With EU5/Project Caesar coming up on it's year anniversary for its initial dev diaries through the Tinto Talks/Tinto Maps I wanted to make a video discussing the setting for EU5 1337. Why was 1337 selected, what makes it different than the settings for EU4 or EU3 and how will that setting impact gameplay and the countries you can choose. Let me know what you guys think about the info we have gotten on Europa Universalis 5 in the comments below! P.S: Let's try to get to 8500 subscribers!
It is not fully confirmed yet. A dev mentioned 1337-1837 in passing in response to a question related to raw materials. So it is possible but not 100% yet (at least to my knowledge). Still it would be pretty sick!
Honestly I like this. As I always felt that colonization began basically immediately after the game started, and an extra century of building up and playing the game without it would be really nice and improve the enjoyment of eventually building a global empire off of what you’ve already done. At least that’s what I think
I think it could be really fun! But I wonder if the game will feel too long, especially if it really is from 1337-1837 and the world is lacking flavor. But we’ll see
@@WonderProductions hopefully they flesh it out as much as eu4. As with the amount of content in eu4 (and I don’t even have all of the DLC’s) the game actually felt too short at least for me
The New World will be interesting. 1444 allowed for reasonable pre-contact assessments on what was happening before European arrival. Going back another 100 years and that gets much more ambiguous.
100% it also may be a bit boring to play in the new world for so long, especially if the devs do not bring enough flavor to the new world in the release of eu5. But we’ll find out I guess 🤷♂️
@@WonderProductions Ideally, a player would be able to usher in the technological advancement to make contact on your terms, as well as actually playing in the region being more fun in general.
@@MyVanir In the Konungs skuggsjá from around 1250, there is written, that the Greenlanders still, two centuries after Eiriksson, regulary travel to Vinland "and other western lands" for wood. ("Því fara þeir í Vínland eða aðrar vestrænar lǫnd til at höggva þar við til byggingar.") So one could easily imagine an event, where the native americans force contact with the last of those norse loggers, at least to gain some tech boni or to uncover parts of the north atlantic.
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The year is now 2359. The new game, release title of "Europa Universalis", development title of "Project Aurelian" encompasses the entirety of time from the Big Bang to the End of Time.
1337 because that makes it even easier for Sweden of course. Otherwise they could have picked another interesting date such as 1356 or 1314 but that wouldn't be as good for Sweden.
1337 is far more interesting than 1356. The golden bull from 1356 were a direct result of the death of the HRE emperor Ludwig IV, which ruled from 1328 to 1342. And the power of this emperor actually resulted in the golden bull, to restrict the power of the "Kaiser", and marked the beginning of the downfall of the HRE. But the Emperor of 1337, Ludwig IV, were perhaps one of the most powerful emperors in all history of the HRE, especially in part of his international global politics and success.
@@aqvamarek5316 That's exactly why 1356 makes more sense. Before that it would make more sense to have the privilegia revoked from day one, which due to eu mechanics would be way too op. And like I said, Sweden is overpowered in 1337, Scandinavia would also be more balanced in 1356.
Yeah! It makes it easier to run ck3 just to 1337 instead of the 1400s which always felt too long for mega campaigns. I really want to see eu5 gameplay though to see how the Europa Universalis series works in the middle/late Middle Ages 🤷♂️
So, we now get a game actually giving us that sweet late medieval/renaissance lore we've missed in CK or EU up until now, plus a lot of cool alt-history scenarios, plus even some more Napoleonic content. I love it 🙌🏻
1337 as the starting year is a prime start date for playing as either Hungary or Poland, in my opinion. Poland is currently ruled by King Kazimierz III (the only Polish king to have the epithet of 'the Great') who is only 4 years into his reign. He improved the lives of the peasantry and curtailed the influence of the nobility and the clergy, even his border and trade policies were so intelligent that the Black Death barely affected Poland. Unfortunately though, he did not have any male heirs and prior in 1338 (only a year after the start date, this is DESTINED to have an even in-game) Kazimierz had signed a treaty with the Hungarian King Charles I, who had his claim supported by the Margrave of Moravia in exchange for convincing Kazimierz to not try to reclaim Silesia (again). The treaty stated that if Kazimierz were to die with no male heirs (which happened in 1370), Charles' son Louis would inherit the Polish throne (this did in fact happen) and Kazimierz confirmed the treaty in 1355 in return for aid against Bohemia and the Teutonic Order. For Poland, this started a chain of events for the next 400 years where the nobility would constantly be vying for control since the very treaty which caused the succession to pass to Louis I was already supported by some Polish nobles. If you were to preserve the Piasts as the ruling dynasty of Poland, Poland could easily remain as a stronger and more independent entity in Mid-Eastern Europe. Opposingly though if as a player you played as Hungary and went for a historical path, you could easily start a historical Golden Age of Hungary (while trying to reform or revert the Golden Bull, which I've heard very poorly affected Hungary in terms of having a strong government). Personally, I'm gonna be playing as Poland and get Kazimierz to get a son while continuing his great reforms, conquering Ruthenia (which happened historically) and also retaking Silesia and potentially Pomerania as well. Before you ask, yes I've thought about this and planned it multiple times before, my eagerness for EU V can no longer be contained.
Really interesting history lesson! I think I really want to play one of the Golden Horde vassal states and try to reconquer Eastern Europe. (When this game comes out, which may be a long way away)
@@WonderProductions Interesting choice, for my second playthrough I'm probably going to do the opposite of that and try to play as a Europe-oriented Golden Horde, I have no clue what this would lead to (maybe something like Tartaria from Ante Bellum?).
Its also an interesting time to play in Japan in that time because its the beginning of the northern vs southern court wars and the rise of ashikaga takaouji who later founds the new shogunate that lasts until the sengoku age
It’s kind of a mix between Vicky 3 and imperator Rome. I almost feel eu5 is like a secret revival of a lot of the imperator mechanics just in a different time period.
I do fear that this will put even less sensitive to play until the end. Eu4 already had problems with people playing longer than 1700 and we start 80 later than Eu5. I mean they tried to fix late game but they never really achieved it. I really hope they find a way to make it harder to mass plob all over the place xd
The way it works now the only realistic way I could see to prevent blobbing would be to make holding more land cost exponentially more until later tech levels making it cost more than its worth
In 1337 Bohemia was ruled by John Luxembourg who along with his entire dynasty had current as well as historically great relations with France, possibly allowing easy alliance if one doesnt historically exist at the start date alredy which Im not sure but is possible since few years later John would die in a battle against english on french side. Bohemia could be junior partner of luxemburg but it will probably be the other way around with Luxembourg being the junior partner instead since Bohemia was where most of John’s power was. He also was a titular king of Poland. The previous king of Bohemia was also briefly king of Hungary and of Poland even though he only ruled for 2 years before he was assasinated. I think because of this Bohemia will be able to almost immidietly declare restoration of union war on both Hungary and Poland. Further more after John Luxembourg Bohemia was taken over by his son Charles IV who was chosen as the next HR emperor in which position he formalised the electoral process for future HR emperors and underwhom it experienced its golden age. In 1373 Charles IV forced ruler of Brandenbourg to abdicate and gave the throne to his son once again giving potential for PU this time by event where it might be done without even going to war. Under his rule Bohemia experienced what is concidered it’s golden age so this year seems like a great start date to play it
Would make sense since the black death is a primary factor for the renaissance, which is what EU should prolly start with, but 1337 is just too juicy of a start date to ignore, so much going on, it's a content cow and it would really be a waste since CK3 would not do 1337 enough justice as it's at the end of it's span and destined to be less important because of that.
i think its entirely for the ERE, with the new systems theyre adding it would be completely impossible to reclaim romes old lands especially with how fucked they were in 1444, and since its such a popular/ mainstream run they straight up picked a date where they are in a state they could actually recover still
As before in EU4, I think this will be the paradox game with the most amount of potential to create an extended timeline mod for, especially if they add more depth to the technology system.
While I'm excited for EU5 I can't help but feel slightly disappointed with the start date. The Europa Universalis games have always been about the early modern period, but moving the start date this early effectively makes EU5 more of a late medieval game. In EU4 probably 90% of my play time is pre 1650, and I don't think that's particularly unusual among EU4 players. If they don't encourage more late-game play with EU5, we'll end up with most campaigns barely making it out of the middle ages.
You may play and get bored before colonization even begins, which is crazy to me. I think they will slowly push the start dates back and back until they can finally bring back imperator lol
I missed an earlier start date. Yes, we all needed a more stable game with great powers always formed and successful, but it became pretty dull fast, so I'm ready for some chaos now.
I agree! Hopefully they do something like hoi4 and you can have historical/non-historical mode/ have game rules to make certain things happen 🤷♂️ (I know we’ll have that at least with some situations like Black Death)
@@thefrenchareharlequins2743 Victoria have a more clear time period. You would obviously assume that a grand strategy game called Victoria would take place in the Victorian Era, right?
I have to say that as a czech person, i am rly excited about it. Charles IV or Karel IV. (czech) is to this day one of the most liked and known rulers of bohemia, he basically made the bohemian kingdom rich and stable after the sort of neglected state after the reign of his father. Btw for those playing ck3, he is son of the (yes i will use czech names) Jan Lucemburský and Eliška Přemyslovna, so his mom is last in the main line of the Premyslid dynasty.
I will say, 1453 felt like such a great start date because suddenly everything is happening. The best part of EU4 was the start, first 100-150 years. After that you’re either way too strong or going too slow to catch up imo. I’ve got about 2K hours in Eu 4 and I STILL have not gotten to the end date. Hopefully 1337 won’t be just ending the game even earlier
I'm worried that the early start date will throw a wrench in my mega-campaign plans- I haven't been able to wrap my brain around EU4, so I have been waiting for EU5 before I started my CK3-EU-Vicky-HOI4 mega campaign. Would this start date cause me any grief, or is it too early to say for certain?
I don’t think so! Ck3 is pretty hard to run till 1444 so 1337 should be more than long enough. However it may take some time to get proper converters for ck3 to eu5
They've talked about how a unit of napoleonic line infantry will be 3600 men per combat width so its defo going to the napoleonic wars, but most likely to 1836 or apparently 1837 (wat)
historically this year is cool ig... but so is any other year if you rly think about it. There are 3 massive issues I have with this start date: 1. Tech: EU as a series is exploring early modern times and the system is built around cannons for a good reason. In 1337 cannons existed ONLY as siege weapons and were still incredibly rare and actually not that useful. So the combat will either have to be made good without cannons (sacrificing flavor for general purpose fitting) or will just be bad for the first 100+ years of game play. 2. Colonization: Again EU's identity and what makes it "different" is colonization and its impact. Except there was no real colonizing until more than 100 years after game start at 1337. So if you planning to go all in on colonization you will have to wait and distract yourself for 100 years. Most campaigns are done before 200 years of game play. So Colonization game play has a change of ending up like the revolution, aka underused and under explored bc is simply comes too late. 3. Politics: 1337 is still deep in medieval times. Nation States and more centralized governments weren't a wide spread thing yet. Effectively you have political landscape that is better suited for Crusader Kings than EU. So again like point 1, we need a trade off. Is the early game gonna suck or the later game? I don't want to be a hater but I think 1337 as a start is missing the point. They hyper focused on finding interesting borders instead of interesting times.
4th point I just found in the comments: New world will have to either just SIT for 150+ years or we will get a sunset invasion every single game, no matter how incompetent the player is.
Really good points! Thanks for the write up it was pretty interesting to read it all laid out like that! We’ll see have it actually ends up when we get gameplay, but fair concerns about 1337
1337, the HRE Emperor were in his peak, and the direct consequence to the power of this Bavarian emperor post his death were the golden bull of 1356 which restricted the power of the emperor, and marks the beginn of the downfall of the HRE. To give a overview about this emperor. 1.) he added Provence into the hre by winning a war vs france 2.) he were part of the starting alliance of the 100-years war, together with england and flandern, to cut down france even more 3.) he granted in 1337 the teutonic order the "crusader" privilege ve Lithuania and Russia, which forced the next 150 years of war in that area. Also, the fan favorite, the hanseatic city league were in it's maximum prime and power under this Emperor. they won a war vs dansk in 1337 and technical totally dismantled the kingdom of dansk and occupied it to 100%
I think they should make a game rule for enabling or disabling Columbian Exchange Pandemics, if enabled the vast majority of Native Americans would collapse, on the other hand if disabled could allow for an easier time for American Natives to be viable. I don't like how strong the natives get in the current EU4, requiring massive direct involvement to stop the giant confederations from forming and curbstomping colonies in their infancy. Definitely would like some customizable options depending on what type of game you want to play.
Yuan china i think will be fun, to see if the mongols can’t colonize Mars essentially branching off to the new world and other continents. I think Iran to will be an interesting area as well, same with bacteria/Afghanistan. Also with the early start date, the levant will be an interesting arena along side the Red Sea. Also Western Africa near Nigeria. When many kingdoms and empires there were still very rich but falling from grace much like the hyper power of yuan, will they collapse or not will be a big question. In Europe, North Africa, and the Mediterranean the 1300s saw a lot of Balkanization. So playing around in these regions like persay the Balkans as an external power will be fun. And with the 100 year war as a power outside the English or French to capitalize as a near by foreign power would be fun. For Western Europe I really want to focus on the Celtic heritage areas and play with the notion of releasing these smaller provinces of Spain, France, Scotland, etc to have a renaissance of bag pipes and kilts and then transitioning to religious reform of earlier hearsay then eventually colonization into other continents and regions to be an interesting play through.
The other countries I was thinking of in n Africa that I think would be fun to play around with as an internal or external power would be former Roman provinces, that have recently been making world news years and years after the Arab springs. Because while Sunni instead of Shia ie the minority branch, we’re the first to break away from the caliphate. Be culturally different from other Muslim groups. Also these countries every few decades go from extremely poor to rich persay like lybia today over the past 75 years this pattern is older than Islam itself. And as more and more rulers, sultans and emperors saw themselves as successors to the Romans or Charlamane. this struggle would soon culminate in a vast struggle after eu5s start date. The 100 years war. And other events made the powers of both the east and west towards Africa. Taking up small footholds. Colonizatiing cities and ports, with the Portuguese projecting themselves as far as near east Asia. Way before the game of Marco Pollo was invented. To be the first to play this sort of game to expand your economy, influence, alliances, cities; fun times: Because many of the cities we know now as sprawling be it Madrid. Or Vienna two of the golden jewels of Europe at this time a hundred years before game start were small forts. Back water villages. Fishing towns. So being the first to develop these sorts of major cities, and ports, small colonies is very appealing. Thousands of miles apart playing the game of high risk high reward is what excites me most about the playing eu5 v eu4
I think it certainly is at the end of ck3 and still squarely in the Middle Ages. That being said at least it is different from the previous two games (1399, 1453 and 1444). I could have seen them do a 1492 start (the year Columbus sailed) but I do think as of now they have done a decent job with 1337 based on the tinto talks. Hopefully paradox can pull it all together for eu5’s release 🤞
Speaking as a historian, I dislike this change. 1337 is still the medieval period; the Pope is in Avignon, the Hundred Years’ War has just begun, the Teutonic Knights haven’t even reached their peak yet. But as a gamer, I like it. 1444 always felt a little too late; I prefer EU3’s 1399 start date, with the Byzantines still a little more than a rump state, the Luxembourg dynasty as Holy Roman Emperor, the overthrow of Richard II, and of course the Papal Schism. There’s a better balance of power at least in Europe for this start date.
While I think that this period is indeed very interesting, I don’t think that it should be part of Europa Universalis. EU is supposed to focus on the Early Modern Era, and having it also encompass a big chunk of the Late Middle Ages could make it difficult to mechanically unite the 1800s and the 1300s into a single game without having to sacrifice too much on the extremes of the timeline (especially the late game). Also, imho it strays just too far into CK territory. I think that the best start date would have been 22 August 1415: it is the day after the Portuguese Conquest of Ceuta, which marked the beginning of the Portuguese Empire and the start of the Age of Exoloration, while 1415 is also one of the most decisive years in the Council of Constance, in which the Counciliarist Movement argued (and almost succeeded) that supreme authority over the Catholic Church should reside with the Ecumenical Council and not with the Bishop of Rome (the pope), which could also be very interesting and have far reaching implications for the religious situation of the next two centuries of the outcome was different
Great take! I think it’s a bit too early but I feel that Europa Universalis 4 was always fun with different European start dates (based on my experience with mode) so I’m cautiously optimistic. That being said we really need to see gameplay to figure out how it’ll actually play
@ I agree, we should wait and see (though it would be best if EU5 did away with having every day as a possible start date and only focused and fleshed out a couple significant ones, since right now the other start dates feel really shallow)
If I don’t get any flavour for Serbia I ain’t buying it. Start date is literally the golden age of Serbia and have seen a signal thing about the nation
I can't wait for this to overpromise and underdeliver. In all seriousness, I'm excited but also not excited for all of this. EU is not a game that's supposed to be so long. I get like 3-4 sessions in just going for Ironman achievements in EU4. Making this like 500 or so and dialing back to the last CK2 bookmark which few people play anyway, just to play when Europe is, while different, the same powers are still powerful or can be powerful within 3 years isn't fun. It's artificially lengthing the game for no benefit. Not to say 1337 isn't an interesting time period, just that this probably isn't it.
I feel that 1337 is a big misstep for EU5, and hope they add a start date in the future closer to previous installments. Colonization is a core mechanic to the Europa Universalis series, and is the primary reason you'd play as nations like Portugal, England, or Spain. It seems like Paradox is actively shooting themselves in the foot here, making pretty much the entire playthrough of the game's most popular and beginner friendly nations start 150 years later.
I mentioned to someone else but I could have seen them go the other direction and do a 1492 start date (Columbus). Hopefully they can pull off the middle to late Middle Ages but the game may just be too long 🤷♂️. We’ll see…
"If you want to play thru black death you need to play game that you don't want to" type of comment bruh not everyone is fan of every paradox production chill
@@thaib2724because you think EU5 will be worth it on launch? Wont wanna touch it for Years because lets be real we all know it'll be empty asf waiting for 3 dozen DLC's for content and mods which brings more flavor than all these DLC's combined. I dont like CK3 prefer CK2 myself, but yea would make more sense to keep the more medieval era to the medieval era game, instead of adding it even more to the modern Era Game
@@WonderProductions*The Byzaboos disliked that*. In all seriousness I don't think it's a great idea to move the clock up. When considering how feature rich EU4 is, the last thing EU5 needs is even less content opportunity and a more restrictive timer. Starting the game earlier means that the game allows for more potential experiences to attract people to EU5 so that EU4s massive content library doesn't overshadow it (Something that has historically been a massive problem for Paradox: See CK3 and CS2)
@@WonderProductions Emperor Stefan Dušan died age 47 and the empire started to collapse. If his death and the collapse isn't scripted, Serbia could do the Lazarus achievement pretty often 🦾
i think this decision has a massive potential to ruin the game, europa universales is meant to be the game of the early modern era, but the devs aparently want to insert 100 years of ck3 content, i really dont think is necesary,it will just make runs to end way earlier, in eu4 most runs already end at some point of the 1600's, now you will barely able to enjoy colonization and probably wont experience musket armies.
@@WonderProductions i think it has it cool things but it will get us very very away from what makes the EM era THE EM era. i think paradox should REALLY but an effort in start dates for this game.
@@-helpergamming-4163I do agree with you but thing is with how CK3 works the game becomes unbearable after 100 in game years of play. Most runs of CK3 start at between year 800 to 1100 almost never reaching the actual end of the games.
On the contrary with the culture conversion, I feel like EU4 has a huge problem with downplaying various atrocities throughout its runtime (Slavery being reduced to a trade good being the most egregious example)
With EU5/Project Caesar coming up on it's year anniversary for its initial dev diaries through the Tinto Talks/Tinto Maps I wanted to make a video discussing the setting for EU5 1337. Why was 1337 selected, what makes it different than the settings for EU4 or EU3 and how will that setting impact gameplay and the countries you can choose. Let me know what you guys think about the info we have gotten on Europa Universalis 5 in the comments below!
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Its confirmed that the end date is 1837... So we will get an extra 100 years of playtime
It is not fully confirmed yet. A dev mentioned 1337-1837 in passing in response to a question related to raw materials. So it is possible but not 100% yet (at least to my knowledge). Still it would be pretty sick!
That being said it would line up perfectly with Vicky 3 then…
@@WonderProductions And Johan himself said the game would take about 500 years some months ago, so the dates match which the other Dev said recently
They have confirmed that it's 1837 indeed
Could you send me the link to that! I just couldn’t find it :(
Honestly I like this. As I always felt that colonization began basically immediately after the game started, and an extra century of building up and playing the game without it would be really nice and improve the enjoyment of eventually building a global empire off of what you’ve already done. At least that’s what I think
I think it could be really fun! But I wonder if the game will feel too long, especially if it really is from 1337-1837 and the world is lacking flavor. But we’ll see
@@WonderProductions hopefully they flesh it out as much as eu4. As with the amount of content in eu4 (and I don’t even have all of the DLC’s) the game actually felt too short at least for me
The New World will be interesting. 1444 allowed for reasonable pre-contact assessments on what was happening before European arrival. Going back another 100 years and that gets much more ambiguous.
100% it also may be a bit boring to play in the new world for so long, especially if the devs do not bring enough flavor to the new world in the release of eu5. But we’ll find out I guess 🤷♂️
@@WonderProductions they will for sure not bring it at the release probably they will add content in dlc
@@WonderProductions Ideally, a player would be able to usher in the technological advancement to make contact on your terms, as well as actually playing in the region being more fun in general.
@@MyVanirTechnological advancement is impossible if you are isolated on a continent whose civilization is still in the Bronze Age.
@@MyVanir In the Konungs skuggsjá from around 1250, there is written, that the Greenlanders still, two centuries after Eiriksson, regulary travel to Vinland "and other western lands" for wood. ("Því fara þeir í Vínland eða aðrar vestrænar lǫnd til at höggva þar við til byggingar.") So one could easily imagine an event, where the native americans force contact with the last of those norse loggers, at least to gain some tech boni or to uncover parts of the north atlantic.
The year 2055. The new game, alleged project Romulus, is speculated to be Europa Universalis 7, set between the Dark Ages and WW1, basically uniting CK, EU, and Vic franchises into one
Rumors are circulating that Paradox Interactive intends to create the ultimate game from the beginning of civilization up to the year 2000 by the end of the 21st century
Johan is just trying to sneakily revive Imperator Rome, don't get it twisted lol
The year is now 2359. The new game, release title of "Europa Universalis", development title of "Project Aurelian" encompasses the entirety of time from the Big Bang to the End of Time.
Now that would be a "civ killer".
Because it's the funny LEET number
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Kids these days don't know the swag of 1337.
I learnt through Henry stickmin lol
Its how I remember when the 100 years war began
@@beaub152 The 1337est of wars.
1337 because that makes it even easier for Sweden of course. Otherwise they could have picked another interesting date such as 1356 or 1314 but that wouldn't be as good for Sweden.
lol, Johan we are on to you 👀
1337 is far more interesting than 1356.
The golden bull from 1356 were a direct result of the death of the HRE emperor Ludwig IV, which ruled from 1328 to 1342. And the power of this emperor actually resulted in the golden bull, to restrict the power of the "Kaiser", and marked the beginning of the downfall of the HRE.
But the Emperor of 1337, Ludwig IV, were perhaps one of the most powerful emperors in all history of the HRE, especially in part of his international global politics and success.
@@aqvamarek5316 That's exactly why 1356 makes more sense. Before that it would make more sense to have the privilegia revoked from day one, which due to eu mechanics would be way too op.
And like I said, Sweden is overpowered in 1337, Scandinavia would also be more balanced in 1356.
Great video, quick and information dense, liked and subbed 🎉
Thank you Pauh! Hopefully the game now can live up to expectations but we’ll see 😅
This will also be good for megacampaigns as (assuming) the ottomans will be able to conquer the byzantines which they often don’t in ck3
Yeah! It makes it easier to run ck3 just to 1337 instead of the 1400s which always felt too long for mega campaigns. I really want to see eu5 gameplay though to see how the Europa Universalis series works in the middle/late Middle Ages 🤷♂️
So, we now get a game actually giving us that sweet late medieval/renaissance lore we've missed in CK or EU up until now, plus a lot of cool alt-history scenarios, plus even some more Napoleonic content. I love it 🙌🏻
I really do love it, but with it being so large and probably hard to run each game will take 300 hours lol
1337 as the starting year is a prime start date for playing as either Hungary or Poland, in my opinion. Poland is currently ruled by King Kazimierz III (the only Polish king to have the epithet of 'the Great') who is only 4 years into his reign. He improved the lives of the peasantry and curtailed the influence of the nobility and the clergy, even his border and trade policies were so intelligent that the Black Death barely affected Poland. Unfortunately though, he did not have any male heirs and prior in 1338 (only a year after the start date, this is DESTINED to have an even in-game) Kazimierz had signed a treaty with the Hungarian King Charles I, who had his claim supported by the Margrave of Moravia in exchange for convincing Kazimierz to not try to reclaim Silesia (again). The treaty stated that if Kazimierz were to die with no male heirs (which happened in 1370), Charles' son Louis would inherit the Polish throne (this did in fact happen) and Kazimierz confirmed the treaty in 1355 in return for aid against Bohemia and the Teutonic Order.
For Poland, this started a chain of events for the next 400 years where the nobility would constantly be vying for control since the very treaty which caused the succession to pass to Louis I was already supported by some Polish nobles. If you were to preserve the Piasts as the ruling dynasty of Poland, Poland could easily remain as a stronger and more independent entity in Mid-Eastern Europe. Opposingly though if as a player you played as Hungary and went for a historical path, you could easily start a historical Golden Age of Hungary (while trying to reform or revert the Golden Bull, which I've heard very poorly affected Hungary in terms of having a strong government).
Personally, I'm gonna be playing as Poland and get Kazimierz to get a son while continuing his great reforms, conquering Ruthenia (which happened historically) and also retaking Silesia and potentially Pomerania as well. Before you ask, yes I've thought about this and planned it multiple times before, my eagerness for EU V can no longer be contained.
Really interesting history lesson! I think I really want to play one of the Golden Horde vassal states and try to reconquer Eastern Europe. (When this game comes out, which may be a long way away)
The Golden Bull of 1222 accelerated the process of Hungary’s royal counties transforming into autonomous noble counties. I’d say it checks out.
Yes, Hungary was the largest producer of gold and the second largest producer of silver at this time
@@WonderProductions Interesting choice, for my second playthrough I'm probably going to do the opposite of that and try to play as a Europe-oriented Golden Horde, I have no clue what this would lead to (maybe something like Tartaria from Ante Bellum?).
1337 is a start date for ck2
It is a playable date but it was not really developed like the dlc and 1066 start dates
Its also an interesting time to play in Japan in that time because its the beginning of the northern vs southern court wars and the rise of ashikaga takaouji who later founds the new shogunate that lasts until the sengoku age
Hopefully they can make it work right with the special mechanics for daiymos (the extraterritorial countries building thingy)
I hope they keep the Eu4 map ui instead of the Victoria 3 one as they show in the sneakpeeks
It’s kind of a mix between Vicky 3 and imperator Rome. I almost feel eu5 is like a secret revival of a lot of the imperator mechanics just in a different time period.
@@WonderProductions oh no
I do fear that this will put even less sensitive to play until the end. Eu4 already had problems with people playing longer than 1700 and we start 80 later than Eu5. I mean they tried to fix late game but they never really achieved it. I really hope they find a way to make it harder to mass plob all over the place xd
Yeah, I could imagine in some playthrough I may even quit before I reach colonization xD
The way it works now the only realistic way I could see to prevent blobbing would be to make holding more land cost exponentially more until later tech levels making it cost more than its worth
It seems a bit too early to have the Jolof Empire on the map.
Paradox is just freestyling at this point lol
With how much Paradox hates Ming, I think they’ll still give a Yuan ruler a title portrait, ignoring Ming again lol
lol, they won’t have yuan collapse is what they’ll do, like how the old timurids and Ming used to be before they got flavor
In 1337 Bohemia was ruled by John Luxembourg who along with his entire dynasty had current as well as historically great relations with France, possibly allowing easy alliance if one doesnt historically exist at the start date alredy which Im not sure but is possible since few years later John would die in a battle against english on french side. Bohemia could be junior partner of luxemburg but it will probably be the other way around with Luxembourg being the junior partner instead since Bohemia was where most of John’s power was. He also was a titular king of Poland. The previous king of Bohemia was also briefly king of Hungary and of Poland even though he only ruled for 2 years before he was assasinated. I think because of this Bohemia will be able to almost immidietly declare restoration of union war on both Hungary and Poland. Further more after John Luxembourg Bohemia was taken over by his son Charles IV who was chosen as the next HR emperor in which position he formalised the electoral process for future HR emperors and underwhom it experienced its golden age. In 1373 Charles IV forced ruler of Brandenbourg to abdicate and gave the throne to his son once again giving potential for PU this time by event where it might be done without even going to war. Under his rule Bohemia experienced what is concidered it’s golden age so this year seems like a great start date to play it
Thanks for the history lesson! Pretty cool info!
Honestly I feel like this is too early of a start date. I think it should start after the black death
Lot's of people floated 1356, but it's too late for that now (maybe a future dlc...)
Would make sense since the black death is a primary factor for the renaissance, which is what EU should prolly start with, but 1337 is just too juicy of a start date to ignore, so much going on, it's a content cow and it would really be a waste since CK3 would not do 1337 enough justice as it's at the end of it's span and destined to be less important because of that.
i think its entirely for the ERE, with the new systems theyre adding it would be completely impossible to reclaim romes old lands especially with how fucked they were in 1444, and since its such a popular/ mainstream run they straight up picked a date where they are in a state they could actually recover still
But the ERE is cool 🥺
As before in EU4, I think this will be the paradox game with the most amount of potential to create an extended timeline mod for, especially if they add more depth to the technology system.
I wonder if it will have fixed start dates like ck3 though (unlike eu4 and ck2) and if so how a modder would offer more than several scenarios 🤷♂️
1337? Thats epic and very leet
Elite time 👀
While I'm excited for EU5 I can't help but feel slightly disappointed with the start date. The Europa Universalis games have always been about the early modern period, but moving the start date this early effectively makes EU5 more of a late medieval game.
In EU4 probably 90% of my play time is pre 1650, and I don't think that's particularly unusual among EU4 players. If they don't encourage more late-game play with EU5, we'll end up with most campaigns barely making it out of the middle ages.
You may play and get bored before colonization even begins, which is crazy to me. I think they will slowly push the start dates back and back until they can finally bring back imperator lol
I got a good laugh out of 1337, thanks!
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I missed an earlier start date. Yes, we all needed a more stable game with great powers always formed and successful, but it became pretty dull fast, so I'm ready for some chaos now.
I agree! Hopefully they do something like hoi4 and you can have historical/non-historical mode/ have game rules to make certain things happen 🤷♂️ (I know we’ll have that at least with some situations like Black Death)
@WonderProductions 100%. More settings never hurt.
As long as we see a 1700 start date for Vicky 4!
There may not be a Vicky 4… (Vicky 3 will never end development… we may get armies added then removed then added then removed forever 🫥)
Nah, it's call Victoria for a reason. You can't really go earlier than the person in the title.
@@Hu_Li Well I don't think Europe was really universal before the 1400s but that's not stopping us here
@@thefrenchareharlequins2743 Victoria have a more clear time period. You would obviously assume that a grand strategy game called Victoria would take place in the Victorian Era, right?
@@Hu_Li Evidently I ought also assume that it takes place through the edwardian and interwar periods
if there ever will be a EU6, I want the start date to be in 1185. I think that is a interesting time period to start in.
If there is ever a EU7 I want the start date to be 1066, that’s definitely a fun time period 😆
@@WonderProductions Agreed.
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I have to say that as a czech person, i am rly excited about it. Charles IV or Karel IV. (czech) is to this day one of the most liked and known rulers of bohemia, he basically made the bohemian kingdom rich and stable after the sort of neglected state after the reign of his father. Btw for those playing ck3, he is son of the (yes i will use czech names) Jan Lucemburský and Eliška Přemyslovna, so his mom is last in the main line of the Premyslid dynasty.
Czech/Bohemian domination of the HRE time 👀
I will say, 1453 felt like such a great start date because suddenly everything is happening. The best part of EU4 was the start, first 100-150 years. After that you’re either way too strong or going too slow to catch up imo. I’ve got about 2K hours in Eu 4 and I STILL have not gotten to the end date. Hopefully 1337 won’t be just ending the game even earlier
EU5 will mean you play 150 years and get boarded before colonization even starts… it’ll just be ck3 on steroids 👀
I'm worried that the early start date will throw a wrench in my mega-campaign plans- I haven't been able to wrap my brain around EU4, so I have been waiting for EU5 before I started my CK3-EU-Vicky-HOI4 mega campaign. Would this start date cause me any grief, or is it too early to say for certain?
I don’t think so! Ck3 is pretty hard to run till 1444 so 1337 should be more than long enough. However it may take some time to get proper converters for ck3 to eu5
They've talked about how a unit of napoleonic line infantry will be 3600 men per combat width so its defo going to the napoleonic wars, but most likely to 1836 or apparently 1837 (wat)
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historically this year is cool ig... but so is any other year if you rly think about it.
There are 3 massive issues I have with this start date:
1. Tech: EU as a series is exploring early modern times and the system is built around cannons for a good reason. In 1337 cannons existed ONLY as siege weapons and were still incredibly rare and actually not that useful. So the combat will either have to be made good without cannons (sacrificing flavor for general purpose fitting) or will just be bad for the first 100+ years of game play.
2. Colonization: Again EU's identity and what makes it "different" is colonization and its impact. Except there was no real colonizing until more than 100 years after game start at 1337. So if you planning to go all in on colonization you will have to wait and distract yourself for 100 years. Most campaigns are done before 200 years of game play. So Colonization game play has a change of ending up like the revolution, aka underused and under explored bc is simply comes too late.
3. Politics: 1337 is still deep in medieval times. Nation States and more centralized governments weren't a wide spread thing yet. Effectively you have political landscape that is better suited for Crusader Kings than EU. So again like point 1, we need a trade off. Is the early game gonna suck or the later game?
I don't want to be a hater but I think 1337 as a start is missing the point. They hyper focused on finding interesting borders instead of interesting times.
4th point I just found in the comments: New world will have to either just SIT for 150+ years or we will get a sunset invasion every single game, no matter how incompetent the player is.
Really good points! Thanks for the write up it was pretty interesting to read it all laid out like that! We’ll see have it actually ends up when we get gameplay, but fair concerns about 1337
1337, the HRE Emperor were in his peak, and the direct consequence to the power of this Bavarian emperor post his death were the golden bull of 1356 which restricted the power of the emperor, and marks the beginn of the downfall of the HRE.
To give a overview about this emperor.
1.) he added Provence into the hre by winning a war vs france
2.) he were part of the starting alliance of the 100-years war, together with england and flandern, to cut down france even more
3.) he granted in 1337 the teutonic order the "crusader" privilege ve Lithuania and Russia, which forced the next 150 years of war in that area.
Also, the fan favorite, the hanseatic city league were in it's maximum prime and power under this Emperor.
they won a war vs dansk in 1337 and technical totally dismantled the kingdom of dansk and occupied it to 100%
I think they should make a game rule for enabling or disabling Columbian Exchange Pandemics, if enabled the vast majority of Native Americans would collapse, on the other hand if disabled could allow for an easier time for American Natives to be viable. I don't like how strong the natives get in the current EU4, requiring massive direct involvement to stop the giant confederations from forming and curbstomping colonies in their infancy. Definitely would like some customizable options depending on what type of game you want to play.
Yes! I think they should make game rules like ck3 also so we can really modify how the world goes!
It will also give non-Euro nations more time to get it together before Spain shows up
However, I feel it may be extremely boring to play in certain areas, especially without flavor :(
Yuan china i think will be fun, to see if the mongols can’t colonize Mars essentially branching off to the new world and other continents. I think Iran to will be an interesting area as well, same with bacteria/Afghanistan. Also with the early start date, the levant will be an interesting arena along side the Red Sea. Also Western Africa near Nigeria. When many kingdoms and empires there were still very rich but falling from grace much like the hyper power of yuan, will they collapse or not will be a big question. In Europe, North Africa, and the Mediterranean the 1300s saw a lot of Balkanization. So playing around in these regions like persay the Balkans as an external power will be fun. And with the 100 year war as a power outside the English or French to capitalize as a near by foreign power would be fun.
For Western Europe I really want to focus on the Celtic heritage areas and play with the notion of releasing these smaller provinces of Spain, France, Scotland, etc to have a renaissance of bag pipes and kilts and then transitioning to religious reform of earlier hearsay then eventually colonization into other continents and regions to be an interesting play through.
The other countries I was thinking of in n Africa that I think would be fun to play around with as an internal or external power would be former Roman provinces, that have recently been making world news years and years after the Arab springs. Because while Sunni instead of Shia ie the minority branch, we’re the first to break away from the caliphate. Be culturally different from other Muslim groups. Also these countries every few decades go from extremely poor to rich persay like lybia today over the past 75 years this pattern is older than Islam itself. And as more and more rulers, sultans and emperors saw themselves as successors to the Romans or Charlamane. this struggle would soon culminate in a vast struggle after eu5s start date. The 100 years war. And other events made the powers of both the east and west towards Africa. Taking up small footholds. Colonizatiing cities and ports, with the Portuguese projecting themselves as far as near east Asia. Way before the game of Marco Pollo was invented.
To be the first to play this sort of game to expand your economy, influence, alliances, cities; fun times:
Because many of the cities we know now as sprawling be it Madrid. Or Vienna two of the golden jewels of Europe at this time a hundred years before game start were small forts. Back water villages. Fishing towns. So being the first to develop these sorts of major cities, and ports, small colonies is very appealing. Thousands of miles apart playing the game of high risk high reward is what excites me most about the playing eu5 v eu4
I am excited for the game, but fearful of all the DLC
The beauty and the dread of paradox lol
Because M.E.I.O.U. I will not elaborath further.
W take
Middle East is over used?
A big thing is that its not guaranteed you'll get the Ottoman Empire every game. It should make playing in Anatolia a bit more interesting
Also looking forward to see how they model the timurids rapid rise and fall
can you release it early
I can certainly try 😅, let me go and ask paradox right now… it seems Johan didn’t pick up :(
@@WonderProductions ;(((
I don't like it, 1337 is too close to CK3
I think it certainly is at the end of ck3 and still squarely in the Middle Ages. That being said at least it is different from the previous two games (1399, 1453 and 1444). I could have seen them do a 1492 start (the year Columbus sailed) but I do think as of now they have done a decent job with 1337 based on the tinto talks. Hopefully paradox can pull it all together for eu5’s release 🤞
1356 would be better
@@Sirvalianidk, i like the start date. If i had sole discretion i would just nudge it to 1341
Speaking as a historian, I dislike this change. 1337 is still the medieval period; the Pope is in Avignon, the Hundred Years’ War has just begun, the Teutonic Knights haven’t even reached their peak yet.
But as a gamer, I like it. 1444 always felt a little too late; I prefer EU3’s 1399 start date, with the Byzantines still a little more than a rump state, the Luxembourg dynasty as Holy Roman Emperor, the overthrow of Richard II, and of course the Papal Schism. There’s a better balance of power at least in Europe for this start date.
The one thing I am worried about is how far back colonization is, but honestly I have faith in Johan 🤞
While I think that this period is indeed very interesting, I don’t think that it should be part of Europa Universalis. EU is supposed to focus on the Early Modern Era, and having it also encompass a big chunk of the Late Middle Ages could make it difficult to mechanically unite the 1800s and the 1300s into a single game without having to sacrifice too much on the extremes of the timeline (especially the late game). Also, imho it strays just too far into CK territory.
I think that the best start date would have been 22 August 1415: it is the day after the Portuguese Conquest of Ceuta, which marked the beginning of the Portuguese Empire and the start of the Age of Exoloration, while 1415 is also one of the most decisive years in the Council of Constance, in which the Counciliarist Movement argued (and almost succeeded) that supreme authority over the Catholic Church should reside with the Ecumenical Council and not with the Bishop of Rome (the pope), which could also be very interesting and have far reaching implications for the religious situation of the next two centuries of the outcome was different
Great take! I think it’s a bit too early but I feel that Europa Universalis 4 was always fun with different European start dates (based on my experience with mode) so I’m cautiously optimistic. That being said we really need to see gameplay to figure out how it’ll actually play
@ I agree, we should wait and see (though it would be best if EU5 did away with having every day as a possible start date and only focused and fleshed out a couple significant ones, since right now the other start dates feel really shallow)
Hoping that there’s more representation for indigenous groups in North and South America
Yes! At least they are doing societies of pops which should be an interesting mechanic (if they flesh it out properly)
Goated Lubeck time 😏
W’s in the chat 👀
If I don’t get any flavour for Serbia I ain’t buying it. Start date is literally the golden age of Serbia and have seen a signal thing about the nation
Luckily they are doing new dev diaries called “Tinto Flavor” does maybe it’ll talk about Serbia!
Johan has said that one of his favorites countries to play in EU5 is Serbia
I can't wait for this to overpromise and underdeliver.
In all seriousness, I'm excited but also not excited for all of this. EU is not a game that's supposed to be so long. I get like 3-4 sessions in just going for Ironman achievements in EU4. Making this like 500 or so and dialing back to the last CK2 bookmark which few people play anyway, just to play when Europe is, while different, the same powers are still powerful or can be powerful within 3 years isn't fun. It's artificially lengthing the game for no benefit. Not to say 1337 isn't an interesting time period, just that this probably isn't it.
I really can’t wait to see gameplay, but we’ll see. At least the map is beautiful 😅
@@WonderProductionsThe gameplay does sound nice. Not picking it up immediately, though.
When is the Release Date???
It has not been made official yet, but I would imagine late 2025 or early 2026.
Why not?
Why not why?
3:27 you know what else is massive?
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low taper fade
Can’t wait for Angevin Empire 2.
Me too :)
Looks great but there’s zero chance all of this will be given as flavour in the game at release.
Don’t worry after dlc 10 it’ll be half there!
there will probably be references to most of them and some content, but they will with 100% certainty get reworked.
1+3+3+7=14. 1+4=5
EU5
Quick maths
1337 is much to early, honestly 1444 was already a very early start date. But this?! It is just weird!
Let’s just do 0 and make it a 1800 year long game lol
because its leet
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Could you talk any faster?
Yeah, this was my slow mode :)
I feel that 1337 is a big misstep for EU5, and hope they add a start date in the future closer to previous installments. Colonization is a core mechanic to the Europa Universalis series, and is the primary reason you'd play as nations like Portugal, England, or Spain. It seems like Paradox is actively shooting themselves in the foot here, making pretty much the entire playthrough of the game's most popular and beginner friendly nations start 150 years later.
Don’t worry you may burn out on your individual eu5 game before colonization even starts 💯
I don't like the new art style, thats for sure
That’s how I feel about ck3 and vic3 😞
black death should be CK's exclusive. It's disappointing to see 1337 be a start date, hopefully they'll have something to make up.
I mentioned to someone else but I could have seen them go the other direction and do a 1492 start date (Columbus). Hopefully they can pull off the middle to late Middle Ages but the game may just be too long 🤷♂️. We’ll see…
"Ck3 isn't canon"
-Tinto talks developers
"If you want to play thru black death you need to play game that you don't want to" type of comment bruh not everyone is fan of every paradox production chill
@@thaib2724because you think EU5 will be worth it on launch? Wont wanna touch it for Years because lets be real we all know it'll be empty asf waiting for 3 dozen DLC's for content and mods which brings more flavor than all these DLC's combined.
I dont like CK3 prefer CK2 myself, but yea would make more sense to keep the more medieval era to the medieval era game, instead of adding it even more to the modern Era Game
@@WonderProductions*The Byzaboos disliked that*.
In all seriousness I don't think it's a great idea to move the clock up. When considering how feature rich EU4 is, the last thing EU5 needs is even less content opportunity and a more restrictive timer. Starting the game earlier means that the game allows for more potential experiences to attract people to EU5 so that EU4s massive content library doesn't overshadow it (Something that has historically been a massive problem for Paradox: See CK3 and CS2)
DIDNT TALK ABOUT THE STRONGEST COUNTRY ON PLANET SERBIA 💪💪💪💪
No ottomans for 50 or so years 👀, Serbia stronk time??
@WonderProductions even ai Serbia will cook them 🦅🇷🇸🇷🇸
@@WonderProductions Emperor Stefan Dušan died age 47 and the empire started to collapse. If his death and the collapse isn't scripted, Serbia could do the Lazarus achievement pretty often 🦾
Nah, Hungary 🇭🇺💪🏻
@@kuro1132 Hungary is not in the Balkans my guy. You do you and we'll do us. Deal? Deal
i think this decision has a massive potential to ruin the game, europa universales is meant to be the game of the early modern era, but the devs aparently want to insert 100 years of ck3 content, i really dont think is necesary,it will just make runs to end way earlier, in eu4 most runs already end at some point of the 1600's, now you will barely able to enjoy colonization and probably wont experience musket armies.
We’ll see, I am concerned how long the game will be but I do think the setting is cool even if it isn’t a traditional time period for Europa
@@WonderProductions i think it has it cool things but it will get us very very away from what makes the EM era THE EM era.
i think paradox should REALLY but an effort in start dates for this game.
EU3 had a 1399 start date.
@@feelsbradman6793 idk i arent that old
@@-helpergamming-4163I do agree with you but thing is with how CK3 works the game becomes unbearable after 100 in game years of play.
Most runs of CK3 start at between year 800 to 1100 almost never reaching the actual end of the games.
I can’t wait to pirate this game
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Same
Atrocious audio editing
😝, I try my best
eu5 is stupid game
Do we really know yet…
@WonderProductions first is eu5 therefore it should be a more easy game but it isnt more bs
I hope EU V has more gays and historically accurate black people in Europe and less of racist stuff like culture conversion.
We’ll see, I wonder if paradox will talk about it in a dev diary.
Nice joke XD (that not mean between)
Yeah where are the Bohemian Black HRE emperors. Clearly not in Kingdom Come Deliverance because Naz1s made that game
don't fuck with the game
On the contrary with the culture conversion, I feel like EU4 has a huge problem with downplaying various atrocities throughout its runtime (Slavery being reduced to a trade good being the most egregious example)
3:27 you know what else is massive?
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@@WonderProductionsLOOOOOOWWWWWWW TAPPPPEEEERRRRR FAAAAADDDDEEEE!