told that you're the perfect housewife who isn't suited to "intellectual pursuits" because you're a woman, oh so politely, and with the expectation that you agree. They think they're the coolest shit because they wear blood diamonds and semi-ironically Nazi salute while on MDMA or ketamine, and they're mostly all some of the most boring people alive. It's....something.
My dad made a joke when he saw the picture of this and said " We called these losers Yuppies in the 80s the fuck they're bringing those losers back FUCK"
It makes total sense cause Trump is a product of THAT era