They haven't realize how good it is yet because it's still bad💀💀💀 Fr they give zilong a 30 bonus damage just to remove 20% of his attack speed, moonton can't give zilong something without nerfing something on him
I think this is because of how the EXP lane META shifted from DMG EXP laners to tank EXP laners (Cici is an exception since she is the only DMG EXP laner who survived the onslaught of the assassin META)
Cici is good because of her hp damage based from her first skill which can counter bull heroes like hylos hilda and can kiting pretty good , most ppl build her defensive items with war axe as core item
Many people still think he is not strong enough, I don't know how to describe it. I just know that the funniest complaint is that Zilong's Ultimate does not give enough Movement Speed. Anyone who would say this must be a Windtalker Simp. Oh yeah, not only some people said that Zilong Ultimate's Movement Speed is not enough, but there are others: Player A: "I think Freya needs Movement Speed Boost when using her Ultimate." Me: "Why don't you use Great Dragon Spear?" Player B: "Why is Argus's pursuit ability so poor?" Me: "Because you don't use Great Dragon Spear lah." Player C: "Zilong can't chase enemies with Sprint." Me: "Just use Great Dragon Spear and get a total of 80% Movement Speed, faster than Sprint." I even doubt whether these players have ever seen Great Dragon Spear. Forget it, let’s not talk about this, let’s say something else: “Just use Inspire, Broken Battle Spell. Why use others when you can use Inspire?” Zilong without Inpsire: "Enemy Legendary!" Zilong with Inspire: "Savage!" If the above is not enough, then pray that they give Zilong a buff that allows him to suppress any random enemy every time he uses Skill 2 on any target.
Who hurt you 💀 Windtalker is great for Zilong, good movement speed, excellent for lane clear. Great Dragon Spear is no way near Windtalker. I'm playing Zilong on Mythical Glory for more than 4y. You probably need to rank up higher to see Great Dragon Spear is not that good on Zilong
Thing is, that 30 damage doesn't get shared equally on his dragon flurry, like 10+ 10+ 10+. EVERY instance of all 3 attacks get 30+ damage, that's pretty significant. Also, the below 50% buff doesn't just apply to enemy heroes. It applies to everything which is pretty cool.
EXP Laners in this current meta need some kind of team fight contribution especially at zoning. Hilda can sustain while destroying enemies' formation while Hylos can tank so much damage and start a team fight using his ultimate. Cici, the only dmg exp laner that survived, can counter tank exp laners through her hp-based damage, can sustain, and can lock two enemies which are really valuable for team fights. Zilong is a pick off EXP laner. Once his skills are used, he can't do anything. He's not Phoveus that can tank dmg and zone five enemies. 😊
Zilong is good but I felt the nerf on his Ultimate. They should just keep his ultimate stats. What I wanted is his ultimate to be buffed (giving him resilience). Zilong: "It would take an army to stop me!" Then get stun by one hero and died.
The "no longer bonus round" hero is had been shamed on by this stigma 😅. But tbh, either you get a good Zilong teammate or a bad Zilong teammate after all so many seasons and revamps. But hey, he's good in pushing lanes which is essential during late game. He's like Sun's counterpart. Someone to watch for during late game.
This makes him somewhat a threat in mid game, while not being as much of a monster in late as before but still a late game monster. And why does zilong still has the mana system in him? I mean removing and not removing it won't make a single problem but it does count as a small buff as theirs no chance of having low mana.
Zilong is kinda all in atk type assasain, it doesn't have lifesteal like dyroth, alucard or def or hp like tank exp. All he has is atk, movement speed and burst dmg.. Burst down squishes in ambush and push turret quickly but nothing else... That is why its not popular... Its simple for newbies but doesn't provide more for experienced players in exp
EXP laners in this meta must be tanky enough to sustain dmg from teamfights. Zilong will be bursted down in clashes before dealing dmg no matter the adjustments, specially in higher ranks.
Its not because of his buff not making him popular,its zilong being heavily outclassed by sustained fighters like ruby,yz,dyroth,khaleed ect even if hes played as a jungler his rotation and lack of mobility isnt enough.
Makesure to target half health enemy , u want your skill 2 to reset asap. Although zilong is a fighter hero but technically, he's still an assassin, so even on full items do try to engage the enemy without cover. Zilong winrate is better when u play him like an assassin than a fighter.
Moontoon should revamp zilong. Very aweful in exp lane. Melee. Cant sustain. And softest DRAGON boy ever created. This hero should be tough as dragon scales. My boy really needs a revamp as strong as yuzhong tier.
Just have moonton nerf those stupid tank exp laners like hylos, gatot, edith, hilda, etc its unfair for pure fighter exp that got indirect nerf over again and again meanwhile moonton keep milking tank exp without even nerfing their damage. Simply its unfair, those tanks are way too tanky, deal decent damage even with a single or no damage build, and a lot easier to use than pure fighters especially hylos
I'll still say it again and again. People wont agree i know. But the main issue is his HP. He is a glass cannon. With amazing damage but horrible hp or defense. In most cases he'll die before he can intlict any damage. Sure he can chase, finish and if you play snake snd camp you can pretty much kill anyone but almost any hero can kill if you are good at camping. zilong is an excellent finisher but most of time he'll die before he can even damage.
It's not that people don't take notice. It's currently the new season. People aren't taking chances in ranks, we'll get the data in probably two weeks. I haven't touch Ranked since usually the first week is the most chaotic ones. I remember I had to play Eudora as a jungler after season reset because we have like 3 mages....
His 30 damage extra on each hit of his 3 hit passive is such a strong early game buff, I literally laughed when i managed to win thamuz before lv 4 somehow with zilong
I'm a one champ Zilong player, but this update is really bad for Zilong. He got 20% attack speed nerf from ultimate in exchange for 30 physical damage and 20 more HP regen. Moonton is making things worse.
Yup, and what more worse than that is they even despised the unpopular hero got pick by other player. I don't know why they follow the "pro" without understanding what "pro" really does.
Hi hororo I'm facing a bug where my controls are not working and my character will go in straight where my joystick was faced and i cannot control my character for sometime but after death or 5-10 sec the bug disappears and I'm tired of it.
I think sylv will be back in the meta. Having rose gold, feather of heaven, starlium scyte, and concentrated energy, she can maximimize the hell out of the rosegold 😂😂
@i_saidmeow2469 yup all thier tactics is baiting me in the tower ... not going to happen ... out of 23 zilongs same thing they do ... zilong is good for roaming and not tanky enough on the exp
@@leon-bk1by Its not, they nerfed his 2nd skill dmg which was completely unnecessary and it also weakens his lane clearing and it no longer affects jg creeps which makes him clearing the lord slower, he also no longer gains hp from non hero units while in ult
@@Berrydelight5 you can stack passive now, he still clears the lord fast with full build, and his ult can give extra dmg. Just give it time and change your playstyle, im sure you will like it.
@leon-bk1by I also forgot to mention he no longer gains malice energy while attacking turrets which makes split pushing Argus weaker. By far I hate this revamp, they made him ult dependent and its such a high cd and the 2nd skill movement speed boost is weaker and the only time u can use the multi slash passive ult is when the enemy is dumb enough to attack you or using tanky heroes
@@RezXNana garbage, only if you don't know how to play. Now the most garbage hero on exp is taken by argus. It's garbage if you just play, copy build, and then just attack recklessly without spacing out just like the other explaner.
@@princevageta4932 Really? I'm a guy who keep spamming Zilong with RGM since RGM revamped. And I lost 0 damage, and has higher chance to survive when diving into turrets.
not good at team fight and weak to cc. if u want to pick off enemy just pick masha, insane burst and better at survival, even immune to most cc when losing hp bar too. masha>zilong.
Not Taking any chances after the season reset. Besides, losing 1v1 to a Layla is demoralizing
Karrie is good this season, give it a try
@@LeBornMajes I'll try!
People are still testing the new changes and experimenting so it's a given that players have not yet realized how good Zilong currently is.
They haven't realize how good it is yet because it's still bad💀💀💀
Fr they give zilong a 30 bonus damage just to remove 20% of his attack speed, moonton can't give zilong something without nerfing something on him
Aulus far better
@@nazmyalsaafin2056 don't forget they buffed rose gold which is now a strong item for Zilong
In the end its still how you play him.
@@nazmyalsaafin2056fr, they are nerfing his aspd by reviewing his performance in adv server where teamplay doesn't exist
I think this is because of how the EXP lane META shifted from DMG EXP laners to tank EXP laners (Cici is an exception since she is the only DMG EXP laner who survived the onslaught of the assassin META)
You can't even play Sustain Exp right know everyone just pick tank
@glitchman1835 That's why Ruby gold or even Phov gold is a must to make DMG-oriented sustain EXP laners like YZ and Lapu work in the current META 😉
@alemansprototypeguy so having two fighter?
@@irsyadia5226 Yup, the jungler will be the late game insurance (Ling or any MM jungler like YSS and Granger are some good examples)
Cici is good because of her hp damage based from her first skill which can counter bull heroes like hylos hilda and can kiting pretty good , most ppl build her defensive items with war axe as core item
Many people still think he is not strong enough, I don't know how to describe it. I just know that the funniest complaint is that Zilong's Ultimate does not give enough Movement Speed. Anyone who would say this must be a Windtalker Simp. Oh yeah, not only some people said that Zilong Ultimate's Movement Speed is not enough, but there are others:
Player A: "I think Freya needs Movement Speed Boost when using her Ultimate."
Me: "Why don't you use Great Dragon Spear?"
Player B: "Why is Argus's pursuit ability so poor?"
Me: "Because you don't use Great Dragon Spear lah."
Player C: "Zilong can't chase enemies with Sprint."
Me: "Just use Great Dragon Spear and get a total of 80% Movement Speed, faster than Sprint."
I even doubt whether these players have ever seen Great Dragon Spear. Forget it, let’s not talk about this, let’s say something else: “Just use Inspire, Broken Battle Spell. Why use others when you can use Inspire?”
Zilong without Inpsire: "Enemy Legendary!"
Zilong with Inspire: "Savage!"
If the above is not enough, then pray that they give Zilong a buff that allows him to suppress any random enemy every time he uses Skill 2 on any target.
😭😂
Yea I also think zilong is a great hero if picked in the right draft.
I'm still mad about Zilong ultimate got nerfed
Who hurt you 💀 Windtalker is great for Zilong, good movement speed, excellent for lane clear. Great Dragon Spear is no way near Windtalker. I'm playing Zilong on Mythical Glory for more than 4y. You probably need to rank up higher to see Great Dragon Spear is not that good on Zilong
@@ShahzLim That was an adjustment to accommodate Rose Gold Meteor.
Thing is, that 30 damage doesn't get shared equally on his dragon flurry, like 10+ 10+ 10+. EVERY instance of all 3 attacks get 30+ damage, that's pretty significant.
Also, the below 50% buff doesn't just apply to enemy heroes. It applies to everything which is pretty cool.
EXP Laners in this current meta need some kind of team fight contribution especially at zoning. Hilda can sustain while destroying enemies' formation while Hylos can tank so much damage and start a team fight using his ultimate. Cici, the only dmg exp laner that survived, can counter tank exp laners through her hp-based damage, can sustain, and can lock two enemies which are really valuable for team fights.
Zilong is a pick off EXP laner. Once his skills are used, he can't do anything. He's not Phoveus that can tank dmg and zone five enemies. 😊
yeah that's why nobody picking zilong, since he can't zone the enemies. no hate for zilong tho
Wym? Just zone them using fear.😂
His skill 2 reset is his skill expression. Imagine him as Arlott, except he can do anything when his skills are off compared to Arlott
zone it using the laughing skin
@i_saidmeow2469except that arlott is tankier than zilong😂
Zilong is good but I felt the nerf on his Ultimate. They should just keep his ultimate stats.
What I wanted is his ultimate to be buffed (giving him resilience).
Zilong: "It would take an army to stop me!" Then get stun by one hero and died.
The "no longer bonus round" hero is had been shamed on by this stigma 😅.
But tbh, either you get a good Zilong teammate or a bad Zilong teammate after all so many seasons and revamps. But hey, he's good in pushing lanes which is essential during late game. He's like Sun's counterpart. Someone to watch for during late game.
This makes him somewhat a threat in mid game, while not being as much of a monster in late as before but still a late game monster.
And why does zilong still has the mana system in him?
I mean removing and not removing it won't make a single problem but it does count as a small buff as theirs no chance of having low mana.
Zilong is kinda all in atk type assasain, it doesn't have lifesteal like dyroth, alucard or def or hp like tank exp. All he has is atk, movement speed and burst dmg.. Burst down squishes in ambush and push turret quickly but nothing else... That is why its not popular... Its simple for newbies but doesn't provide more for experienced players in exp
EXP laners in this meta must be tanky enough to sustain dmg from teamfights. Zilong will be bursted down in clashes before dealing dmg no matter the adjustments, specially in higher ranks.
I always use zilong as burst type and play him like saber, the buff on him us pretty good, try zilong roam with dire hit
Use Zilong as a finisher. Don't ambush full hp enemies with full hp even if you have the damage.
Zilong and argus play style is quite similar but argus is just the better pick for me honestly
Argus can tank 8 seconds before his ultimate goes off. While Zilong cant even last for 2 seconds in late game with too much burst from the distance.
1:24 Saber knew what was coming and he also knew he can't do anything 😅😅
Its not because of his buff not making him popular,its zilong being heavily outclassed by sustained fighters like ruby,yz,dyroth,khaleed ect even if hes played as a jungler his rotation and lack of mobility isnt enough.
Makesure to target half health enemy , u want your skill 2 to reset asap. Although zilong is a fighter hero but technically, he's still an assassin, so even on full items do try to engage the enemy without cover. Zilong winrate is better when u play him like an assassin than a fighter.
Moontoon should revamp zilong. Very aweful in exp lane. Melee. Cant sustain. And softest DRAGON boy ever created. This hero should be tough as dragon scales. My boy really needs a revamp as strong as yuzhong tier.
Just have moonton nerf those stupid tank exp laners like hylos, gatot, edith, hilda, etc its unfair for pure fighter exp that got indirect nerf over again and again meanwhile moonton keep milking tank exp without even nerfing their damage. Simply its unfair, those tanks are way too tanky, deal decent damage even with a single or no damage build, and a lot easier to use than pure fighters especially hylos
Yep, they should nerf tank exp heroes as well as all crit heroes like why they need to be so op yet so easy to use?
If more utility junglers get buffed, maybe we might see the return of DMG EXP laners and the fall of tank EXP laners
@alemansprototypeguy hell naw you want to go back to boring jungle tank meta?
That yz was just...smh...
he is bad
Aulus is very strong now with new meteor
I'll still say it again and again. People wont agree i know. But the main issue is his HP. He is a glass cannon. With amazing damage but horrible hp or defense. In most cases he'll die before he can intlict any damage. Sure he can chase, finish and if you play snake snd camp you can pretty much kill anyone but almost any hero can kill if you are good at camping. zilong is an excellent finisher but most of time he'll die before he can even damage.
It's not that people don't take notice. It's currently the new season. People aren't taking chances in ranks, we'll get the data in probably two weeks. I haven't touch Ranked since usually the first week is the most chaotic ones. I remember I had to play Eudora as a jungler after season reset because we have like 3 mages....
i use him today and holy moly so good
His 30 damage extra on each hit of his 3 hit passive is such a strong early game buff, I literally laughed when i managed to win thamuz before lv 4 somehow with zilong
i'm counting on you
ziling can win 1v1 vs argus if smart enough to play with his ult and 2nd skill
It's fayn, the repertoire of things to do will increase and even then this much is already great
You sounds like CHAT GPT.
Or are you already devoured by Chat GPT since lockdown?
Didn't expect hororo to play him
The plays are clean here.
I'm a one champ Zilong player, but this update is really bad for Zilong. He got 20% attack speed nerf from ultimate in exchange for 30 physical damage and 20 more HP regen. Moonton is making things worse.
Give it some time yo, the update just arrive not a while ago.
prolly cause the pro's haven't used him yet
Yup, and what more worse than that is they even despised the unpopular hero got pick by other player. I don't know why they follow the "pro" without understanding what "pro" really does.
Hi hororo I'm facing a bug where my controls are not working and my character will go in straight where my joystick was faced and i cannot control my character for sometime but after death or 5-10 sec the bug disappears and I'm tired of it.
He is so good, just can't pick him due to people not swallowing their pride to play Roam
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I think sylv will be back in the meta. Having rose gold, feather of heaven, starlium scyte, and concentrated energy, she can maximimize the hell out of the rosegold 😂😂
I think zilong got more than enough attention since helcurt made a combo move with their ults ✋🏻
30 seconds what😮
Moonton need to revamp zilong to sustain 😢
why he not popular ... im clearly demolishing him in exp lane
It's usually noobs that plays him, and that's because they don't know fundamentos and how to trade in-lane
@i_saidmeow2469 yup all thier tactics is baiting me in the tower ... not going to happen ... out of 23 zilongs same thing they do ...
zilong is good for roaming and not tanky enough on the exp
Flicker roam zilong goes crazy rn. Or take him to the jungle. He's not a good xp rn.
At least montoon treat him better than argus
I just used it...the damage is something else
I NEED THAT SKIN (I do have it but ML doesn't have merge account features)
Build?
try gloo bug.....ulti+vengen.......brutal damage
He is my favorite hero
When will hanzo come brooo
Be quiet man! I dont want being chased by this zilong in late game while playing mage or marksman
What skin is this?
No skin
He still feeds most of the time
Meanwhile revamped Argus:
its soooo ass, he barely have enough damage before and its even worse now
Why do yall even hate revamped Argus? It's quite good tbh
@@leon-bk1by Its not, they nerfed his 2nd skill dmg which was completely unnecessary and it also weakens his lane clearing and it no longer affects jg creeps which makes him clearing the lord slower, he also no longer gains hp from non hero units while in ult
@@Berrydelight5 you can stack passive now, he still clears the lord fast with full build, and his ult can give extra dmg. Just give it time and change your playstyle, im sure you will like it.
@leon-bk1by I also forgot to mention he no longer gains malice energy while attacking turrets which makes split pushing Argus weaker. By far I hate this revamp, they made him ult dependent and its such a high cd and the 2nd skill movement speed boost is weaker and the only time u can use the multi slash passive ult is when the enemy is dumb enough to attack you or using tanky heroes
30 damage across all sources is like what 1 item?, does it really Viable even in Late game?
Yes good in early but bad in late as he got -20% attck speed nerf on ult
Just go for Fred or Baxia if enemy goes for Zilong
Don't forget Hylos and Belerick
Badang roam hororo?
Zilong is bunos round 😂😂😂
Wow you're already mythic?
Stronger early game but weaker late game is prob why its not popular
That's not it the reason he was unpopular before is because his early game dmg was too weak so he should be more popular now...
@@noicer-pb8hebruh it is only one part ...the most important part of a fighter is sustain/defense which he lacks
Zilong can 1v1 any hero
I mean any hero
Even freya or dyrroth
Even the tankiest one got melt. Zilong biggest enemy is himself, the adrenaline rush.
@@bintangmaulana2469 bro is even being picked by 500 star players
are you kidding brah? Zilong is the most G4rb4ge exp hero ever exist. Zilong need farm, and you cant farm except you play against Grandmaster
@@RezXNanaplay him in gold🗿
@@RezXNana garbage, only if you don't know how to play. Now the most garbage hero on exp is taken by argus. It's garbage if you just play, copy build, and then just attack recklessly without spacing out just like the other explaner.
my problem is hes still worse than 1v1 exps like argus and sun so i rather play something else
also if he all ins and enemy has windtalker or something else he has no escape so you always need to be giga ahead of enemies
hes good but not meta pick
Dont make Zilong popular so the masses don’t get any funny ideas
Why go Zilong when you can just play Argus?
Yeah you lvl. 10 vs lvl. 7 yuzong that funny. That Yuzong user inded dot have good mechanic
But zilong got riped by buffed badang
I don't much care, cause i play zilong roam tank build with flameshot 😅🔥
The nerf on his atk spd from ult kinda sucks
Rose Gold Meteor exists
@@Argus_Superstorm_777but he is going to miss lot of dmg
@@princevageta4932 Really? I'm a guy who keep spamming Zilong with RGM since RGM revamped. And I lost 0 damage, and has higher chance to survive when diving into turrets.
You will be forced to pick rose gold or great dragon spear@@Argus_Superstorm_777
Try building ATK SPD Trinity and combine it with Rose Gold Meteor and Blade of Heptaseas
If moonton fix zilong real problems he will be good but as is he's totally garbage
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Previous zilong was equally good. Not much of a buff actually😐
Im Kid
not good at team fight and weak to cc. if u want to pick off enemy just pick masha, insane burst and better at survival, even immune to most cc when losing hp bar too. masha>zilong.
Personally if I want burst on EXP lane, Joy is my bet
@alemansprototypeguy also another good character. Probably one of the best for picking off since it does magic damage so mm cant use wand
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I dont think its because people dont think its good, its just that his gameplay is so boring generally..
-sit on bush
-see low hp enemy
-ult chase
-ambushed by a gusion
-cry
Fr
nah maybe its good for jungler but Exp nah its still g4rb4ge. lack of cc, squishy. Edith can easily destroy zilong
I mean to be fair, DMG EXP laners except Cici really have low value currently unless there's a utility jungler or a tanky gold laner standby
All changes is fail haha sun, argus, zilong